The Official Venting/Whining/Criticism Thread!

[Luckyday]

Originally Posted by victory_angel

I'm not saying we shouldn't be critical. But what I am suggesting is that instead of going into an episode for the first time we should put down the checklist and just enjoy the episode as it is.

And then pick up the checklist again when you give it a rewatch. If we go in looking for what the episode does wrong, that is all we are going to see which will hinder you from enjoying all the episode does right.

And if you go in expecting to find only what the episode does right, it's not going to look right because we will also be confronted with the glaring flaws.

I guess so but now that the invasion II/return to New York arc is over and done with, I can go back to Northampton arc without getting impatient and aggravated because it didn't flow well with the rest of the arc and instead watch as anthology theme mini season.

Part of my enjoyment is dependent of where the episode is. If I was really invested in a arc but the writers detour into something else entirely then I'm going be "Hey! What the hell show? I was really getting into this!"

Maybe with me having pre knowledge of the franchise from comics might have something to do with it or maybe I tend have a....over active imagination that craves speculation and detail like a conspiracy junkie on youtube.

Every new change whatever that be a new character or mutation in a show gets me thinking "Oh man! I wonder where this going" and that change never really goes any where or at least it doesn't go beyond the scope of one episode like the ending "A Foot Too Big" and rarely sometimes does it goes into a entirely different direction like Slash.

Then again a different direction is not always a bad thing depending on execution. The most important thing is this create new stories to tell. New conflict and if this don't create new conflict then we have a problem.

[VaughnMichael]

Does anyone else think it's odd that we've yet to see Newtralizer?
I mean it's been some time since we last saw him.
I guess of course the same could be said about other characters as well.

[victory_angel]

Originally Posted by Luckyday

I guess so but now that the invasion II/return to New York arc is over and done with, I can go back to Northampton arc without getting impatient and aggravated because it didn't flow well with the rest of the arc and instead watch as anthology theme mini season.

Part of my enjoyment is dependent of where the episode is. If I was really invested in a arc but the writers detour into something else entirely then I'm going be "Hey! What the hell show? I was really getting into this!"

Maybe with me having pre knowledge of the franchise from comics might have something to do with it or maybe I tend have a....over active imagination that craves speculation and detail like a conspiracy junkie on youtube.

Every new change whatever that be a new character or mutation in a show gets me thinking "Oh man! I wonder where this going" and that change never really goes any where or at least it doesn't go beyond the scope of one episode like the ending "A Foot Too Big" and rarely sometimes does it goes into a entirely different direction like Slash.

Then again a different direction is not always a bad thing depending on execution. The most important thing is this create new stories to tell. New conflict and if this don't create new conflict then we have a problem.

I agree that the North Hampton arc was disappointing. Usually that is the arc where the characters are assessing themselves with who they are. And there was a lot of drama with the characters regarding their defeat and near death of Leo and supposed death of Splinter.

And it would have been good to have continued with that drama in the beginning of the series. Have one of the Turtles insist they have a plan about how long they are going to stay there, what they are going to do to cover their survival (after all Orphans on a budget), What sort of plan they are going to have about getting back to the city and dealing with the Kraang and Foot Clan.

But instead we get we are going to stay here until Leo wakes up...whenever that is. And "Invasion? What invasion? We're here on extended vacation and wow our wacky adventures happen out here too."

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by VaughnMichael

Does anyone else think it's odd that we've yet to see Newtralizer?
I mean it's been some time since we last saw him.
I guess of course the same could be said about other characters as well.

I think we'll see him when the Turtles go into Dimension X again. Remember he's an alien and not a mutant.

[Luckyday]

Originally Posted by victory_angel

I agree that the North Hampton arc was disappointing. Usually that is the arc where the characters are assessing themselves with who they are. And there was a lot of drama with the characters regarding their defeat and near death of Leo and supposed death of Splinter.

And it would have been good to have continued with that drama in the beginning of the series. Have one of the Turtles insist they have a plan about how long they are going to stay there, what they are going to do to cover their survival (after all Orphans on a budget), What sort of plan they are going to have about getting back to the city and dealing with the Kraang and Foot Clan.

But instead we get we are going to stay here until Leo wakes up...whenever that is. And "Invasion? What invasion? We're here on extended vacation and wow our wacky adventures happen out here too."

Yeah that whole thing was just....it was really mishandled. I like to think that team learned it's lesson since then and it's the reason why this mind serum plot line wasn't so push into background like Splinter being dead and the whole city was taken over by the Kraang while they were in North Hampton having crazy camp adventures. Then again the thing about this mind serum element is that it's flexible enough to let them create different types of episodic stories without sticking with a strict story arc in mind, and you can still watch them in any order.

I have no idea what they go with into season 4 but I hope that they stick with this flexible format for future episodes. It suits them better and maybe people like me can stop creating these head canon story arcs and enjoy the show.

[MCLeo28]

Originally Posted by VaughnMichael

Does anyone else think it's odd that we've yet to see Newtralizer?
I mean it's been some time since we last saw him.
I guess of course the same could be said about other characters as well.

Yeah, but not as odd as not seeing Mutagen Man for over a season.

But yeah, this show tends to now showcase most of the existing mutants, even the new and interesting ones such as Snakeweed and Spiderbytez which is unfortunate.

[Ashwolf]

Originally Posted by MCLeo28

Yeah, but not as odd as not seeing Mutagen Man for over a season.

But yeah, this show tends to now showcase most of the existing mutants, even the new and interesting ones such as Snakeweed and Spiderbytez which is unfortunate.

Just cause they have barely showed up doesn't mean they have been showcased, they might play bigger roles l8r

Rockwell 4 example, he was only in that 1 ep back in season 1 and now he's 1 of the most active allies, w/ dregg coming in possibly next season, I'm betting that cockroach terminator and maybe spider bitez have more of a active role (along w watever other insect based mutants that r in the city, if I'm missing any)

[CyberCubed]

Snakeweed hasn't been seen in a while either.

[Ninturtle]

Originally Posted by Ashwolf

Just cause they have barely showed up doesn't mean they have been showcased, they might play bigger roles l8r

Rockwell 4 example, he was only in that 1 ep back in season 1 and now he's 1 of the most active allies, w/ dregg coming in possibly next season, I'm betting that cockroach terminator and maybe spider bitez have more of a active role (along w watever other insect based mutants that r in the city, if I'm missing any)

Rock Well also had a cameo in "Metal Head Rewired"

[GiveMeBackMyRaphXLeo]

I think don is the worst turtle in this vetsion, imo, in 4kids, don is a genius, a more intriguing mind, it gives u the feelin that he planned on alot things even leo is the true plan maker. But in nick, don is simply some kind of horny science nerd ! Thats the part i hate, being too alike humans makes the turtles lame. I like the fact they r not humans， and thats why they r better, thats why they r idols.

[KrN]

Originally Posted by GiveMeBackMyRaphXLeo

I think don is the worst turtle in this vetsion, imo, in 4kids, don is a genius, a more intriguing mind, it gives u the feelin that he planned on alot things even leo is the true plan maker. But in nick, don is simply some kind of horny science nerd ! Thats the part i hate, being too alike humans makes the turtles lame. I like the fact they r not humans， and thats why they r better, thats why they r idols.

Get rid of him.

[Ninturtle]

Originally Posted by KrN

Get rid of him.

Just report him and move on. There's no use in giving him attention.

[ImmaAxolotl]

I'm not going to say any names, but SOMEONE's making us 2K3 fans look bad.

Anyways, while I liked the latest episode, I was really hoping that Raph's mind control would be multi-episode and would have lasting repercussions on his mind and junk.

[Amaranthus]

Originally Posted by ImmaAxolotl

I'm not going to say any names, but SOMEONE's making us 2K3 fans look bad.

Who the hell cares?
People who judge fanbases based on a few bad people are idiots anyway.

[GiveMeBackMyRaphXLeo]

I rly hope they can make karai a cute boyfirend like chaplin as soon as possible. The poor girl just too pathetic....debuted as a weird lookin chick, being manipupated around, and got turned into even ...weirder form...
at least have a taste of one hot guy in her life . N maybe chaplin will be hersaver, coming up.with some creative ideas of retro mutagen or something, who knos, just an idea...

[IndigoErth]

Originally Posted by ImmaAxolotl

Anyways, while I liked the latest episode, I was really hoping that Raph's mind control would be multi-episode and would have lasting repercussions on his mind and junk.

You and me both. And I think close to everyone else. Shredder should be mad the mind control thing was broken so easily.



Karai isn't even human anymore. Heck, Leo is too 'human' for her now. She's not getting a human guy any time soon, if ever.

[GiveMeBackMyRaphXLeo]

Leo is another lame too beside don. Instead of being pictured as the most mature most balanced most reliable brother among the all, he becomes a like ur neighborhood virgin boy, who blushes talkin to girl. N sometime he just look like a freakin dove to me, idk wth is wrong with him... where is the reliable mature turtle go? Certinly doesnt look very reliable acting like that...real leo is more mature in mind .actually, leo is way more mature than his own age, compare with the other turtles, which didnt seem tobe carried out in this version. After all, imo leo is the one turtle who focus on pursuing to be better and nothin distract him , he is teen but his mind is way more mature than teen. But in this versiin he act like a kid ! No difference frm donnie. Not very leader stand out

[IndigoErth]

So you simply failed to recognize that this show has purposely portrayed them young like that?

The maturity of other versions is nice and works in those versions, but the fact that they are always supposedly teens but were always portrayed more like adults is kind of strange really. The Nick show is a nice change of pace and it's nice to actually see them come across more like the age they say they are. Which, even if you can't see it, is a plus, because assuming the show still lasts for a while, having them actually act like the kids that they are gives the show room to actually let them grow up. Rather than being stuck at one mentality the whole time. We've already seen this with Leo, he already is more serious, etc., than he was when the series started. The events of the end of season 2 forced him to grow up a bit and he has. He's not lame...he's just young. If this show lasted a long time or was continued into an older version, I am sure this young Leo is headed in the direction of being much like the older-seeming versions of Leo we already know.

He's been my fave forever and love this youngster as much as the other versions. Personally I think they've done fairly well by him.

The last series already starts with them being highly trained, it worked there. This time we're seeing them still learning and growing. If you don't like the possibility for gradual development of characters and prefer they start off at the top and stay there, well then stick with the series you do like, that's all I can suggest. This one is it's own thing and isn't going to become what you want.

Originally Posted by GiveMeBackMyRaphXLeo

sometime he just look like a freakin dove to me

[MCLeo28]

Originally Posted by Ashwolf

Just cause they have barely showed up doesn't mean they have been showcased, they might play bigger roles l8r

Rockwell 4 example, he was only in that 1 ep back in season 1 and now he's 1 of the most active allies, w/ dregg coming in possibly next season, I'm betting that cockroach terminator and maybe spider bitez have more of a active role (along w watever other insect based mutants that r in the city, if I'm missing any)

You sure can argue that, but besides that, only a few of the mutants have been fleshed out. Justin, Snakeweed, Squirrelanoids, Mutagen Man, and the Cockroach Terminator are all mutants that haven't been fleshed out. Even a few mutants such as the Rat King, Sir Malachi, the Newtralizer, and Spiderbytez are all mutants that haven't received enough screen-time despite 3/4 of them being the far more interesting mutants.

It's just kind of disappointing because instead of developing the existing mutants more and giving the Turtles more interesting villains, we're stuck with a bunch of the Foot episodes. They have been really good, but it's about time to start introducing more enemies instead of having the Turtles battle the same enemy only to lose to Shredder for the hundredth time.

[GiveMeBackMyRaphXLeo]

Originally Posted by IndigoErth

So you simply failed to recognize that this show has purposely portrayed them young like that?

The maturity of other versions is nice and works in those versions, but the fact that they are always supposedly teens but were always portrayed more like adults is kind of strange really. The Nick show is a nice change of pace and it's nice to actually see them come across more like the age they say they are. Which, even if you can't see it, is a plus, because assuming the show still lasts for a while, having them actually act like the kids that they are gives the show room to actually let them grow up. Rather than being stuck at one mentality the whole time. We've already seen this with Leo, he already is more serious, etc., than he was when the series started. The events of the end of season 2 forced him to grow up a bit and he has. He's not lame...he's just young. If this show lasted a long time or was continued into an older version, I am sure this young Leo is headed in the direction of being much like the older-seeming versions of Leo we already know.

He's been my fave forever and love this youngster as much as the other versions. Personally I think they've done fairly well by him.

The last series already starts with them being highly trained, it worked there. This time we're seeing them still learning and growing. If you don't like the possibility for gradual development of characters and prefer they start off at the top and stay there, well then stick with the series you do like, that's all I can suggest. This one is it's own thing and isn't going to become what you want.



http://i.imgur.com/5UFyxj3.jpg

Yes i do notice that but my point is even if he is teen in age his mental age is way more mature than teen. i mean he shud be. N guess u kno wjat im gettin at when i said he look like a dove