Shredder's dumbass plan... *spoilers* - Page 2

ScrewtheMirageTMNT · 08-10-2014, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by IndigoErth

For that matter, why did it take so long to mutate them in the first place?

Speed is dependent on what subject is used, I guess.

*chrisdude* · 08-10-2014, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ElectricN

what i understood it as:

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from sacks dialogue this is what i got

This makes sense, because April said in her lab video that the ooze was supposed to be from another planet in outer space. Meaning Sacks and O'Neil didn't make it. They got it from Utroms or something. Whatever experiments they were doing to create an antidote was derivative of the ooze.

Plus, when they extracting the mutagen from the turtles, Sacks ran off with the first canister, and took it to the lab in NYC. He was working with it when April and Vern found him. So he was running some second process. And, being the only canister around, it's what they took home to Splinter.

*Electric* · 08-10-2014, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

though they were using the raw mutagen now, and they even used the raw mutagen on splinter, which should have mutated him further...

they told april to bring it to him if they didnt come back, as it may be able to cure him. but they didnt end up with the mutagen. shredder had it at the end. donnie helped splinter recover

when i see the movie again, ill look for the line im thinking of, where sacks said something about how they were working with the mutagen or something and because her dad destroyed everything he couldnt recreate the cure without the mutagen, implying that the mutagen is only part of it

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Originally Posted by chrisdude

And, being the only canister around, it's what they took home to Splinter.

i honestly thought that they did not have any mutagen at the end. when shredder fell, it was in his belt, and the cannister broke, hence it on his finger. the only way they couldve gotten it is if they took if from shredder on the ground, which i dont think because he was surrounded by people. but maybe i missed something

ScrewtheMirageTMNT · 08-10-2014, 09:32 PM

Hm, april's dad ruining the place and stuff makes me think he might be hamato yoshi in a new body, so perhaps splinter is him and april's dad?

*Warhorse* · 08-10-2014, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ScrewtheMirageTMNT

Hm, april's dad turning the place upside down makes me think he might have been hamato yoshi in a new body, so perhaps splinter is him and april's dad?

Oh brother. So, they white washed Yoshi too?

ScrewtheMirageTMNT · 08-10-2014, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Warhorse

Oh brother. So, they white washed Yoshi too?

You didn't see the movie? It was just something that came from my mind.

*Electric* · 08-10-2014, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Warhorse

Oh brother. So, they white washed Yoshi too?

first, no, just thinking. second there is no "too"? shredder was not sacks in this movie. whether he was at one point or not is irrelevant, because in the movie, shredder is asian

TerranigmaFreak · 08-10-2014, 10:14 PM

This part of the plan actually does make sense. When they were testing it on the turtles, they testing it as a cure, not to mutate them. The mutation had side effects that they never expected. Plus, we don't know how it would effect the humans. Maybe the side effect doesn't happen to humans. Remember, this isn't the same mutagen as the previous incarnations.

*Warhorse* · 08-10-2014, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ElectricN

first, no, just thinking. second there is no "too"? shredder was not sacks in this movie. whether he was at one point or not is irrelevant, because in the movie, shredder is asian

Funny thing is, I don't care either way, but the fact that the movie was butchered so bad to try and cover up the whole Sachs is Shredder, it's something they never should have come up with in the first place.

*Electric* · 08-10-2014, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Warhorse

Funny thing is, I don't care either way, but the fact that the movie was butchered so bad to try and cover up the whole Sachs is Shredder, it's something they never should have come up with in the first place.

discussion for one of the numerous other threads my friend

SwiftNinjaFox · 08-10-2014, 11:48 PM

Because of way too many mid-production changes, re-writes, and re-shoots to try and react to test groups and online reactions.

They should have stuck with Sacks attempting to create "heroes" (really to make super soldiers for his own criminal empire), becoming the Shredder and after they saw backlash they could have simply added some scenes at the end with Oroku Saki arriving in New York to restore the Foot Clan to its proper position as a ninja clan since Sacks had dishonored it, etc, etc.

I'm not entirely sure the poison/mutagen cure was the original intent. Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't. Just seems weird to piece together how they planned this out.

I think they made a mess with how they tried to shoe horn their script in different directions late in the game.

Jose Canseco · 08-11-2014, 01:13 AM

Well it seemed like his plan in the original was to just steal electronics and make money. Doesn't really seem like something the leader of a noble ninja clan would do. I've never thought shredder ever had good plans.

*Coola Yagami* · 08-11-2014, 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Jose Canseco

Well it seemed like his plan in the original was to just steal electronics and make money. Doesn't really seem like something the leader of a noble ninja clan would do. I've never thought shredder ever had good plans.

Well in the original there was no real plan besides run the city with a massive crimewave..... and he was successful until April and the Turtles got involved. I mean not every plan has to involve destroying the city or ruling the world. Shredder already succeeded in his plan, he was robbing the city blind uncontested.

It's like asking what's the Kingpin's plan. There isn't any. He's the friggin Kingpin. Whatever he did to become the Kingpin, he already did it, therefore he already succeeded in his plans.

*victory_angel* · 08-11-2014, 01:55 AM

The plan was essentially to poison all of New York. Eric Sach's would then proclaim his company has a cure for the disease and you had to pony up a lot of money for the cure. If you couldn't afford it, you were screwed.

But of course realistically it would have to be tested and approved by the FDA before it can be administered. So even if you had the money for the medication, you could still die before you were able to get your hands on it.

Artist · 08-11-2014, 03:18 AM

Well we really don't know if the virus killed the guy. We just see him fall on the floor and rash appear on his body. We do know it has the potential to kill because of Eric Sachs comment about the death toll being large. But he also mentions that NY would be under a quarantine and will need his cure, which the government will give him money for it. The money then will help build Shredder empire. The reason why Shredder is doing what he is doing is to rebuild the foot clan to its ancient dominant statis. Shredder to Kari, " The foot clan will rise again. We will reclaim victory." Sachs tell april about an ancient war lord who poisoned the water supply, and an Alchemist who purified the water. Pretty much telling april his scheme, but making himself look like the good guy. Sure it is pretty cliche, but pretty realistic. Ancient warlords just wanted power. If Shredder is a traditional Japanese war lord, there is no reason to give him a deeper reason for world domination. If he is something more then they just left it out for sequel building blocks.

ScrewtheMirageTMNT · 08-11-2014, 03:24 AM

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Well we really don't know if the virus killed the guy. We just see him fall on the floor and rash appear on his body. We do know it has the potential to kill because of Eric Sachs comment about the death toll being large. But he also mentions that NY would be under a quarantine and will need his cure, which the government will give him money for it. The money then will help build Shredder empire. The reason why Shredder is doing what he is doing is to rebuild the foot clan to its ancient dominant statis. Shredder to Kari, " The foot clan will rise again. We will reclaim victory." Sachs tell april about an ancient war lord who poisoned the water supply, and an Alchemist who purified the water. Pretty much telling april his scheme, but making himself look like the good guy. Sure it is pretty cliche, but pretty realistic. Ancient warlords just wanted power. If Shredder is a traditional Japanese war lord, there is no reason to give him a deeper reason for world domination. If he is something more then they just left it out for sequel building blocks.

Thanks artist, I feel a bit better now that you pointed out that shredder wanted to take over new york by going down that path, earlier on I felt like saki was made to look like second in command with the tower bit and believed that it was only sacks who was for the plan.

Artist · 08-11-2014, 03:29 AM

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Originally Posted by ScrewtheMirageTMNT

Thanks artist, I feel a bit better now that you pointed out that shredder wanted to take over new york by going down that path, earlier on I felt like saki was made to look like second in command with the tower bit and believed that it was only sacks who was for his plan.

Ya I have watched the movie 4 times already ha and you catch little things the more you watch it. The first time It did seem that Sachs was holding all the cards. But knowing what Shredder wants to rebuild the foot clan to what it was helps iron out the Shredder being the card holder.

ScrewtheMirageTMNT · 08-11-2014, 03:35 AM

What makes this version of shredder interesting is his lack of reaction to the notion of a mutated rat and turtles. He treat's the idea of them as no big deal, his silence says it all, it's like he's seen creatures from earth like that before.

Artist · 08-11-2014, 04:15 AM

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Originally Posted by ScrewtheMirageTMNT

What makes this version of shredder interesting is his lack of reaction to the notion of a mutated rat and turtles. He treat's the idea of them as no big deal, his silence says it all, it's like he's seen creatures from earth like that before.

Ha its like, hey your in my way like all this other crap, so buy buy now. He really is so dominating in this version. Might be Utrom Shredder still. My sister in law said she noticed his stomach area kinda opening and closing. She never has even heard of Utrom shredder. He also said, Tonight I dine on turtle soup. I almost cried with exitment

ScrewtheMirageTMNT · 08-11-2014, 04:20 AM

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Ha its like, hey your in my way like all this other crap, so buy buy now. He really is so dominating in this version. Might be Utrom Shredder still. My sister in law said she noticed his stomach area kinda opening and closing. She never has even heard of Utrom shredder. He also said, Tonight I dine on turtle soup. I almost cried with exitment

If he was an alien we would have seen his alien form, and if he was I would have been disappointed.

08-10-2014, 09:32 PM	#24
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08-10-2014, 10:14 PM	#28
TerranigmaFreak Stone Warrior Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 715	This part of the plan actually does make sense. When they were testing it on the turtles, they testing it as a cure, not to mutate them. The mutation had side effects that they never expected. Plus, we don't know how it would effect the humans. Maybe the side effect doesn't happen to humans. Remember, this isn't the same mutagen as the previous incarnations. __________________ First footage of the new R rated TMNT movie.

08-10-2014, 11:48 PM	#31
SwiftNinjaFox Stone Warrior Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Texas Posts: 924	Because of way too many mid-production changes, re-writes, and re-shoots to try and react to test groups and online reactions. They should have stuck with Sacks attempting to create "heroes" (really to make super soldiers for his own criminal empire), becoming the Shredder and after they saw backlash they could have simply added some scenes at the end with Oroku Saki arriving in New York to restore the Foot Clan to its proper position as a ninja clan since Sacks had dishonored it, etc, etc. I'm not entirely sure the poison/mutagen cure was the original intent. Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't. Just seems weird to piece together how they planned this out. I think they made a mess with how they tried to shoe horn their script in different directions late in the game. __________________ Ninja Fox Games & Geekery: http://ninjafoxgames..com/

08-11-2014, 01:55 AM	#34
victory_angel Foot Elite Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Ca Posts: 3,108	The plan was essentially to poison all of New York. Eric Sach's would then proclaim his company has a cure for the disease and you had to pony up a lot of money for the cure. If you couldn't afford it, you were screwed. But of course realistically it would have to be tested and approved by the FDA before it can be administered. So even if you had the money for the medication, you could still die before you were able to get your hands on it. __________________

08-11-2014, 01:13 AM	#32
Jose Canseco Mouser Join Date: Aug 2014 Posts: 13	Well it seemed like his plan in the original was to just steal electronics and make money. Doesn't really seem like something the leader of a noble ninja clan would do. I've never thought shredder ever had good plans.

08-11-2014, 03:18 AM	#35
Artist Thug Join Date: May 2014 Location: NM Burque Posts: 93	Well we really don't know if the virus killed the guy. We just see him fall on the floor and rash appear on his body. We do know it has the potential to kill because of Eric Sachs comment about the death toll being large. But he also mentions that NY would be under a quarantine and will need his cure, which the government will give him money for it. The money then will help build Shredder empire. The reason why Shredder is doing what he is doing is to rebuild the foot clan to its ancient dominant statis. Shredder to Kari, " The foot clan will rise again. We will reclaim victory." Sachs tell april about an ancient war lord who poisoned the water supply, and an Alchemist who purified the water. Pretty much telling april his scheme, but making himself look like the good guy. Sure it is pretty cliche, but pretty realistic. Ancient warlords just wanted power. If Shredder is a traditional Japanese war lord, there is no reason to give him a deeper reason for world domination. If he is something more then they just left it out for sequel building blocks.

08-11-2014, 03:35 AM	#38
ScrewtheMirageTMNT Hench Mutant Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 493	What makes this version of shredder interesting is his lack of reaction to the notion of a mutated rat and turtles. He treat's the idea of them as no big deal, his silence says it all, it's like he's seen creatures from earth like that before.