The Official Venting/Whining/Criticism Thread!

[KC Midnight]

Originally Posted by IndigoErth

So you simply failed to recognize that this show has purposely portrayed them young like that?

The maturity of other versions is nice and works in those versions, but the fact that they are always supposedly teens but were always portrayed more like adults is kind of strange really. The Nick show is a nice change of pace and it's nice to actually see them come across more like the age they say they are. Which, even if you can't see it, is a plus, because assuming the show still lasts for a while, having them actually act like the kids that they are gives the show room to actually let them grow up. Rather than being stuck at one mentality the whole time. We've already seen this with Leo, he already is more serious, etc., than he was when the series started. The events of the end of season 2 forced him to grow up a bit and he has. He's not lame...he's just young. If this show lasted a long time or was continued into an older version, I am sure this young Leo is headed in the direction of being much like the older-seeming versions of Leo we already know.

He's been my fave forever and love this youngster as much as the other versions. Personally I think they've done fairly well by him.

The last series already starts with them being highly trained, it worked there. This time we're seeing them still learning and growing. If you don't like the possibility for gradual development of characters and prefer they start off at the top and stay there, well then stick with the series you do like, that's all I can suggest. This one is it's own thing and isn't going to become what you want.

I think you summed this up really well...this is how I feel 100%.

[victory_angel]

Originally Posted by IndigoErth

So you simply failed to recognize that this show has purposely portrayed them young like that?

The maturity of other versions is nice and works in those versions, but the fact that they are always supposedly teens but were always portrayed more like adults is kind of strange really. The Nick show is a nice change of pace and it's nice to actually see them come across more like the age they say they are. Which, even if you can't see it, is a plus, because assuming the show still lasts for a while, having them actually act like the kids that they are gives the show room to actually let them grow up. Rather than being stuck at one mentality the whole time. We've already seen this with Leo, he already is more serious, etc., than he was when the series started. The events of the end of season 2 forced him to grow up a bit and he has. He's not lame...he's just young. If this show lasted a long time or was continued into an older version, I am sure this young Leo is headed in the direction of being much like the older-seeming versions of Leo we already know.

He's been my fave forever and love this youngster as much as the other versions. Personally I think they've done fairly well by him.

The last series already starts with them being highly trained, it worked there. This time we're seeing them still learning and growing. If you don't like the possibility for gradual development of characters and prefer they start off at the top and stay there, well then stick with the series you do like, that's all I can suggest. This one is it's own thing and isn't going to become what you want

This...so this.

I find it refreshing to have the Turtles start as kids who are on the cusp of adulthood. But still be immature enough to grow, learn and, develop into the cohesive family unit that we all know and love in other incarnations.

The OT they were all immature adults, but that worked because the show was comedic. So naturally they all acted like college frat boys.

The 2k3 was based off the mirage comics. However the characters were so mature you would be hard pressed to see them as anything younger then 18-19 years old at the start of the series.

Even the IDW makes it difficult to see them as teenagers at times.

But that worked for those versions. This one all the Turtles are properly acting their age.

[Powder]

Originally Posted by GiveMeBackMyRaphXLeo

N guess u kno wjat im gettin at when i said he look like a dove

Nobody has ever known what you're getting at. Ever.

[ssjup81]

Originally Posted by IndigoErth

You and me both. And I think close to everyone else. Shredder should be mad the mind control thing was broken so easily.



Karai isn't even human anymore. Heck, Leo is too 'human' for her now. She's not getting a human guy any time soon, if ever.

This is why I feel this will get revisited in the future. They broke out too easily.

[Ashwolf]

Originally Posted by ssjup81

This is why I feel this will get revisited in the future. They broke out too easily.

thinking on it, if raph does get affected by mind control again and unable 2 break free like be4, it might make the outcome 10x worse than if he was just affected once over a period of eps, that is if they intend on it causing psych trauma

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

Originally Posted by ssjup81

This is why I feel this will get revisited in the future. They broke out too easily.

A main character got turned into plant, was reborn, and had Zero effect on him down the road. Another Turtle got zits, to the point he whole body was ready to explode at any minute, and had zero effect on him down the road. Slash brutally attacked Mikey and Don, and yet they were fairly/pretty much hunky-dory with Slash by the next time...pretty weird considering he gave them some of the biggest beat downs in the show's history.

Continuity is not much of a thing on this show.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by Ramboraph4life aka Matt

A main character got turned into plant, was reborn, and had Zero effect on him down the road. Another Turtle got zits, to the point he whole body was ready to explode at any minute, and had zero effect on him down the road. Slash brutally attacked Mikey and Don, and yet they were fairly/pretty much hunky-dory with Slash by the next time...pretty weird considering he gave them some of the biggest beat downs in the show's history.

Continuity is not much of a thing on this show.

You can say this and any show where characters get beaten up and are fine in the next ep. Be glad Leonardo's injuries lasted an arc.

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

You can say this and any show where characters get beaten up and are fine in the next ep. Be glad Leonardo's injuries lasted an arc.

You mean the one where a character (aka Leo) got out of the coma that he was in for months, only in the same episode stand his ground (and do pretty damn good for a guy who just woke up) against an almost unstoppable enemy like The Creep, while certain others got taken out in 3 seconds?

Leo must be part Steven Seagal from Hard to Kill to manage that stuff.

Yeah, I'm ecstatic about that...

Now I know why one of the tags on this thread is 'cybercubeddefendsall'. How about you go find another person who works on the show, so you can run that person off too...

[CyberCubed]

I don't know why it bothers you when Leo is shown to be more capable than the other turtles, its always been like that.

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

I don't know why it bothers you when Leo is shown to be more capable than the other turtles, its always been like that.

There's being 'more capable'...and then there's 'waking up after being in a coma for months and yet doing better in less than 24 Hours than others who Weren't in a coma'...making some of the others seem that much more, what's the word I'm looking, oh yeah. Worthless. And yes, I'm especially talking about Raph.

If you can't understand that? Then all I have for you is either or

[Shark_Blade]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

I don't know why it bothers you when Leo is shown to be more capable than the other turtles, its always been like that.

Leo capable than the rest? Pfft, yeah right. NOT!

- Leo tossed by Raph in the very first episode (Rise of the Turtles) during weapon duel training.
- Leo defeated by ALL his brothers in Follow the Leader. Then Raph tossed his sword stained by marker with the words: "Lame-o-nardo"
- Leo bitch-slapped by Mikey on the face during training in the dojo embarassing him in front of Karai. (Vengeance is mine).


Ha! The awkward "leader" in blue still have much to learn.

[IndigoErth]

He's also more than once come close to losing his life so that the others will live. If it wasn't just a cartoon I'd say have some respect. They're all going to have some weak moments no matter how capable.



I agree it was rather too fast bouncing back from the coma though. You'd think he'd have been a bit foggy headed, fatigued, and out of shape...

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

Originally Posted by IndigoErth

I agree it was rather too fast bouncing back from the coma though. You'd think he'd have been a bit foggy headed, fatigued, and out of shape...

Exactly. Just look at the Cousin Sid episode of the 2003 cartoon. All the Turtles were busted up (Mikey had broken legs, etc.) from their last encounter with the Shredder. Raph's ribs were still busted, making Mikey have the idea to 'hide' Raph in a closet (or such, despite Raph's objections). They had bad injuries (but none as bad as a coma), but it didn't have Raph bust out and go to town on everyone in the Same Episode.

Or it'd be like in the first movie, after waking up from the coma, if the makers of the film would have had Raph immediately fight the Shredder and hold his own against him on the same day. I Guarantee you'd have people complaining left & right about that...even if it's just a "kid's film".

[senpai]

I just noticed the tags at the bottom of this thread. lol what the heck <3

[ssjup81]

Originally Posted by Ramboraph4life aka Matt

A main character got turned into plant, was reborn, and had Zero effect on him down the road. Another Turtle got zits, to the point he whole body was ready to explode at any minute, and had zero effect on him down the road. Slash brutally attacked Mikey and Don, and yet they were fairly/pretty much hunky-dory with Slash by the next time...pretty weird considering he gave them some of the biggest beat downs in the show's history.

Continuity is not much of a thing on this show.

I'll have to respectfully disagree. Shredder wants control over Karai and to make Splinter suffer. They broke free way too easily. I couldn't see him not trying his best to gain control or force Baxter to try again or make it stronger. Shredder's hatred has been consistent the entire series.

[victory_angel]

Originally Posted by ssjup81

I'll have to respectfully disagree. Shredder wants control over Karai and to make Splinter suffer. They broke free way too easily. I couldn't see him not trying his best to gain control or force Baxter to try again or make it stronger. Shredder's hatred has been consistent the entire series.

Agreed. They even blatantly say they want to test the serum first so they didn't have any mishaps when they use it on Karai. Now that they know intense emotion negates the effects of the serum, they may uses a memory blocking or memory erasing agent to prevent the emotions from being an issue.

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

Originally Posted by ssjup81

Shredder's hatred has been consistent the entire series.

Well, I hope so. He's the main bad guy. If he fell in love with them in the middle of it, then it'd be pretty damn weird. So of course his 'hate is consistent'.

Also, how am I wrong on the other stuff? Raph got turned into a plant, and turned back. Never mentioned or thought of again. The family got beat the living hell out of them by Slash, by the next 'Full' showing of Slash, he was pretty much turned back into a 'Decent Guy' and the family didn't have the ill will of folks that got almost beat to death by this person/thing. Various other examples.

Mikey's hug to Raph at the end of Season 2, to calm Raph down from his rage. That was a scene most people on the forum thought was a Great Moment. You'd think it would come into play again in the future/down the road (Mikey turning Raph to the Light Side, or etc). But nope (and please, don't got 'it will in the future', i would bet Top Dollar on that not happening).

[IndigoErth]

Originally Posted by Ramboraph4life aka Matt

If he fell in love with them in the middle of it, then it'd be pretty damn weird.

Now I want to see some twisted version where Shredder is a psychopath who actually had a thing for Yoshi and is vengeful because Yoshi wouldn't let Shredder love him. Exacerbated by an irrational belief that Yoshi got mutated on purpose to avoid him.

[Luckyday]

Originally Posted by ssjup81

I'll have to respectfully disagree. Shredder wants control over Karai and to make Splinter suffer. They broke free way too easily. I couldn't see him not trying his best to gain control or force Baxter to try again or make it stronger. Shredder's hatred has been consistent the entire series.

From my perspective, I guess it depends how you look at it. Continuity to me requires building on the foundation but your description sounds like status quo or non changing foundation that the shows needs in order to work. The whole thing with Shredder wanting to control Karai is slowly become the status quo rather then going with the next step in continuity, which in my mind would have been Shredder declaring that Karai is dead to him, and vows to kill her as a traitor along with Splinter.

[victory_angel]

Originally Posted by Luckyday

From my perspective, I guess it depends how you look at it. Continuity to me requires building on the foundation but your description sounds like status quo or non changing foundation that the shows needs in order to work. The whole thing with Shredder wanting to control Karai is slowly become the status quo rather then going with the next step in continuity, which in my mind would have been Shredder declaring that Karai is dead to him, and vows to kill her as a traitor along with Splinter.

He want to force loyalty with Karai because in his twisted mind he still thinks of her as his daughter even though he has said that Splinter is truly her father. As he told the turtles.

"I'm the one who raised her, cared for her!"

So the next step in if this mind control thing doesn't work is declaring Karai a lost cause and killing her as a way of destroying Splinter's spirit. Kinda in a "If I can't have her...no one will" frame of mind.