How does the IDW series compare to the Mirage series?

[Matches Malone]

Originally Posted by Spitfire

Or just make him Chrell.

It has been suggested to combine the two characters and essentially the only differences (besides one being the Shredder) were that Krang was not technically an Utrom and that Ch'rell was actually a somewhat competent threat to the turtles. So if they make Krang halfway competent, he's already basically Ch'rell which is cool with me.

[Spitfire]

Chrell was clearly Krang already. My point was making Krang a rogue Utrom wouldn't exactly be an original idea. Also I think Turtles Forever made it pretty clear that the 2K3 Shredder was the most dangerous of them all.

[CyberCubed]

The point of Ch'rell is he took over the identity of Shredder and pretended to be Oroku Saki.

Krang on the other hand is the warlord of Dimension x and should stay that way. I don't want Ch'rell and Krang to be the same character.

[Venom]

Originally Posted by Spitfire

Turtles Forever made it pretty clear that the 2K3 Shredder was the most dangerous of them all.

Yep, a cybernetic suit was the most dangerous version of all the Shredder mantle holders.

My opinion is that without the suit Ch'rell would eventually end up on the wrong side of someone's weapon. It just seems like he was always at his most "badassiest" when piloting a suit. Sure, he survived on the asteroid in stasis because there were no threats; he was able to kick the snot out of FW Shreder & Krang because their whole universe was shown as physically weaker than the 2k3verse.

Even though Ch'rell had allegedly killed millions, I'm sure it was all from the safety of his little hidey hole in his suit's tummy.

[FearlessLeader]

Originally Posted by Venom

Yep, a cybernetic suit was the most dangerous version of all the Shredder mantle holders.

My opinion is that without the suit Ch'rell would eventually end up on the wrong side of someone's weapon. It just seems like he was always at his most "badassiest" when piloting a suit. Sure, he survived on the asteroid in stasis because there were no threats; he was able to kick the snot out of FW Shreder & Krang because their whole universe was shown as physically weaker than the 2k3verse.

Even though Ch'rell had allegedly killed millions, I'm sure it was all from the safety of his little hidey hole in his suit's tummy.

I always assumed not that Ch'rell was the most psychically threatening of the "Shredders" because let's face it when he tried to actually attack the Turtles in the Utrom strong hold on his own it was more comedic then scary.

I do think he might be the most ruthless of all the "Shredders" and maybe that was what they meant. He had no qualms with killing anyone that stood in his way even his adopted daughter or loyal lackeys.

[pannoni1]

I wish there was a "your mileage may vary" option. I'd say better on some aspects, and not as good on others. But it's definitely the best series since Mirage and may be better than Archie even. Given that we're older and been through a lot after many years, we can be more patient waiting for something to happen. I find this more like a syndicated series, where storylines take many years and even decades to develop, as opposed to Mirage Vol. 1 which is like a movie or mini-series where all the action happens quickly. As a result, the more issues that get released, the more enjoyable I find it to start from scratch and do a run-through The only negative is not enough pages per issue.

[Jester]

I voted "Just as good" because for all of Mirage's greatness it has it's faults, and for all of IDW's faults it has it's greatness. It is still way too early, and I'd have voted such, but I know that though there are things that frustrate me about the IDW series, I still can't hardly wait a month to pick up my next fix...er...issue.

[Venom]

Originally Posted by FearlessLeader

I do think he might be the most ruthless of all the "Shredders" and maybe that was what they meant. He had no qualms with killing anyone that stood in his way even his adopted daughter or loyal lackeys.

Or the whole plane of existence!

I can agree with that.

[Jester]

Originally Posted by Venom

Or the whole plane of existence!

I can agree with that.

Blame the universal constant of "The Shredder's big fat ego."

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Spitfire

Also I think Turtles Forever made it pretty clear that the 2K3 Shredder was the most dangerous of them all.

While also doing nothing to argue that the 2K3 Shredder was also the most one dimensional Shredder of them all. And I don't like that a lot of people seem to equate how dangerous he is with quality of character... I mean, is Galactus the greatest villain character of all time because he eats worlds for breakfast? Of course not, that's stupid.

I'm not saying I wouldn't take 2K3 Shredder over Fred Wolf Shredder, but it's true -- he has no character arc or real dimension or personality beyond "I'm sooo evil!"

[Andrew NDB]

And about the topic and vote, I still have to reserve mine until I see the resolution of the first major story arc that includes the Turtles fighting an equivalent threat. I still feel even at #6 like we've only quasi-moved past the (expanded) origin story, so I don't feel comfortable wholly praising or damning any part of it yet.

If I had to quickly summarize my feelings so far? It's a well-written but somewhat incomplete (I suspect that aspect will be rectified in time) origin story with the promise of some kind of big, epic story arc to come that we don't have a lot of/any details about just yet. So that doesn't seem like a good enough platform to say one way or the other on the series or overall vision right now, whether weighed against Mirage or in general.

[Spitfire]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

While also doing nothing to argue that the 2K3 Shredder was also the most one dimensional Shredder of them all. And I don't like that a lot of people seem to equate how dangerous he is with quality of character... I mean, is Galactus the greatest villain character of all time because he eats worlds for breakfast? Of course not, that's stupid.

I'm not saying I wouldn't take 2K3 Shredder over Fred Wolf Shredder, but it's true -- he has no character arc or real dimension or personality beyond "I'm sooo evil!"

I won't argue that. The most evil characters tend to be the one sighted ones. All he cared about was killing all turtles even if it meant his own death. One dimensional certainly but he was willing to kill himself if it meant the turtles were dead too. That's more dangerous then anything the other Shredder's did. Except maybe Shredder doing himself in at the end of SOOT but it wasn't on that level.

[Jester]

Originally Posted by Spitfire

That's more dangerous then anything the other Shredder's did. Except maybe Shredder doing himself in at the end of SOOT but it wasn't on that level.

SHREDDER!! YOU'VE GOTTA LISTEN TO REASON! YOU'LL DESTROY US ALL!

THEN SO BE IT!

Then he just kills himself...

Epic Fail.

[Leo656]

At least he got to be Kevin Nash for about 30 seconds. That's more than most people get, I'd kill for that.

[Candy Kappa]

Not really that unique of Ch'rell, Mirage Shredder had a hand grenade ready and tried to use it to wipe himself and the turtles.

[Hermano Dyvas]

Originally Posted by Kiwamu The Kappa

Not really that unique of Ch'rell, Mirage Shredder had a hand grenade ready and tried to use it to wipe himself and the turtles.

Yeah but at that point Mirage Shredder was already dying. Ch'rell was in tip top shape. Not really a fair comparison.

He is one dimensional but he is the most dangerous Shredder, except maybe for the Tengu Shredder although I don't think the latter would kill himself just to get rid of the TMNT.

[Spitfire]

The thing about Chrell was he wasn't just content killing the turtles of his universe he had to kill them all. Even Tengu Shredder was more rational then that.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Originally Posted by Kiwamu The Kappa

Not really that unique of Ch'rell, Mirage Shredder had a hand grenade ready and tried to use it to wipe himself and the turtles.

1987 Shredder was probably most dangerous when the Technodrome was full-powered, but it didn't happen often.

[Hermano Dyvas]

Originally Posted by Swedenfan 1982

1987 Shredder was probably most dangerous when the Technodrome was full-powered, but it didn't happen often.

1987 Shredder goofy as he was was pretty cruel. In that episode with Shreeka he catches April while she is falling from the top of the new channel 6 building only to steal her ring, then he was going to drop her to fall the rest of the way down to her death. That's stone cold baby!

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

This book's already had some sweet kills in it, the Turtle's will follow suit.

Wowwww. Ouch. This might be my worst take ever lol.