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This isn't a cartoon or a comic, it's supposed to pass as live-action, they are meant to be turtles. How do you explain how their shells work design-wise. I highly doubt the designers actually took the time to study real turtles, it seems more they looked at TMNT designs only and worked on that. Cause a turtle shell can not be separated like the PD turtles have them. A turtles shell is their ribcage and spine fused together covered in scutes. There is no room for caving in on their sides, and then have overlapping intercostal muscles over the ribs. And yes, all designs that lacks a clear shell bridge as well as high defined muscles are bad. Unless they re-work the entire shell structure to make it into something different, and the only example I can think of that did that is Zulli's designs, as he reworked the turtles shell anatomy completely, and not just giving the plastron a bodybuilder muscle effect. Last edited by Candy Kappa; 05-20-2014 at 05:32 PM. |
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Larger size ha been dinner before, ripped huge muscles had been done before, the more "realistic" look has been done before, clothing has been done before, Yes you can say you prefer other versions but this new look is nothing we haven't seen in some way shape or form before, Quote:
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The first live-action turtles had the shell bridge and that worked fine. The shell just doesn't look connected on the PD Turtles, it looks fake and just hangs there with no real attachment besides being a backpack. And the lack of shell bridges wouldn't make the turtles any more able to bend their backs, the carapace is still a part of their spine and ribcage. Removing the bridges and add skin and muscles between the plastron and carapace just makes it more implausible then the concept of TMNT already is, but also not possible within the context of a bipedal turtle. Last edited by Candy Kappa; 05-20-2014 at 05:50 PM. |
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To be it doesn't look at all like its just "hanging" there it attached to the back. It just to me looks more accurate and more realistic for a turtle Henry to be much now flexible while still retaining it routes of being a turtle
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Why does it look more realistic, when the shell isn't anything remotely close to any turtles and is an impossibility. Especially when there are such thing as turtles with a more flexible shell, an entire family of turtles: Trionychidae. And they still have their shell bridges, cause the shell bridge isn't some weird attachment that can just be removed, it is a part of the turtle's ribcage, the ribcage of a turtle is a part of the shell. |
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The suits with segmented shells were for the stunt performers to allow a bit more ease of movement. These are full body, animatronic, costumes we're talking about. In this new film, the turtles are 100% CGI. There is NO need to take the actor into account (i'm not even getting into possible likenesses in the turtles faces to the actors portraying them) when the ENTIRE turtle we'll see on screen is created in a computer. Donnie's proton pack and multiple sets of head phones, Mikey's shell necklace and shades, Leo's armor.....EVERYTHING is drawn digitally in a computer.
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Also, another Chelonia with a flexible shell, the Pancake Tortoise. It got openings between the bony plates to add flexibility. AND a flexible bridge.
Boom. I probably spent more research time looking up the softshells, hinge-backs and pancakes then the creature designers did when making these designs. |
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Those hard-working people (the crew, VFX artists and cast) already got paid. The only people who would be punished by a movie under-performing would be the studio executives.
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There's been some versions where the TMNT don't have shell-bridges, or what ever it's called. That doesn't mean it's not okay to dislike it due to personal taste... but there's no point in arguing too hard-core about it. It's creatures that's basically turtle anatomy mixed with human anatomy, it doesn't have to be 100% faithful in either direction. Some varying blends is interesting and some will off course hit our own personal tastes better then others, it's only natural. (I'm slightly bias to the new version... I don't mind the lacking shell-bridge that much, reminds me of the 2k3 series which is one of my fave looks for them)
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EDIT______ But I agree with Sam. Unless they want rubbery flexible shells that don't look real, the shell and plastron needed to be re-thought for the sake of mobility. The Nick turtles bend all willy-nilly, nobody really cares. But in live-action, people would call foul. Regular people, not just us.
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i think there is a difference between lips and noses added to a face
and completely changing "someones"/ "somethings" bone structure in favor of looks i can ignore the faces but the missing shell piece still bothers the crap out of me its like removing someones rib cage
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We're talking about shells in this thread when we could be talking about this:
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are you just posting to get a rise out of people now?
anyways i gotta admit i love how groot looks..rocket too but groot look amazing to me
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The whole "misfit crooks with the chance to do good" thing has been done to death. But so has the typical superhero story. The characters are part of why those stories can be told a hundred times, and these guys look like fun. This kind of story would almost never interest me. But I'll see it.
Plus, I'm somebody who can't skip a Marvel movie for fear of missing something important...
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my apologies, never said you couldnt voice an opinion but you gave a blunt statement with no reasoning why also i haven't belittled the movie, infact i've given many points i do like,and explained in detail why i don't like certain things..but since i seem to be not someone who prises this thing till i'm blue in the face i am a hater..hence why i don't really post here any more BUT ANYWAYS: dont care wont respond to after this ...excited for this movie, will see both, been saying that since the start, but compared to what i have seen i have to agree and say i think GOTG won the month
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Still amuses me that they literally showed Rocket adjusting his crotch... in a movie trailer of all things :p
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