Star Wars Episode 8

[Andrew NDB]

"Luke will train Rey." "There will be a big space battle." With more TIE-Fighters. And X-Wings. And Walkers this time, again.

That's all we learned, and we kind of figured both of these things. This teaser trailer is worthless.

Seems like I called it about Luke and Rey creating a new non-Jedi group of good Force users.

Jedi can be plural, so it could be that the Jedi order is coming to an end?

The Jedi Order has been dead since Episode III. Luke is just a straggler, trained by its remnants after it breathed its last gasp. Rey isn't even a Jedi yet, if ever.

[Shark_Blade]

I wonder if Carrie Fisher's gonna have any scene in Ep. 9?

[TigerClaw]

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[Allio]

Unless you take the supposed leaks to heart

[TigerClaw]

Rian Johnson has revealed the name of the new planet that is featured in the teaser, a planet called Crait, it's a mineral planet, and it plays a key role in the movie.
http://ew.com/movies/2017/04/14/star-wars-rian-johnson-last-jedi-planet/

Red. Blood red.

It’s the color scheme of the Last Jedi title. It dominates the sky in the teaser poster. In Star Wars lore, it’s traditionally a sign of evil. Darth Vader’s eyes had a faint red tinge, and his scarlet saber igniting in darkness could strike fear in the hearts of Rebel soldiers — just before striking them dead. (Kylo Ren’s crossguard lightsaber is red too, in honor of his grandfather.)

Rian Johnson, writer and director of the new film, employs this part of the spectrum for a specific reason, and we saw it prominently in the trailer, as speeders lined up in formation to fly along the surface of a new world, dragging stabilizers that rip up the scorched surface into blood-colored plumes of ash.

EW has exclusively learned the name of this world is Crait.

“It’s way out there. It’s very remote. It’s uncharted,” says Johnson. “It’s a mineral planet and so there are mines on it.” The director (previously best known for Brick and Looper) noted how there are some “beautiful design elements and I hope some really unique ones that we’re able to bring into it.”

The shot of these small ships darting toward gigantic walkers mimics the snowy Hoth battle sequence from The Empire Strikes Back, but this white crust is salt. “The white dusting of salt over this red, ruby-ish mineral base,” he says.

According to Johnson, Crait is the site of an “an old rebel base there that’s now abandoned” and the planet was one of the first things he had in mind when planning The Last Jedi.

“It ends up playing a key role in the movie,” he says, adding that the Resistance fighters — flying in the skimmers seen in the trailer — “show up where they have to deal with a very pressing and immediate threat.”

But what is the significance of the red surface that’s kicked up by the fighters? Red is the symbol of blood in basic human nature — but blood can stand for violence or family. Maybe both, in some cases.

Johnson nods at this. “Go ahead and run with that,” he says.

[sdp]

People seem to really take extremes with this trailer either they love it or hate it.

To me it's a bit "meh", a bit boring and nothing that gets me excited unlike the Rogue One reaser, Ep. VII teasers and first VII trailer which got me excited. I mostly agree with Andrew, we see things we expect from a SWs film and nothing more and the previous two movies that Disney has released don't really fill me with confidence. So I'm rather apathetic rather than hating it.


What ticks people off is that there was no reason to use a Laserdisc transfer for those DVDs. Prints of the original film still exist; it would have been easy to locate and digitize them. But because Lucas prefers his CGI ronto humor, he didn't expend any effort to give the original versions and sort of attention. They were low-quality releases. They could and should have looked better, and there are people today who have, on their own, gone and started the process the right way (look up '4k77').

It costs time and money, I understand being annoyed but not the "LUCAS HATES US" attitude.

[snake]

Confirmed a couple leaks, but yeah. Nothing to get me too excited. I'm not a mouthbreather fan that ejaculates and claps at the same time from seeing something they've seen in a previous film.

(Except if it's Mustafar, because I was THIS close to yelling "HOLY SH*T" when it popped up in Rogue One.)

[plastroncafe]

I'm stoked. I mean, not as much as I am for Thor, but I'm looking forward to this too. The hard part is going to be not getting spoiled between now and December.

[sdp]

For me it's not that hard to stay spoiler free, even for TFA I didn't really see any big spoilers after I had seen it out in the open. The few times I do get spoiled something is because I clicked somewhere and I thought the spoiler wouldn't be big or that I would be able to avoid it but those are mostly my own fault.

[CyberCubed]

Han Solo's death in Episode 7 was an obvious huge spoiler that was flying around the internet and all sorts of forums/social media sites leading up to its release and around its first week. It was nearly impossible to avoid.

[Shark_Blade]

I wonder if Carrie Fisher's gonna have any scene in Ep. 9?

Apparently not. Ep. 8 will be her last one.
http://comicbook.com/starwars/2017/04/15/star-wars-8-luke-skywalker-death-mark-hamill/#3

[ToTheNines]

(Except if it's Mustafar, because I was THIS close to yelling "HOLY SH*T" when it popped up in Rogue One.)

I did the same, but I was so perplexed when they didn't spell it out in the corner like they did literally every other planet they went to in the movie.

[sdp]

I avoided Han Solo's death without a problem; Though I expected him to die based on all the interviews Harrison Ford had done in the last decade. He always mentioned he wanted Han Solo to die and hated talking about Star Wars and mentioned he just wanted to make it all end so when you see him sign up happily for a new Star Wars movie, I knew he would've only agreed if he could have the character killed in that movie to shut people up.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

It costs time and money, I understand being annoyed but not the "LUCAS HATES US" attitude.

Time and money are two things Lucas has had bountiful amounts of for years.

(Except if it's Mustafar, because I was THIS close to yelling "HOLY SH*T" when it popped up in Rogue One.)

Woah woah woah what? Mustafar was in Rogue One? Was this the planet Vader was on?

[ToTheNines]

Time and money are two things Lucas has had bountiful amounts of for years.

Right? And like they wouldn't make money on such a thing.


Woah woah woah what? Mustafar was in Rogue One? Was this the planet Vader was on?

You got it. Like I said, it was the lone location that wasn't given a location tag, but it was the first thing I Googled after it was over. Pretty cool.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Huh; I thought it was some Sith planet.
Incidentally am I the only one who preferred that Vader scene to the one at the end?

[CyberCubed]

At least we're not getting another generic sand, snow or forest planet in this movie.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Oh, I think we are.

http://i.imgur.com/zW2A83Fl.png

They wanted a nice setting for an At-At battle, so this desert planet has a spot in the film.

[Shark_Blade]

You know, it's funny how it's so called other planet yet it still looks like earth. No wait, it is still earth! The sandy desert, the green forests, waterfall, pond, icy mountains. Blah.

At least Star Trek has jarring color palletes for other planets. Are they running out ideas?

[TigerClaw]

You know, it's funny how it's so called other planet yet it still looks like earth. No wait, it is still earth! The sandy desert, the green forests, waterfall, pond, icy mountains. Blah.

At least Star Trek has jarring color palletes for other planets. Are they running out ideas?
The name of that planet is Crait, Its a mineral planet made of hard rock salt.
http://ew.com/movies/2017/04/14/star-wars-rian-johnson-last-jedi-planet/

[sdp]

A generic planet is the least of my worries.

This being the "training movie" i think will mirror ESB's Dagobah training but twice as long, Kylo Ren will win the last fight of the movie a la Cloud City and there will be a "twist". Or maybe it'll just be a boring pointless movie like Rogue One.

[ProphetofGanja]

A generic planet is the least of my worries.

This being the "training movie" i think will mirror ESB's Dagobah training but twice as long, Kylo Ren will win the last fight of the movie a la Cloud City and there will be a "twist". Or maybe it'll just be a boring pointless movie like Rogue One.

Yeah, I'm predicting another Star Wars redux

[MikeandRaph87]

I thought I would share with you all this touching photo of Hamill, Ford, and Billie Lourd.
http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/mark-hamill-billie-lourd-is-so-much-like-mom-carrie-fisher-w476917

As for Carrie not being in Episode 9, I believe Disney was asking for permission if they chose to include her likeness in anyway it is greenlight and helps shape the script whether it be a flashback or something like the last moment of Rogue One or even leftover footage folded into Episode 9. Todd probably assumed it meant Xarrie would definitely be in the film from the permission request.

[TigerClaw]

Looks like Crait is gonna be part of Star Tours.
http://io9.gizmodo.com/the-last-jedi-planet-of-crait-is-coming-to-disneys-star-1794362087

[Andrew NDB]

I thought I would share with you all this touching photo of Hamill, Ford, and Billie Lourd.
http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/mark-hamill-billie-lourd-is-so-much-like-mom-carrie-fisher-w476917

Don't do it, Ford.

[AT-Man]

The poster made me think that Luke might be the secret villain of this movie.

[CyberCubed]

He won't be. You already have Kylo Ren as the form hero character turned bad.

[ToTheNines]

Don't do it, Ford.

Lol, look at his face...

The poster made me think that Luke might be the secret villain of this movie.

That'd be pretty cheesy. At best, I think he has a death wish, not unlike Obi-wan.

[TigerClaw]

According to Rian Johnson, Luke is the Last Jedi, So it's not plural.
https://moviepilot.com/p/last-jedi-singular-luke/4247490

[CyberCubed]

This may sound silly, but why is Billie Lourd's first name, "Billie?"

Isn't that a boy's name? Why did Carrie name her that?

[Allio]

in a lot of those names, "-ie" is a common replacement to make it more feminine. Think of it like "Billie Jean"

[Utrommaniac]

I've mostly noticed "Billie" as a girl's name in British/Australian stuff.

The newest companion in Doctor Who is a girl named Bill, and one of the characters in the show Offspring is the oldest sister of the Proudmans, Billie. I guess it's like how Charlie is slowly becoming a girl's name too.


Ashley and Leslie were boy names once upon a time too. And Ariel.

[Mayhem]

I know a guy called Ashley, he worked on some C64 titles in the early 90s as the machine wound down commercially. And Billie features more in Dr Who, as in Billie Piper aka Rose, the first companion in the revamp.

[AT-Man]

I know a guy called Ashley
http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/evildead/images/b/b1/Ash.png/revision/latest?cb=20140719001020
Groovy.

[Andrew NDB]

I didn't realize the teasers were this similar.

IE8nbiL_Msk

Lame.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

The more you pay attention to certain trends and similarities, the more you realize that trailer editing is largely a by-the-numbers job. But that's a very misleading video.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I didn't realize the teasers were this similar.

IE8nbiL_Msk

Lame.

WOW.

So instead of a direct copy of A New Hope, VIII will be a direct copy of The Force Awakens. :trazz:

I actually find that level of symmetry impressive. Artistic, you could say.

[sdp]

I didn't realize the teasers were this similar.

IE8nbiL_Msk

Lame.

And yet the episode vii trailer was much more exciting while viiis is boring.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

And yet the episode vii trailer was much more exciting while viiis is boring.

Well, c'mon. Episode 7 was the first new SW movie in over a decade. :tlol:

[TheSkeletonMan939]

TLJ trailer is just so vapid. The TFA trailer had to try to be interesting.

[NinjaPug]

I didn't realize the teasers were this similar.

IE8nbiL_Msk

Lame.

I guess you didn't realize that the Force Awakens portion of that video is from 3 different trailers as well as footage from the movie that was never in a trailer cut to look similar to the Last Jedi teaser.

[TigerClaw]

I guess you didn't realize that the Force Awakens portion of that video is from 3 different trailers as well as footage from the movie that was never in a trailer cut to look similar to the Last Jedi teaser.
Don't be surprise when The Last Jedi comes out, and the footage we see from some of the trailers aren't in the actual movie.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Don't be surprise when The Last Jedi comes out, and the footage we see from some of the trailers aren't in the actual movie.

He's saying that the video is tricking viewers into thinking that the trailers are shot-by-shot identical. In some respects they're similar, but the person who made that video is being very misleading by adding in all sorts of TFA scenes that were never in the marketing.

[The Deadman]

Here’s Why Kylo Ren’s Scar is Different in The Last Jedi
Read more at http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/839783-heres-why-kylo-rens-scar-is-different-in-the-last-jedi#CYD2J07tDOg4c5gL.99

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Well I think we can already guess what the first change to TFA will be when it comes time for re-releases. :tlol:

[Shark_Blade]

Star Wars won People's Voice award & 4 Webby Awards.

http://strw.rs/60128eLX6

[TigerClaw]

The latest issue of Vanity Fair features The Last Jedi, and it will have different covers, one of the covers features an unmasked Captain Phasma.
https://www.comicbookmovie.com/sci-fi/star_wars/star-wars-the-last-jedi-cast-feature-on-vanity-fairs-covers-first-look-at-captain-phasma-unmasked-a151344

http://media.vanityfair.com/photos/59231a58b8f9287f73a38dc9/master/h_1440,c_limit/star-wars-cover-2017-VF-02.jpg

[CyberCubed]

I honestly think the weakest part of the new movies so far are the villains. Granted Kylo Ren has a chance to be really well developed in the next two films, but all the other new Imperial generals and Captain Phasma are meh. Also Snoke was a terrible idea for an Emperor Palpatine replacement.

[DestronMirage22]

I stil can't believe that guy's supposed to be the "new Darth Vader"! :lol:

[Andrew NDB]

I stil can't believe that guy's supposed to be the "new Darth Vader"! :lol:

I bet he's not. Rey will become the big bad by the end of this all.

[ProphetofGanja]

I bet he's not. Rey will become the big bad by the end of this all.

Hmm. Interesting theory, but I feel like Disney will want to capitalize on having a female protagonist. And plus I just think Rey's cool and I want her to be a bad ass hero for the duration of the franchise :lol:

[CyberCubed]

What's really weird is there's no new standout antagonist in these new movies. One thing Star Wars always had was cool villains. Look at Darth Maul, he practically had no character in Episode 1 (I know the comics and cartoons fleshed him out more), but everyone loved him back then regardless.

All we've gotten since is generic evil admirals and Kylo Ren. Snoke is so awful so far he feels like a character from another series. I at least hope Kylo Ren is fleshed out more in Episode 8 and 9, but other than that I don't expect much.

If I were 10 years old right now I don't think I'd be hyped to see Kylo Ren in the next movie or be buying his action figure.

[DestronMirage22]

If I were 10 years old right now I don't think I'd be hyped to see Kylo Ren in the next movie or be buying his action figure.

Dude, who WOULD?
I straight up laughed when I saw his ridiculous lightsaber design and when he unmasked himself. The dude looks so dweeby I can't take him seriously as a villain at all. Not to mention his whole angsty-teenage attitude. :lol:

[MikeandRaph87]

The promotion campaign kicks off with the summer special issue of Vanity fair featuring the late galactic legend Carrie Fisher on the cover.
https://www.yahoo.com/movies/star-wars-last-jedi-first-look-carrie-fisher-cover-vanity-fair-145534000.html

[NinjaPug]

Lots of info and pictures from the Vanity Fair story including our first look at Laura Dern and Benecio Del Toro's characters.

http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2017/05/star-wars-the-last-jedi-cover-portfolio

[Andrew NDB]

Interesting.

It still bugs me to no end that Poe, Finn, etc., are all called "Rebels"? Rebels against what? "Rebels" because that sounds more familiar to people who are still beating off to the OT on repeat? "Rebels" because the New Republic doesn't approve of anyone fighting the Imperial remnants, who are the true rebels... even after these Imperial remnants just wiped out 5 New Republic worlds, including its capital?

So, so stupid.

[Spike Spiegel]

Interesting.

It still bugs me to no end that Poe, Finn, etc., are all called "Rebels"? Rebels against what? "Rebels" because that sounds more familiar to people who are still beating off to the OT on repeat? "Rebels" because the New Republic doesn't approve of anyone fighting the Imperial remnants, who are the true rebels... even after these Imperial remnants just wiped out 5 New Republic worlds, including its capital?

So, so stupid.

IMHO the problem with Disney's strategy with this franchise is that the entirety of the storytelling so far comes from your recognition of a previously established character/event/motif/set piece, rather than through allowing new stories to be told.

(That's Luke's first lightsaber! These are the Death Star plans! Here's C-3P0. Why does he have the red arm? I don't know, who cares? Here's Darth Vader's helmet? How did it get to the First Order after the Endor battle? Who knows?)

It just de-legitimizes what they're doing to the point where it all feels like expensive fan fiction. If you're a young kid today or just someone who's never seen the OT or PT, and you watch Force Awakens and Rogue One, what exactly drives you to become a fan at that point?

However, I give the Marvel comic writers credit--they've managed to fill in important gaps from the OT storylines while also creating new characters and adding to the lore.

[TigerClaw]

Here's a new Behind The Scenes Video on The Last Jedi.

ye6GCY_vqYk

[sdp]

Darth Maul was a better character when he didn't have a background. At least he was the mysterious silent type who we could come up with a story.

I'm a huge Star Wars fan and feel little excitement that a new movie comes out in a little over 4 months. I'm sure I'll get more excited when it's closer but it's crazy to think that I'm not hyped for a new Star Wars film months in advanced, same with Marvel.


This movie so far looks like a retread somewhat of The Empire Strikes Back with Rei training, I'm thinking the movie will be much different but it still means I'm not really excited. The fact that it's all pandering. I really hope they knock it out of the park and go a different route, it's just that so much is already cemented with it being a clone of the OT, I just don't know if it'll be able to do it.

Contrary to what some of you may think from my posts, I don't hate Disney and I like Marvel and Star Wars but it's hard to get excited. I want to.

[snake]

I'm more excited for Rebels Season 4 than TLJ.

[Guile]

I'm more excited for Rebels Season 4 than TLJ.
Why watch that when you could watch the new Mega man cartoon

[NinjaPug]

Some promo pics have leaked. You've got the usual in there (Rey, Luke, Finn, Kylo) but there's a shot of Snoke and a bunch of his guards.

https://m.imgur.com/gallery/EuFat

[CyberCubed]

Man, Snoke is hideous. I'm honestly surprised how creepy looking they made him.

[Andrew NDB]

Uh oh... Luke's action figure does not include a lightsaber. You know what that means.

http://www.highlander-community.com/luke.jpg

[snake]

They're saving it for a future wave?

[Andrew NDB]

So let me get this straight... "The Last Jedi" completed all of its principal photography July of LAST YEAR, several reshoots have been completed this year... and now they've hired a screenwriter for "The Last Jedi"? Huh? We are way, way past the time for screenwriters.

http://www.cosmicbooknews.com/star-wars-episode-ix-last-jedi-getting-rewrites

[snake]

Episode 9 is. That article got it wrong.

[NinjaPug]

That's the problem when you get news from a site like Cosmic Book News

[sdp]

It's also the problem when you have biyearly star wars films coming out.

[snake]

It's also the problem when you have biyearly star wars films coming out.

Biyearly? We're going yearly, dawg.

No breaks on the disney train.

[sdp]

Han Solo movie comes out in May, less than 6 months after Episode 8.

[snake]

Han Solo movie comes out in May, less than 6 months after Episode 8.

I forgot about that. It has to be getting pushed back, right? There's no way they'd have another movie 6 months later.

[CyberCubed]

I still can't stand the fact that we have a new Han Solo movie coming out with a new actor playing him instead of Harrison Ford.

Recasting the original actors is blasphemy.

[snake]

I still can't stand the fact that we have a new Han Solo movie coming out with a new actor playing him instead of Harrison Ford.

Recasting the original actors is blasphemy.

Then build a time machine, because that's the only option besides going full CGI.

[Andrew NDB]

That's the problem when you get news from a site like Cosmic Book News

Where else would I get all of my Richard Rider Nova news?

[Andrew NDB]

http://www.outerplaces.com/science-fiction/item/16185-star-wars-last-jedi-troopers-leak

Oh look, the new Walkers in Episode 8. Next we will see pics of an all-new Star Wars ice planet named "Moth."

[CyberCubed]

It's kind of odd because it reminds me of the backlash in the prequels about the battle droids and the Naboo starfighters and the lack of the "iconic X-wing, Tie-Fighters or Stormtroopers" and now they're going back to that.

All the prequel bashing over the last decade must have Disney too scared to introduce more new unique stuff.

[Andrew NDB]

So dumb. I completely understand the wiping out of the old EU because they want to do 7-9... but only if it's actually going to be something new and original.

[CyberCubed]

From what I've seen of the EU new ships/droids/combat stuff, a lot of it is rather dumb too. I glance over all the new Tie Fighter designs and stuff that were in the videogames or in pictures over the years, it's not exactly bustling in creativity.

[snake]

Yeah, but the general direction of the story post ROTJ in the old EU was pretty good. Sans Mara Jade.

[sdp]

The EU had tons of crap, there is no denying that but it also had tons of great ideas which is why it was a shame to lose it all. Especially after seeing what Disney is doing with it, it's only been what 3 years or so of Disney EU and it's becoming a convoluted mess at a faster rate than the old EU was with less memorable stories along the way.

The EU recycled many ideas of the OT but they were not blatant. I still remember being corrected that "It's not exactly like A new Hope, because Jakku is not Tattooine...". It's sad, when I can't get excited yet about a new Star Wars episode that comes out in 4 months when it's a franchise I've loved for many years.

I'll probably get more excited once it's November but still. At least it's good that more and more people are seeing through Disney's mishandling of the franchise, when Episode VII came out we were very few. And no, I don't want doom for SWs like apologists claim, I hope VIII is awesome and proves me wrong.

[CyberCubed]

The EU had a lot of fanfiction-tier stuff too. The Emperor comes back as a clone? An evil Luke clone named, "Luuke?" Han/Leia's kids turn to the dark side? A new race of aliens from outside the galaxy who can mysteriously resist the force and all Jedi powers? WTF?

I mean there was some good there, Grand Admiral Thrawn, Shadows of the Empire (although Dash Rendar was just "not-Han solo"), and they showed a lot of missions that happened inbetween the movies and immediately after.

Also all the stuff that happened 1000 years before the original movies, and then 100-1000 years later was a lot of dumb stuff too. Some of the early lore was fascinating I suppose, though.

[snake]

You've never even read that sh*t, so stop acting like you know anything about it outside of buzzfeed articles.


But yeah, EU had tons of stupid stuff. The canon is the best part of the Disney buy out. Everything's been pretty interconnected so far.

[CyberCubed]

I skimmed through a lot of it, I also played a lot of the videogames over the years that were based on the EU material. Of course I didn't sit there reading 1000 Star Wars comics, ain't nobody got time for that.

[Vegita-San]

The EU had tons of crap, there is no denying that but it also had tons of great ideas which is why it was a shame to lose it all. Especially after seeing what Disney is doing with it, it's only been what 3 years or so of Disney EU and it's becoming a convoluted mess at a faster rate than the old EU was with less memorable stories along the way.

The EU recycled many ideas of the OT but they were not blatant. I still remember being corrected that "It's not exactly like A new Hope, because Jakku is not Tattooine...". It's sad, when I can't get excited yet about a new Star Wars episode that comes out in 4 months when it's a franchise I've loved for many years.

I'll probably get more excited once it's November but still. At least it's good that more and more people are seeing through Disney's mishandling of the franchise, when Episode VII came out we were very few. And no, I don't want doom for SWs like apologists claim, I hope VIII is awesome and proves me wrong.

I want Star Wars to succeed. I just don't see it doing so at Disney with the current idiots in charge who are more concerned about other things at the moment. But yeah. I had hope renewed when I saw all the pre release material in episode 7 coming out. Real props, less CGI sets...it felt like things where on the right track. Then I saw the actual movie. hope trashed.

Where as Episode 1 felt like a new hope rehash in some ways (end battle)....there was enough FUN stuff and new ideas that I could look past that, and seeing jedi fight in their prime was awesome. Episode 7 didn't even have that. And if 8 is going to be a rehash of ESB, and this horrible idea for a han solo movie comes about.....yeah, the future isn't bright for star wars.

Some people would even go far as to say people who claim 7 is a rehash of ANH are idiots and they are nothing alike :/. andrew would call these people plants.

Sigh.....as bad as some of the EU was, the characters, who never appeared on the screen at all, where far more memorable. even the story lines that did have something to them.

[Vegita-San]

http://www.outerplaces.com/science-fiction/item/16185-star-wars-last-jedi-troopers-leak

Oh look, the new Walkers in Episode 8. Next we will see pics of an all-new Star Wars ice planet named "Moth."

modern vehicle design 'lets add on a giant blaster, but keep everything else the same. everyone OK with that?'

'yeah, I'm Ok with that'...

come on people. at least TRY.

[Andrew NDB]

modern vehicle design 'lets add on a giant blaster, but keep everything else the same. everyone OK with that?'

'yeah, I'm Ok with that'...

come on people. at least TRY.

And it's hard to believe the Walkers of the Empire wouldn't be considered failures with fundamental design flaws. 45 years later, let's keep cranking them out because everyone remembers the Hoth battle? Dumb, dumb, dumb.

[Andrew NDB]

I want Star Wars to succeed. I just don't see it doing so at Disney with the current idiots in charge who are more concerned about other things at the moment. But yeah. I had hope renewed when I saw all the pre release material in episode 7 coming out. Real props, less CGI sets...it felt like things where on the right track. Then I saw the actual movie. hope trashed.

Where as Episode 1 felt like a new hope rehash in some ways (end battle)....there was enough FUN stuff and new ideas that I could look past that, and seeing jedi fight in their prime was awesome. Episode 7 didn't even have that. And if 8 is going to be a rehash of ESB, and this horrible idea for a han solo movie comes about.....yeah, the future isn't bright for star wars.

Some people would even go far as to say people who claim 7 is a rehash of ANH are idiots and they are nothing alike :/. andrew would call these people plants.

Sigh.....as bad as some of the EU was, the characters, who never appeared on the screen at all, where far more memorable. even the story lines that did have something to them.

Yeah...

TFA = ANH remake
Rogue One = ANH lead-in/ANH prequel
TLJ = ESB remake
Han Solo = ANH lead-in/ANH prequel

Damn it all...

[Vegita-San]

I'd give Disney ONE Play it safe rehash. More than one? INCLUDING an animated series that leads up to ANH?

No....

now yo uhave to start seeing how you can expand things and make people care.

[CyberCubed]

I wonder what Disney's plans are post Episode 9. Will they continue with one-off movies every year after that? Or take a break?

[newfan]

I hope they don't rush too much out all at once for the sake of it.

[Vegita-San]

I hope they don't rush too much out all at once for the sake of it.

you know, i never thought of it like that, but that DOES seem like what they are doing, ESPECIALLY with these stupid anthology movies.

[CyberCubed]

you know, i never thought of it like that, but that DOES seem like what they are doing, ESPECIALLY with these stupid anthology movies.

You do realize each movie has completely different people working on them, right? Each movie has a different director, writer, etc. It's not like one person is working on 5 movies at once.

[Andrew NDB]

You do realize each movie has completely different people working on them, right? Each movie has a different director, writer, etc. It's not like one person is working on 5 movies at once.

Though, and while I doubted this was going to be the case from start, it's looking more and more like the writers/directors that "Lucasfilm" is tasking with the films are just proxies for Kathleen Kennedy... who in turn is being shaken out as a "yes woman" for Disney.

[Vegita-San]

Though, and while I doubted this was going to be the case from start, it's looking more and more like the writers/directors that "Lucasfilm" is tasking with the films are just proxies for Kathleen Kennedy... who in turn is being shaken out as a "yes woman" for Disney.

I have a feeling she was ALWAYS a yes man for disney, or at least had that in mind during the sale and stabbed lucas in the back by becoming one.

had no real opinion of her at the start but that quickly changed over time. just another no talent hollywood lacky like rick maccullum before her.

[NinjaPug]

I have a feeling she was ALWAYS a yes man for disney, or at least had that in mind during the sale and stabbed lucas in the back by becoming one.

had no real opinion of her at the start but that quickly changed over time. just another no talent hollywood lacky like rick maccullum before her.

I'm not saying Kennedy is the right person to be in charge of Lucasfilm but you don't know what you're talking about here.

[CyberCubed]

Vegita-san never knows what he's talking about. Every single one of his posts is a rant about things and complaining about whatever goes on in the world with zero context behind it.

[Vegita-San]

of course I don't... i never seem too :/..


Opinions are never right, because they are just that. opinions on what I think the situation is. personally, I Think kathleen kennedy is just another no talent corporate butt kisser. might be good at managing money, or making tough unpopular decisions... but it's clear she's got no creative talent. two films, two director changes late in the game. a pattern is clearly forming. we'll see if the episode 9 guy survives till the end at this rate.


that's my unpopular opinion and i'm sticking too it.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

People would maybe care more about what you have to say if you would ever provide a lick of real evidence to support your convictions. At least make it interesting for us.

Instead what happens is you say something retarded, provide no backup for your retarded statement, and then get all sad when someone calls you retarded.

[Vegita-San]

-edit assuming that last reply was addressed to me. if it was addressed to cube, i retract the statement.


Wow. always interesting the kind of responses one gets.

yet folks seem to mostly ignore others who say the same thing.

don't like what i write, just ignore me. simple as that.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

I'm talking to you. I don't care what you write, I just ignore it. But you always seem to aloof and confused as to why people roll their eyes at you. It's because you say these very "out there" things that you aren't ever supporting with real evidence. You are the worst type of debater.

[sdp]

I don't know much about Kathleen Kennedy's ability to run things but I do know she was the producer of the entire Jurassic Park franchise before moving to SWs and the JP fandom held her in high regards and was sad when she got taken off. So for that reason I had huge hopes for SWs, then again we didn't see JPIV for many years while she was there until she basically left..

I think Disney is a very competent company right now but unlike armchair CEOs online will have you know, they are not a "hands free" company that lets "Marvel Studios" and "Pixar" run however they want. That is a lie that I see posted by "respected inside sources" posters online. They're competent at making money, and making fans believe they are "in charge" is a strategy, not that they actually care about "the source material" if it brings money to them.

Their Star Wars strategy has brought them a lot of money but they're killing the IP in the long term, because they're running the franchise like Marvel.


The EU had a lot of fanfiction-tier stuff too.
Yes it does, I'm not denying that but it balanced itself with the great stuff it had as well. Also the fact that it was technically "Canon" but not really also worked for it.

Now we have the same fanfic stories but now are all "Super canon" and the new EU has yet to hit any of the highs the old one had while already hitting some of the lows the old one had.

Hell, Reviving Maul for a final battle with Obi Wan was deemed too fanwanky that the story was published under a non-canon disclaimer while the new EU did it as if it were nothing.

I wonder what Disney's plans are post Episode 9. Will they continue with one-off movies every year after that? Or take a break?
I hope they don't rush too much out all at once for the sake of it.

They are already rushing out too much all at once for the sake of money. They want to run Star Wars like Marvel Studios sadly and Star Wars isn't the franchise for that. I think at best they'll take a small break of "episodes" and go with more anthology films yearly/bi-yearly before starting Episode 10 but who knows we might get episode 10 just a year and a half after the sequel trilogy finishes....

[NinjaPug]

I was mainly referring to Vegita's asinine comment that Kennedy stabbed Lucas in the back to gain control of Lucasfilm.

As for her track record, she founded Amblin with Spielberg back in the day and has a pretty impressive filmography. I think it's foolish to say she was only involved in so many successful films simply because "she might be good at managing money"

Her tenure as head of Lucasfilm has been hit or miss for me. I enjoyed the movies on first viewing but was bored of both immediately upon rewatch. I hate the hiring of Trevorrow (I think that has a lot to do with Spielberg and her husband) but love that she got someone like Rian Johnson to do VIII. It's clear she has a certain vision for what Star Wars movies ought to be and appears to want to play things safe by bringing in guys like Gilroy and Howard late to fix things she sees as problems.

[sdp]

The imitate the OT as much as possible can either be from Disney or just because everyone in charge is an OT fanboy, hard to tell. The SJW stuff that is creeping up on some of the books I don't really know who is to blame but it's annoying, but I think Rogue One and Ep. VII both having a female protagonist was mostly a coincidence since they didn't expect the other to do it and I have mostly no problems with it, despite being a poorly written character Rey is awesome and Rogue One would've been mediocre no matter who was the lead.

[Vegita-San]

opinions get ignored, yet responded too :).

that's my opinion, having heard nothing of this lady before star wars came into play. and i'm welcome to it. just like you're entitled to your reaction to my opinion.

I felt the same about rick mccullum before her. they both seem to be of the same breed of yes person executive. only difference is one answered to george and let him get away with just about any stupid thing he wanted to do (SE's of SE's)....and one answers direct to Disney.

doesn't seem, to me, to be alot of talent there other than being able to organize things and large groups of people properly. your opinion, of course, will vary and i won't even call you names for having it. a rare thing these days online.

[Vegita-San]

They are already rushing out too much all at once for the sake of money. They want to run Star Wars like Marvel Studios sadly and Star Wars isn't the franchise for that. I think at best they'll take a small break of "episodes" and go with more anthology films yearly/bi-yearly before starting Episode 10 but who knows we might get episode 10 just a year and a half after the sequel trilogy finishes....

I think star wars has the potential to have a new movie out every year. BUT, they are doing it WAY too fast.

They need to get their ducks in order with this new Trilogy first. Make sure all THAT works, before tackling other things. They are diving off the deep end before learning how to swim, and the mistakes that are being made are cause of that partially.

As for SJW stuff, considering it's also enterting marvel comics too, I think that's a Disney thing more than a lucasfilm thing. All I had to do was read aftermath, right up there with The Crystal Star in form of horriblness, and that was all I needed to abandon this new cannon. I havn't bought a single star wars book since apart from thrawn. Zahn is always good.

[GoldMutant]

I'm talking to you. I don't care what you write, I just ignore it. But you always seem to aloof and confused as to why people roll their eyes at you. It's because you say these very "out there" things that you aren't ever supporting with real evidence. You are the worst type of debater.

It won't matter, he'll put you on his ignore list and keep making the same claims to keep him safe. No point in engaging him, same with Cube but on a grander scale personally.

[CyberCubed]

As for SJW stuff, considering it's also enterting marvel comics too, I think that's a Disney thing more than a lucasfilm thing. .

You seem to be really bothered that the new Star Wars movies have a female lead and a black lead as their new main characters. You keep saying SJW, but you're starting to just sound more sexist or racist.

I bet if the new lead characters were all white males you wouldn't care.

[GoldMutant]

You seem to be really bothered that the new Star Wars movies have a female lead and a black lead as their new main characters. You keep saying SJW, but you're starting to just sound more sexist or racist.

I bet if the new lead characters were all white males you wouldn't care.

Don't even bother engaging with him, Cube. Just report him and go on discussing the film.

[ranger_scout]

Here are the covers of the Fall Movie Preview issue of Entertainment Weekly.

http://media.comicbook.com/2017/08/star-wars-the-last-jedi-ew-cover-luke-skywalker-1014488.jpg

http://media.comicbook.com/2017/08/star-wars-the-last-jedi-ew-cover-luke-skywalker-1014487.jpg

http://ew.com/movies/2017/08/09/star-wars-last-jedi-ew-fall-movie-preview-cover/

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Can you make those pictures bigger please?

[ranger_scout]

Can you make those pictures bigger please?

They looked too big on my browser, so I decided to make them smaller just a moment ago.

[Andrew NDB]

"Who is the Last Jedi?" "Who is the Last Jedi?"
"Who is the Last Jedi?" "Who is the Last Jedi?"

Why is this still a thing? Why is this still news?

Rian Johnson has publicly said it is Luke, and "The Force Awakens" LITERALLY said it as well.

[Krutch]

And Jedi is plural anyway, so...

[TheSkeletonMan939]

They looked too big on my browser, so I decided to make them smaller just a moment ago.

Yeah I was joking. Those sizes were immense! :lol:

[Vegita-San]

"Who is the Last Jedi?" "Who is the Last Jedi?"
"Who is the Last Jedi?" "Who is the Last Jedi?"

Why is this still a thing? Why is this still news?

Rian Johnson has publicly said it is Luke, and "The Force Awakens" LITERALLY said it as well.

should be more aptly renamed 'Star Wars: the Last Chance'

[Mayhem]

And Jedi is plural anyway, so...
They've actually backtracked on the foreign language translations and stated that it's meant to be singular. Just confusing everyone further :P

[sdp]

I hope Captain Phasma does something interesting this movie, she's such an awesome looking character even if I guess she's just a shiny silver storm trooper with a cape. I would've been disappointed if we hadn't seen much of her in TFA but the fact that she was easily forced to help the main cast and then thrown in a trash compactor almost killed her character for me right there and then.


I think it'll be hard but I really want her to become somewhat of a threat in the next movie. Not even whiny Kylo got it as bad as her. I mostly want to justify buying her action figure, come on Lucasfilm, give me anything to redeem her.

[Andrew NDB]

Snoke's base is another Death Star?

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/sci-fi/star_wars/will-star-wars-the-last-jedi-bring-back-the-death-star-new-leaked-images-feature-kylo-ren-and-snokes-base-a153247

[newfan]

Snoke's base is another Death Star?

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/sci-fi/star_wars/will-star-wars-the-last-jedi-bring-back-the-death-star-new-leaked-images-feature-kylo-ren-and-snokes-base-a153247

Well they've only had, what? 33 years from Jedi to 2016? Of course nothing's changed, just like Luke is still the last Jedi. It would at least be an upgraded Death Star :)

[ToTheNines]

Snoke's base is another Death Star?

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/sci-fi/star_wars/will-star-wars-the-last-jedi-bring-back-the-death-star-new-leaked-images-feature-kylo-ren-and-snokes-base-a153247

Memba the Death Star?

[TheSkeletonMan939]

https://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/adventuretimesuperfans/images/d/df/Squidward_face_cashregister.gif

Bravo Disney, really breaking new ground. Rogue One had the real death star, TFA had a planet death star, and I just can't wait to see what death star we have this time. I wonder what blatant design flaw it'll have.

[Vegita-San]

Snoke's base is another Death Star?

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/sci-fi/star_wars/will-star-wars-the-last-jedi-bring-back-the-death-star-new-leaked-images-feature-kylo-ren-and-snokes-base-a153247

Anyone STILL want to claim Disney star wars doesn't suck?

-edit can't tell if this is fake press to get anger raging, or real news because disney seems to be JUST that un creative when it comes to star wars.

[DestronMirage22]

Snoke's base is another Death Star?

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/sci-fi/star_wars/will-star-wars-the-last-jedi-bring-back-the-death-star-new-leaked-images-feature-kylo-ren-and-snokes-base-a153247

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHC-LBtXYAABSCh.jpg

That leaked image was just a new BB-8 playset. Not a new Death Star. Either the writer of the article didn't know or he was just trying to get a rise out of people.

But I wouldn't put it past Disney to actually introduce another one. :roll:

[ToTheNines]

Well it's a Josh Wilding article...

[snake]

It's a new star destoryer, not a death star.

[Vegita-San]

http://ew.com/movies/2017/08/14/george-lucas-star-wars-films-jedi-suggestions/amp/

Reads to me like 'yeah, this old dude just keeps bugging me a bout how to do it his way...he needs to get it through his thick head he doesn't matter anymore'...


just somehow comes off a little disrespectful.

[Andrew NDB]

This was back from February, but I don't remember seeing it reported anywhere:

http://www.syfy.com/syfywire/star-wars-chewbacca-peter-mayhew-retires

"The Last Jedi" will be the last time you'll see Peter Mayhew as Chewbacca.

[snake]

Yeah, I think we all saw that coming. Chewie isn't going anywhere though.

[Andrew NDB]

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/sci-fi/star_wars/spoilers-we-finally-know-whether-star-wars-the-last-jedi-will-feature-a-new-death-star-a153602

So there really is a new Death Star in 8.

No words.

[Vegita-San]

if real, and not click bait..anyone still wanna defend disney star wars as brilliant new material? :)

[TigerClaw]

Maybe The First Order learned from the past mistakes, and not have the main reactor out in the open this time, this new Death Star probably have something that will prevent anyone from trying to blow it up.

[Andrew NDB]

The only way it would possibly work for me is that if things are flipped... i.e., the New Republic built that Death Star just in case.

[NinjaPug]

That's got to just be some random toy packaging stuff right? Right? Surely they wouldn't do another Death Star? Right?

[TigerClaw]

The only way it would possibly work for me is that if things are flipped... i.e., the New Republic built that Death Star just in case.
I doubt it, since the New Republic, if i remember from The Force Awakens, got blowed up.

By the end of this new trilogy, we can expect a New New Republic.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

That Death Star is obviously just a promo image from the A New Hope model.

But... BUT.... it's possible there's a new Death Star in "Last Jedi" and Disney just hasn't prepared any art for it for the box designer to use, so a placeholder is there instead.

[Andrew NDB]

I doubt it, since the New Republic, if i remember from The Force Awakens, got blowed up.

By the end of this new trilogy, we can expect a New New Republic.

Just its capital of Honshi or whatever. No one particularly even seemed to mind. Presumably there is still government on Coruscant.

What will be weird in 8 is if the Resistance still calls itself the Resistance. Why would they? I thought the reason for it was to allow some deniability for the pacifist New Republic against any First Order incursions, which the New Republic believed would never come. Now that the First Order has blown up whole New Republic worlds... what possible reason would the New Republic have to not go full throttle and embrace the Resistance as itself?

[Spike Spiegel]

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/sci-fi/star_wars/spoilers-we-finally-know-whether-star-wars-the-last-jedi-will-feature-a-new-death-star-a153602

So there really is a new Death Star in 8.

No words.

https://media3.giphy.com/media/l1KsQ6z4wHrt5ARuo/giphy.gif

If this is really true, the fanbase will definitely be calling the Mouse out on it. I don't want to jump to conclusions but none of the trailer material so far suggests anything dynamic or mindblowing coming out of this film.

[snake]

It's just stock art. Nothing to worry about.

[Andrew NDB]

It's just stock art. Nothing to worry about.

No it's not. That is a new background and that is Kylo's new TIE Fighter in the foreground.

[TigerClaw]

Here's the image in question.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIqvur9UMAAdgeI.jpg

[snake]

No it's not. That is a new background and that is Kylo's new TIE Fighter in the foreground.

It's stock art. They needed something "imperial" for the box and decided to slap a Death Star. It's no different than Hasbro making a vehicle that isn't in the film and putting Jakku's surface on the package. I will bet you real money that the DS isn't in this.

There's a f*cking old school TIE in the background, for f*cks sake.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

I'm not a graphic designer but I feel like it'd be weird to put an object of that size on the cover and just have it be temporary decoration.

[Andrew NDB]

there's a f*cking old school TIE in the background, for f*cks sake.

No, that's a TFA era TIE.

[sdp]

First deny it's a death star. Once it's revealed it is "yes it's a death star but they totally made it work because"
A) It's only logical that since the time of ANH that they can now be produced easily
B) It's only logical after ROTJ they would make another death star, no TFA one is not a death star
C) They need to have a death star to re-establish the faith of the franchise because of what the prequels did


I always thought the idea of a Death Star III would be awesome as a kid and still do, you know to bring it back one day in the future, not in the first film in the new trilogy which they ruined since it felt so slapped on and tackier "this time it's an entire moving planet and not needed at all. How do they even bring it back after having a "better than a death star" Death Star in EpVII and the previous Spin-Off film being a Death Star movie.

Even Han Solo jokes about bringing back the death star in EpVII, that's the only reason I'm thinking it simply cannot be real Star Wars has already lost a lot of blind support from the release of EpVII till now. But isn't this the second packaging that has the Death Star? IIRC the first one was from some type of lego set and the excuse then was "of course it's there since they make merchandise of everything not just the new movie"

[Vegita-San]

it would not surprise me in the least if it was real. and they used bb8 on the toy to fake us out.

all disney star wars seems able to do is do call backs to episode 4 or lead ups to episode 4. they've done nothing new original since.

[snake]

https://mobile.twitter.com/rianjohnson/status/903308943866216448


Who wants to put money down on the Death Star? I will.

[MikeandRaph87]

We get a close of the actual Supreme Leader Snoke in a trading card for the upcoming The Last Jedi.
https://www.polygon.com/2017/9/7/16264040/star-wars-last-jedi-snoke-topps-trading-card?yptr=yahoo

[The Deadman]

What The Last Jedi’s Porgs Actually Are, According To Rian Johnson (http://www.cinemablend.com/news/1702660/what-the-last-jedis-porgs-actually-are-according-to-rian-johnson)

[TheSkeletonMan939]

They're cute is what they are! :tgrin:

[Andrew NDB]

Sea tauntauns!

[Andrew NDB]

Wtf... JJ Abrams is now directing reshoots on "Last Jedi" (http://www.react365.com/59bbfbb302ed5/jj-abrams-to-direct-last-jedi-reshoots.html)???

[newfan]

Wtf... JJ Abrams is now directing reshoots on "Last Jedi" (http://www.react365.com/59bbfbb302ed5/jj-abrams-to-direct-last-jedi-reshoots.html)???

Oh no, I thought once it was done it was done

[DestronMirage22]

What The Last Jedi’s Porgs Actually Are, According To Rian Johnson (http://www.cinemablend.com/news/1702660/what-the-last-jedis-porgs-actually-are-according-to-rian-johnson)

They're more kid appeal characters added for the sake of merchandise is what they are.

[NinjaPug]

I don't believe that at all. If there was a press release as that site claims it would be all over the internet.

[Spike Spiegel]

The story about reshoots comes from a prank site (http://www.react365.com/).


ABOUT
This website is an entertainment website, news are created by users. These are humourous news, fantasy, fictional, that should not be seriously taken or as a source of information.


Below that story there's a link to an article about Tupac Shakur's comeback album.

[Vegita-San]

who?

Sorry, just wanted to see jaws drop. more of a beach boys fan/disco fan ;o).

at this point, Star wars is such a mess with kathleen kennedy in charge, I wouldn't doubt ANY weird thing that comes out now.

it has a small chance of being true.

[Andrew NDB]

The story about reshoots comes from a prank site (http://www.react365.com/).

Who do you think wrote it? :)

[snake]

You almost gave me a heart attack.

[TigerClaw]

It appears that Emperor Palpatine might be in The Last Jedi based on a Lego Toy.
http://movieweb.com/star-wars-8-emperor-palpatine-hologram-lego/

[snake]

Mike Zeroh is a f*cking retard and has ZEROH credibility. His "leaks" are laughed at by every serious community including MSW, who is the best source for leaks.

[NinjaPug]

STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI TRAILER DEBUTS TOMORROW
DURING HALFTIME ON ESPN’S “MONDAY NIGHT FOOTBALL”

Tickets to Star Wars: The Last Jedi Go on Sale Everywhere Following the Trailer Launch

SAN FRANCISCO, CALIF. (October 8, 2017)—Lucasfilm announced today that the trailer for Star Wars: The Last Jedi will debut on ESPN’s “Monday Night Football” on Monday, October 9, during halftime of the National Football League (NFL) game between the Minnesota Vikings and the Chicago Bears in Chicago. The game starts at 5:15 p.m. PDT/8:15 p.m. EDT.

Following the trailer launch, tickets to the highly anticipated cinematic event will be on sale everywhere movie tickets are sold.

Star Wars: The Last Jedi opens in U.S. theaters on December 15.

ABOUT THE MOVIE:
In Lucasfilm’s Star Wars: The Last Jedi, the Skywalker saga continues as the heroes of The Force Awakens join the galactic legends in an epic adventure that unlocks age-old mysteries of the Force and shocking revelations of the past.

The film stars Mark Hamill, Carrie Fisher, Adam Driver, Daisy Ridley, John Boyega, Oscar Isaac, Lupita Nyong’o, Andy Serkis, Domhnall Gleeson, Anthony Daniels, Gwendoline Christie, Kelly Marie Tran, Laura Dern and Benicio Del Toro.

Star Wars: The Last Jedi is written and directed by Rian Johnson and produced by Kathleen Kennedy and Ram Bergman. J.J. Abrams, Tom Karnowski and Jason McGatlin are the executive producers.

[Vegita-San]

it's pretty weird that disney is airing a star wars trailer during football of all things, and a pay network like ESPN no less.

Most nerds don't care about football. why not air it during NYCC and get alot more press?

oh, that's right. Di$ney abandoned that for their own stuff.

smh.

[sdp]

Disney owns ESPN.
Why waste the trailer at nycc when they already have the nerds' wallets? Better to go for the mainstream crowd.

Let's see if this trailer can get me hyped, cuz right now I ain't feelin' it. (And yet Disney knows they have my money anyway...)

[NinjaPug]

Exactly. There's no need to market this to the people that are already going opening weekend.

They premiered the TFA trailer during MNF two years ago too.

I remember them putting the trailer for ROTS with an episode of the OC back in 2005.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Most nerds don't care about football. why not air it during NYCC and get alot more press?

Because anyone who is remotely "nerdy" already knows that Star Wars is coming out. The people who doggedly watch football and don't spend time in that area of the Internet/social culture need "reminding" that the next Star Wars is coming, and a 2-minute trailer is a great way of doing that.

[Vegita-San]

Exactly. There's no need to market this to the people that are already going opening weekend.

They premiered the TFA trailer during MNF two years ago too.

I remember them putting the trailer for ROTS with an episode of the OC back in 2005.

perhaps. but if you aren't already aware of star wars, and don't bother with it, is a two minute trailer going to change your mind and say 'NOW I have to see this?' I just don't see many football fans caring one way or another that they'd give it a second thought.

I can understand what is being said, but the logic of it seems kind of iffy to me.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

"Oh hey, a new Star Wars is coming out. I don't usually pay attention to movies but maybe I'll see that one. It has Luke from when I was a kid."

The trailer is going to be online 5 minutes after it airs anyway, Disney isn't nesting it in a ball game to alienate the geeks.

[TigerClaw]

New Poster released.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DLvAUShUIAASVox.jpg:small

[Cure]

it's pretty weird that disney is airing a star wars trailer during football of all things, and a pay network like ESPN no less.

Most nerds don't care about football. why not air it during NYCC and get alot more press?

oh, that's right. Di$ney abandoned that for their own stuff.

smh.

"Market it to ME, not anyone else!"

Jesus Christ, man.

[TigerClaw]

The new trailer will debut tonight during Monday Night Football, and no doubt be online after.

[Vegita-San]

meh.


will see it in theaters, but don't need to see it opening week.

[Autbot_Benz]

Q0CbN8sfihY

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Well I take back anything I said about liking the Porgs. I thought they'd be puppets, not Jar Jar Binks CGI things.

[CyberCubed]

Looks great. Although some of it does seem similar to Episode 5 (Rey training with a Jedi Master, more focus on the villain who had turned to the dark side, etc), it looks more like it's own thing and not just a remake of an old movie.

[ProactiveMan]

I saw a character named DJ in the next Black Series wave. He looks like a Disney Channel version of Deckard from Blade Runner.

[CyberCubed]

I hope Leia doesn't die in this movie.

[Shark_Blade]

I'm skipping the trailer I want to be surprised. It's not long anyway.

I hope Leia doesn't die in this movie.
It's not like she's gonna appear in the next one...:trolleye:

[NinjaPug]

I think there was some intentional editing misdirection with that final scene.

The Kylo/Leia scene was my favorite part.

[Autbot_Benz]

The Porgs look like Mitch Mconnell when he frowns :lol:

[sdp]

It does feel like they're trying hard to mimic ESB in having a "dark" movie.

The trailer was ok, I didn't hate it but I also didn't love it.

The trailer shows potential, it'll finally give us all the answers Ep.VII trailers made us question which the movie did not answer and instead remade Episode IV.

So yeah I see potential to where they are trying to head the story might be new places though it could very well be a copy of ESB which I hope not. So I'm cautiously optimistic, contrary to what my comments on Star Wars are, I really want to love the franchise again, Disney has just made it hard.

Man, did that CG scene with Chewbacca look awful, I hope they clean it up by the time the movie comes out or just use the damn mask instead.

[Roseangelo]

yes yes yes yes yes yes yes

[CyberCubed]

Would be interesting if all that early Episode 7 speculation of Finn being the true hero and Rey either going to the dark side or being misguided in some way leading to her downfall come true.

Kylo Ren and Rey teaming up would be good and interesting.

[Spike Spiegel]

That looks...more interesting than TFA.

[DestronMirage22]

Q0CbN8sfihY

Bleh. :dead:
____

[CyberCubed]

For those of you who don't like the trailer, what is it that you don't like? This movie looks like it's going in all the right direction after episode 7 and looks to have far more drama, character development, action, and set pieces.

In fact I wouldn't be surprised if this is the best Star Wars movie since the original trilogy ended.

[Vegita-San]

checking out trailer reaction elsewhere..

nerds seem slightly more positive this time around. but, we all saw how that went with TFA over time, didn't we?

For me, disney has had three times to deliver. Rebels, TFA, R1. for me, three times they have failed to give me something I'd feel the need to rewatch more than once. three times they focused on nothing but episode 4 call backs.

This is turning into Star Wars the Last Chance.

[sdp]

Ive been checking reactions online as well and theyre blindly positive that it made me rewatch the trailer and now I have more problems with it...

The trailer seems like a straight rip off of the ESB, I hope the movie isnt like the trailer at all..You have Luke not wanting to train Rei because of the potential for evil, you have Rei being tempted by the dark side, you have training, I mean all of that is the ESB...

Many of the new characters introduced in Ep7 have potential, but putting them in the same tired OT situation without any real new twists is whats killing them.


I hope the movie does go a different direction..Also the people commenting are retarded they wonder "omg is rei turning to the dark side?" of course she wont jeeze "are they going to kill Leia OMG" of course not, Disney even said they wouldnt kill her off in Ep8 already, its only a trailer building suspense.




nerds seem slightly more positive this time around. but, we all saw how that went with TFA over time, didn't we?
Nerds have always been positive for all the SW trailers made by Disney so far.

The general opinion of TFA has slowly shifted but its still seen as positive by most, we who hated it went from being the 1% to say the 30% which is a huge change but we¨re still the minority.

For me, disney has had three times to deliver. Rebels, TFA, R1. for me, three times they have failed to give me something I'd feel the need to rewatch more than once. three times they focused on nothing but episode 4 call backs.

This is turning into Star Wars the Last Chance.

Rebels isnt bad and most problems that it has are problems Clone Wars already had, I wont say I love Rebels but its not worse than Clone Wars, theyre both a little too wacky but I can live with that.

I agree with TFA and R1 as you know though and the problem is those movies have set up almost everything else that we are getting from Disney whether its comics, books, games etc.

[ranger_scout]

Johnson certainly wanted to make darker story than The Force Awakens. A beloved character may have been killed off two years ago in that film, but the tone wasn't quite as serious as what they are advertising here.

My gut tells me that Kylo Ren won't kill Leia. He might've killed his father, but I think he was always much closer to his mother. Even though anything could happen I also don't believe that Rey will turn to the Dark Side. She's probably just making Kylo Ren think that she is joining him.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

So, on a scale of Anakin slaughtering toddlers to Luke finding out that Vader is his father, how excited for Star Wars 8 are you?

[Vegita-San]

I found the clone wars animated series much more involving than rebels.

As you said, rebels isn't bad, but take away the OT elements, and you'll find there isn't all that much new there. or interesting. only a few episodes I've felt where rewatchable worthy. and some of those had vader in it.

[newfan]

I liked the trailer more than I thought I would, who do you think Luke was referring too when he said (spoiler as some don't want to watch the trailer)

Last time I saw a power of this magnitude was....(or something like that)
I hope he didn't mean Ren..... I wondered if he meant Palpatine... even though he's not in the movie.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

He's almost certainly talking about Kylo Ren's power with the Force.

[CyberCubed]

Given how Rey is seen as a feminist icon, it's probably too much to hope she isn't the pure hero she was portrayed in Episode 7.

It's looking more and more like Finn might be the true hero of this new trilogy. It'd be quite a shock if it happens.

[newfan]

Maybe she goes dark and comes back.

[Spike Spiegel]

Do hardcore people who know a lot about Star Wars lore, or just the tropes of sci fi/fantasy in general, really see Rey as a feminist character? I ask this as a serious question, not as a neckbeard.

I honestly think we've had more interesting female characters in SW like Ahsoka Tano, Bastila in KOTOR, Leia, or even Padme--there was a deleted sequence at the end of ROTS where she hides a knife in her cloak and means to kill Anakin on Mustafar to try and save the Republic.

Compared to them, Rey seems about as bland as pre-ROTJ Luke. She's there in VII to go through the motions of the hero's journey archetype, but that's it. IMO there's nothing all that subversive or dynamic about her as revealed so far. Granted, I have not read any tie in stories where Rey may have been featured.

[Vegita-San]

yep.

Ezra had trouble learning the basics. and so did Sabine when she had to use a lightsaber for her time on mandalore. and Luke was just plain likeable and relatable.

Rey....she can be likeable. but something about how they write her, or how they handle her powers, it's off compared to the other male and female characters we've seen so far. I'm willing to bet this 'awakening' isn't addressed as much as people think it might be so as to make rey seem more awesome at suddenly knowing everything about the force, with only having heard about it a few hours into the movie.

either that, or we are all just so jaded at how hollywood does things these days, we are looking for things that arn't there.. but i don't think so.

[plastroncafe]

Do hardcore people who know a lot about Star Wars lore, or just the tropes of sci fi/fantasy in general, really see Rey as a feminist character?

Yes.

Why do you think she wouldn't be?

[Spike Spiegel]

Yes.

Why do you think she wouldn't be?

Something about her characterization felt incomplete in VII, especially after Han and Chewie entered the narrative.

On a superficial level, I can see the "feminist" aspects--she lives alone, fights any number of dangerous creatures on Jakku, scavenging for her keep, and is a good pilot and mechanic--but it seems like they picked a bunch of "fish on a bicycle/don't need no man" tropes to project onto a flat character.

I know what she can do, but I feel that I don't know her as a person. You could also argue that both Finn and Kylo objectify her in the same way. Kylo wants to harness her power, and I guess Finn is just lovestruck at first and enamored with her abilities.

[plastroncafe]

I don't agree with those assessments of Rey's character, but I can see where you're coming from.

However, I'm not seeing how these named deficits makes her not feminist.
What do you think a feminist character looks like?

[Sumac]

I really liked Finn in TFA, though, I expected that I will dislike him.
And kind of disliked Rey, though I expected to like her. She doesn't feel like an interesting or charismatic character.

Kylo Ren was hilarious - if creators wanted to make him psychotic teenager, then they have succeeded. If they wanted to present him as a competent and charismatic villain - then they have completely failed.

[CyberCubed]

Luke was pretty bland too in his first movie. It's pretty obvious these characters need more than one film to develop. I think Rey, Finn and Kylo Ren will all be much better characters this time around. The first movie was just our intro to them.

[snake]

The fact that Kylo's characterization completely went over your heads says more about the intelligence of the average Star Wars fan than anything.

[Spike Spiegel]

What do you think a feminist character looks like?

I never really considered this before, but down the rabbit hole I go...

More or less, a female character whose humanity is fully realized, outside of the context of being an object of desire, a plot device, or a diversity token. You understand them internally and externally. They don't always have to be heroes, and they can have flaws or be forced to make tough choices.

Rey seems more like a sketch or a concept of a character than a fully fleshed out protagonist from what I have seen so far. I connected with aspects of what I saw in the first film, but I don't think the script went far enough.

Also, I don't think acting in ways that are typically codified as masculine wins any brownie points, either--though I am not automatically opposed to it (remember Vasquez from Aliens?). It just caters to some abstract idea of what the culture views as strong or desirable, which could be viewed as promoting a hegemonic view where only that kind of behavior can be seen as valuable. It's like saying, "what makes this chick cool is how much she acts like a dude."

In a more general sense, I think the inner life of a character is what connects them to the audience moreso than whatever feats they can accomplish in the context of their story. Look at a character like Superman, for instance. If you don't see the lovable Kansas farmboy beneath the costume, he's tremendously flat and boring as a hero.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Kylo Ren was hilarious - if creators wanted to make him psychotic teenager, then they have succeeded. If they wanted to present him as a competent and charismatic villain - then they have completely failed.

He's not supposed to be charismatic or necessarily psychotic, as far as I can tell he's supposed to be almost sympathetic. Just like Anakin, he grew up as a powerful Force wielder and started training, but he felt his true value was consistently ignored by his mentors. So he's turned to someone who he honestly thinks can help him reach his ultimate potential. They hit you over the head with it, he even wears a Vader-esque mask for no reason other than to look like Vader, because his story is just like Vader's (and it probably sells more toys if he has a cool helmet). Kylo Ren felt like an actual character, with personality, 10 times more than Rey or Finn.

[plastroncafe]

You might have just hit the nail on the head as to why I'm seldom impressed with Superman stories.

I'd counter this with the fact that there's nothing inherently wrong with the character of Vasquez from Aliens. She's a great character, and she's representative of a certain type of woman. The problem isn't her, it's when there's only her. When all we see in a movie is one kind of woman, because then she's not just A woman she's THE woman and it's really easy to make her a stand in for ALL women.

This is one of the reasons that Fury Road is as awesome as it is.
There are lots of kinds of women in that movie, and they're all strong characters, and they're not all like Furiosa. They shouldn't have to be.

Rey gets flack because she's the lead protagonist.
She's either too strong/skilled or not strong/not skilled enough.

[Sumac]

Luke was pretty bland too in his first movie. It's pretty obvious these characters need more than one film to develop. I think Rey, Finn and Kylo Ren will all be much better characters this time around. The first movie was just our intro to them.
Never change 'cubed, never change. :roll:

The fact that Kylo's characterization completely went over your heads says more about the intelligence of the average Star Wars fan than anything.
Is it aimed at me? Because, it sounds quite rude and tells me more about low n level of discourse and low level of intelligence and upbringing of some people here, as well.

BTW, I am not much of Star Wars fan. I don't read promo materials, interviews, comic books and the like, and have only movies as a reference.

Rey seems more like a sketch or a concept of a character than a fully fleshed out protagonist from what I have seen so far. I connected with aspects of what I saw in the first film, but I don't think the script went far enough.
Precisely how i felt about her while watching TFA.
She can be an interesting character, but there was not enough charisma.

He's not supposed to be charismatic or necessarily psychotic, as far as I can tell he's supposed to be almost sympathetic. Just like Anakin, he grew up as a powerful Force wielder and started training, but he felt his true value was consistently ignored by his mentors. So he's turned to someone who he honestly thinks can help him reach his ultimate potential. They hit you over the head with it, he even wears a Vader-esque mask for no reason other than to look like Vader, because his story is just like Vader's (and it probably sells more toys if he has a cool helmet). Kylo Ren felt like an actual character, with personality, 10 times more than Rey or Finn.
I've got that he was supposed to be Vader 2.0 (like many other characters in TFA are 2.0 versions of old heroes).
The problem is his characterization in the movie was rather strange - one moment he is presented as competent and scary warlord, in other - like child throwing a temper tantrum. He is not coherent in what he is.

That's why I am saying - if creators wanted to make a (meta-)commentary about him being a fan of Vader, who goes out of his way to be like his idol and at the same time being nothing like him in some aspects and very much like young Anakin in others - than they have succeeded.

If they wanted to present him as some kind of serious threat, a villain who can be taken seriously, like Vader, than they have utterly failed.

Part of my problems with him, is that I never was fan of Anakin portrayal in the Prequel movies. He was whiny kid, who had no charisma, no competence, no any abilities of a strong leader. Easily swayed and manipulated, with no spine. He was nothing like Vader in OT and that was the major problem for me. Not because, I am big fan of OT, but because it felt rather inconsistent. And his sudden transformation into competent commander after lava bath does not look exactly convincing.

Once again, I go only by movies.

[plastroncafe]

There's good Anakin character developments to be had, but they never seemed to make it to the big screen.

It's my understanding you have to go to the cartoons for that sort of thing.

[snake]

Not really directed at you, but more to the r/starwars audience of redditors.

[CyberCubed]

Part of my problems with him, is that I never was fan of Anakin portrayal in the Prequel movies. He was whiny kid, who had no charisma, no competence, no any abilities of a strong leader. Easily swayed and manipulated, with no spine. He was nothing like Vader in OT and that was the major problem for me. Not because, I am big fan of OT, but because it felt rather inconsistent. And his sudden transformation into competent commander after lava bath does not look exactly convincing..

The Vader in the original movies is a nearly 18 year timeskip from where we left him off at the end of Episode 3. Of course Darth Vader would become a more competent leader in 18 years of serving the Empire and working for the Dark Side.

I mean think about it in real life terms. A person in their 30's is obviously a lot different than someone when they're only 18. People mature, grow up, or in this case...become evil and competent. Remember Anakin in the prequels was basically an older teen.

[Sumac]

I mean think about it in real life terms. A person in their 30's is obviously a lot different than someone when they're only 18. People mature, grow up, or in this case...become evil and competent. Remember Anakin in the prequels was basically an older teen.
I think about real life terms and in real life whiny and easily manipulated fools become losers, no matter how talented they are, not badass charismatic generals who can successfully lead people.

This is the problem, with Anakin - if Episodes 2 and 3 had his character any of those qualities, I would have believed it. As is stands - there is nothing. Surprisingly enough, Anakin from Episode 1, no matter how much Marty Sue he arguably was, was actually much closer to what I am talking about.

[CyberCubed]

I think about real life terms and in real life whiny and easily manipulated fools become losers, no matter how talented they are, not badass charismatic generals who can successfully lead people..

Darth Vader was a glorified lackey for Emperor Palpatine in his entire run. And you're wrong, most teenagers are whiny, immature and everyone matures once they become adults.

[Roseangelo]

Darth Vader was a glorified lackey for Emperor Palpatine in his entire run. And you're wrong, most teenagers are whiny, immature and everyone matures once they become adults.

:tlol::tlol::tlol:

[ProactiveMan]

There is something different about the look of this that I can’t put my finger on. The cinematography seems a little off. Might just be the trailer, but there’s something going on there.

I hope they haven’t given too much away in that trailer either. The ep.7 previews felt more vague on plot points, which I personally prefer. It’s Star Wars; people will go to see it even if the trailer is just Chewie sitting on a sun lounge for three minutes.

Otherwise, it looks pretty cool. Rey’s doing cool things, Phasma is ambulant, Luke is a hobo... can’t wait to see it.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

There is something different about the look of this that I can’t put my finger on. The cinematography seems a little off. Might just be the trailer, but there’s something going on there.

The shots are not composed as well as previous SW films - everything feels like it's too big for the frame. That was my gut feeling watching as well.

[sdp]

My significant other had never seen a Star Wars movie and Episode VII was her first, she was surprised and liked how the hero was a girl.

I personally love the idea of Rey being the main Jedi and hero, but if we take a look at the movie she is literally the definition of Mary Sue so I think that hurts her as a feminist icon though I'm sure she is considered one. She was just "good" at everything, if we take a look at Luke he had to earn everything and that's who she was trying to mimic.

I don't think Finn will be a Jedi and if he does he won't be replacing Rey, just imagine all the backlash it would get for having a "man" replace a woman as the main hero after teasing that Rey would be the hero. Finn is awesome though and doesn't need to be a Jedi, but I'd love both Rey and Finn being Jedi. I do have a black friend who hates Finn and feels that it's prejudice that Finn was treated the way he was in TFA.

[Sumac]

Darth Vader was a glorified lackey for Emperor Palpatine in his entire run. And you're wrong, most teenagers are whiny, immature and everyone matures once they become adults.
I am sorry, but your personal issues with your teenagehood are not necessarily normal for all other people.

[CyberCubed]

I am sorry, but your personal issues with your teenagehood are not necessarily normal for all other people.

Your entire argument was that Darth Vader can't be competent because Anakin was a whiny teenager. I then told you we had a 17-18 year timeskip from when we saw Anakin in Episode 3 to Darth Vader in Episode 4. You do realize that's two decades, right?

Darth Vader had 17+ years working exclusively for the Emperor while his Anakin years were a teenager. Are you seriously saying you don't think people change form their teenage years to adult years? I mean I find it bizarre I even have to say this, and you're talking about a character also changed by the dark side on top of that.

[Sumac]

Your entire argument was that Darth Vader can't be competent because Anakin was a whiny teenager.
Please, read again what I've written. Preferably with your eyes, not your ass.

My entire argument, that Anakin, as he was portrayed in Ep 2 & 3, has not even a single charismatic and leader-like bone in his body. Nothing.
I would be cool with him being emotional, if at the same time he had shown at least some of the characteristics of a competent leader in the movies. But he has shown absolutely nothing like that. He was more similar to what I've expected from young Vader, back in Episode 1.

[Vegita-San]

yep. they fixed ALOT of what was wrong with vader in the animated series.
that proves lucas lead star wars can be good, so long as someone keeps lucas in check with some of his ideas.

[sdp]

Exactly, I think many but not most Star Wars fans realize this, it's only when Lucas has complete control that thing go bad.

Lucas gets a lot of hate but Lucas is Star Wars, he just needs his ideas to be polished by other people along the way.

Star Wars without Lucas however is just what people think Star Wars is i.e. wanking to the OT.


that proves lucas lead star wars can be good, so long as someone keeps lucas in check with some of his ideas.

[Spike Spiegel]

I'd love both Rey and Finn being Jedi. I do have a black friend who hates Finn and feels that it's prejudice that Finn was treated the way he was in TFA.

The marketing for VII does seem like a bait-and-switch, in retrospect. You might have thought Finn was going to be the main hero, but that was certainly not the case...

I also never liked the fact that Finn's name is given to him, and you could draw a lot of comparisons between his situation (being taken as a child, etc.) and slavery. It's somewhat nit-picky and doesn't make me hate the movie, but it's definitely there.

The trailer for VIII does seem to indicate that he will actually have something to do in this story.

[CyberCubed]

Please, read again what I've written. Preferably with your eyes, not your ass.

Given the sheer mass of bans on the forum lately, I don't why you're purposely flame-baiting.

My entire argument, that Anakin, as he was portrayed in Ep 2 & 3, has not even a single charismatic and leader-like bone in his body. Nothing.
I would be cool with him being emotional, if at the same time he had shown at least some of the characteristics of a competent leader in the movies. But he has shown absolutely nothing like that. He was more similar to what I've expected from young Vader, back in Episode 1.

I understand this, but Anakin was never intended to be a charismatic leader in the prequel trilogy. For most of it he's Obi-wan's apprentice to begin with, even when he started making his own choices Obi-wan kept reprimanded him telling him not to challenge the Jedi Council and that "his time will come." Anakin wanted to become a master, and he along with Mace Windu kept reminding him of his place.

And as I'm saying, 17 years is enough to change a man controlled by the dark side into a formidable leader. Luke was just born a baby in Episode 3, in Episode 4 he's around 17 I believe, so there's a 17 year timeskip there. 17 years of working for the dark side would obviously change a man.

[Sumac]

Given the sheer mass of bans on the forum lately, I don't why you're purposely flame-baiting.
It's not my problem that you can not read and understand what is written.

I understand this, but Anakin was never intended to be a charismatic leader in the prequel trilogy.
Even so, he should had some kind of leader-like bone. Some seeds of being great leader. Otherwise, his transformation into Vader doesn't make sense and comes out of nowhere.

And as I'm saying, 17 years is enough to change a man controlled by the dark side into a formidable leader. Luke was just born a baby in Episode 3, in Episode 4 he's around 17 I believe, so there's a 17 year timeskip there. 17 years of working for the dark side would obviously change a man.
Change is one thing.
Acquiring qualities that never was hinted before - is another.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Even so, he should had some kind of leader-like bone. Some seeds of being great leader. Otherwise, his transformation into Vader doesn't make sense and comes out of nowhere.

He is an incredibly powerful Force wielder, right-hand man of the Emperor, who leads an army of men whose sole purpose in life is to serve the Empire. He doesn't need to inspire men to join him, he's got an army ready to go. He leads by fear and naked authority, not by inspiring the troops. Even in the original SW film, Vader doesn't have any charisma or motivational style by which he commands, he just rules over the Imperial army because he is their authority. Where in the OT do you see these "great leader" qualities in Vader?

[Cure]

He is an incredibly powerful Force wielder, right-hand man of the Emperor, who leads an army of men whose sole purpose in life is to serve the Empire. He doesn't need to inspire men to join him, he's got an army ready to go. He leads by fear and naked authority, not by inspiring the troops. Even in the original SW film, Vader doesn't have any charisma or motivational style by which he commands, he just rules over the Imperial army because he is their authority. Where in the OT do you see these "great leader" qualities in Vader?

Yeah, I'm with you and to a lesser extent, CyberCubed. It's entirely plausible for Anakin to become Vader. If anything, Vader force choking that dude can be considered kind of whiny. Tarkin even had to be like "yo, chill"!

[Sumac]

Where in the OT do you see these "great leader" qualities in Vader?
Dunno how you see Vader in OT, but I saw him as charismatic leader commanding his troops through fear and respect (not in the least because he was not shying away from taking part in battles himself). It might not necessarily come through the storytelling, but through his mannerism and performance.
Something that was thoroughly lacking in Anakin portrayal and Ep 2 & 3. On the other hand, almost everyone performance was lacking in the Prequels.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

What charisma does Vader have? Someone with charisma has a winning personality, like "wow, I want to be friends with that guy!" The Imperial officers either have open distaste for him ("your sad devotion to that ancient religion...") or are greatly intimidated by him (Jerjerrod in RotJ) or really don't say anything at all. Vader will publicly choke you to death if you mess up. The closest thing to a relationship he has to any of the Imperial officers is Tarkin, who treats Vader like a dog.

This is why people think Boba Fett is so cool - he talks up to Vader and almost converses with him like a partner. Vader has no partners in the Empire, only tools.

If you want charisma, look at Errol Flynn's Robin Hood, not Darth effing Vader.

[Spike Spiegel]

Vader in the Disney-era OT comics is one scary dude.

Some characters try to befriend him/make him an ally, but his lack of trust in anyone makes it impossible for them to do so. Like TheSkeletonMan939 said, people are tools for him.

But he himself was a tool for Watto, then the Jedi, then the Sith, so maybe his behavior is a product of that.

[Sumac]

What charisma does Vader have? Someone with charisma has a winning personality, like "wow, I want to be friends with that guy!"
Charisma means:
compelling attractiveness or charm that can inspire devotion in others.


It has nothing to do with "friendship". Military commander can be charismatic leader, but it doesn't mean that you want to be friends with him.

Vader, through mannerism, channels strength and assuredness. It doesn't make him "good guy".

[Turo602]

Charisma means:


It has nothing to do with "friendship". Military commander can be charismatic leader, but it doesn't mean that you want to be friends with him.

Vader, through mannerism, channels strength and assuredness. It doesn't make him "good guy".

Attractiveness and charm don't begin to describe Vader. From the opening shot of Star Wars, he's angry, sounds desperate, and is yelling at people. Something Anakin would do in the prequels. Darth Vader never came off like a leader type to me. He's just the Emperor's muscle. Though, I do agree that the last of what we saw of Anakin in Revenge of the Sith is a far cry from the character of Darth Vader that we see in the original trilogy. Putting on that suit at the end of RotS isn't enough to convince me that he's the same guy. His personality, motivations, and demeanor all changed drastically. That's why I feel like Darth Vader needs a solo film to fill in that 17 year gap and make it believable by showing us a younger Darth Vader just beginning to explore the dark side and struggle with moving on from Anakin Skywalker.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Vader, through mannerism, channels strength and assuredness. It doesn't make him "good guy".

Strength and assuredness are two completely different things from attractiveness and charm. There is a difference between leading through authority and leading by your winning personality.

Vader does have a small amount of dry wit to him ("I find your lack of faith disturbing"; "be careful not to choke on your ambitions") but this is usually as he's choking his officers to death, so I think it cancels out.

[Sumac]

Strength and assuredness are two completely different things from attractiveness and charm. There is a difference between leading through authority and leading by your winning personality.
Whatever.
I've done reasoning with you.

If you believe that whiny fool, could become a character with "winning personality and authority", OK. Maybe water can become fire too.:tlol:

[CyberCubed]

There's a 17 year timeskip between Episode 3 and 4. Of course he can become a strong leader in 17 years.

[MikeandRaph87]

There's a 17 year timeskip between Episode 3 and 4. Of course he can become a strong leader in 17 years.

I thought it was 19 years between Revenge of The Sith and A New Hope?

[CyberCubed]

I guess it is, what is Luke's canon age in Episode 4?

[newfan]

I guess it is, what is Luke's canon age in Episode 4?

One of the members said he was 19 when I asked previously. I'm also seeing 19 come up on the net but not sure of the accuracy.

We never really got to see much of him in what would be his Jedi prime either, it finished off with him just becoming a Jedi and then we get him retired :)

[Vegita-San]

Possible Toy Spoiler? WTH?

I HOPE this is just more bad toy marketing. I don't want to see them make Rey Jaina. https://www.smythstoys.com/uk/en-gb/toys/action-figures-and-playsets/star-wars/star-wars-the-last-jedi-black-series-jaina-solo-figure/p/154503057?ranMID=37783&ranEAID=je6NUbpObpQ&ranSiteID=je6NUbpObpQ-h2euvgNY8_SH9Nj_jiVEzQ

[MikeandRaph87]

I remember dialogue early in A New Hope that suggest that Uncle Owen kept Luke from leaving home at 18 to help him with a harvest season while Biggs Darklighter left to join the rebellion. Also, when explaining periods between films it usually places Episode III 19 years before Episode IV.

[CyberCubed]

Well if it is 19 years then that means Darth Vader had been ruling for nearly 20 years before we saw him again.

[sdp]

I think that's where the prequels really faltered and messed things up big time, for the OT to make sense you would need to have been under the rule of the empire for so long. Vader should be in his 70s not 40 or whatever, same with Obi Wan and the fact that everyone seems to have forgotten who the Jedi are and only know the Empire as the only government.

If the President of the US can have a son when he's 60 why not the lord of the Sith?


The only way people would defend this is by "things change quickly" in the Star Wars universe which we know is not true since Episode VII which is 30 years later hasn't changed a damn thing from Episode IV.

[newfan]

Yeah, the Jedi were like a legend... but only 19 years later and then again with Force Awakens, Rey thought Luke was just a legend, not sure what the time gap is between Jedi and there but still in his lifetime :)
Maybe it's due to the story being expanded throughout a galaxy rather than just one planet.

[CyberCubed]

I imagine the time gap was the same in real life. So from 1983 to 2015....that is a long time. :lol:

[MikeandRaph87]

I think that's where the prequels really faltered and messed things up big time, for the OT to make sense you would need to have been under the rule of the empire for so long. Vader should be in his 70s not 40 or whatever, same with Obi Wan and the fact that everyone seems to have forgotten who the Jedi are and only know the Empire as the only government.

If the President of the US can have a son when he's 60 why not the lord of the Sith?


The only way people would defend this is by "things change quickly" in the Star Wars universe which we know is not true since Episode VII which is 30 years later hasn't changed a damn thing from Episode IV.


Anakin was 9 in Episode I. He was 19 in Episode II. 22 in Episode III when he became Darth Vader . In Episode IV he was 41, Episode V he was 44, and 45 at the time of his death spending just over half of his life in the life-supporting cyber suit.

I agree that the Empire only ruling for 23 years was too short for a huge impact yet how could Anakin's children have stopped the previous generation's tyranny if it was much longer? Palpitine himself was in his late 80s? I t's consulted any way you look at it and trying to pick through it just gives a headache. :trazz:

[Mayhem]

Yeah, the Jedi were like a legend... but only 19 years later and then again with Force Awakens, Rey thought Luke was just a legend, not sure what the time gap is between Jedi and there but still in his lifetime :)
It's about thirty years between Jedi and TFA.

[ZariusTwo]

And the TV spots have begun to crop up

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[MikeandRaph87]

I was thinking about Luke's line in the trailer, " It is time for the Jedi to end". Luke can be saying exactly what seemed odd about the prophecy of The Chosen One. To bring balance it does not mean Order 66 which tilts the scales to the Dark side not does it mean eradicating the Sith once and for all. Both sides thibk Anakin Skywalker is supposed to kill off the other side. However, it just tilts the scales to favor a aide. Why not end both the Sith and The Jedi Order making it balanced? If Force users continue what about a middle ground? I feel like Geoff Johns touched on this issue of The Jedi through how he portrayed The Guardians of The Universe as emotionally absent set in ancient reasons, going to extremes and inadvertently created half of its own enemies. Thoughts?

[MikeandRaph87]

http://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/subtitles-reveal-snoke-luke-talking-last-jedi-trailer/

Subtitles confirm key lines are being spoken to the reverse of whom one would think.

[sdp]

Have they killed Lando in any of the new EU?

I didn't care that he was not back for Ep.7 or 8 since we had Luke/Leia/Solo but now that time has passed who wouldn't love to see Lando appear in 8 as a cameo or having a role in 9?

I was never a huge fan of Lando as a kid but I guess enough time has passed that all the right nostalgia strings are triggered, I saw a tribute video and I was like "man we need Lando in the new trilogy".

[CyberCubed]

I think his actor said he wanted to be in the new films but he wasn't asked to come back, for whatever reason.