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Old 08-10-2014, 09:24 PM   #21
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For that matter, why did it take so long to mutate them in the first place?
Speed is dependent on what subject is used, I guess.
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Old 08-10-2014, 09:27 PM   #22
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what i understood it as:

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sacks and aprils father were messing with the mutagen, because it had "healing properties" and an antidote could be refined from it but her father found out about sacks working with shredder, so he burned the place down. the mutagen was destroyed, minus what was in the turtles and splinter which i thought was the raw mutagen, not the antidote, explaining their mutation. the mutagen wasnt the cure, it could be made into a cure.

as for shredder, releasing the toxin, from what i remember, sacks said that it would kill off a decent amount of the population over time. this would make it easier for the shredder and foot to take over, and the people that remained would buy the cure from sacks, so hed become rich.


from sacks dialogue this is what i got
This makes sense, because April said in her lab video that the ooze was supposed to be from another planet in outer space. Meaning Sacks and O'Neil didn't make it. They got it from Utroms or something. Whatever experiments they were doing to create an antidote was derivative of the ooze.

Plus, when they extracting the mutagen from the turtles, Sacks ran off with the first canister, and took it to the lab in NYC. He was working with it when April and Vern found him. So he was running some second process. And, being the only canister around, it's what they took home to Splinter.
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Old 08-10-2014, 09:29 PM   #23
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though they were using the raw mutagen now, and they even used the raw mutagen on splinter, which should have mutated him further...
they told april to bring it to him if they didnt come back, as it may be able to cure him. but they didnt end up with the mutagen. shredder had it at the end. donnie helped splinter recover

when i see the movie again, ill look for the line im thinking of, where sacks said something about how they were working with the mutagen or something and because her dad destroyed everything he couldnt recreate the cure without the mutagen, implying that the mutagen is only part of it

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And, being the only canister around, it's what they took home to Splinter.
i honestly thought that they did not have any mutagen at the end. when shredder fell, it was in his belt, and the cannister broke, hence it on his finger. the only way they couldve gotten it is if they took if from shredder on the ground, which i dont think because he was surrounded by people. but maybe i missed something
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Old 08-10-2014, 09:32 PM   #24
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Hm, april's dad ruining the place and stuff makes me think he might be hamato yoshi in a new body, so perhaps splinter is him and april's dad?

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Old 08-10-2014, 09:46 PM   #25
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Hm, april's dad turning the place upside down makes me think he might have been hamato yoshi in a new body, so perhaps splinter is him and april's dad?
Oh brother. So, they white washed Yoshi too?
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Old 08-10-2014, 09:57 PM   #26
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Oh brother. So, they white washed Yoshi too?
You didn't see the movie? It was just something that came from my mind.
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Old 08-10-2014, 10:00 PM   #27
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Oh brother. So, they white washed Yoshi too?
first, no, just thinking. second there is no "too"? shredder was not sacks in this movie. whether he was at one point or not is irrelevant, because in the movie, shredder is asian
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Old 08-10-2014, 10:14 PM   #28
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This part of the plan actually does make sense. When they were testing it on the turtles, they testing it as a cure, not to mutate them. The mutation had side effects that they never expected. Plus, we don't know how it would effect the humans. Maybe the side effect doesn't happen to humans. Remember, this isn't the same mutagen as the previous incarnations.
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Old 08-10-2014, 10:52 PM   #29
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first, no, just thinking. second there is no "too"? shredder was not sacks in this movie. whether he was at one point or not is irrelevant, because in the movie, shredder is asian
Funny thing is, I don't care either way, but the fact that the movie was butchered so bad to try and cover up the whole Sachs is Shredder, it's something they never should have come up with in the first place.
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Old 08-10-2014, 11:45 PM   #30
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Funny thing is, I don't care either way, but the fact that the movie was butchered so bad to try and cover up the whole Sachs is Shredder, it's something they never should have come up with in the first place.
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Because of way too many mid-production changes, re-writes, and re-shoots to try and react to test groups and online reactions.

They should have stuck with Sacks attempting to create "heroes" (really to make super soldiers for his own criminal empire), becoming the Shredder and after they saw backlash they could have simply added some scenes at the end with Oroku Saki arriving in New York to restore the Foot Clan to its proper position as a ninja clan since Sacks had dishonored it, etc, etc.

I'm not entirely sure the poison/mutagen cure was the original intent. Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't. Just seems weird to piece together how they planned this out.

I think they made a mess with how they tried to shoe horn their script in different directions late in the game.
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Old 08-11-2014, 01:13 AM   #32
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Well it seemed like his plan in the original was to just steal electronics and make money. Doesn't really seem like something the leader of a noble ninja clan would do. I've never thought shredder ever had good plans.
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Well it seemed like his plan in the original was to just steal electronics and make money. Doesn't really seem like something the leader of a noble ninja clan would do. I've never thought shredder ever had good plans.
Well in the original there was no real plan besides run the city with a massive crimewave..... and he was successful until April and the Turtles got involved. I mean not every plan has to involve destroying the city or ruling the world. Shredder already succeeded in his plan, he was robbing the city blind uncontested.

It's like asking what's the Kingpin's plan. There isn't any. He's the friggin Kingpin. Whatever he did to become the Kingpin, he already did it, therefore he already succeeded in his plans.
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The plan was essentially to poison all of New York. Eric Sach's would then proclaim his company has a cure for the disease and you had to pony up a lot of money for the cure. If you couldn't afford it, you were screwed.

But of course realistically it would have to be tested and approved by the FDA before it can be administered. So even if you had the money for the medication, you could still die before you were able to get your hands on it.
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Well we really don't know if the virus killed the guy. We just see him fall on the floor and rash appear on his body. We do know it has the potential to kill because of Eric Sachs comment about the death toll being large. But he also mentions that NY would be under a quarantine and will need his cure, which the government will give him money for it. The money then will help build Shredder empire. The reason why Shredder is doing what he is doing is to rebuild the foot clan to its ancient dominant statis. Shredder to Kari, " The foot clan will rise again. We will reclaim victory." Sachs tell april about an ancient war lord who poisoned the water supply, and an Alchemist who purified the water. Pretty much telling april his scheme, but making himself look like the good guy. Sure it is pretty cliche, but pretty realistic. Ancient warlords just wanted power. If Shredder is a traditional Japanese war lord, there is no reason to give him a deeper reason for world domination. If he is something more then they just left it out for sequel building blocks.
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Well we really don't know if the virus killed the guy. We just see him fall on the floor and rash appear on his body. We do know it has the potential to kill because of Eric Sachs comment about the death toll being large. But he also mentions that NY would be under a quarantine and will need his cure, which the government will give him money for it. The money then will help build Shredder empire. The reason why Shredder is doing what he is doing is to rebuild the foot clan to its ancient dominant statis. Shredder to Kari, " The foot clan will rise again. We will reclaim victory." Sachs tell april about an ancient war lord who poisoned the water supply, and an Alchemist who purified the water. Pretty much telling april his scheme, but making himself look like the good guy. Sure it is pretty cliche, but pretty realistic. Ancient warlords just wanted power. If Shredder is a traditional Japanese war lord, there is no reason to give him a deeper reason for world domination. If he is something more then they just left it out for sequel building blocks.
Thanks artist, I feel a bit better now that you pointed out that shredder wanted to take over new york by going down that path, earlier on I felt like saki was made to look like second in command with the tower bit and believed that it was only sacks who was for the plan.
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Thanks artist, I feel a bit better now that you pointed out that shredder wanted to take over new york by going down that path, earlier on I felt like saki was made to look like second in command with the tower bit and believed that it was only sacks who was for his plan.
Ya I have watched the movie 4 times already ha and you catch little things the more you watch it. The first time It did seem that Sachs was holding all the cards. But knowing what Shredder wants to rebuild the foot clan to what it was helps iron out the Shredder being the card holder.
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What makes this version of shredder interesting is his lack of reaction to the notion of a mutated rat and turtles. He treat's the idea of them as no big deal, his silence says it all, it's like he's seen creatures from earth like that before.
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What makes this version of shredder interesting is his lack of reaction to the notion of a mutated rat and turtles. He treat's the idea of them as no big deal, his silence says it all, it's like he's seen creatures from earth like that before.
Ha its like, hey your in my way like all this other crap, so buy buy now. He really is so dominating in this version. Might be Utrom Shredder still. My sister in law said she noticed his stomach area kinda opening and closing. She never has even heard of Utrom shredder. He also said, Tonight I dine on turtle soup. I almost cried with exitment
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Ha its like, hey your in my way like all this other crap, so buy buy now. He really is so dominating in this version. Might be Utrom Shredder still. My sister in law said she noticed his stomach area kinda opening and closing. She never has even heard of Utrom shredder. He also said, Tonight I dine on turtle soup. I almost cried with exitment
If he was an alien we would have seen his alien form, and if he was I would have been disappointed.
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