Talkback: Laird's 2k3 development notes! - Page 3

**Machias Banshee** · 09-05-2010, 07:56 PM

Here we go, threads merged...

*Prowler* · 09-09-2010, 06:58 AM

Regardless of Peter Laird being a douche or not some of the writers original ideas were bad. Also, when a comic/manga is adapted to a TV series, the writers tend to take liberties with the source material and bastardize it, no wonder most people prefer the original material. Sometimes you have to stand up for what you believe whether people find it rude or not so I agree with Peter in this case

Nelson · 09-09-2010, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Sabacooza

If anything, the way Peter responded was rude. So the script was horrible. I get that but he could've conducted himself in a more mature manner.

That's true, especially considering that Peter is not that good of a writer himself.

Plus many of the earlier TMNT comics had the most embarrassing typos...

**Venom** · 09-09-2010, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Prowler

you have to stand up for what you believe

Now THAT'S Turtle Power!

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Originally Posted by Nelson

Plus many of the earlier TMNT comics had the most embarrassing typos...

That's because Kevin did a lot of the lettering in theh early books and has admitted to not being the best of spellers.

LioConvoy · 10-17-2010, 07:56 PM

Oh man...thank you so much for posting these!!

*oldmanwinters* · 02-06-2011, 08:35 PM

Not a true entry in the 2k3 development notes, but I figured I'd mention that Laird has posted his conceptual thoughts on the look of the Ultimate Ninja-Drako hybrid:
http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....o-designs.html

*oldmanwinters* · 03-24-2011, 08:14 PM

I've updated links in the original post to reflect Peter Laird's new "twain" blog format (HT to Archon Turtle for that word!)

Peter Laird's original blog now has a strict "NO TMNT" policy:
http://plairdblog.blogspot.com/2011/...this-blog.html

All past and future TMNT items have been moved to:
http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot.com/

jaymq · 03-27-2011, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by oldmanwinters

All past and future TMNT items have been moved to:
http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot.com/

Good to know, thanks!

*BubblyShell22* · 03-28-2011, 08:15 AM

I really liked looking at these notes and am pleased that Peter had such a say in the development of the episodes. Yes, he did seem harsh with some things, but I can understand why. Good writers proofread their work before sending it off. It seems as though some of these writers just wrote stuff and never checked it over.

Great find.

*oldmanwinters* · 06-09-2011, 05:05 PM

More updates courtesy of Laird's TMNT blog!

Some interesting commentary on the production of "Junklantis," "April's Artifact," "Rogue in the House Pt.1&2," and "The Darkness Within!"

http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....velopment.html

http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....otes-from.html

*Index updated on first page*

FlippytheMaster · 06-09-2011, 06:03 PM

Interesting stuff. I always wondered what Mr. Laird thought about drastically changing Shredder's origin and now I can see that he thought it up! So that's pretty cool, less unsettling than I would have thought.

*ToTheNines* · 06-09-2011, 06:05 PM

I think it's pretty cool that Pete shaped this turtle-verse the way he did. Now it's Kevin's turn with the IDW comics

*oldmanwinters* · 06-10-2011, 12:53 AM

Hmm... I would have liked to have seen concept art for the proposed "vampiric April" and "monster Raph in mirror" ideas that Peter Laird ultimately thought was too cliche. But I'm guessing those ideas never really got any further than the scripting process. I do think Darkness Within was one of the series' most awesome episodes in its final form, so kudos to Peter for that if he had some influence!

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I think the whole "Turtles experience nightmares induced by monster" bit could very successfully be tweaked to reveal more of our characters' personalities/dreams without the cliched "vampiric April" and "monster Raph in mirror", etc. What I suggest is that the monster does in fact ensnare them, but instead of nightmares, it reaches into their minds and creates scenarios based on what they desire -- attacking them at their weakest.

Although his alternative proposals didn't exactly make it into the episode, if I remember:

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For example, Leo could dream of being a great warrior hero, lauded by the masses and set upon a throne, a Shogun. Mike could be seen with all of the snack foods and toys and STUFF that he could ever want in a giant mansion or estate (think Michael Jackson's Neverland Ranch to the tenth power). Don's fantasy might be of having access to any kinds of technology or gadgets his heart desires. And so on.
Now, they could struggle and eventually free themselves in a manner like what is in the premise, but I was thinking that it might be even more fun and cooler to bring Splinter into the scenario, and have the twist be that HE can defeat this monster because, as a master of Zen, he desires NOTHING ... and it drives the greed monster crazy.

And looks like Peter's suggestion to leave out Angel didn't fly:

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I also wonder about bringing Angel back in this story, which doesn't really seem to have much to do with her or her brother -- they're just convenient props to get the story rolling. To my mind, it might work better if it were either April or Casey or both of them who bring the Turtles into the fray.

*ToTheNines* · 06-14-2011, 04:38 AM

I'd LOVE to see the notes on "City at War"... I really want to know how much it bothered Pete to see his epic conclusion to Volume 1 totally shat upon.

*BubblyShell22* · 06-14-2011, 07:30 AM

Yeah, but those notes might not be available.

*Xav* · 06-14-2011, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by ToTheNines

I'd LOVE to see the notes on "City at War"... I really want to know how much it bothered Pete to see his epic conclusion to Volume 1 totally shat upon.

You can in the second link.

FlippytheMaster · 06-14-2011, 02:11 PM

I actually sort of like how he's playing the devil's advocate while commenting on this stuff. I know it might make him seem like a curmudgeonly old man but SOMEONE'S gotta point out the mistakes. The first rule of writing is that if, when you show somebody your work, the only things they say are good things, go find someone else. This helps you fix mistakes you make and improve your writing overall. So to all the people who are saying he sounds embittered: He's just being a good critic, it's WHY they got him to do that.

*ToTheNines* · 06-14-2011, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Xav

You can in the second link.

Thanks man.

WHY WHY WHY WHY didn't they listen to Pete???? Ugh. Those notes make me HATE the city at war episodes even more. I'll probably never watch them again.

*oldmanwinters* · 06-20-2011, 10:37 AM

Laird shares his thoughts (and expresses his confusion) about Bishop's character history and motivation:
http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....otes-from.html

It appears these ideas/suggestions from Laird ended up having a significant influence on Bishop's evolution.

*BubblyShell22* · 06-21-2011, 06:43 AM

That's awesome how Laird made Bishop cool. Thanks for sharing the link.

02-06-2011, 08:35 PM	#46
oldmanwinters Overlord Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Between yesterday and tomorrow! Posts: 15,480	Not a true entry in the 2k3 development notes, but I figured I'd mention that Laird has posted his conceptual thoughts on the look of the Ultimate Ninja-Drako hybrid: http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....o-designs.html __________________ Experience the TMNT Fan Commentaries! Check out my TMNT fan comic, "Nothing to Fear"! View my sketch work! I'm selling some of my hard-to-find TMNT items! Last edited by oldmanwinters; 03-24-2011 at 08:12 PM.

03-24-2011, 08:14 PM	#47
oldmanwinters Overlord Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Between yesterday and tomorrow! Posts: 15,480	Peter Laird: Mutant No More? I've updated links in the original post to reflect Peter Laird's new "twain" blog format (HT to Archon Turtle for that word!) Peter Laird's original blog now has a strict "NO TMNT" policy: http://plairdblog.blogspot.com/2011/...this-blog.html All past and future TMNT items have been moved to: http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot.com/ __________________ Experience the TMNT Fan Commentaries! Check out my TMNT fan comic, "Nothing to Fear"! View my sketch work! I'm selling some of my hard-to-find TMNT items! Last edited by oldmanwinters; 03-24-2011 at 08:23 PM.

03-28-2011, 08:15 AM	#49
BubblyShell22 Leo-holic Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Indiana Posts: 16,912	I really liked looking at these notes and am pleased that Peter had such a say in the development of the episodes. Yes, he did seem harsh with some things, but I can understand why. Good writers proofread their work before sending it off. It seems as though some of these writers just wrote stuff and never checked it over. Great find. __________________ "A warrior who never fails, never learns."-The Ancient One. "Embrace your inner a**holiness."-Mr. Anderson.

06-09-2011, 05:05 PM	#50
oldmanwinters Overlord Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Between yesterday and tomorrow! Posts: 15,480	Updates! More updates courtesy of Laird's TMNT blog! Some interesting commentary on the production of "Junklantis," "April's Artifact," "Rogue in the House Pt.1&2," and "The Darkness Within!" http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....velopment.html http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....otes-from.html Index updated on first page __________________ Experience the TMNT Fan Commentaries! Check out my TMNT fan comic, "Nothing to Fear"! View my sketch work! I'm selling some of my hard-to-find TMNT items!

06-14-2011, 07:30 AM	#55
BubblyShell22 Leo-holic Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Indiana Posts: 16,912	Yeah, but those notes might not be available. __________________ "A warrior who never fails, never learns."-The Ancient One. "Embrace your inner a**holiness."-Mr. Anderson.

09-05-2010, 07:56 PM	#41
Machias Banshee Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 17,163	Here we go, threads merged...

09-09-2010, 06:58 AM	#42
Prowler Emperor Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,998	Regardless of Peter Laird being a douche or not some of the writers original ideas were bad. Also, when a comic/manga is adapted to a TV series, the writers tend to take liberties with the source material and bastardize it, no wonder most people prefer the original material. Sometimes you have to stand up for what you believe whether people find it rude or not so I agree with Peter in this case

10-17-2010, 07:56 PM	#45
LioConvoy Random Punk Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 44	Oh man...thank you so much for posting these!!

06-09-2011, 06:03 PM	#51
FlippytheMaster Random Punk Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Right behind you. Posts: 47	Interesting stuff. I always wondered what Mr. Laird thought about drastically changing Shredder's origin and now I can see that he thought it up! So that's pretty cool, less unsettling than I would have thought.

06-09-2011, 06:05 PM	#52
ToTheNines Col. Stinkmeaner Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 19,227	I think it's pretty cool that Pete shaped this turtle-verse the way he did. Now it's Kevin's turn with the IDW comics

06-14-2011, 04:38 AM	#54
ToTheNines Col. Stinkmeaner Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 19,227	I'd LOVE to see the notes on "City at War"... I really want to know how much it bothered Pete to see his epic conclusion to Volume 1 totally shat upon.

06-14-2011, 02:11 PM	#57
FlippytheMaster Random Punk Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Right behind you. Posts: 47	I actually sort of like how he's playing the devil's advocate while commenting on this stuff. I know it might make him seem like a curmudgeonly old man but SOMEONE'S gotta point out the mistakes. The first rule of writing is that if, when you show somebody your work, the only things they say are good things, go find someone else. This helps you fix mistakes you make and improve your writing overall. So to all the people who are saying he sounds embittered: He's just being a good critic, it's WHY they got him to do that.

06-20-2011, 10:37 AM	#59
oldmanwinters Overlord Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Between yesterday and tomorrow! Posts: 15,480	Update! Laird shares his thoughts (and expresses his confusion) about Bishop's character history and motivation: http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....otes-from.html It appears these ideas/suggestions from Laird ended up having a significant influence on Bishop's evolution. __________________ Experience the TMNT Fan Commentaries! Check out my TMNT fan comic, "Nothing to Fear"! View my sketch work! I'm selling some of my hard-to-find TMNT items!

06-21-2011, 06:43 AM	#60
BubblyShell22 Leo-holic Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Indiana Posts: 16,912	That's awesome how Laird made Bishop cool. Thanks for sharing the link. __________________ "A warrior who never fails, never learns."-The Ancient One. "Embrace your inner a**holiness."-Mr. Anderson.