TMNT Season 3 Official Info Thread

[Warhorse]

Originally Posted by ninja-zero

Actually in the movie, Raphael didn't knock April unconscious at the subway, it was a Foot Ninja.

Or did I read the post wrong. I'm sorry.

I never said anything about the movie. In the last episode of the 2012 show, Invasion 1 and 2, Raph goes into one of his berserk modes. Donnie sees it coming and already steps back out of harms way, Mikey stays a bit behind to Raph's left, and April who was in front, doesn't realize what is about to happen and she gets elbowed in the side by Raph and shoved pretty hard. Mikey's quick reflexes help catch her before she flew into a wall or fell down. This would be the first time Raph actually got physically harmful with April, and the first time she has seen his true temper come to surface. It's bound to leave a lasting impact on her, especially considering her best human friend now, happens to be best friends with Raph. She might be having second thoughts next time they go out on an adventure, afraid Raph might go nuts again.

[TurtleTitan97]

Originally Posted by Warhorse

I never said anything about the movie. In the last episode of the 2012 show, Invasion 1 and 2, Raph goes into one of his berserk modes. Donnie sees it coming and already steps back out of harms way, Mikey stays a bit behind to Raph's left, and April who was in front, doesn't realize what is about to happen and she gets elbowed in the side by Raph and shoved pretty hard. Mikey's quick reflexes help catch her before she flew into a wall or fell down. This would be the first time Raph actually got physically harmful with April, and the first time she has seen his true temper come to surface. It's bound to leave a lasting impact on her, especially considering her best human friend now, happens to be best friends with Raph. She might be having second thoughts next time they go out on an adventure, afraid Raph might go nuts again.

But it's not like he intentionally tried to harm her. He was just super angry over angry over what happened to Splinter. I'm sure April would understand, considering she's lost her father three times now.

[Warhorse]

Originally Posted by ssjup81

Actually, I thought it was Mikey that worried her during that time in the comics, not Raph because he was very unlike himself.

This is what I read on Mirage fan page. Mikey worries her, but Raph scares her.

http://tmntentity.blogspot.com/2011/...-vol-1-11.html

April claims that she has become frightened of Raphael and actively avoids him wherever possible. He has taken to disappearing to parts unknown for most of the day and night, with his only bit of socializing being time spent with Casey. Up on the roof of the barn, beneath a full moon, Raph actively stands guard over the farm.

I would love to see this unravel in the show. Another note, now that they are going to April's vacation home, maybe we will finally get some character development and know more about her instead of just the chick that is being used as the rope in a game of tug and war between Donnie and Casey.

Originally Posted by Ramboraph4life aka Matt

So Raph already has barely anything to do for his character (arc-wise/etc.) and (in my opinion) he's appeared weak (or at least not that essential to the stories, etc.).

And now, in the first episode, he gets himself captured?

Wow, that's a great start for him in the new season

What, will he appear even more weak and Mikey or Casey (or both) have to save his sorry shell? And make him seem even more useless?

I have to see the episode to understand it in context, but I know what you mean, it seems Raph fans can't get the Raph we deserve. I'm just hoping, for once, since we seen Raph yell at Shredder in a fist of rage, screaming at him "YOU MONSTER!" and the visual of Leo being down and Splinter as well. Perhaps, for once, we will get to see Raphael be the one to beat the living fu^&*#ck out of Shredder instead of the usual Leo. I'd like to hope they are saving Raphael's best stories for last.

[Electric]

Originally Posted by Ramboraph4life aka Matt

So Raph already has barely anything to do for his character (arc-wise/etc.) and (in my opinion) he's appeared weak (or at least not that essential to the stories, etc.).

And now, in the first episode, he gets himself captured?

Wow, that's a great start for him in the new season

What, will he appear even more weak and Mikey or Casey (or both) have to save his sorry shell? And make him seem even more useless?

As least Don will have the 'guilt over Leo' along with the whole 'April & Casey' thing.
Mikey calms folks down (like with Raph).

What has Raph accomplished? What is Raph's purpose? Zilch and nothing and nada. Just him being Useless, and on top of that now he gets himself captured like an idiot in the first episode? Once again, 'great' start for him. (Sorry about the little rant, but just had to vent).

actually, while mikey is the heart of the team, raph has been the one to comfort mostly. wish i could find that post of like 8 gifs all of which show raph comforting one of his brothers. i like this side to raph, and feel like it has developed. not only does he protect his brothers physically but emotionally too. not to mention that even though he loses himself in his anger, when others are blinded, like leo with karai or donnie with april, hes thinking clearly.

raph also has the entire slash plot which im sure will be more developed, his rivalry with fishface, and interactions with casey.

not diagreeing with you. out of the 4 turtles, mikey and raph have the least tied to them. but theres still atleast 2 more seasons, and were already getting some development on both of them which i think will start to take over. who knows? maybe by season 4 us donnie and leo fans will be complaining about how everything is raph and mikey focused



anyway, season 3 starting:

really glad that leo will be out for awhile, simply for realistic continuity. unfortunatley, i think that means well have to wait awhile to he leos new voice.

as far as raph getting captured, im guessing its because hes not thinking staight. maybe we'll get to see him lose it over leos injuries after all. also, since i believe this is the creep episode, and he somehow gets caseys mask, i wonder if something will happen to casey. and with that, if he'll be gone for awhile, because the concept art of donnie in his nature form or whatever has him wearing a mask like caseys, which makes me feel like hes honoring casey, who could be missing.

hoping for a depressed donnie since he blames himself. hoping for a saddened april, after losing her dad yet again, and she blames herself. hoping for an irrationally pissed off raph. hoping for a ptsd leo. and hoping for a desperate mikey just trying to keep everyone together. not sure what i want out of casey, maybe a caring side? or even an attempt to lighten the mood, make the best out of it? that would fit his character without making him seem like an ass.

i also hope we get some updates back in new york. maybe not the first episode but at some point early on. wheres splinter staying and whats he doing? did he find leatherhead, or did leatherhead find other stray mutants? wheres karai? does she follow splinter or join him? shredder now has a mutated new york, what now? he knows the kraang will turn on him, whats his plan? what are his henchman doing? is the epf or whatever still trying to fix all this?

overall predictions for season 3:
karai picking her side or leaving, eventually demutating. drama within shredders henchman cause he'll have about 6 of them, and something tells me a couple of them arent going to like that. i honestly believe some 2k3 will show up, whether it be hun for the purple dragons or bishop for the humans. i also think we'll get angel, and i strongly believe shell be caseys sister. and finally i think some of the mutants will begin demutating. theyve found retromutagen, and once they return to new york, besides all of the people, i think theyll try to demutate others (tim, spider, rockwell, stockman)

[Warhorse]

Originally Posted by TurtleTitan97

But it's not like he intentionally tried to harm her. He was just super angry over angry over what happened to Splinter. I'm sure April would understand, considering she's lost her father three times now.

That is what I said, he never did mean to harm her, but still, seeing someone who you usually joke around with all of a sudden go nuts, and blindly elbows you out of the way, it could be a shock for her, almost as much as what happened with Irma. She's never seen this side of Raph before, the brothers, SPlinter and hell, even Casey almost became a victim of his rage, she has just got a glimpse of this, and it might just make her uneasy sometimes when Raph is around.

[ssjup81]

Originally Posted by ElectricN

actually, while mikey is the heart of the team, raph has been the one to comfort mostly. wish i could find that post of like 8 gifs all of which show raph comforting one of his brothers. i like this side to raph, and feel like it has developed. not only does he protect his brothers physically but emotionally too. not to mention that even though he loses himself in his anger, when others are blinded, like leo with karai or donnie with april, hes thinking clearly.

raph also has the entire slash plot which im sure will be more developed, his rivalry with fishface, and interactions with casey.

not diagreeing with you. out of the 4 turtles, mikey and raph have the least tied to them. but theres still atleast 2 more seasons, and were already getting some development on both of them which i think will start to take over. who knows? maybe by season 4 us donnie and leo fans will be complaining about how everything is raph and mikey focused



anyway, season 3 starting:

really glad that leo will be out for awhile, simply for realistic continuity. unfortunatley, i think that means well have to wait awhile to he leos new voice.

as far as raph getting captured, im guessing its because hes not thinking staight. maybe we'll get to see him lose it over leos injuries after all. also, since i believe this is the creep episode, and he somehow gets caseys mask, i wonder if something will happen to casey. and with that, if he'll be gone for awhile, because the concept art of donnie in his nature form or whatever has him wearing a mask like caseys, which makes me feel like hes honoring casey, who could be missing.

hoping for a depressed donnie since he blames himself. hoping for a saddened april, after losing her dad yet again, and she blames herself. hoping for an irrationally pissed off raph. hoping for a ptsd leo. and hoping for a desperate mikey just trying to keep everyone together. not sure what i want out of casey, maybe a caring side? or even an attempt to lighten the mood, make the best out of it? that would fit his character without making him seem like an ass.

i also hope we get some updates back in new york. maybe not the first episode but at some point early on. wheres splinter staying and whats he doing? did he find leatherhead, or did leatherhead find other stray mutants? wheres karai? does she follow splinter or join him? shredder now has a mutated new york, what now? he knows the kraang will turn on him, whats his plan? what are his henchman doing? is the epf or whatever still trying to fix all this?

overall predictions for season 3:
karai picking her side or leaving, eventually demutating. drama within shredders henchman cause he'll have about 6 of them, and something tells me a couple of them arent going to like that. i honestly believe some 2k3 will show up, whether it be hun for the purple dragons or bishop for the humans. i also think we'll get angel, and i strongly believe shell be caseys sister. and finally i think some of the mutants will begin demutating. theyve found retromutagen, and once they return to new york, besides all of the people, i think theyll try to demutate others (tim, spider, rockwell, stockman)

Nice predictions, although I could see maybe Casey going to check up on Raph and the creep showing up, some events taking place, which leads Raph to getting taken trying to protect Casey. Raph is the protector of the family.

I also feel that seasons 3 & 4 will focus moreso on Raph and Mikey as seasons 1 & 2 focused a lot on Leo and Don. Of course these two will probably have the main storylines (Leo with Shredder, Don where anything scientific or technological is involved, so the Kraang), but yeah, I feel the other two will get their fair share of time.

I also predict that Raph will get upset with April and Donnie over what happened at some point. You know, he'll realize it wasn't their fault and stuff, but may react that way. I like the theory of Leo getting cross with April, though over what happened.

Oh and as for Donnie's mask. It's supposed to be a stone shaman mask, not really a skull. Shaman are associated with knowledge and wisdom. Perfect for Donnie.

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

Originally Posted by ssjup81

I also feel that seasons 3 & 4 will focus moreso on Raph and Mikey as seasons 1 & 2 focused a lot on Leo and Don. Of course these two will probably have the main storylines (Leo with Shredder, Don where anything scientific or technological is involved, so the Kraang), but yeah, I feel the other two will get their fair share of time.

Well, unfortunately I don't share the optimism you guys' have for that.

And I definitely don't think the upcoming seasons will be more focused on Raph & Mikey. I'd bet money on that.

It's a Safe Bet that it will still be heavily Leo and Donnie based for the upcoming seasons. Leo dealing with his healing, maybe wanting revenge/retribution/payback, worrying about Splinter, thinking of his 'failure' (as he'll put it)...and they'll give Donnie stuff about April/Casey, dealing with how to stop the invasion (as him and Leo patch things up), more of the Retromutagen stuff, and so on. Raph & Mikey will still pretty much be in the background, especially Raph. I know I'm beating a dead horse about it, but to me it is surprising just how underused a character like Raphael happens to be in this show...even the Slash stuff was 1 or 2 episodes max...and the stuff with Fishface? When was the last time that was even a thing? And even then it was 'barely' A Thing.

[victory_angel]

Maybe Raph is already upset about Leo and Splinter and gets more upset with April when he learns she brought her friend Irma who turned out to be a Kraang to the lair. When Donnie steps in he rounds on his brother and mouths of at him about how it's fault Leo is dying and maybe saying if it wasn't for his obsessive crush on April none of this would have happened. But immediately regrets it after it's said.

And much like Raph making a big deal about Donnie being responsible for the accident that nearly killed Spike. Donnie gets upset. But he agrees with Raph and says he's right, everything is his fault before he runs off.

In the video of the TMNT panel at SDCC while we don't see the video involving "The Creep" we are able to hear before the video feed cuts off.

April: *Gasp* That's Donnie!

So perhaps everyone goes off in search of Donnie to try and get him back. Casey gets attacked by Creep and gets his hockey mask stolen. He is found by the others and they realize they need to find Donnie before the Creep does. Raph and April find him facing off against the Creep and Raph rushes in to protect his brother when he gets captured.

Donnie organizes the group to go and rescue Raphael and afterwards the two have a heart to heart about the whole ordeal.

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

Originally Posted by victory_angel

Maybe Raph is already upset about Leo and Splinter and gets more upset with April when he learns she brought her friend Irma who turned out to be a Kraang to the lair. When Donnie steps in he rounds on his brother and mouths of at him about how it's fault Leo is dying and maybe saying if it wasn't for his obsessive crush on April none of this would have happened. But immediately regrets it after it's said.

If it went like that, it'd be extremely lame and lazy writing on their part. Because they've done this same kind of stuff Way Too Many Times with Raph.

*Raph needs to control what he says/does (in the episode where that guy took their picture and they had to get it back), so Splinter has all of them shoot Raph with those toy arrows (way back in season 1), but 'he'll learn later' but it doesn't stick
*Raph for years told Spike 'this and that' about his family, which bites him on the butt later on when he becomes Slash, but 'he'll learn later' but it doesn't stick
*Raph hurt/broke Leo's arm, but then he regrets it and 'he'll learn later' but it doesn't stick
*Raph was the leader and gets Mikey extremely hurt because he didn't know what he was doing, but 'he'll learn' later and it doesn't stick

Same stuff, different day...and all it would do is keep stating that Raphael is the biggest and most constant 'screw-up' in the Truest sense on the team, more so than Mikey or anybody else ever would/could be.

It's one thing to make mistakes and 'you're not going to be perfect'. This, on the other hand, would be another and just Lazy Writing of 'we don't know what else to do with Raphael, just do the same/Exact ground again & again & again & again'.

So either a useless character, an underused character, or this stuff ^^

The only thing in his favor on this show is when he does comfort his bros and the brotherly bond with Mikey that they do feature quite a bit (which I am glad for since I really enjoy those two together).

[coxfire]

Originally Posted by Ramboraph4life aka Matt

Well, unfortunately I don't share the optimism you guys' have for that.

And I definitely don't think the upcoming seasons will be more focused on Raph & Mikey. I'd bet money on that.

It's a Safe Bet that it will still be heavily Leo and Donnie based for the upcoming seasons. Leo dealing with his healing, maybe wanting revenge/retribution/payback, worrying about Splinter, thinking of his 'failure' (as he'll put it)...and they'll give Donnie stuff about April/Casey, dealing with how to stop the invasion (as him and Leo patch things up), more of the Retromutagen stuff, and so on. Raph & Mikey will still pretty much be in the background, especially Raph.

I understand where you come from, and I think you are right. I know we are only entering the third season now, but 52 episodes are still pretty representative of the focus the showrunners have on the characters.

Leo and Donnie definitely are the main driving force among the turtles, Leo because he is leader and Donnie because of his importance with the mutagen plot and his capacities of desiging all engines that benefit the turtles in their mission, plus the Apriltello angle.
While Mike and Raph are given here and then their specific episodes, the global vibe that the show sends is that they are not the main players. Strong suppporting characters, but not essential ones (April is even more essential than they are).
The last episodes did introduce a bit of character growth for them, particularly Mikey, but all in all, it was pretty minor compared to the attention the other two were given over all episodes. And as you stated, I am not sure the show knows how to handle Raph.

Now, maybe season 3 will bring a little more focus on them, but I still expect Leo and Donnie to be those receiving more attention.

[hypnock]

I want "The River" arc in season 3. It's one of my favorites and Raph will get more focused.

[Ninjinister]

Originally Posted by Mellie

Does this mean we'll see Raphael without a mask? I'm not ready

Why is it, everywhere I look, people are concerned about seeing turtles sans masks, and looking inside their rooms?

It's weird.

Originally Posted by miru

I predict Splinter, Karai, Leatherhead, and Slash form a resistance group. Irma gets elaborated on as an author's saving throw.

What would they need to save her from? The most brilliant event since the arrival of Rahzar?

[ssjup81]

Originally Posted by Ninjinister

Why is it, everywhere I look, people are concerned about seeing turtles sans masks, and looking inside their rooms?

It's weird.

The way a person keeps his/her room can give us more insight into said character and get an idea as to what they me do in their free time or maybe a hobby.

Too bad we never saw Donnie or Leo's rooms.

[hypnock]

Originally Posted by ssjup81

The way a person keeps his/her room can give us more insight into said character and get an idea as to what they me do in their free time or maybe a hobby.

Too bad we never saw Donnie or Leo's rooms.

We can see a little of their rooms in the comic.

Well... this little

[ssjup81]

Raph with the teddy bear is so adorable! Just like Mirage Raph. I always found it ironic how the incarnations with a tough Raph sleeps with a teddy bear and OT Raph slept with one of his sai.

[Powder]

Originally Posted by Ninjinister

Why is it, everywhere I look, people are concerned about seeing turtles sans masks, and looking inside their rooms?

It's weird.

'Cause they wanna improve their turtle-boning fantasies.

[Leofan26]

I don't know about season three being focused on Raph & Mikey, maybe season four at best bet. Unless Nick really does bring in that villain who's the exact opposite of Donnie, than of course the defeat of Shredder along with finishing the Karai subplot.

Season three we are going to be dealing with emotional issues, Leo's and Donnie's in particular, they will be like a walking time bombes, ready to go off at any moment. Ontop of that, once they let the cat out of the bag about April, well we already knew Mikey's response, he pretty much blamed her for it. Raph, boy if Donnie thought Mikey was being harsh on April for that, we are going to be seeing major fire works here

Don't know about Leo's reaction, will he be ticked? Maybe just try to drop the issue and move on and act like nothing was said? Or even just kick April out?

[Vicky82]

I’m wondering if we going to get a City at War story in season 3.

(I'll put under spoilers)

Spoiler:

Watching the final episode got me thinking.

Tiger Claw said to Shredder 'The city is yours'
Kraang Prime wants to take over the city
The turtles left New York unresolved as they didn't defeat Kraang Prime and half of New York still mutated.

So while the turtles are in Northampton, the situation in New York gets worse. The alliance between the Kraang and Shredder is broken and now at war with each other to control New York. Also the other mutants will get involved in the war over New York too.

When the turtles return to stop the war and have there own resistance group (with Splinter, Leatherhead, maybe Karai) and have to persuade some of the other mutants to join up to stop Shredder (and his army) and the Kraang.

[pannoni1]

I feel that this is the season that the show really peaks in quality and allows the full emotions of all characters being dynamic with each other. Still, you have to introduce some new characters, and in addition to Bishop, I want a possible return of Bebop & Rocksteady as foreshadowed in a Season 2 episode. That said, this retreat means I want more action/battles/travel outside of the city and explore new worlds. It will also be interesting to see how Casey can avoid being put in jail.

[blindturtle02]

Yeah, I'd also like to see more edge of your seat battles in season 3. Bebop and Rocksteady have me quite excited, as do Muckman and Jo Eyeball. I imagine there will be other characters we don't know about. Hopefully from the Mirage or Archy comics. I'd love to see Bloodsucker at some point.