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ToTheNines

11-05-2026, 06:11 AM

but it was also about "F*** Israel!" and a lot of people wanting more attention to the cost of living while Trump is venerating daily about things like the reflecting pool and changing the names of monuments and lakes. I understand the latter part.

Yeah, seriously. Trump’s messaging has been pretty awful these past two years. On top of your examples, there’s the ball room and the juvenile social media content. It just all comes across as unserious.

One of the more encouraging things about this election is that (so far) there hasn‘t been any of the embarassing VOTER FRAUD whining.

Yeah that has been almost unbelievable. Weird.

IMJ

11-05-2026, 08:09 AM

Coola Yagami

11-05-2026, 09:05 AM

Nah the voter fraud thing is already catching steam. I've seen some maps of Texas and how the vote their was inexplicable and a few "voting infiltration" videos showing that you can show up with your head covered like a Muslim and then "vouch" for up to 8 people to vote along with you.

The other thing is Illinois - I literally see NO ONE on social media pleased with f'n Pritzker getting a third term - NO ONE. Yet he won. But that doesn't mean "voter fraud" as much as the "Chicago phenomena".

On that note, I'm going there tonight to the South Loop for an event. Wish me luck. :lol:

Another thing is, it's also possible the voters aren't people that are stuck 24/7 on social media. Just because several people make 'I voted' their entire personality for a few days doesn't mean everyone will.

I vote and never make a big to-do about it.

As for Texas, that was very surprising, but even I know a few friends living there that can't stand the red regime.

Also I see a lot of idiots on Twitter crying over the fake 5000 dollars they were never going to get. The orange doofus essentially bribing his voters should never have been allowed.

Barkworm

11-05-2026, 10:54 AM

I don't know about idiots on social media, I was talking about idiot politicians. But even Trump himself has been uncharacteristically restrained.

Andrew NDB

11-05-2026, 11:20 AM

Also I see a lot of idiots on Twitter crying over the fake 5000 dollars they were never going to get. The orange doofus essentially bribing his voters should never have been allowed.

I didn't like Trump doing that either but pretty much all leftist politicians here are doing IS bribing voters. With more and more "Free Stuff." And it has been working.

IMJ

11-05-2026, 12:37 PM

The orange doofus essentially bribing his voters should never have been allowed.

Oh, you mean a potential true dividend from growth? As opposed to... say the hoodrat-era of "Obama Money"?

I vote and never make a big to-do about it

Yeah me too.

to your other point, yeah - it's that phenomena I've mentioned elsewhere here too:

Someone goes on social media and claims there's "outrage" over xyz. But there's no balance to that message from the millions are not actually "outraged" by nonsense "xyz"....
Someone goes on social media with their "vote" speech but it's nothing compared to millions who do it and stay silent.

At the end of the day, trump-hate-delusion aside, the turn here was that Trump went to Iran and that was the big misstep. The spillover from that is not only a misallocation of global resources but also enhanced the inflation-issue that is completely opposite of the positive market-run that is, ironically, actually still happening but we can't feel it because of inflation-weight.

Iran is a culturally-dog$#( country but that's their problem. If we couldn't "go in, get them and get out" like we did in Venezuela then you don't go in. You don't get drawn into conflicts that betray the Powell Doctrine - which is to go in with overwhelming force, and if you can't do that, then you wait or don't go in at all.

Andrew NDB

11-05-2026, 12:45 PM

Yeah, I think Trump was pretty sure that that first big strike was supposed to basically decapitate Iran. When it didn't, everything after that felt like floundering around.

At the very least, Trump did succeed in "unmasking" Iran. Since I was a kid they were like the boogeyman, like if we ever pissed them off the world better WATCH OUT! But as it turns out, even if you bomb the crap out of them repeatedly apparently they have nothing, really. They can just annoy ships in the Hormuz Strait once in a while, that's it.

FredWolfLeonardo

11-05-2026, 01:58 PM

Trump didn't "unmask" s*it. The only one who believed in the big world-destroying Iranian boogeyman were paranoid right-wingers who live in a different reality.

The only one who got unmasked was Trump, the guy who somehow claims to have defeated Iran repeatedly, yet Iran still stands and controls the region.

You're not winning that war, sorry (assuming you even believe the war is even happening). Your favourite guy will go down as a loser in the history books because of it.

ToTheNines

11-05-2026, 02:33 PM

Andrew NDB

11-05-2026, 02:45 PM

Wait what? I thought they had nukes?

Not THAT. I mean that they'd just quietly send suicide bombers or set up dirty bombs in various cities or things of that nature. Now, I don't doubt their level of evil, corruption and cruelty of the regime (unless you guys have a great rationale for them massacring tens of thousands of their own people in the streets, and that's just in the past year?) there but now we know they're a paper tiger. The bully on the playground you shove and does nothing back.

FredWolfLeonardo

11-05-2026, 02:48 PM

So you actually believed Iran was going to send waves of suicide bombers and set up dirty bombs into American cities?

Atleast President Trump helped dispel that myth for you!

Andrew NDB

11-05-2026, 03:45 PM

So you actually believed Iran was going to send waves of suicide bombers and set up dirty bombs into American cities?

I guess blame the leftist media for instilling that since childhood. As you know, I didn't even vote Republican until Trump's second term.

Mayhem

11-05-2026, 07:26 PM

Point 2 is a little unfair. In 2024 Trump was running on the promise of stopping the wars in Gaza and Ukraine. He was running on releasing the Epstein files and locking up pedos. He was running on better cost of living for regular people.
No, he was simply running to keep his arse out of jail.

Not THAT. I mean that they'd just quietly send suicide bombers or set up dirty bombs in various cities or things of that nature. Now, I don't doubt their level of evil, corruption and cruelty of the regime (unless you guys have a great rationale for them massacring tens of thousands of their own people in the streets, and that's just in the past year?) there but now we know they're a paper tiger. The bully on the playground you shove and does nothing back.
It did actually happen in the early weeks after the attacks into Israel… except it was uncovered that the attack units arrested in Saudi Arabia trying to set stuff up to blame on Hamas etc were Mossad agents. If anything happens on US soil, I’d be far more likely to look to Bibi… who’s also feeling the heat election wise.

I guess blame the leftist media
https://i.ibb.co/jP91trFX/IMG-5182.jpg

ToTheNines

11-06-2026, 03:18 AM

I guess blame the leftist media for instilling that since childhood. As you know, I didn't even vote Republican until Trump's second term.

This is a good point. The establishment clearly has it out for Iran and there’s nothing any president is really going to do about it. Hell, Kamala was basically campaigning on the promise of attacking Iran, so I think some version of the situation we’re currently in was just inevitable.

Barkworm

11-06-2026, 03:57 AM

If you have a look at page 2 of the news section, you‘ll find a thread about a potential conflict with Iran from 2005. So yeah, somehow it‘s been a long time coming.

ToTheNines

11-06-2026, 04:03 AM

This is what happens in the midterms, true. What makes it exceptional is the scale: estimated House losses of roughly 38–55 seats put it among the biggest wave elections, and the Democrats’ gain of at least seven Senate seats is among the worst Senate defeats for a president’s party in nearly a century. The results in Texas, South Carolina and Kansas are not the usual midterm flip at all.

Yeah there’s been a major shift. I live in a red state but a LOT of my county and city stuff flipped to Democrat last week. I think people are just tired of the clown ****.

Like all the Republican attack ads I got in the mail and see online are just embarrassing boomer cringe. The Democrat campaigns weren’t even running on anything interesting, they seemed to have won just by acting normal lol.

We keep FM radio on in the house for background noise and I almost had to call our favorite station and complain because my 4 year old asked me “daddy, what’s the woke sex change industry?” thanks to some moronic losers campaign commercial.

Andrew NDB

11-07-2026, 03:36 AM

This is kind of the point where the left is looking around like a falcon for any right violence, praying for it. Looks like... not happening? No rallies where they can invite them in and do a bit of theatre and do docs for another few years?

This is a good point. The establishment clearly has it out for Iran and there’s nothing any president is really going to do about it. Hell, Kamala was basically campaigning on the promise of attacking Iran, so I think some version of the situation we’re currently in was just inevitable.

I don't disagree with The Establishment™ in this way. Iran's government has to go. One way or the other. Or... I mean, it doesn't? But the "it doesn't" route means super regulation and continued horrible quality of life for its citizens and, hello, WOMEN there. But if we're to step back and go, "OK, we're not the police of the world" and just let them sort it out, OK. I kind of wish Trump had timed his big attack for before all those people had been killed in Iran to see if that'd have made a difference... but at a certain point, OK. They either sort their own stuff out or they don't, and that's that.

Barkworm

11-07-2026, 03:49 AM

ToTheNines

11-07-2026, 03:59 AM

I don't disagree with The Establishment™ in this way. Iran's government has to go. One way or the other. Or... I mean, it doesn't? But the "it doesn't" route means super regulation and continued horrible quality of life for its citizens and, hello, WOMEN there. But if we're to step back and go, "OK, we're not the police of the world" and just let them sort it out, OK. I kind of wish Trump had timed his big attack for before all those people had been killed in Iran to see if that'd have made a difference... but at a certain point, OK. They either sort their own stuff out or they don't, and that's that.

So Kamala Harris (who you think is a literal communist for some reason), Joe Biden (openly corrupt puppet), Hillary Clinton (where do I even start?) and countless other Dems that I know you despise are all all-in on “Iran must go!”…

Do you think there’s even a chance you’ve been propagandized into holding this position?

Andrew NDB

11-07-2026, 03:59 AM

I've said this before, all Germany-based Iranians I know where super-excited about the attacks... in the beginning. Then, everything just went nowhere. If anything, the Iranian government looks stronger than before now.

I don't reaaally buy that either. I think we're looking at very small modules of people buried deep calling the shots of very few but in very important places (as in, to kill any dissenters), but it doesn't really matter at the end of the day. The ones that could have risen up are either dead already or are in too few numbers now, if I was to guess. Because they had the best rallying call they ever could have had but again.... had it been a bit sooner, maybe different. But academic now.

ranger_scout

11-08-2026, 07:45 PM

I'll post it here instead what Dave Chapelle and liberal podcasters have been saying about Charlie Kirk is why I'm glad to be cutting news out of my life.

ToTheNines

11-08-2026, 07:59 PM

Why are you listening to liberal podcasts?

ranger_scout

11-08-2026, 08:48 PM

Why are you listening to liberal podcasts?

I don't listen to them, but when I saw something pop up about what a liberal podcast said that was when I was glad to cut news out of my life.

FredWolfLeonardo

11-08-2026, 08:54 PM

Are Republicians really that much less liberal? You're obviously a person of faith with socially conservative values.

What about a Democrat establishment is that much more "end of the world" than a Republician establishment?

Either way, you're not getting a ruling party with socially conservative values. I say this as a person of faith myself.

Mayhem

11-09-2026, 04:15 AM

Republican christians are not much different from those who left England to come to the new world. Contrary to popular belief, they didn't leave due to persecution, they were ruled against by the then English Government for excessive persecution towards other people. Frustrated by the "loosening of morals" and lack of purity, they left to found a new colony where they could persecute non believers at will. And here we are today 400 years later finding them doing exactly the same...

I'll post it here instead what Dave Chapelle and liberal podcasters have been saying about Charlie Kirk is why I'm glad to be cutting news out of my life.
Well, Charlie was right about one thing... Texas never flipped blue in his lifetime...

ZariusTwo

11-09-2026, 08:30 AM

Well, Charlie was right about one thing... Texas never flipped blue in his lifetime...

You're the 9999th person to make that same unfunny gravedancing joke.

Andrew NDB

11-10-2026, 12:38 PM

https://www.facebook.com/share/r/19pRv9wnLJ/

IMJ

11-10-2026, 04:40 PM

Republican christians are not much different from those who left England to come to the new world. Contrary to popular belief, they didn't leave due to persecution, they were ruled against by the then English Government for excessive persecution towards other people. Frustrated by the "loosening of morals" and lack of purity, they left to found a new colony where they could persecute non believers at will. And here we are today 400 years later finding them doing exactly the same...

Well, Charlie was right about one thing... Texas never flipped blue in his lifetime...

God I could only imagine the comedy that would ensue if I got locked into a room with you and nine other guys just like you someday. I can only imagine that the ensuing interaction would be absolutely reflective your name here. It would be a series of at least ten jokes funnier than any conversation we have here on the forums.

ToTheNines

11-10-2026, 04:47 PM

Mayhem steals all of his material from Bluesky and Threads, so you would have to provide all the comedy, I’m afraid.

Mayhem

11-10-2026, 07:11 PM

IMJ

11-10-2026, 07:24 PM

Mayhem steals all of his material from Bluesky and Threads, so you would have to provide all the comedy, I’m afraid.

I'm in for that 100%. On the entire 1+9 cohort clown-show of humor.

IMJ

11-10-2026, 07:29 PM

Not on Threads. And I check Bsky maybe once every two days. Sorry, the quip didn't come from either place. Anyhow Kirk was a pawn, thought he was important, and got sacrificed for this administration's "greater good"...

I think you should be banned for outright celebrating an assassination of a public figure, let alone gaslighting any reader here into somehow believing that a man was killed by anyone other than his deranged social-opposition.

I think that speaks volumes about you and I don't think you should have a space here spouting that kind of bull$#!(. It demonstrates what kind of guy you are and it demonstrates that you actually have no argument at all given that you have to rely on wordplay and arbitrary reconstruction of the framing of an assassination.

I think you've demonstrated in finality that you're a real $#!(bag and I don't think you belong on the forums spouting nonsense that relies so heavily on skewing facts to fit your mental-model. And I also think that everything I've said here is utterly defensible and demonstrable given your output, if not across the entire thread, then right here, quoted in what I sincerely hope is your final post on this forum. Ever.

ZariusTwo

11-11-2026, 01:20 AM

Impeachment on Hegseth off to a 'great' start with eleven Dems sleeping in and not voting.
:lol:

Andrew NDB

11-11-2026, 01:22 AM

They forgot to find any crime. Whoops.

Barkworm

11-11-2026, 02:40 AM

Well, Charlie was right about one thing... Texas never flipped blue in his lifetime...
Man, what a tasteless joke. Don‘t stoop to that level.

Mayhem

11-11-2026, 03:55 AM

I think you should be banned for outright celebrating an assassination of a public figure, let alone gaslighting any reader here into somehow believing that a man was killed by anyone other than his deranged social-opposition.
I don't do conspiracy theories. But there's a lot of suss stuff about the whole situation. The bullet fragments recovered don't match the supposed gun. The paving over of the crime scene literally less than two days after the incident. That his mic system appeared to do something funny, like, possibly explode. And that isn't even considering his marriage was a bit odd, plus Erika was a former Trump pageant winner and Trump introduced them to each other.

Kirk's alleged killer (how long since we heard anything about what's going on with him?!) was politically non-affiliated with no memberships, and came from a Republican heavy family. So really not Kirk's "opposition" per se. Unlike the two main Trump "assassination" attempts that were carried out by former Trump supporters. Well the first was not, possibly also staged, he never got hit in the ear...

ToTheNines

11-11-2026, 04:15 AM

Guy who can’t think for himself “doesn’t do conspiracy theories”…

Then proceeds to posit some theories about the US government potentially lying.

I take it back Mayhem, you’re a funny bloke after all.

Coola Yagami

11-11-2026, 06:42 AM

To be fair... are you saying the US government doesn't lie? C'mon.

ToTheNines

11-11-2026, 06:58 AM

To be fair... are you saying the US government doesn't lie? C'mon.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSScRjz3YRlIOhJ0avaN98nkEjv72XEm Q1DbcV3w9t6Kg&s=10

Coola Yagami

11-11-2026, 09:42 AM

Gotta love like for the longest time it was 'the government was shady' and 'never trust the government', but once CoVid hit suddenly everybody wants to rimjob the government without question.

Mayhem

11-11-2026, 11:41 AM

Don’t know about there but here we followed the guidelines laid out AND questioned them without being sheep if something seemed off.

Andrew NDB

11-11-2026, 11:47 AM

Gotta love like for the longest time it was 'the government was shady' and 'never trust the government', but once CoVid hit suddenly everybody wants to rimjob the government without question.

I wonder which side did that, the left or the right...

Coola Yagami

11-11-2026, 12:03 PM

I wonder which side did that, the left or the right...

Both. In different ways.

The left got crazy over the vaccines and mandates.

The right would follow Trump into the fire if they could.

Andrew NDB

11-11-2026, 12:15 PM

Both. In different ways.

The left got crazy over the vaccines and mandates.

The right would follow Trump into the fire if they could.

Trump had nothing to do with anything with COVID beyond bringing in the "vaccine" that Biden trumpeted (and subsequently tried to unemploy anyone who wouldn't get it).

The right just wants freedom and to be left alone. Period. Simple.

IMJ

11-11-2026, 12:16 PM

Both. In different ways.

The left got crazy over the vaccines and mandates.

The right would follow Trump into the fire if they could.

I think you've identified something real and in that case it's basically people on a massive scale looking for guidance rather than creating their own. Again - more peasant-thinkers than kings and it manifested on a large scale during a global crisis. But it also went "tribal".

FredWolfLeonardo

11-11-2026, 01:11 PM

Covid drew me away from the Right-Wing. I was initially a little skeptical of the vaccine but seeing friends and family members take it and turn out fine, prompted me to get it.

Also, the government has done evil things, but genociding it's own population is not one of them. They want a functioning populace, and you need to really point to why they would want to create a vaccine that sterilises people and causes millions of deaths.

Then I saw all the protests, where protestors slung feces at police while spouting the most unhinged tinfoil hat conspiracies. This is what the Right Wing had become and I wanted no part of it. "Freedom, Nuremberg 2.0., UN, WEF, WHO Globalist and Communist Agenda."

Andrew NDB

11-11-2026, 01:35 PM

Then I saw all the protests, where protestors slung feces at police

Nono, that was the "Summer of Love," remember? The left, once again.

FredWolfLeonardo

11-11-2026, 02:10 PM

Nono, that was the "Summer of Love," remember? The left, once again.

I mean, I'm not defending any of the property damage and violence at the 2020 protests, but you have to look at the ideology behind the protests as well.

It's the ideology behind the covid protests which drove me away from the right-wing.

ToTheNines

11-11-2026, 02:11 PM

I’m on my 17th booster and I feel great!

OPERATION WARP SPEED BITCHES!!!!

Andrew NDB

11-11-2026, 02:50 PM

It's the ideology behind the covid protests which drove me away from the right-wing.

What COVID protests? I sure don't remember any.

Coola Yagami

11-11-2026, 03:27 PM

Trump had nothing to do with anything with COVID beyond bringing in the "vaccine" that Biden trumpeted (and subsequently tried to unemploy anyone who wouldn't get it).

The right just wants freedom and to be left alone. Period. Simple.

I didn't say Trump was involved with CoVid. I'm saying his brainwashed followers devote their whole personality to kissing his ass. He can do no wrong in their eyes.

The right mostly wants to go back when only white people were in charge of everything. Too bad you're not white, huh?

Andrew NDB

11-11-2026, 03:35 PM

I'm saying his brainwashed followers devote their whole personality to kissing his ass. He can do no wrong in their eyes.

The right mostly wants to go back when only white people were in charge of everything. Too bad you're not white, huh?

None of this has any basis in reality. If I was religious, all there would really be to say here is "I'll pray for you," but since I'm not all I'll say is "smdh."

I guess I just feel bad that an otherwise pretty smart guy like you would get "Captured" so completely and fully. I mean, boy, they really got you good.

FredWolfLeonardo

11-11-2026, 04:20 PM

Coola is not crazy, he is absolutely right. The Nationalist Right is real. There are warring factions within it for sure, but the movement itself is not imaginary.

Whether its MAGA, the AfD, Restore Britain, Reform UK etc, there is a movement of Nationalists trying to preserve what they see as "Western civilisation" through all means possible.

What they define as "Western civilisation" varies from faction to faction, but often encompasses "Judeo-Christian" identity, Whiteness, Capitalism etc.

Coola Yagami

11-11-2026, 04:37 PM

None of this has any basis in reality. If I was religious, all there would really be to say here is "I'll pray for you," but since I'm not all I'll say is "smdh."

I guess I just feel bad that an otherwise pretty smart guy like you would get "Captured" so completely and fully. I mean, boy, they really got you good.

Seeing that I know people that treat Trump as if he's some sort of religious figure... If there is a 'they', it's the right that got me on how insane they are over Trump.

You even had dumbasses wearing those fake ear things to replicate Trump's fake shooting for a while back then.

At this point you're just putting your head in the sand, Andrew.

member_removed

11-11-2026, 06:48 PM

What COVID protests? I sure don't remember any.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52496514

Google, man, Google! I guess because it was a "conservative" protest, your selective memory kicked in.

member_removed

11-11-2026, 07:10 PM

Impeachment on Hegseth off to a 'great' start with eleven Dems sleeping in and not voting.
:lol:

Too busy counting their AIPAC "Christmas" bonuses.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cw7vppyr80eeo

AP officially calls Mississippi for the Dems.

Coola Yagami

11-11-2026, 07:11 PM

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52496514

Google, man, Google! I guess because it was a "conservative" protest, your selective memory kicked in.

Andrew probably thinks J6 never happened.

ToTheNines

11-11-2026, 07:27 PM

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member_removed

11-11-2026, 07:30 PM

Andrew probably thinks J6 never happened.

He does, but it peaceful sightseeing tour who were invited in by police and given milk and cookies.

Coola Yagami

11-11-2026, 07:35 PM

He does, but it peaceful sightseeing tour who were invited in by police and given milk and cookies.

Sounds about white.

Oh wait. He's not. Whoops.

It's ok though, he's one of the good ones.

IMJ

11-12-2026, 10:35 AM

Sounds about white.

Oh wait. He's not. Whoops.

It's ok though, he's one of the good ones.

That's some blatantly racist $#!( bro.

ToTheNines

11-12-2026, 11:06 AM

That's some blatantly racist $#!( bro.

He’s right though. We did let Andrew in The Club. Were you not at that meeting?

sdp

11-12-2026, 11:13 AM

We could end racism in the world if we all just identified as white no matter what color we were born.

ToTheNines

11-12-2026, 11:49 AM

Hey, we’re always accepting applications.

Barkworm

11-12-2026, 12:19 PM

Ugh, can I just delete this full page and a bit before that? Or does anyone feel super confident about their posts and wants to keep them?

IMJ

11-12-2026, 12:24 PM

Ugh, can I just delete this full page and a bit before that? Or does anyone feel super confident about their posts and wants to keep them?

Revisionist history? :P

Barkworm

11-12-2026, 12:28 PM

I'm no history buff but do you know examples of revisionist history where everyone is asked whether they want to get rid of stuff before it's gone?

IMJ

11-12-2026, 12:52 PM

I'm no history buff but do you know examples of revisionist history where everyone is asked whether they want to get rid of stuff before it's gone?

First Council of Nicaea, 325 A.D.

ToTheNines

11-12-2026, 12:53 PM

Ugh, can I just delete this full page and a bit before that? Or does anyone feel super confident about their posts and wants to keep them?

I’m just being an idiot, so I don’t care lol

Mayhem

11-12-2026, 04:02 PM

One thing I wish the cycle of kids learning from their parents could be broken. Kids don't care what colour their friends are at school.

Andrew NDB

11-12-2026, 04:16 PM

One thing I wish the cycle of kids learning from their parents could be broken. Kids don't care what colour their friends are at school.

Yeah, that's what it was like when I was a kid growing up in the 90s. Nobody cared what color their friends are and we were actively taught NOT to see color.

This was all reversed during right around Obama's 2nd term. Now color is the most important thing (unless white) and victimhood is currency.

FredWolfLeonardo

11-12-2026, 04:55 PM

Yeah, that's what it was like when I was a kid growing up in the 90s. Nobody cared what color their friends are and we were actively taught NOT to see color.

This was all reversed during right around Obama's 2nd term. Now color is the most important thing (unless white) and victimhood is currency.

Your experience as a kid doesn't negate that the system is broken and results in worse outcomes for certain demographics.

All the history of racial discrimination in the U.S. has resulted in certain groups falling behind consistently, that is a fact.

What was done wrong by societal institutions, also needs to be fixed by societal institutions. Things don't turn out fine in a world of pre-existing power structures when everyone "lets bygones be bygones".

Andrew NDB

11-12-2026, 05:14 PM

All the history of racial discrimination in the U.S. has resulted in certain groups falling behind consistently, that is a fact.

Not remotely. Mostly that's evidenced by a lack of dads being around and societal issues in the home, 0 to do with imaginary racism. How else do you explain Asian excelling more than any other group in spite of all that "Stop Asian Hate"?

FredWolfLeonardo

11-12-2026, 05:30 PM

Not remotely. Mostly that's evidenced by a lack of dads being around and societal issues in the home, 0 to do with imaginary racism. How else do you explain Asian excelling more than any other group in spite of all that "Stop Asian Hate"?

Those societal issues you speak of don't come out of nowhere. Marginalised groups like blacks tend to grow up in more broken homes, it's not a coincidence.

Asian Americans have their own set of unique circumstances, but they absolutely have not gone through what blacks have gone through, we all know that.

ToTheNines

11-12-2026, 05:49 PM

No, Andrew has a point. Things weren’t perfect, but art and culture were in a much healthier place than recent history.

Nickelodeon had Hey Arnold, Rocket Power, All That, etc. All shows with diverse casts that everyone loved and wasn’t weird about it.

Cartoon Network had Power Puff Girls, Samurai Jack and Justice League (my Green Lantern is BLACK!). Same thing.

Family Matters, Fresh Prince and The Cosby Show were some of the biggest sitcoms.

I’m personally not throwing Obama’s name out there as a contributing factor to the nonsense, but yeah Andrew hit the nail on the head with round about 2012 being when Tumblr-brain started taking over the internet and the arts. SAD!

IMJ

11-12-2026, 06:13 PM

Mayhem

11-12-2026, 07:09 PM

Asian Americans have their own set of unique circumstances, but they absolutely have not gone through what blacks have gone through, we all know that.
Aside from also getting thrown into internment camps during WW2... that still carried on in some form of discrimination 20-30 years or more.

FredWolfLeonardo

11-12-2026, 07:50 PM

"Racism" is a greater crutch for the weak than religion. Because "racism" as an excuse that supports both sides of weakness - the need to attack as well as the need to blame something other than "self".

I used to think as a kid that society has grown out of racism and that we have evolved to not be prejduced after the racially motivated horrors of World War 2.

Growing up, I think I was extremely naive. Systemic racism is alive and well, it just dresses itself up as "Western civilisation" and "Judeo-Christian values."

What we know of all the racist societies of the past, I think it's important not to forget that they were not "crazies", they were regular people like you and me.

ToTheNines

11-12-2026, 08:42 PM

Every single white guy I know wanted Mike Tyson to beat the hell out of Jake Paul. I think racism has been defeated.

Andrew NDB

11-12-2026, 08:47 PM

Mayhem

11-13-2026, 12:54 AM

Radicalised everything how? Because to us outside, it appeared he lost the Houses like Trump during his second term and basically couldn’t do anything much until the next election.

sdp

11-13-2026, 02:45 AM

Every single white guy I know wanted Mike Tyson to beat the hell out of Jake Paul. I think racism has been defeated.

But who won?

ToTheNines

11-13-2026, 03:37 AM

But who won?

Racism, unfortunately.

The war is far from over…

Barkworm

11-13-2026, 05:09 AM

Or, you know, when we voted in a black president. And then voted him in again. As a kid the promise was always that while we "aren't ready for a black president" (Tupac's words) that surely the coming of one would be it. That'd be the end of racism. And it should have been. But Obama racialized everything in that second term and that was the genesis of all the race-baiting we see today. Had to manufacture more supply to meet the demand.
First, the idea of voting for a black guy equals ending racism is extreeeeeemely over-simplified and confuses a historic milestone with the end of a problem. It also ignores the fact that Obama mainly won because of a huge majority of non-white voters who voted for him while only 43 per cent of white voters went for him in 2008 and only 39 per cent voted for him in 2012. Of course that doesn‘t mean that everyone else was racist but it‘s also a far cry from ‘ That'd be the end of racism.‘

Also, he didn‘t ‘racialize everything‘. This study by Princeton University (https://talim.scholar.princeton.edu/sites/g/files/toruqf3946/files/documents/im-not-the-president-of-black-america-rhetorical-versus-policy-representation.pdf) shows that Obama gave no more attention to race in his major speeches than his predecessors. Policy-wise, his only big achievement in race-related politics was the Fair Sentencing Act of 2010. His ‘achievements‘ in race-related politics were mostly the symbolism of his election.

The increase in racial polarization since about 2014 is indisputable but from my research and general knowledge there‘s very little evidence that supports the idea that Obama was an active factor for it.

ToTheNines

11-13-2026, 05:20 AM

I agree. But if Obama never made fun of Trump at that White House Correspondents Dinner, he never would have ran.

Barkworm

11-13-2026, 07:38 AM

I agree. But if Obama never made fun of Trump at that White House Correspondents Dinner, he never would have ran.
If that was true, I‘d have to correct myself: That would be his most significant contribution to racial polarization.

Coola Yagami

11-13-2026, 08:14 AM

So now the orange doofus wants to double tariff Mexico over non-existent caravans lining up by the border.

Someone tell Grandpa to stop chasing windmills and step down. Time for the 25th.

Coola Yagami

11-13-2026, 08:15 AM

Every single white guy I know wanted Mike Tyson to beat the hell out of Jake Paul. I think racism has been defeated.

That's cause nobody likes Jake Paul. Everybody wanted to see that dumbass get his **** rocked.

ToTheNines

11-13-2026, 08:42 AM

So now the orange doofus wants to double tariff Mexico over non-existent caravans lining up by the border.

Someone tell Grandpa to stop chasing windmills and step down. Time for the 25th.

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member_removed

11-13-2026, 07:00 PM

Yeah, that's what it was like when I was a kid growing up in the 90s. Nobody cared what color their friends are and we were actively taught NOT to see color.

This was all reversed during right around Obama's 2nd term. Now color is the most important thing (unless white) and victimhood is currency.

Or, you know, when we voted in a black president. And then voted him in again. As a kid the promise was always that while we "aren't ready for a black president" (Tupac's words) that surely the coming of one would be it. That'd be the end of racism. And it should have been. But Obama racialized everything in that second term and that was the genesis of all the race-baiting we see today. Had to manufacture more supply to meet the demand.

Sounds like someone has Obama Derangement Syndrome!

Coola Yagami

11-13-2026, 07:44 PM

How exactly did Obama 'radicalize everything'?

FredWolfLeonardo

11-13-2026, 09:24 PM

I feel like I have to be the one to point out that Andrew said racialised and not radicalised.

Not that I agree with Andrew, I think that DEI measures are the opposite of racialising.

As flawed as they could be in execution, the aim of DEI is to fix unequal racial outcomes.

The status quo has never been racially equal. We've made progress, but there's a long way to go.

Andrew NDB

11-14-2026, 02:06 AM

Sounds like someone has Obama Derangement Syndrome!

I'm not certain if you're joking. But taking you at face value, whuh? I voted for him both times. Even Hilary in 2016.

How exactly did Obama 'radicalize everything'?

Your skimming over my post and seeing EXACTLY what you wanted to see based on your own captured ideology is pretty much my ongoing point about you, man. In seeing "radicalizing" in my "racializing" comment.

Again, I'm really sorry. You deserve better. You've been lied to. I know I'm not going to be able to convince you different or anyone else around here.

But to build a tiny bit (and I can go on in depth):

Yes, Obama's second term did plunge us into the "race war." I didn't really see it until it was long in the hindsight, but it seems fairly clear now. It began with Treyvon. "I would imagine Treyvon could even be my son!" And then suddenly Obama took a turn and some change of goodwill (and as far as I'm concerned he WAS a good president up until that point, and no one can argue super charismatic) and threw it down the drain to divide us. He made it all about black people being hunted by police, there's a war against black people, and boy, you better reelect me unless you don't want this to stop. And the rest of his term was all about that. And all of the people we would look at today as "the usual race hustlers" got their start here, ground zero.

Not that I agree with Andrew, I think that DEI measures are the opposite of racialising.

As flawed as they could be in execution, the aim of DEI is to fix unequal racial outcomes.

I think we can sum up DEI as "unintentional consequences." Beyond it being a bit racist on its face, we end up with scenarios like this:

* Fire departments being forced to turn away burly, muscled 250 pound white dudes excited and ready to dive in and pull people out of fires because they have to hire at least 35% this-or-that. So you get.... this-or-that. Who may not be 250 pounds. And they may not even be able to pass the mandated physical. So because of DEI they lower the physical. Then they get in and they can't pull out people from fires.

* "We need black pilots!" OK. That's a noble goal, right? But there aren't that many signing up to be that. So you have a huge pool of overqualified white guys who've flown 5000 hours but you have to pass them over to hire the 20 black guys who have flown 800 hours and seem generally OK. To meet that quota.

* "We need black doctors!" Same example as the last one, really.

The ongoing thread is the confusion of "equality" with "equity," with "equity" being the E in DEI. If it was "Equality," then it would be all well and good. "Equity" is where we get into ripping people down to prop others up, whether it is races or people who worked hard to help those that didn't.

FredWolfLeonardo

11-14-2026, 03:36 AM

Are there really cases of firemen's physical standards being lowered to specifically accomodate non-whites?

I'm open to being persuaded otherwise, but I highly doubt it.

Andrew NDB

11-14-2026, 04:15 AM

Are there really cases of firemen's physical standards being lowered to specifically accomodate non-whites?

I'm open to being persuaded otherwise, but I highly doubt it.

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Barkworm

11-14-2026, 09:59 AM

Not saying what Carolla experienced was a good thing but

his story doesn't necessarily mean that 'physical standards were lowered'. He's talking about a hiring quota, not that he was to buff for the job or whatever.
it's not the greatest example to emphasize your point because he's talking about something that happened 40 years ago. The decree he mentions was terminated in 2002.

IMJ

11-14-2026, 10:04 AM

Oh for God's sake - I've seen it firsthand. Fat, maladaptive weird chick comes to tac practice and you can literally see the eagerness of inclusion in her eyes as if she's "doing it" while everyone's practice is widely wasted as we accommodate her by dumbing down our outputs.

And when the team is called in real-life she's largely sidelined because not only is she ineffective but we can't afford to feed her ego and fill-in the blanks on her childhood by weakening the team in a real situation.

Happens all the time and it's only very rarely that truly capable examples of uncommon team members manifest where you'd pick up their slack. It's usually some kind of clown with weird psychology and the wrong thing to prove.

It's literally the same psychology and some liberal-moron going on about "fairness in the US" and then she travels to Iraq to "celebrate the culture" and they rape her in the streets. It's a clown show of poor psychology.

Barkworm

11-14-2026, 10:34 AM