New Smash Bros for 3ds and Wii U

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

He has some unique moves. If you want to research it, you can go to Smashboards or type in, "Is Lucas a Ness clone?" on google and read the discussions.

You're right. Strictly speaking, no one in Brawl was an exact clone.

But I consider someone to be a clone, though, if their moveset is so similar to that of another character that they appear to be clones until their moveset is closely examined.

Which is why I consider Lucas and Wolf to be clones.

[Cure]

Originally Posted by TheSkeletonMan939

But I consider someone to be a clone, though, if their moveset is so similar to that of another character that they appear to be clones until their moveset is closely examined.

Again, if only SOME people saw it this way. Because this is how it should be to people with common sense.

[Ninjinister]

O'right, so, I've been looking through this, and this is what we've had and what we're getting as of the leak.

Super Smash Bros. (1999)
Nothing to lose, all to gain. 12 characters.

Super Smash Bros. Melee
Again, nothing to lose. All 12 originals return, plus 13/14 more: Bowser, Falco, Marth, Mr. Game & Watch, Mewtwo, Roy, Young Link, Dr. Mario, Pichu, Zelda/Sheik, Ganondorf, Ice Climbers, Peach

Super Smash Bros. Brawl

• Lost 5 - Mewtwo, Roy, Young Link, Dr. Mario, Pichu
• Gained 15/16 Diddy Kong, Ike, Dedede, Lucario, Lucas, Meta-Knight, Olimar, Pit, Pokémon Trainer, R.O.B., Snake, Sonic, Toon Link, Wario, and Wolf (and Zero Suit Samus)

Super Smash Bros. (2014)

• Lost 5 - Ice Climbers, Lucas, Snake, Wolf, Pokémon Trainer
• Zero Suit Samus and Sheik are now 100% their own characters. No more debate!
• Regained Dr. Mario, who skipped Brawl! Welcome back, Doc!
• Gaining 14 - Rosalina, Bowser Jr., Palutena, Robin, Charizard, Greninja, Duck Hunt, Villager, Wii Fit Trainer, Dark Pit, Lucina, Shulk, Pac-Man, and Mega Man
• We get Miis to play with too!

[CyberCubed]

We lost 6 from Brawl, since Squirtle and Ivysaur are two seperate characters with unique movesets. The Pokemon trainer itself was not a playable character.

[Netkeeper]

Speaking as someone who mained Wolf, I'm not really hurt by his loss, but I can't help but wonder why he was included in Brawl only to get cut next game. I mean, it's clear that Shulk was included to net some extra sales when his game comes out on that new 3DS, and Lucas was included because of Mother 3 [lmao we still didn't get that one, Nintendo clearly hates Mother fans] so it kinda makes sense that he was cut. But Wolf wasn't hyping up anything. Guess Sakurai just wanted to cut down on the clone count again? But it wouldn't make sense to include Dr. Mario in that case...

[Candy Kappa]

I'll miss Snake, but he isn't exactly a Nintendo character or as relevant as PAC-Man and Sonic.

And my main usually is Mario.

[Ninjinister]

I'm sure like any game, cuts and additions are no snap judgment. Plus as indicated before, Sakurai's not the only one on the team. It's like everyone blaming or crediting Boon/Ono/Harada exclusively for roster changes when in reality these men work with the other designers to figure out what's best for the game. They just get the final say at the end of the day, being the project leads.

That said, I was convinced that we'd lose a lot more from Brawl than just five characters, so that's pretty good in my book. And like Melee to Brawl, there seems to be a clone exchange happening, dropping Lucas and Wolf for Lucina, Dark Pit, and the return of Dr. Mario. But, I feel it's unlikely that they shooed anyone out of the roster specifically to place someone else in. It's almost guaranteed to be way more complicated than that.

[CyberCubed]

I've kinda lost a lot of hype for the new Smash after the disappointing character reveals. All the characters I like are in Brawl, and only 5 newcomers (Megaman, Pacman, Little Mac, and Palutena and Roslina) really interest me. I feel this is the dullest set of newcombers otherwise.

I might just skip the 3DS version and wait for the Wii-U, especially since the 3DS one also has a crap level select choices, with half the levels re-used from Melee or Brawl.

I honestly wish the 3DS version never existed due to the cutting of Ice Climbers and the wasted development time. I know why they made it (its likely to outsell the Wii-U version 2:1), but its bad for the series. Why Sakurai is purposely ignoring the last remaining Nintendo all-stars (Ridley, Dixie, another Zelda rep), and going for obscure characters and anime-ish RPG characters is beyond me.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

I might just skip the 3DS version and wait for the Wii-U, especially since the 3DS one also has a crap level select choices, with half the levels re-used from Melee or Brawl.

Proof?

Why Sakurai is purposely ignoring the last remaining Nintendo all-stars (Ridley, Dixie, another Zelda rep), and going for obscure characters and anime-ish RPG characters is beyond me.

Since when are Ridley, Dixie, and "another Zelda rep" Nintendo all-stars?

[Cure]

Man, just let him be. Maybe he'll go away since he's not as hyped.

[CyberCubed]

I'll probably stop talking about Smash once the final roster is revealed, we're in the home run stretch now since the Japanese release is in a little over a week.

[Turo602]

My only complaint would be the loss of Snake, especially since they managed to get what I'd consider to be the last 2 Smash Brosable icons on the roster. Hopefully it's true that he'll be DLC but other than that, I don't understand how anyone cannot be pumped for this game. It still looks extremely fun. I guess some people were only looking forward to this game because of a small handful of characters?...

[Peanut]

Originally Posted by Ninjinister

That said, I was convinced that we'd lose a lot more from Brawl than just five characters, so that's pretty good in my book. And like Melee to Brawl, there seems to be a clone exchange happening, dropping Lucas and Wolf for Lucina, Dark Pit, and the return of Dr. Mario. But, I feel it's unlikely that they shooed anyone out of the roster specifically to place someone else in. It's almost guaranteed to be way more complicated than that.

What is this grounded and resonable BULLSH*T!? Don't you know it's simply ignorance on the behalf of Sakurai that led to all these inclusions that aren't to my specific tastes!? If Dark Pit and Dr. Mario weren't in we'd have Ridley and Dixie! Ridiculous!

[CyberCubed]

I hope that rumor of Bowser Jr's alts being the 7 Koopalings turns out to be true. Given they only have to animate the top half of their bodies (since they'll all be in the Koopa Clown Car), its not that farfetched.

I don't care for Bowser Jr. himself, but the Koopa Clown Car looks amazing and I'd like to use the other Koopalings in it.

Bowser Jr. is the one newcomer I never expected to like, since before the leak I assumed he would just be a clone of Bowser just quicker and speedier to use. But that Koopa Clown Car has won me over, I keep watching those poorly leaked videos I can't wait for an official trailer of it.

[CyberCubed]

So Dark Samus and Dark Link are alternate costumes yet Dark Pit is his own character? Such bias, Sakurai.

[Zachatello00]

All I know is, I want the controller in my signature like, now

[CyberCubed]

So there's a Smash 3DS event going on in Japan right now and info is coming up on Smashboards, 2ch, and neogaf.

- Alph from Pikmin 3 is an alt costume for Olimar, and his name changes when you select him.

- Fierce Deity Link is an alt costume for adult Link

- Toon Link has his pajama's from the beginning of Wind Waker as his alt costume.

- Peach has fire peach as a costume from 3D World

Someone also said "Wolf" is a costume for Starfox, but they may be confusing that with the Dark Fox costume that Brawl had. I'm not sure what to think about this, I'd prefer Wolf being a full alt for Fox than seeing his character cut.

If the latter is true its possible Lucas might be an alt costume for Ness as well instead of getting cut, I hope more info comes soon.

[TheBlueTurtle1]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

So there's a Smash 3DS event going on in Japan right now and info is coming up on Smashboards, 2ch, and neogaf.

- Alph from Pikmin 3 is an alt costume for Olimar, and his name changes when you select him.

- Fierce Deity Link is an alt costume for adult Link

- Toon Link has his pajama's from the beginning of Wind Waker as his alt costume.

- Peach has fire peach as a costume from 3D World

Someone also said "Wolf" is a costume for Starfox, but they may be confusing that with the Dark Fox costume that Brawl had. I'm not sure what to think about this, I'd prefer Wolf being a full alt for Fox than seeing his character cut.

If the latter is true its possible Lucas might be an alt costume for Ness as well instead of getting cut, I hope more info comes soon.

I am having such bad network issues so, its been hard for me to check. Thanks for the info. Wolf deserves so much more than being an alt for Fox. So does Alph. If we get a clone I would rather have Alph than Dark pit.

Link in outset island cloths very happy with that, and Majora's Mask getting some love with the Fierce Deity.

[Peanut]

Originally Posted by TheBlueTurtle1

Wolf deserves so much more than being an alt for Fox. So does Alph.

Both of those statements are...woof.

[Ninjinister]

I want it to be out right now so in a few months' time I won't have to endure all of this bellyaching over non-issues anymore.