What's Up With The Pizza Boxes? - Page 28

Toon · 03-31-2011, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeGro

The physical visage of the characters that I've come to know and love over the last 20+ years is being destroyed. I understand modernizing, updating, and re-imagining, but this show doesn't hold true to any of it's previous counterparts.

With this, everything else you offer loses credibility.

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Originally Posted by JoeGro

There have been incarnations that I was less thrilled about in the past (Fast Forward, Next Mutation) but even those shows carry more of the essence of what the Turtles are than what I saw at Nickelodeon Animation Studios on Wednesday.

Also, with this.

*Roseangelo* · 03-31-2011, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Toon

It was like this from day one; at one point I honestly didn't know which way we were gonna go with it because it kept fluctuating. Not a big deal by any means, but I def prefer two toes.

On a side-note, Rose, I'm wondering to myself what the "dealbreaker" was for all of you. I suspect I know, but still curious...

Hi Alex!

If I PM you about these things is that allowable, or trouble territory?

**Jester** · 03-31-2011, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Archon_Turtle

Youre right. They look terrible. There hasnt been a worse look for the turtles in history.

Spoiler:

Definitely couldn't have done worse. Damn.

/Sarcasm

AHHHH! Kill it with fire!

Sergio517 · 03-31-2011, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Archon_Turtle

Youre right. They look terrible. There hasnt been a worse look for the turtles in history.

Definitely couldn't have done worse. Damn.

/Sarcasm

Thanks for making me sicker.

Hence why I don't like those either. What does that have to do with this garbage though? There's been ugly recreations of the turtles before so this nick stuff HAS to be good? Is that your point? Help me out here.

JoeGro · 03-31-2011, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Toon

With this, everything else you offer loses credibility.

Also, with this.

So no reasoning as to why? It's called an opinion, were you there?

**Jester** · 04-01-2011, 12:00 AM

Actually, yes he was. That's Alex Deligiannis, he works for Nickelodeon.

JoeGro · 04-01-2011, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Jester

Actually, yes he was. That's Alex Deligiannis, he works for Nickelodeon.

Oh well then that's not a biased opinion on his behalf at all is it?

*Roseangelo* · 04-01-2011, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Jester

Actually, yes he was. That's Alex Deligiannis, he works for Nickelodeon.

Not only does he work there, but he was one of the crew involved in making the animatic of the pilot we saw.

*sdp* · 04-01-2011, 12:15 AM

Maybe the dealbreaker was Venus or some type of extra turtle or non-turtle female mutant that is part of the group in not a mentor role but a role in the layer along with Splinter. The fandom always seems to agree that they hate the idea of an extra mutant turtle like Venus added to the origin so I guess something similar like that could be the deal breaker.

Oh hey Joe don't feel attacked by the fandom, I think its good that they got a mostly negative opinion as well since different opinions are always more helpful than one over and over again, and hey if Andrew NDB had gone I'm sure he would have had more negative things to say than you.

Toon · 04-01-2011, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by JoeGro

So no reasoning as to why? It's called an opinion, were you there?

I completely respect opinions! I bet that we share some similar ones on this thing. But when you stay things like "this show doesn't hold true to any previous counterparts," that's not really an opinion.

JoeGro · 04-01-2011, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Roseangelo

Not only does he work there, but he was one of the crew involved in making the animatic of the pilot we saw.

Well I have respect for anyone that works in any form of animation, it's not the animation work itself that was an issue for me, I realize it's a lot of work and I can appreciate hard work and artistic merit. Sorry, but luckily for Nick I seem to be the black sheep. What does my opinion matter? I've only been a fan of the TMNT for a little over two decades, I guess that's not enough to count for anything. Oh well.

JoeGro · 04-01-2011, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Toon

I completely respect opinions! I bet that we share some similar ones on this thing. But when you stay things like "this show doesn't hold true to any previous counterparts," that's not really an opinion.

On a somewhat-related side note, I don't know if the fans that came in were made aware of this, but the main reference for this thing, from day one onward, was a longbox containing the entire Vol. 1 run of the Mirage books.

I realize that the show is still in progress, but what we were shown (aside from a few visual aspects here and there) doesn't really reflect anything from the Mirage Comics, oh except for having the same title and the characters having the same names. But, once again...what do I know? I'm just some guy.

Toon · 04-01-2011, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by sdp

Oh hey Joe don't feel attacked by the fandom, I think its good that they got a mostly negative opinion as well.

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Originally Posted by JoeGro

What does my opinion matter? I've only been a fan of the TMNT for a little over two decades, I guess that's not enough to count for anything. Oh well.

It's ABSOLUTELY a good thing that you had criticism to give. And your opinion most definitely matters; you were chosen to share it, after all!

*Kendamu* · 04-01-2011, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Toon

On a somewhat-related side note, I don't know if the fans that came in were made aware of this, but the main reference for this thing, from day one onward, was a longbox containing the entire Vol. 1 run of the Mirage books.

There wasn't a smiley that conveyed my feelings on this issue. So I made this:

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JoeGro · 04-01-2011, 12:31 AM

And let me be clear on this because I'm not trying to be the "meanie" of the group I just know what I like and what I don't like. I've also been a huge fan of a lot of Nickelodeons animated programs over the years, it just doesn't look like the new TMNT is going to be one I add to that list. But hey, only time will tell. I'm usually an extremely nice guy, but TMNT is my passion and I'm very stern in my opinions and thoughts that pertain to it is all.

JoeGro · 04-01-2011, 12:34 AM

and just as a side note from me Toon, I just realized who you were, I actually dig your art style a great deal.

**Jester** · 04-01-2011, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Toon

But again, it's good for them to hear from "descenters" too

You making fun of me?

j/k

*Roseangelo* · 04-01-2011, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Goongasnootch

There wasn't a smiley that conveyed my feelings on this issue. So I made this:

I don't know if it's usual for him to keep it at the office, or if he just brought it in for the day, but the EP on the series, Ciro Nieli, totally waved a #1 first print in front of us as if it was no big deal - complete with all the other oversized first print books. The dude is the real deal. Oh, and he also has the most awesome painting of Donatello playing croquet with Mr. T.

Sergio517 · 04-01-2011, 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by JoeGro

And let me be clear on this because I'm not trying to be the "meanie" of the group I just know what I like and what I don't like. I've also been a huge fan of a lot of Nickelodeons animated programs over the years, it just doesn't look like the new TMNT is going to be one I add to that list. But hey, only time will tell. I'm usually an extremely nice guy, but TMNT is my passion and I'm very stern in my opinions and thoughts that pertain to it is all.

Completely agree with you there. I'm the same.

JoeGro · 04-01-2011, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Roseangelo

I don't know if it's usual for him to keep it at the office, or if he just brought it in for the day, but the EP on the series, Ciro Nieli, totally waved a #1 first print in front of us as if it was no big deal - complete with all the other oversized first print books. The dude is the real deal. Oh, and he also has the most awesome painting of Donatello playing croquet with Mr. T.

I thought that painting was pretty awesome and hilarious myself.

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JoeGro Foot Soldier Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: NC Posts: 119	And let me be clear on this because I'm not trying to be the "meanie" of the group I just know what I like and what I don't like. I've also been a huge fan of a lot of Nickelodeons animated programs over the years, it just doesn't look like the new TMNT is going to be one I add to that list. But hey, only time will tell. I'm usually an extremely nice guy, but TMNT is my passion and I'm very stern in my opinions and thoughts that pertain to it is all.

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JoeGro Foot Soldier Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: NC Posts: 119	and just as a side note from me Toon, I just realized who you were, I actually dig your art style a great deal.