Sony Pictures Entertainment Brings Marvel Studios Into The Amazing World Of Spider-Ma

[CyberCubed]

The only woman superhero I ever bought was Wonder Woman simply because she lived on an Amazon island all her life and her upbringing was about being a warrior. Same for some of the alien women characters like Supergirl, Miss Martian, etc. because they're overpowered compared to normal humans.

As much as I like characters such as Batgirl, etc....she really makes no sense. Sure her Dad is the Commissioner but why would she want to fight crime in a cape rather than becoming a cop herself?

[BabyTurtles]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

The only woman superhero I ever bought was Wonder Woman simply because she lived on an Amazon island all her life and her upbringing was about being a warrior. Same for some of the alien women characters like Supergirl, Miss Martian, etc. because they're overpowered compared to normal humans.

As much as I like characters such as Batgirl, etc....she really makes no sense. Sure her Dad is the Commissioner but why would she want to fight crime in a cape rather than becoming a cop herself?

...........why does Batman want to wear a cape rather then be a detective?

this is stupid....girls aren't some different species.

we want to be superheroes too, and we shouldn't have to justify why we want to be one or if we'd make sense being one.

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by BabyTurtles

this is stupid....girls aren't some different species.

HAH. Truly spoken as someone who's never dated one.

And I'unno. I seriously swear putting on body armor and jumping out of windows requires a seriously high level of testosterone that most girls can't get without steroids. I mean, it's not like there's a million of them trying to join UFC. You have a few, sure, but most girls I know would never, ever, ever do anything like that. And I think there's a reason why not, in either case: It's fundamentally stupid.

And originally Babs kind of only became Batgirl for kicks. She happened to dress up as "Batgirl" for a costume ball and ended up having to stop Killer Moth for some dumb reason. She enjoyed the rush so she became a crimefighter. That's actually a pretty terrible reason to be a super-hero. Freud would have an absolute field day with that.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

1) 2) The majority of this country isn't white and male.

3) Spider-Man takes place in New York City, one of the most diverse cities on the planet. Myles' face wouldn't stick out in a crowd. In fact, depending on which neighborhood you're in, it's Peter who would stand out.

2) No, but the majority cross-section is. Take the number of males, and cross-reference with majority ethnic demographic, and you get- white males. It's not hard to figure out.

3) Only if the neighborhood is Brooklyn (Italian) Harlem (largely black), Dhinatown (Asian), or The Barrio(Latino). The rest of the city is a mix with Caucasian predominating. White still stands as the majority. And Peter is middle class (aka average)- which is most CERTAINLY predominantly white.

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Pretty sure white men outnumber minorities.

This.

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

The only reason Miles was created was for tokenism. Just like they introduce gay characters in comics just for the sake of saying there's a gay character now. Iceman just came out as gay in the recent X-men comics out of nowhere.

Also this. Iceman as gay- not even going to comment on that. Little LATE to the game there.

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

I'm going to start saying every new white male character is a blatant pandering to a minority demographic.

The minority that pretty much STARTED the entire superhero genre, and makes up MOST of it. Yeah, sure, that makes sense.

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

I'd call it offensive, but the last thing I need is Cyber going all LemonGrab on me.
Women aren't smarter. Men aren't stupider. That's outdated binary gender role talk that keeps everyone down.

One of the things I prefer about the Marvel Universe, as opposed to DC, is that there is so much variation. That they haven't gone out of their way to unify their universes, or well...not yet at least. That there's room to change, and people can play with characters in a much more creative way.

I love that we have two Hawkeyes. That Wolverine is Logan and Patch. That Ms Marvel can be Captain Marvel opening Ms Marvel up to be someone else is awesome. I don't even like all the Ultimates books, but I love that they're there. Keeping everything in pristine condition is boring. Peter Parker always being Spider-Man, always working for the Bugle, and always being in that nebulous "young adult" age is boring.

Yet there is scientific research that indicates that women ARE fundamentally smarter in many ways. It has to do with brain functions and neural connections, which are more numerous in women. Also, the hemispheres are more closely linked in women.

Peter doesn't still work for the Bugle- he hasn't since Civil War outted him and JJJ fired him. The deal with Joephisto altered many things, but that didn't. Though it's unclear now as to why he no longer works there. Suffice to say, he's also NOT still a young adult, and hasn't been for decades!

[BabyTurtles]

If women are so much smarter than we should be better superheroes.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Or smart enough to know better, is more like it. Being a superhero isn't about being smart anyway- it's about being able to out-punch/power/whatever the other guy. Though creativity use of powers comes into play, I suppose.

And the idea that more than one hero might have the same origin YEARS apart is just- ridiculous. The accident that caused Peter's powers was LITERALLY a once-in-a-lifetime kind of event. Comparable to a star going supernova- you're lucky if you're looking in the right place at the right time to witness it. Having another kid end up in the same exact situation is just really too hard to swallow to begin with. It's shoehorning in origins to explain similar powers in a very different character. Mayday Parker aka Spider-Girl is understandable- she's his DAUGHTER. Miguel O'Hara (2099) is (supposedly) a distant descendant. They made sense. Miles does NOT. Even Jessica Drew had her powers from experimentation with spider DNA, by the High Evolutionary, And Kaine and Scarlet Spider were both clones of Peter. (With different personalities, at least to some degree.) They all make sense within the larger framework of Pete's origin. (Spider-Woman being an unrelated case, but still within reason.)

[BabyTurtles]

Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

Or smart enough to know better, is more like it. Being a superhero isn't about being smart anyway- it's about being able to out-punch/power/whatever the other guy. Though creativity use of powers comes into play, I suppose.

And the idea that more than one hero might have the same origin YEARS apart is just- ridiculous. The accident that caused Peter's powers was LITERALLY a once-in-a-lifetime kind of event. Comparable to a star going supernova- you're lucky if you're looking in the right place at the right time to witness it. Having another kid end up in the same exact situation is just really too hard to swallow to begin with. It's shoehorning in origins to explain similar powers in a very different character. Mayday Parker aka Spider-Girl is understandable- she's his DAUGHTER. Miguel O'Hara (2099) is (supposedly) a distant descendant. They made sense. Miles does NOT. Even Jessica Drew had her powers from experimentation with spider DNA, by the High Evolutionary, And Kaine and Scarlet Spider were both clones of Peter. (With different personalities, at least to some degree.) They all make sense within the larger framework of Pete's origin. (Spider-Woman being an unrelated case, but still within reason.)

Are you serious?? There have been many legacy characters that weren't related and had the same superpower incident.

why are you singling out Miles??

ya know what ticks me off...you're so quick to diss Miles....do you even know what Miles can do for people?

Miles has the ability to be representation for a little black kid who has always loved Spider-man but was told he couldn't be one because he wasn't white by other kids. You don't think it happens? It happens! I helped at a kindergarten and those kids are ruthless sometimes.

It angers me that fanboys/girls are so nit-picky and protective of their "original" heroes even though they have been here FOREVER that literally giving someone else the spotlight, someone that could actually change the world is too crazy a thought.

"why can't he be another NEW hero"

cause....we will NEVER get a chance to see some random new hero on the big screen. Its HARD enough to get a popular black hero (or any minority) on the big screen so don't even start!

[Leo656]

Blade had four movies, Will Smith got a vanity project in "Hancock", and Halle Berry gets to keep playing Storm despite popular consensus being that both her and her wigs are fairly awful.

So I'unno. People are doin' stuff.

[BabyTurtles]

Originally Posted by Leo656

Blade had four movies, Will Smith got a vanity project in "Hancock", and Halle Berry gets to keep playing Storm despite popular consensus being that both her and her wigs are fairly awful.

So I'unno. People are doin' stuff.

Blade?? I don't remember him....must have been a long time ago.
Storm?? you mean that underused character??
Hancock......didn't he get like 1 movie??

How is this enough? What, we are given some scraps off the table and we are supposed to be fully satisfied for a whole 12 years until more scraps are given?

Spiderman sticks cause Marvel cares about him, while minority characters are pushed to the side or play second fiddle.

I mean look at Storm....SHE'S STORM!! and is she even that important in the movies?? yea...not really.

This girl can control weather with her emotions......she's an african queen! so where's her backstory?
(hopefully they do her right in the new movie)

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

That they haven't gone out of their way to unify their universes, or well...not yet at least

CoughSECRETWARSCough

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by BabyTurtles

Hancock......didn't he get like 1 movie??

One crummy movie that didn't beg for any kind of sequel, yes, he did have that.

And how the hell did anyone miss Blade, or the rest of the Blades. I mean they weren't great but the first 3 got a lot of press (4th went to DVD I think). No offense, honest question, but exactly how old are you?

Interesting fact: If Blade hadn't made money, we might not have even gotten X-Men, Spider-Man, or any of the other movies that happened since. Before Blade, comic movies were "unhip" and "corny" and nobody would touch them. Then Blade was hot and people liked comic movies again.

So yeah, surprised you missed it. For such a "forgettable minority character picking up the scraps," his movie was a pretty huge deal, historically. Read a book and know your history, whippersnapper!

Big problem with Storm is the same problem with every X-Man... she, like a lot of 'em, is so over-powered you either keep them in the background or "break" the entire movie. But forget that, you know what I wanna see? Halle Berry in a mohawk wig. THAT is the Storm that would earn my ticket money. Percent 1000, baba.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Originally Posted by BabyTurtles

Are you serious?? There have been many legacy characters that weren't related and had the same superpower incident.

why are you singling out Miles??

ya know what ticks me off...you're so quick to diss Miles....do you even know what Miles can do for people?

Miles has the ability to be representation for a little black kid who has always loved Spider-man but was told he couldn't be one because he wasn't white by other kids. You don't think it happens? It happens! I helped at a kindergarten and those kids are ruthless sometimes.

It angers me that fanboys/girls are so nit-picky and protective of their "original" heroes even though they have been here FOREVER that literally giving someone else the spotlight, someone that could actually change the world is too crazy a thought.

"why can't he be another NEW hero"

cause....we will NEVER get a chance to see some random new hero on the big screen. Its HARD enough to get a popular black hero (or any minority) on the big screen so don't even start!

REALLY?! Name them. All the "Legacy" characters are such because they were the FIRST, and because they actually have a long, rich history. Iron-Man BUILT his own suits. All the others copied his designs. The other Spider-characters all had different origins (and one is his kid, most of the others are his CLONES) and do we REALLY need ANOTHER Spider-based character, anyway? It's like all the Super-Man wanna-bes in DC. Hulk is the only one who really had others with the same "origin" (basically, all just exposed to gamma rays) but that's a pretty simple one, and not hard to duplicate. There was even an "undead" Hulk named Digger. (He only appeared ONCE. In Spider-Man's book, oddly enough.) But his origin was: dead mobsters' bodies exposed to radioactive chemicals in a dump site, brought back to life and.... That one's weird.

Urgh, it's not like we haven't seen plenty of "random" black heroes in comics or on the big screen. Black Panther has had an animated film, and is touted to show up in the MCU Avengers, we've already had Falcon- FALCON of all people!- in Cap 2, Storm in at least THREE X-Men movies (I haven't seen DOFP) and Blade. Nick Fury, for another. (But Hasselhoff did it first, ha!) Do we REALLY need Spider-Man to be black now, too??!! These are characters that were CREATED that way. As in- ORIGINAL.

And Miles won't "change the world" any more than a black Johnny Storm will. He's the torch-bearer to another, better-known character, and no more or less than that. At BEST, he will always be an "also ran". I don't know about you, but to me, that's a pretty crappy reason to remember a character. The whole point of why people are fans of these characters is because they relate to them on a deeper level than skin-tone, anyway. So, yes, fans DO get ticked if the newbie comes along and starts getting the focus from the one who was there FIRST. Because it's just silly to start changing every character into something they were never created to be. If Stan Lee had wanted Spider-Man to be black, he'd have made Peter that way to begin with. He chose to make him as ordinary as possible. And guess what? In the sixties, that meant plain old white boy. And that's exactly how he should stay. Because anything else is just change for the sake of being "edgy and modern".

Kids can dress up as any friggin character they want, because they know it's make-believe, and that character is whatever they WANT them to be when they dress up. And Halloween is ONE day out of the year- kids aren't dressing up as these characters every day, unless they are just THAT nuts about them, and then I doubt they would care what others think or say to them. You don't even need NEW heroes for this, there are already plenty of them that already exist and haven't even been tapped yet! Shoot, while we're at it, let's make HULK black. Since he turns green anyway, it's not like anyone will care what race HE is. He could be Latino, and who'd notice? No one ever remembers what he looks like OUTSIDE of his Hulk-form. Why do we have to keep race-bending existing heroes, when there are others standing right beside them that already fit your racial mold? FF's Johnny Storm is black now, apparently. Even though there is NO good reason for it, other than "we need more black/Asian/etc. heroes".

We have Native American heroes in Thunderbird, Dani Moonstar (female, I might add), and others. We have Mirage, Psylocke, and Sunspot for Asian heroes (also all X-Men), we have Latino heroes like Cannonball and Arana.... The list goes on- there are even Hindu and Middle Eastern ones- and ALL of them have existed for at least five-ten years or more! Spike, Prodigy, etc. I could pull out my Marvel Encyclopedia and list dozens, but I won't, because you see what I'm getting at. They may not be as BIG as Spidey, but there are MORE than enough minority heroes without race-bending those that have existed for decades. It's just a straw-man argument, because the entire basis of it is "we need more___", which is false, because they already exist. So WHAT if Spider-Man is Peter Parker? He's a CHARACTER, not just a set of powers in a suit. Iron-Man could be ANYBODY, in theory, but it's Tony Stark who MAKES that character interesting. Not the suit. IT's not Cap's abilities that make him interesting, either. It's his CHARACTER. The MAN in the suit, not the suit itself. And I'm not even going to get into the whole Bucky-Cap thing.....

Basically, you're arguing that ANYONE could "be" Spider-Man, if they have the costume and some spider-like abilities. Not true. Characters are NOT their powers alone. If you want a different ethnicity for Spidey, fine. We've had that for years- in 2099. Miguel O'Hara is mixed race. And his character makes more sense than a blatant rip-off in the SAME TIME-PERIOD with the SAME EXACT origin as Spidey. It's pandering, pure and simple. And unnecessary. Also mildly annoying, and insulting to the character that came fist.

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

we've already had Falcon- FALCON of all people!- in Cap 2

Spoiler:

[Candy Kappa]

"waah, it all must be the same, cause that's how it's always been."

Apparently it's unthinkable for some... people, that a black kid that lives with his aunt in Queens likes science and photography. maybe it's a White thing.

[BabyTurtles]

man I know the chances are slim....but I still hope for a Miles animated movie...

I mean Peter gets to be in the Live-action movies and Miles begins in an animated movie!

that way there won't be 2 Petey's and we get something a little different.

[ZariusTwo]

This Miles hard-on needs to deflate. It's making me hate him. I don't like hating on Bendis creations.

[BabyTurtles]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

This Miles hard-on needs to deflate. It's making me hate him. I don't like hating on Bendis creations.

Then just ignore what I'm saying.

or start a different conversation.

anyway....they say they are doing an animated movie but do we know...

1) if it's going to be a animated kids movie
2) do we know which Spidey they will pick? (whether it be Peter/Miles/Gwen/ any other spiderman)
3) and will it be another origin story!?

[plastroncafe]

Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

"waah, it all must be the same, cause that's how it's always been."

Apparently it's unthinkable for some... people, that a black kid that lives with his aunt in Queens likes science and photography. maybe it's a White thing.

But don't you see? We shouldn't need characters to look like us to identify with them, so long as that character is white! Make that character any other shade and it's RUINING THEM! Because...how can someone identify with a black Spider-man?

I would like to applaud Sony Pictures for managing to find so many white kids who look nearly identical.

[Candy Kappa]

Wow... They should just hire them all and do the hilariously bad Clone Saga on film.

[CyberCubed]

Peter Parker is white so they're casting young white males, why is this becoming some sort of feminist or race issue? What's next, a black Batman or an Asian female Superman?