US American politics

[IndigoErth]

I mean, obviously, but the current old man is sounding as befuddled as the last at this point.

[sdp]

I mean, obviously, but the current old man is sounding as befuddled as the last at this point.
Remember he's autistic, he'll keep making excuses for 'his team', no matter how laughable it might be for us not in the 'tism spectrum. He probably still thinks of tariffs as being some "art of the deal" strategy.

[Mayhem]

I mean, obviously, but the current old man is sounding as befuddled as the last at this point.
This. He has dementia, people I know who work in Alzheimer’s care etc have stated as such to me based on seeing him on TV. And yes, all the folks railing against Biden for “mis-speaking” are defending Trump for the same.

[Andrew NDB]

Correct. There's probably no difference at all between what is probably an autocorrect error and hundreds of clips of Biden becoming an actual zombie in real time on camera. When he wasn't too busy falling going UP stairs, over and over.

[Mayhem]

Nah wasn’t autocorrect as he carried on referring to Mattel in terms of a country thereon after.

[ToTheNines]

Remember he's autistic, he'll keep making excuses for 'his team', no matter how laughable it might be for us not in the 'tism spectrum. He probably still thinks of tariffs as being some "art of the deal" strategy.

Why are you calling Andrew autistic? I just checked RFK’s database and he was not on there.

Another sdp LIE!

[FredWolfLeonardo]

The recent Trump trip to the Middle East and the lead up to it was fascinating. Here are some of the highlights:

1. Trump is dropping sanctions against Syria and met with the new leader, Ahmad Al-Sharaa.

2. Trump rebuked Western interventionism in the Middle East, "In the end, the so-called nation-builders wrecked far more nations than they built, and the interventionists were intervening in complex societies that they did not even understand themselves".

3. Trump accepted a $400 million 747 plane gifted to him by Qatar

4. The last hostage with American citizenship, Idan Alexander, has been released after direct talks between the Trump Administration and Hamas.

5. Trump confirmed that negotiations with Iran are still ongoing.

[Coola Yagami]

4. The last hostage with American citizenship, Idan Alexander, has been released after direct talks between the Trump Administration and Hamas.



He actually did something good?

[IMJ]

He actually did something good?

You never know what to expect with FredWolfLeonardo - Far right peasant thinker.

Don't bait him.

[ToTheNines]

The recent Trump trip to the Middle East and the lead up to it was fascinating. Here are some of the highlights:

1. Trump is dropping sanctions against Syria and met with the new leader, Ahmad Al-Sharaa.

2. Trump rebuked Western interventionism in the Middle East, "In the end, the so-called nation-builders wrecked far more nations than they built, and the interventionists were intervening in complex societies that they did not even understand themselves".

3. Trump accepted a $400 million 747 plane gifted to him by Qatar

4. The last hostage with American citizenship, Idan Alexander, has been released after direct talks between the Trump Administration and Hamas.

5. Trump confirmed that negotiations with Iran are still ongoing.

All massive Ws except #3.

[ranger_scout]

Former President Joe Biden has been diagnosed an aggressive form of prostate cancer.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/joe-biden-diagnosed-aggressive-form-prostate-cancer-metastasis-bone

This comes just as leaked audio from a Special Counsel Hur interview where he was struggling to remember key memories.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-struggles-words-key-memories-leaked-audio-from-special-counsel-hur-interview

[ResidentEvil7]

Good! Maybe that should be the perfect payback for all the trouble he did to this country and Trump.

[neatoman]

Former President Joe Biden has been diagnosed an aggressive form of prostate cancer.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/joe-biden-diagnosed-aggressive-form-prostate-cancer-metastasis-bone

This comes just as leaked audio from a Special Counsel Hur interview where he was struggling to remember key memories.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-struggles-words-key-memories-leaked-audio-from-special-counsel-hur-interview

Oh, sorry to hear that. And here I just thought he pulled out because the Democrats no longer had faith in him.

[IndigoErth]

That's a shame. At least it's coming now at over 80. At that age I'd be surprised if they even bother to do too much about it.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

It's hard not to feel sorry for what Biden has become. Of course, I hate what he used to be but now in his current state, I don't know if he can even be considered accountable.

[Jester]

"My political opposition is an inhuman creature and I applaud the diety that saw fit to give him cancer."

Grow up.

The fact that we can so easily treat other HUMAN BEINGS with such contempt because they are the incorrect primary colored political party is part of the reason I mainly skulk around here and several other members are gone.

Again, GROW THE HELL UP.

A father has cancer. A grandfather. A husband. A friend. Not a monster or boogy man.

[triplexxx]

Well, regardless of whichever way anyone thinks of him as a politician, best wishes to Joe Biden and his family in dealing with this cancer situation.

[ToTheNines]

"My political opposition is an inhuman creature and I applaud the diety that saw fit to give him cancer."

Grow up.

The fact that we can so easily treat other HUMAN BEINGS with such contempt because they are the incorrect primary colored political party is part of the reason I mainly skulk around here and several other members are gone.

Again, GROW THE HELL UP.

A father has cancer. A grandfather. A husband. A friend. Not a monster or boogy man.

Yeah, pretty nasty… but not entirely unpredictable. **** like this is already going around with mainstream pundits or whatever you want to call these clowns: https://www.news18.com/amp/world/bidens-delayed-cancer-diagnosis-prompts-accusations-from-trumps-son-doctors-another-coverup-ws-kl-9343600.html

[ResidentEvil7]

"My political opposition is an inhuman creature and I applaud the diety that saw fit to give him cancer."

Grow up.

The fact that we can so easily treat other HUMAN BEINGS with such contempt because they are the incorrect primary colored political party is part of the reason I mainly skulk around here and several other members are gone.

Again, GROW THE HELL UP.

A father has cancer. A grandfather. A husband. A friend. Not a monster or boogy man.

Oh, like guys on the liberal left don't dream every day about how you want Trump to suffer? And you tell people like me to grow up? You hateful guys have been hoping and praying for Trump's demise for at least 10 years and when something comes up with a democrap president, you want us to shut up. Why don't you dems learn to shut up; you're the one making all the noise and riots and protests.

[ranger_scout]

Hillary Clinton is an evil woman.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/hillary-clinton-bashes-republican-women-says-gop-female-president-would-handmaiden-patriarchy

What really bothers me about her is that she never left that dirty old man of a husband of her's, after everything he did with Paula Jones and Monica Lewinsky, because she knew it would hurt her political career to become a senator and potentially president since he was still somehow adored by a large majority of the country.

[Andrew NDB]

https://www.foxnews.com/media/hillary-clinton-bashes-republican-women-says-gop-female-president-would-handmaiden-patriarchy

Shesus, what is she even talking about there?

About Biden's cancer, of course it's bad and of course feelings should go out to him. Though it's always funny how the same lefties who publicly wished the would-be assassins of Trump had hit their mark or wished death on anybody who didn't want the COVID vaccine or celebrated when the rich guys in the submersible or the healthcare CEO guy die suddenly become the high standing morality police when someone says something off color. Gimme a break.

[Jester]

Oh, like guys on the liberal left don't dream every day about how you want Trump to suffer? And you tell people like me to grow up? You hateful guys have been hoping and praying for Trump's demise for at least 10 years and when something comes up with a democrap president, you want us to shut up. Why don't you dems learn to shut up; you're the one making all the noise and riots and protests.
Not on the liberal left. I'm a moderate and find both political parties to be ridiculous at times, but they are still human beings.

[IMJ]

Clintons, Pelosi and Schumer = true manipulative evil.
Biden was always a clown and a puppet.

People can be a cancer - but I don't wish cancer on anyone. Betrayal of your own operating system. It's no good.

[IndigoErth]

Where are his handlers with the leash and muzzle...

Maybe West Point 2025 will get to graduate in a few days.

[Barkworm]

Looks like this thread imploded because of the sheer amount of insanity happening in the US. :lol:

[IMJ]

Looks like this thread imploded because of the sheer amount of insanity happening in the US. :lol:

Dude, there isn't actually much happening in the U.S. at large that isn't uneventful life.

-Most of the blue hairs cause chaos in college forums, which to be honest isn't too abnormal across history.
-Now and again you'll hear some report of nonsense "protest" involving people who are oblivious to the fact the country is moving along fine while they go on about "rights being taken" (ironically while protesting without fear of being rounded up).
-Most major stories of societal nonsense tend to involve blacks hoodratting it up everywhere and it's so far gone that now the current movement is apparently "black fatigue".

But day to day, you guys in foreign countries probably have a completely wrong mental picture of daily life in the U.S. Most people are just living their lives. You don't even commonly go out and "see" any of what I've described above.

Basically most the saber rattlers are the typical TDS crowd who can't stop going on about nonsense. Meanwhile, the markets are bouncing back, trade deals continue to come in and BTC just hit a new ATH while the Fed isn't concerned yet about rates. Maybe in a month or two we will see some additional tariff impact, but that will subside as well while the typical TDS guys latch on to anything they can like a child sucking on a new tit.

[Mayhem]

After he tries to put 50% tariffs on the EU because we don’t want chlorinated chicken, hormone injected beef, gas guzzling cars, HFCS laden everything, or sick tasting chocolate.

[IMJ]

After he tries to put 50% tariffs on the EU because we don’t want chlorinated chicken, hormone injected beef, gas guzzling cars, HFCS laden everything, or sick tasting chocolate.

And yet the EU is a disaster of immigration, a disaster of bureaucratic government, and an economy whereby your own Parliament can't even agree on what the economic security risks even are let alone mitigate them.

Meanwhile, you're talking about food while I can go buy organic at basically any grocery store here as I choose. And I can do it within a 3 mile radius in any direction of where I live. And I can do so in relative comfort with being molested by a foreign migrant coming up to me on the street like happens daily in the EU.

But you go ahead, sitting around believing you know what's going on the in the U.S. :lol: You should be outraged at the shape of your own country.

[Mayhem]

Well most of that happens here. I’m just quoting Trump’s injustice about the trade deficit when I’m explaining why some of it exists. We don’t want a lot of what the US offers in those areas because it’s either banned (see GM crops too) or we produce more and better.

And don’t believe social media, it’s on a right right wing go about illegals and migrants in Europe to deflect and parallel the drive your side to kick out the nasty darkies, when most crimes are committed by nationals of the countries in question.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

And don’t believe social media, it’s on a right right wing go about illegals and migrants in Europe to deflect and parallel the drive your side to kick out the nasty darkies, when most crimes are committed by nationals of the countries in question.

Regarding that, I saw this interesting quote by a semi-famous right wing British influencer regarding immigration, going something like:

"Some migrants are criminals. Others are hardworking and honest people. I don't want either of them, they must all go back."

I am not European and an immigrant myself so I feel nothing wrong with my kind of people settling in Europe as its in their best self-interest. If I was European though, I would totally want them all to go back.

[ResidentEvil7]

I'm a national born American, and I don't want the immigrants here either. I'm tired of competing for jobs like in certain stores I apply to. If a minority has to have that job, I'd rather it be an American. And I'm also sick of the immigrants living off the government system for many years as if we owed them money and food stamps, when I rather see American money go towards American people who are down on their luck or just can't work due to disability or a senior citizen. Plus, a lot of immigrants come here to cause problems on our streets like violence, rape and theft.

[ToTheNines]

Man, who needs drunk ass uncles and deranged divorced aunts when I got guys like you in my life? Y’all are all invited to my place for thanksgiving this year haha

[IMJ]

I'm a national born American, and I don't want the immigrants here either. I'm tired of competing for jobs like in certain stores I apply to. If a minority has to have that job, I'd rather it be an American. And I'm also sick of the immigrants living off the government system for many years as if we owed them money and food stamps, when I rather see American money go towards American people who are down on their luck or just can't work due to disability or a senior citizen. Plus, a lot of immigrants come here to cause problems on our streets like violence, rape and theft.

There's nothing wrong with immigrants. The whole world is built on immigration, and true diversity is neccessary.

But once a nation is well established and growth relies on laws, then it's illegal immigration that's the issue.

[CyberCubed]

Also the random hispanic guy you're competing with for a job is likely a legal born citizen. This is veering to the "all hispanics are immigrants" territory.

I actually feel bad for all the random hispanics who were born in the U.S. and get accused by random people of not belonging here. Light skinned hispanics can probably get away with it, but if you have brown skin? Whelp.

[IndigoErth]

Also the random hispanic guy you're competing with for a job is likely a legal born citizen. This is veering to the "all hispanics are immigrants" territory.

Including all those from Puerto Rico who get lumped in (because non-Hispanics can't really differentiate too well) while being born citizens from a U.S. territory and have every right to move stateside.

[Mayhem]

Interesting I’m seeing social media flooded with outcry about Zelensky drone attacking Russian bombers without telling Trump first (spoiler alert, Trump would have tattled to his paymaster Vlad). And absolutely nothing at all about the stupid dude attacking the pro Israel demonstration in Colorado. In the current climate, I’d have thought the rabids would be using this as another leverage point to deport Muslims. But nada, zip. Someone is controlling the online narrative then.

[Andrew NDB]

Also the random hispanic guy you're competing with for a job is likely a legal born citizen. This is veering to the "all hispanics are immigrants" territory.

I actually feel bad for all the random hispanics who were born in the U.S. and get accused by random people of not belonging here. Light skinned hispanics can probably get away with it, but if you have brown skin? Whelp.

Doesn't happen.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Interesting I’m seeing social media flooded with outcry about Zelensky drone attacking Russian bombers without telling Trump first (spoiler alert, Trump would have tattled to his paymaster Vlad). And absolutely nothing at all about the stupid dude attacking the pro Israel demonstration in Colorado. In the current climate, I’d have thought the rabids would be using this as another leverage point to deport Muslims. But nada, zip. Someone is controlling the online narrative then.

I think the reason for that is that the first story is directly connected to the Russia-Ukraine war, while the second story is a fringe attack not perpetrated by either of the respective warring parties in the Middle East.

I was actually pretty happy when I heard the news about the Ukranian attack, and I have alot of respect for Ukraine for not informing the United States beforehand. True sovereignty is not letting any foreign power constrain your decision making abilities.

[Mayhem]

The fact that it apparently took 18 months of planning to pull off meant no one in Zelensky's camp was a traitor, and Ukraine felt telling no one outside that circle as it might compromise the operation.

[ToTheNines]

Donald Trump asking a staffer about DOGE: “Was it all bullsh*t?”

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-asked-musk-if-doge-was-bs-then-called-him-half-boy/

[FredWolfLeonardo]

The Trump Musk fallout is amazing. Regardless of how good or bad the 'Big Beautiful Bill' is, seeing Globalist Elon crash against against Trump over it is the stuff of Legends.

[Mayhem]

Pork filled rantings indeed.

Donald Trump asking a staffer about DOGE: “Was it all bullsh*t?”

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-asked-musk-if-doge-was-bs-then-called-him-half-boy/
It was, purely designed as a way to gut all the departments that were investigating SpaceX and Tesla (such as USAID). As a reward for him fixing Starlink so Trump won the election. Both under their Russian paymasters (the majority of funds for buying Twitter came from Russian backers)

[IMJ]

Pork filled rantings indeed.


It was, purely designed as a way to gut all the departments that were investigating SpaceX and Tesla (such as USAID). As a reward for him fixing Starlink so Trump won the election. Both under their Russian paymasters (the majority of funds for buying Twitter came from Russian backers)

:roll:
Ah. :lol:
Keep fighting the good fight, dude.

[Andrew NDB]

Well, this is... unexpected:

https://www.foxnews.com/media/karine-jean-pierre-switches-affiliation-independent-releasing-new-book-about-broken-biden-white-house

[Barkworm]

Today, our new chancellor Merz (whom I dislike quite a bit) has his meeting with Trump in the oval office. German newspapers have been speculating about what to expect. I‘m hoping for a clown show as ridiculous as the Ramaphosa one which might be realistic given Trump‘s and Vance’ obsession with our hatespeech laws.

[ToTheNines]

Today, our new chancellor Merz (whom I dislike quite a bit) has his meeting with Trump in the oval office. German newspapers have been speculating about what to expect. I‘m hoping for a clown show as ridiculous as the Ramaphosa one which might be realistic given Trump‘s and Vance’ obsession with our hatespeech laws.

Trump’s gonna show him Holocaust survivor photos and scold him lol

[Barkworm]

Trump’s gonna show him Holocaust survivor photos and scold him lol

Not dumb enough. Please make him show photos of actors who played Holocaust survivors and say it‘s right wing extremists who are being persecuted. That‘s more like the Ramaphosa show.

[ToTheNines]

Lmao, Band of Brothers finale would hit hard.

[Barkworm]

Or just show Schindler‘s list. „THIS IS WHAT IS HAPPENING IN YOUR COUNTRY!!! THIS IS ACTUAL FOOTAGE BECAUSE IT‘S BLACK AND WHITE!!!“

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Trump: 'I'm very disappointed with Elon Musk. He hasn't said bad things about me personally yet, but I'm sure that'll be next. I'm very disappointed, I helped Elon alot.

Musk (in direct response to the above clip): Without me, Trump would have lost the election, Dems would control the House and the Republicans would be 51-49 in the Senate. Such ingratitude.

Biggest anime betrayal of all time?

[sdp]

We knew it was going to happen sooner or later, Elon has an actual vision based on numbers while Trump just has an agenda. I mean cutting government spending is likely the most important issue the US has. It's just that the average republican and democrat don't understand that. It's difficult to think long-term and people don't like to do sacrifices for the long term either.

[Andrew NDB]

It a reeks like Elon trying a little bit of 11th hour damage control on his rep. "See?! Look at me, I can be mad at Trump, too! Let me show you how mad I can get! I can absolutely do the 'I'm very mad at Trump' thing! You like that, right?"

But yeah, leftist media were always foretelling a big breakup between Trump and Musk and were even pretty busy trying to manifest it themselves. I never really doubted that it would happen sooner or later, but maybe not this soon.

[Mayhem]

Next popcorn moment already dropping… Musk states Trump is in the Epstein files which is why they have not, and will never be released. I can sense the lawyers getting VERY twitchy already! :lol:

So Trump now thinks about cancelling Musk’s government contracts… the wheels are well and truly coming off. As Andrew notes, we knew it would happen, but not this soon…

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Next popcorn moment already dropping… Musk states Trump is in the Epstein files which is why they have not, and will never be released. I can sense the lawyers getting VERY twitchy already! :lol:

So Trump now thinks about cancelling Musk’s government contracts… the wheels are well and truly coming off. As Andrew notes, we knew it would happen, but not this soon…

Trump probably is in the Epstein Files.

The most noble thing to do would be to release the files, even if Trump destroys his own career in the process. Everyone needs to know the truth.

[ToTheNines]

The 2024 election thread got locked, but I predicted Trump and Elon falling out back in January. I have perfect politics and I’m right about everything!


It a reeks like Elon trying a little bit of 11th hour damage control on his rep. "See?! Look at me, I can be mad at Trump, too! Let me show you how mad I can get! I can absolutely do the 'I'm very mad at Trump' thing! You like that, right?"

But yeah, leftist media were always foretelling a big breakup between Trump and Musk and were even pretty busy trying to manifest it themselves. I never really doubted that it would happen sooner or later, but maybe not this soon.

I agree, does feel like a publicity stunt. However… literally everything Elon does is a premeditated attempt at looking cool. So it’s hard to tell.

[Andrew NDB]

It's like, Musk isn't PRETENDING to have conservative values and genuinely believes in what he was doing in DOGE and all. But during the course of all that his rep and TESLA stock and public opinion all took a pounding.

So what can he do now? Well, he can't pretend he's had a change of heart and now he's a leftist again. He can't really walk much back believably, nor would he. One thing he CAN do that's easy and doesn't cost anything is, let's get mad and yell at Trump. Now there will be lots of publicity with big headlines about "Elon turns on Trump!" and "Musk dishes on Trump in Epstein files!" everywhere which is sure to at least moderately bring back some people to his side that he may have alienated.

[ToTheNines]

Very good point, you’re probably on to something there.

[Barkworm]

As if anyone who believes that Musk is a goddamn psycho is going to like him now that he's getting into this kindergarten fight with his former buddy. No. **** both these idiots.

And to no one's surprise, our mediocre chancellor sat through the meeting with Trump like a little wimp who said almost nothing (which our media sees as a success, lol). Disappointing. I want burning bridges.

[sdp]

It's funny how Elon has stayed consistent all this time and the left and right just shun him when it's no longer convenient to their agenda. The left and right don't appreciate truth bombs. #TruePatriot #imwithelon

[Andrew NDB]

Not saying I believe this, but...

https://i.ibb.co/tMPdc8Pm/img2.jpg

And lol... ruthless...

https://i.ibb.co/7xDDTptt/496933624-1027005736235493-4069720380704991577-n.jpg

[ToTheNines]

And to no one's surprise, our mediocre chancellor sat through the meeting with Trump like a little wimp who said almost nothing (which our media sees as a success, lol). Disappointing. I want burning bridges.

Isn’t that a little short sighted? You want to cut off all ties with the US because you don’t like Trump? What happens when Vance loses in 3 years? All is forgiven because a lib is in office? Just repeat that cycle every 4 to 8 years?

[IndigoErth]

As if anyone who believes that Musk is a goddamn psycho is going to like him now that he's getting into this kindergarten fight with his former buddy.
You doubt the people of this nation are capable of that?? lol

[ToTheNines]

You doubt the people of this nation are capable of that?? lol

Yeah look at all the sickos and monsters the libs have venerated and drooled over for the simple fact that they went against Trump…. Bush, Cheney and McCain right off the top of my head. Yikes.

Edit: Mike Pence and James Comey lmao

[Barkworm]

Isn’t that a little short sighted? You want to cut off all ties with the US because you don’t like Trump? What happens when Vance loses in 3 years? All is forgiven because a lib is in office? Just repeat that cycle every 4 to 8 years?
Europe is way too dependent on the US and should have changed that years, maybe decades ago. The post-WW2 mentality of the US as the world leader/police needs to end.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Europe is way too dependent on the US and should have changed that years, maybe decades ago. The post-WW2 mentality of the US as the world leader/police needs to end.

This is unironically based and I love this line of thinking.

[Stu_Padasso]

I suspect that this is either political kafaybe or that Musk is having an autistic crash out.

I have some experience dealing with “crazy” people. Be calm. Be patient. Be supportive.

But also bear in mind that I gave Biden the benefit of the doubt that he was just an out of touch old fart that didn’t know how to behave around young girls in public in today’s climate until Hunter’s hard drives and Ashley’s diary came out. Both Musk and Trump may be film-flam artists.

Wait and see until the facts come out. It’s politics: Trust nothing that you hear and only half of what you see.

ETA: I haven’t posted much on the thread for the same reason I avoid talking politics at work or at family gatherings. I just want to have fun and meet people.

And make d-ck an and fart jokes.

Lighten up, people. We’re all gonna die.

[Barkworm]

This is unironically based and I love this line of thinking.
Make no mistake, I'm always in favour of working together with other nations but everyone needs to be able to stand on their own in case one ally becomes unreliable. Everyone here was pissing their pants when Russia went completely crazy three years ago because we were way too dependent on their gas supplies but within months, that problem was solved. The same needs to be possible with any alliance and the next pseudo-left sock puppet of the Democrats won't change that.

[Andrew NDB]

Everyone here was pissing their pants when Russia went completely crazy three years ago because we were way too dependent on their gas supplies but within months, that problem was solved.

Are we sure?

https://www.highnorthnews.com/en/germany-cant-shake-russian-gas-lng-purchases-arctic-yamal-project-skyrocket

[Barkworm]

Using the 'royal we' now, are we?

But sure, 'solved' was pure hyperbole on my part. Nevertheless, I'm convinced that Europe can manage most stuff on its own without relying on questionable partners.There will be some pain in the transition phases but that's natural.

Admittedly, things here might become just as ugly as in the US. The right-wing populist movement is a worldwide cancer.

[Andrew NDB]

Using the 'royal we' now, are we?

But sure, 'solved' was pure hyperbole on my part. Nevertheless, I'm convinced that Europe can manage most stuff on its own without relying on questionable partners.There will be some pain in the transition phases but that's natural.

Honestly, I don't even know what I'm sharing. I've just been hearing from multiple things that Germany is still getting oil from Russia, whether it's directly or indirectly or it's directly and Germany is just lying about it. I make no claim and have no opinion strong or weak about their veracity but the volume of what I'm hearing does give me pause. What I DO find laughable is Germany's insistence on purely "green" energy, and then all of a sudden when that doesn't remotely work out they have to get oil from other countries. Like Russia. At an even greater detriment to the environment that it would have before they went so green. Which is to say, their carbon footprint would have been even less had they just not gone so green to begin with. They're still importing tons of oil from SOMEBODY, that they weren't before all of these initiatives.

Admittedly, things here might become just as ugly as in the US. The right-wing populist movement is a worldwide cancer.

I'm not making a jab here, but I'd like to hear your case to this end for fun. And/or discussion.

[Barkworm]

My case for what? Whether it IS a cancer? Why it is a cancer? How it's on the rise? I think you know all the answers.It's an anti-environment, anti-educational, homophobic, xenophobic, oftentimes straight-out racist, pro-authoritarian and misogynist movement that more and more people worldwide seem to enjoy.

Not much to discuss here.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

My case for what? Whether it IS a cancer? Why it is a cancer? How it's on the rise? I think you know all the answers.It's an anti-environment, anti-educational, homophobic, xenophobic, oftentimes straight-out racist, pro-authoritarian and misogynist movement that more and more people worldwide seem to enjoy.

Not much to discuss here.

While we're on the topic of right wing politics, can we agree that Jordan Peterson got absolutely destroyed on Jubilee?

The 20 Atheists humiliated him beyond repair and it wasn't even close.

Going forward, I hope the lesson for right wingers is that we need REAL traditional voices that represent us (e.g. Orthodox Christians and Muslims) and not frauds like Peterson who dwelve into Semantic Word Salads.

Peterson's humiliation was a moment that the Far Right and Far Left jointly celebrated. I highly recommend watching it if you haven't already.

[Andrew NDB]

While we're on the topic of right wing politics, can we agree that Jordan Peterson got absolutely destroyed on Jubilee?

The 20 Atheists humiliated him beyond repair and it wasn't even close.

THAT was your takeaway from that video? lol! Though it did kind of underscore what we already knew from his daughter (when she let it slip ages ago) that he himself isn't actually religious at all.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

THAT was your takeaway from that video? lol! Though it did kind of underscore what we already knew from his daughter (when she let it slip ages ago) that he himself isn't actually religious at all.

What's wrong with that takeaway?

Also, the video was initially advertised as "Christian vs 20 Atheists", only being changed after all the backlash it received. We religious folk don't want that man representing us.

[ToTheNines]

Let me guess, he cried like a little girl?

[ResidentEvil7]

Guys leave both Trump and Elon alone already! Elon has Asperger's which I also have and let me tell you, when things go bad, sometimes we do act a little emotional and childish at times. It's not Elon's fault that he's behaving the way he has; it's just part of the condition. Again, I have Asperger's too and I know what it's like.

I'm actually proud of Elon for achieving the success and wealth he has considering his condition. I mean, do you guys know just how hard it is to get a job or accepted by other people when you're "not normal?" I don't think you guys know.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Let me guess, he cried like a little girl?

What do you mean by he?
What do you mean by cry?
What do you mean by like?
What do you mean by little girl?

(Then tells you to clean your room, followed by weeping even more profusely)

[ToTheNines]

Guys leave both Trump and Elon alone already! Elon has Asperger's which I also have and let me tell you, when things go bad, sometimes we do act a little emotional and childish at times. It's not Elon's fault that he's behaving the way he has; it's just part of the condition. Again, I have Asperger's too and I know what it's like.

I'm actually proud of Elon for achieving the success and wealth he has considering his condition. I mean, do you guys know just how hard it is to get a job or accepted by other people when you're "not normal?" I don't think you guys know.

Liberal sissy alert!

What do you mean by he?
What do you mean by cry?
What do you mean by like?
What do you mean by little girl?

(Then tells you to clean your room, followed by weeping even more profusely)

:lol:

[ResidentEvil7]

Liberal sissy alert!



:lol:

Screw you asshole! And for your information, I freaking HATE liberals, and progressives like you!

[IndigoErth]

Maybe you should try to have less hate in your heart.



Sure, good on Musk for his success and reaching what he has despite his 'condition.' That doesn't mean someone on the spectrum gets a pass and it's okay if they act like a terrible person. That just enables abuse and lets them feel entitled to abusing others if other people aren't allowed to call them out on their actions that cross the line because "they can't help it."

Pretty sure Musk appears to be high functioning enough to possess the ability to self-regulate behavior that is unacceptable against others... but ego makes him feel like he's superior to everyone and not required to. Foolish to worship someone who would probably ruin you if it benefited him to do so.

[Barkworm]

Screw you asshole! And for your information, I freaking HATE liberals, and progressives like you!

Stop insulting people or you're out. Don't blame your condition for this behaviour.

[ResidentEvil7]

Stop insulting people or you're out. Don't blame your condition for this behaviour.

Then you should make an example of ToTheNines too, because he's called me names like sissy liberal and old man showing his age with an image of a decrepit old man just to name two and when did you call him out? You and some others people here call anyone who doesn't agree to your political beliefs cancer, but it's wrong for me to defend myself from it?

[Barkworm]

No, trolling you or anyone is also not okay. Agreed.

[ResidentEvil7]

No, trolling you or anyone is also not okay. Agreed.

Thank you.

You guys have no idea how many rotten people have picked on me and bullied and beat me up both in school, on the streets, online and during job interviews. I don't want to deal with it anymore. I try to avoid politics here, because our differences are making us enemies when we should be united talking about Ninja Turtles, self-improvement ideas and other things that are neato. I even tell people I know that I won't talk politics to people I don't know, because not knowing someone's beliefs and being on the other side could land you in a fight.

Barkworm, do us all a favor and ban politics from this site, because I don't like the fighting and toxicity among us. I mean, I hate censorship, but I hate fighting and arguments even more and there's too much of that crap here. Agree?

It's stuff like that is why I'm starting to workout again soon, once I get my debt card low enough, I'm considering joining Fitness 19 which is only a short bike distance for a cheap $19.99/month; so I can rebuild my shattered confidence and spirit and develop mental stability. Heck, I even recently started bike riding again after 4 years of having it stored and it feels great, considering my quads are aching due to years of inactivity. Once the time comes, I'm considering joining a dojo near by so I can learn how to sword fight like Conan or Leonardo, or a samurai and stuff like that.

[ToTheNines]

Then you should make an example of ToTheNines too, because he's called me names like sissy liberal and old man showing his age with an image of a decrepit old man just to name two and when did you call him out? You and some others people here call anyone who doesn't agree to your political beliefs cancer, but it's wrong for me to defend myself from it?

“Just to name two” because that’s the only two instances I’ve said anything negative to you. I’ve been nothing but cool to you up until you inexplicably started calling me a liberal, among other insults.

Don’t know what your problem with me is, but put me on your ignore list and I’ll return the favor.

[Wolfie65]

Politics is puppet theater for adults.

[Autbot_Benz]

Stop insulting people or you're out. Don't blame your condition for this behaviour.

Just Ban him you have given him more than enough chances.But that’s just me

[ranger_scout]

Boy am I glad, this woman didn't become president. She's completely wrong. The protests in L.A. haven't been peaceful at all.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/kamala-backs-la-protests-after-rioters-attack-federal-officers

A California sheriff heavily criticized her statement.

https://nypost.com/2025/06/09/us-news/kamala-harris-slammed-by-california-sheriff-for-embarrassing-statement-on-la-riots/

[Andrew NDB]

Very, very stupid. Let's rage and get violent in the streets... for what purpose, exactly? To somehow convince the overwhelming majority that supports a closed border and the removal of illegal immigrants that... what, they're wrong? By simultaneously proving them right by misbehaving and causing violence?

It's like a toddler's mentality. "Look at how MAD I am!"

[ResidentEvil7]

Last night, when I found out about this riot in the news, I saw a spray painting message that said "Death To America." I'm thinking at this point, why are you fighting so hard to stay in a country you want to see the death of?

[Andrew NDB]

What's wrong with that takeaway?

Also, the video was initially advertised as "Christian vs 20 Atheists", only being changed after all the backlash it received.

Well, that's on Jubilee, not Jordan Peterson. They marketed it as such, not him. I'm not sure how a couple of high-pitched gaytheists calling him out about not being a Christian -- something he's never claimed he is -- is dunking on him? He sees value in the practical application of biblical teachings as a values system in life and does a lot of long-winded religious analyses, but he isn't religious per se and doesn't believe in God at all.

[ranger_scout]

An ABC Los Angeles news reporter actually said there shouldn't be any law enforcement at the LA riots because "it's just a bunch of people having fun watching cars burn."

https://x.com/libsoftiktok/status/1932046509572321410

[Mayhem]

Aside from the fact that the area with the riots is tiny (red circle)…


https://i.imgur.com/vxS7QGi.jpeg


And that the Trump admin and people are trying to convince you it’s city wide when most protests are peaceful (and that comes from people I know who live in LA)… the authorities are now shooting reporters, they don’t care…

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DKrU8YHsxhp/?igsh=bTdjOTEza3R6aHZy

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Where is all of Trump's promised Law and Order during these protests?

[Andrew NDB]

Where is all of Trump's promised Law and Order during these protests?

In progress.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

In progress.

I hope they don't end up like the BLM protests which went on and on, starting under Trump's first term at that.

I love Trump and all, but that video of the ICE people being chased off by LA Residents was a humiliating look for his Administration. It made them look weak and ineffective.

Well, that's on Jubilee, not Jordan Peterson. They marketed it as such, not him. I'm not sure how a couple of high-pitched gaytheists calling him out about not being a Christian -- something he's never claimed he is -- is dunking on him? He sees value in the practical application of biblical teachings as a values system in life and does a lot of long-winded religious analyses, but he isn't religious per se and doesn't believe in God at all.

Well, Jordan agreed to Jubilee's Format as well.

As a religious person, I'll try to explain it the best I can, but my issue with Jordan is that he uses Biblical concepts without actually subscribing to the established religion those concepts belong to.

Acting like that at one time would've rightfully got someone labelled as a Heretic, as these people cause the erosion of religious dogma. Yet, Jordan does this all the time and that is why I enjoyed the Atheists calling him out on it.

[Autbot_Benz]

I love Trump and all, but that video of the ICE people being chased off by LA Residents was a humiliating look for his Administration. It made them look weak and ineffective.


Good the ICE agents are getting what they deserve. glad they run away like pussies when chased by residents .

An ABC Los Angeles news reporter actually said there shouldn't be any law enforcement at the LA riots because "it's just a bunch of people having fun watching cars burn."

https://x.com/libsoftiktok/status/1932046509572321410

Don’t use libsoftiktok that is literally a garbage twitter account

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Good the ICE agents are getting what they deserve. glad they run away like pussies when chased by residents .

Agreed. 10char

[Andrew NDB]

Well, Jordan agreed to Jubilee's Format as well.

We don't know what he agreed to. It could have been as simple as Jubilee: "Hey Jordan, do you want to debate religion with a roomful of atheists?" And not, you know, "AS A CHRISTIAN, do you want to... blah blah." In fact if they'd told him in advance they intended to name the segment "1 Christian vs. 20 Atheists" he almost undoubtedly would have objected to that. For all we know he's the one who had it changed after the fact.

As a religious person, I'll try to explain it the best I can, but my issue with Jordan is that he uses Biblical concepts without actually subscribing to the established religion those concepts belong to.

Oh, I get it. But those gaytheists "outing" him for not really believing in God is pretty silly when he's never professed to. It'd be like me sitting in a debate, "Conservative vs. 10 Angry Leftists" and someone sits down and goes, "Why are you against abortion?" and I say, "When did I ever say I was?" And they go "HAHAH! See?! You're not a true conservative. OWNED!!!"

[FredWolfLeonardo]

We don't know what he agreed to. It could have been as simple as Jubilee: "Hey Jordan, do you want to debate religion with a roomful of atheists?" And not, you know, "AS A CHRISTIAN, do you want to... blah blah." In fact if they'd told him in advance they intended to name the segment "1 Christian vs. 20 Atheists" he almost undoubtedly would have objected to that. For all we know he's the one who had it changed after the fact.

I think its more likely that he agreed to the video title as he has used Christian beliefs for his own benefit in the past without actually being Christian. I don't think Jordan walked into the debate completely blind to the setup.

But your scenario is entirely possible too.

Oh, I get it. But those gaytheists "outing" him for not really believing in God is pretty silly when he's never professed to. It'd be like me sitting in a debate, "Conservative vs. 10 Angry Leftists" and someone sits down and goes, "Why are you against abortion?" and I say, "When did I ever say I was?" And they go "HAHAH! See?! You're not a true conservative. OWNED!!!"

Interesting you bring that up. For me personally, the term conservative is pretty meaningless.

I feel like conservatism becomes more and more cucked with time. With time, many so-called conservatives are pro-choice, pro-gay, atheists, childless, unmarried, the list goes on and on.

So if you identify as a conservative, I would have no reason to assume you are anti-abortion as there is no foundational 'Conservative Creed' that outlaws abortion.

The conservatives of today bear little to nothing in common with conservatives of the past. Conservatism seeks to conserve the status quo, which has only become more liberal with time.

[ToTheNines]

“cuckservative”

[ResidentEvil7]

With time, many so-called conservatives are pro-choice, pro-gay, atheists, childless, unmarried, the list goes on and on.


Just like me. I'm a so-called conservative Republican gay alpha male, never going to get married (even to a guy) nor have kids and I think religion (except Buddhist and Shinto). If I did have a religious belief, it would be more in the way of something to do with nature or Japanese history, because I love the culture enough to adopt it.

[IMJ]

Meanwhile liberals go back to burning the streets and hitting people from behind in monkey-tactic-street-gang actions. While liberal governor-clown Gavin Newsom sits in his millionaire lifestyle.

Maybe the $#!( mob can be incited to go to Newsom's house to have a "mostly peaceful protest".

[Mayhem]

Sends troops in, Donny Rapefingers had no plan for them afterwards though…


https://i.imgur.com/pzX60Ot.jpeg

[neatoman]

Just like me. I'm a so-called conservative Republican gay alpha male, never going to get married (even to a guy) nor have kids and I think religion (except Buddhist and Shinto). If I did have a religious belief, it would be more in the way of something to do with nature or Japanese history, because I love the culture enough to adopt it.

Considering this is a thread about American politics, I might as well comment on the oddity of the two party system. The fact that you are expected to vote for one of two parties and any deviation from that is seen as waste of democracy... It just seems to create a really warped idea of democracy and ideology.

Here liberal conservatives, religious conservatives and libertarians each have their own major parties to vote for, so it's not like they are all expected to fall in line. It's true that political parties will form alliances here but they are still distinct institutions with their own ideologies that they try to uphold. And it's not like the political parties we have are set in stone, the second largest party now was established in 1988, so it's not like we can just expect the biggest parties to remain the biggest here.

In America it just seems really weird to me. If someone is conservative but secular, it doesn't really make sense for that person to vote for a religious conservative who tries to subvert the separation of church and state. But because they agree somewhat more than they disagree, the secular conservative still finds himself voting for the religious conservative, since the only other option is voting for someone who would make even more disagreeable changes. That's not really good.

[ToTheNines]

Maybe the $#!( mob can be incited to go to Newsom's house to have a "mostly peaceful protest".

Not so fast bucko. Regular folks might have to deal with mob violence, but the ruling class wouldn’t put up with it for 2 seconds.

Donny Rapefingers

https://img.ifunny.co/images/1a66438ada91aba55a6bca3e2a799fd5228a8d6a502be5a49a 76e4a0605055be_1.jpg

[Barkworm]

Once again, it's really... interesting how news can be perceived in completely opposite ways ways. We've got

"President sends national guard to liberal hellhole after leftist lunatics start rebellion"

vs.

"Wannabe dictator abuses power to pit national guard against protesters."

[ToTheNines]

Once again, it's really... interesting how news can be perceived in completely opposite ways ways. We've got

"President sends national guard to liberal hellhole after leftist lunatics start rebellion"

vs.

"Wannabe dictator abuses power to pit national guard against protesters."

All part of the psyop. Choose your reality.

[Autbot_Benz]

Once again, it's really... interesting how news can be perceived in completely opposite ways ways. We've got

"President sends national guard to liberal hellhole after leftist lunatics start rebellion"

vs.

"Wannabe dictator abuses power to pit national guard against protesters."

Speaking of Donny the wannabe Dictator who is excited for his birthday dictator style parade this weekend with tanks soldiers guns the whole nine yards.

[ToTheNines]

Yeah that parade is gonna be gay as hell lol

[Andrew NDB]

Sends troops in, Donny Rapefingers had no plan for them afterwards though…


https://i.imgur.com/pzX60Ot.jpeg

Because it's the POTUS' job to plan people's sleeping arrangements? That should be part of his day to day? Maybe he should take a few hours out of the day and make reservations for them at 4 star hotels?

Utterly moronic.

[Barkworm]

He sent them, he needs to take care of them. If he had discussed it with Newsom first, it would be a different story. Don't throw the word "moron" around so easily.

[Andrew NDB]

I mostly mean it's just such an appalling, fundamental misunderstanding of how the military exists or operates that there's people out there that actually believe the POTUS should be sitting there on the phone -- personally -- making 2,000 hotel reservations for the National Guard members, since he had the nerve to send them at all. There is an entire chain of command all with dedicated roles and NCOs in charge of things like food/cooking, water, and accommodations. And yeah, it's not remotely unusual to have to sleep on the floor during deployments. Sleeping on the floor of random LA halls is pretty luxurious accommodations for them compared to what they see often times overseas.

[Barkworm]

The problem is elsewhere: They shouldn't even be there in the first place.

[Andrew NDB]

The problem is elsewhere: They shouldn't even be there in the first place.

This is literally what they train for and why the National Guard exists.

[ranger_scout]

Mark Ruffalo is a very sad man, who is out of touch with society. How can you call these peaceful civil disobedience protests?

Turning the military directly on American citizens on US soil is unconstitutional. This is not an insurrection. These are peaceful civil disobedience protests. They’re treating our National Guard like trash. June 14 is no Kings Day. Find a protest in your city.

https://media.breitbart.com/media/2025/06/ruffaloLA-640x480.jpg

https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:2pdwbxbjzxvkkz6qyxs5rvnx/post/3lr7r3btyak2g?ref_src=embed&ref_url=https%253A%252F%252Fwww.breitbart.com%252F entertainment%252F2025%252F06%252F10%252Fdisneys-avengers-star-mark-ruffalo-calls-days-of-violent-anti-ice-riots-and-looting-peaceful-civil-disobedience-protests%252F

Hillary Clinton has always been an evil woman. She's also completely wrong for saying that these were peaceful demonstrations and that Trump doesn't want to keep Californians safe.

California Governor Newsom didn't request the National Guard be deployed to his state following peaceful demonstrations. Trump sent them anyway. It's the first time in 60 years a president has made that choice. Trump's goal isn't to keep Californians safe. His goal is to cause chaos, because chaos is good for Trump."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/delusional-hillaryy-clinton-savagely-mocked-la-riots-response-only-leftists-disable-comments

[ResidentEvil7]

I haven't been paying attention to this situation today, but I hope Trump sends in the Marines and other parts of the Armed Forces to open up a can of whoop ass on those illegal wetback invaders!

[ranger_scout]

Don’t use libsoftiktok that is literally a garbage twitter account

Why shouldn't I? They were the ones who helped expose that disrespectful transgender activist who went topless on the White House lawn during a pride event hosted by the Biden Administration.

[ToTheNines]

I haven't been paying attention to this situation today, but I hope Trump sends in the Marines and other parts of the Armed Forces to open up a can of whoop ass on those illegal wetback invaders!

Racial slur.

You may fire when ready, Barkworm. *plays taps*

[Barkworm]

Aw, man...

[ranger_scout]

A report says that it took the LAPD 2 hours to respond to help ICE officers.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/gop-lawmaker-demands-accountability-lapds-delayed-response-time-helping-assaulted-ice-officers

[Autbot_Benz]

Since you know who got banned whose gonna step up to kiss Trump’s butt next :lol:

[ToTheNines]

Since you know who got banned whose gonna step up to kiss Trump’s butt next :lol:

Sh*t I’ll do it. *ahem*

I’m so gay! I love men and hate women! Donald Trump is the man!

https://i.imgflip.com/68p9pq.jpg

[IndigoErth]

Yeah that parade is gonna be gay as hell lol
You have NO idea how bad I now want pride month celebrators -- the really flashy joyful type of folks that love pride parades -- to show up and make it exactly that. :tlol:

[Andrew NDB]

Aw, man...

I'm not convinced that was even a real account. *shrug*

[IMJ]

The problem is elsewhere: They shouldn't even be there in the first place.

That is not even remotely true. Not even one iota of that statement is remotely true.

Racial slur.

You may fire when ready, Barkworm. *plays taps*

Say "Bye bye psycho-Joey!"

I'm not convinced that was even a real account. *shrug*

0% chance.

[Mayhem]

The marines are there to protect federal property. Any further use to directly go after protestors… will be a damned if do or don’t situation.

[IMJ]

The marines are there to protect federal property. Any further use to directly go after protestors… will be a damned if do or don’t situation.

They aren't "protestors". That's America's hoodrat population out there doing what they do - using any excuse they can to steal Adidas, eat free hot chip, and break glass. Over there. In any failing and flailing liberal city.

It's very similar to your ongoing commentary - any excuse to gaslight or wordplay deeper into your social-positioning of deranged Trump-hate. Over there. In the failing and flailing U.K.

But that aside, yes the military is there to protect Federal property, and rightfully so. I say point the "protestors" at Gavin Newsom's rich-white-man mansion so they can freely go there in Newsom's "sovereign state" for "mostly peaceful" "discussion".

[ToTheNines]

I'm not convinced that was even a real account. *shrug*

Yeah, something seemed off there. I guess we’ll never know.

[Mayhem]

They aren't "protestors". That's America's hoodrat population out there doing what they do - using any excuse they can to steal Adidas, eat free hot chip, and break glass. Over there. In any failing and flailing liberal city.
The right wing media and socials have been stoking that up a lot more than it's actually going on, and that's coming from people I know who live in LA. Most of the protests have been peaceful but vocal (see the LA soccer supporters).

The marines are in a no win situation imo. They are not legally allowed to directly engage with the public unless attacked, so if they are ordered unlawfully to start shooting folks, they're either going to be seen as killing innocents, or if they refuse orders, court martialed for disobeyed an instruction. Hence why Trump is so desperate to get this levelled as an insurrection, when in fact, it's far far from the case.

[Andrew NDB]

I think the point is to put out such a showing of force this time that next time the weirdos will think twice about agitating. Period. So Trump won't have to do all of this again anywhere, he just has to do it one time. But if he has to do it again then he has to do it again if the lesson isn't learned. Don't burn cars, throw bricks at cops and loot, I guess. Crazy stuff, right?

[member_removed]

I think the point is to put out such a showing of force this time that next time the weirdos will think twice about agitating. Period. So Trump won't have to do all of this again anywhere, he just has to do it one time. But if he has to do it again then he has to do it again if the lesson isn't learned. Don't burn cars, throw bricks at cops and loot, I guess. Crazy stuff, right?

Expect where was this response for the "agitators" on Jan 6?

Just pardons (4 years after the event, he still had two weeks to pardon them in 2021, why not).

This is nothing more than pure hypocrisy. You either treat all protests the same or not at all.

I'm curious to see if/when this plays out in a Red state with a large Latin population, I think it's more likely the next set of raids will be in New York or Illinois before Texas or Florida, if at all.

[Andrew NDB]

Expect where was this response for the "agitators" on Jan 6?

He offered the National Guard and Pelosi turned him down. Then later Pelosi admitted it was her fault.

[IMJ]

Expect where was this response for the "agitators" on Jan 6?

Just pardons (4 years after the event, he still had two weeks to pardon them in 2021, why not).

This is nothing more than pure hypocrisy. You either treat all protests the same or not at all.

I'm curious to see if/when this plays out in a Red state with a large Latin population, I think it's more likely the next set of raids will be in New York or Illinois before Texas or Florida, if at all.

More armchair quarterbacking going on about America from a guy in another broken country. You do not "treat all protests the same". You have your direction-of-action all wrong 100%. Protesting is a right, but you still have to monitor and respond to it depending on size, motivation and incitement.

Maybe you should pay more attention to the wide $#!(show that is Australia before you discuss the melting pot that is the U.S. Your own country locks up colored people (Aborigine's) at outrageous rates, you can't buy a good without paying 10x the going rate anywhere else and you make nothing. And even more, a guy from Australia lecturing people about whatever he thinks he knows about "Violence at the capital" while living in a country that ranks in the top ten for domestic violence and would rank higher if underreporting due to fear wasn't such a huge issue.

You people are so full of $#!( I can't stand it. It's very simple - if someone is here illegally then they should be deported. But you keep on believing the narratives about "people being kidnapped in the night". When the f'n war starts, it isn't going to be about "ideology". It's going to be people who address reality versus people who address their own mental issues by warping reality.

HUGE F'N EYEROLL AT THIS CLOWN SAYING "TREAT ALL PROTESTS THE SAME". WTF Ever. GTFOH.

[member_removed]

He offered the National Guard and Pelosi turned him down. Then later Pelosi admitted it was her fault.

Can you cite a source on this, all I can find is this stating that both Pelosi and McConnell requested assistance and neither had the authority over turn POTUS on that.

https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-235651652542

More armchair quarterbacking going on about America from a guy in another broken country. You do not "treat all protests the same". You have your direction-of-action all wrong 100%. Protesting is a right, but you still have to monitor and respond to it depending on size, motivation and incitement.

Cool, was this done back then? Hell where is Trump telling the LA protestor that he loves them and they are special?

Maybe you should pay more attention to the wide $#!(show that is Australia before you discuss the melting pot that is the U.S. Your own country locks up colored people (Aborigine's) at outrageous rates, you can't buy a good without paying 10x the going rate anywhere else and you make nothing. And even more, a guy from Australia lecturing people about whatever he thinks he knows about "Violence at the capital" while living in a country that ranks in the top ten for domestic violence and would rank higher if underreporting due to fear wasn't such a huge issue.

I’m very happy where I live thanks. Wouldn’t trade it. The indigenous incarceration rate is horrifically high, I agree. And the rate of African Americans/Latino in US prisons is at 62% of the prison population. You really want throw stones on this one. Why are you such a hypocritic.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2002/02/27/us-incarceration-rates-reveal-striking-racial-disparities?gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=16363698676&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIgbOw56DrjQMV0V8PAh163DI6EAAYASAA EgIcbvD_BwE

Yes, our rates of domestic violence are unacceptable and needs to be addressed. I can admit that.
Meanwhile in my country, Woman are not dying from having a miscarriage, because they’re terrified to seek medical help.

But you can’t say from your soap box that there is no violence in the US, where does the US stand on levels of gun violence? Hom much of the US’s Gun violence is related to domestic violence?
School shootings. Can you honestly not be saddened by this and not want to demand better of your governments? Where else dies this happen with such frequency in western world?
Both of our countries have positives and negatives and it would be better if we could learn and exchange from each other.

You people are so full of $#!( I can't stand it. It's very simple - if someone is here illegally then they should be deported. But you keep on believing the narratives about "people being kidnapped in the night". When the f'n war starts, it isn't going to be about "ideology". It's going to be people who address reality versus people who address their own mental issues by warping reality.
HUGE F'N EYEROLL AT THIS CLOWN SAYING "TREAT ALL PROTESTS THE SAME". WTF Ever. GTFOH.

Eye roll all you want, just don’t smudge your own clown make up.

[Mayhem]

Funny how the escalation of the protests in LA, which has been mostly peaceful, happening right after Trump called in the NG. Can’t have any dissent against Dear Leader now.

And any protests are banned for the Trump birthday parade, I mean military anniversary, celebration coming up… again, unlawful to 1A.

[Andrew NDB]

Funny how the escalation of the protests in LA, which has been mostly peaceful

That's probably the most funny post I've read on this forum, ever.

[Mayhem]

Not sure why. Most of the protests in LA were peaceful before Trump sent the NG in. Then it escalated. Escalated further now the Marines have been sent. Don’t see the correlation? Given Dear Leader wants NO protests at his hijacked birthday parade, he’s effectively sticking a finger up at 1A.

[IMJ]

Not sure why. Most of the protests in LA were peaceful before Trump sent the NG in. Then it escalated. Escalated further now the Marines have been sent. Don’t see the correlation?

:lol::lol::lol:

You people are in deep, deep, DEEP $#!( the more normal society either turns your own gaslighting tactics against you, or just begins to take action no matter what you have to say.

It's going to be the social equivalent of some loudmouth talking all sorts of $#!( because he's used to overrunning people with his mouth, but then he runs into the guy who just isn't having it anymore and goes to town in an instant.

The presence of military on federal grounds escalates nothing. It's the choices of people like you who bring trouble and then point fingers elsewhere. You are the evil. You.

Given Dear Leader wants NO protests at his hijacked birthday parade, he’s effectively sticking a finger up at 1A.

He's sticking a finger up at you, which is why we elected him. To f off the your entire archetype.

[ToTheNines]

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[FredWolfLeonardo]

Red-pill all the way.

It goes so much deeper than Trump and wokeness.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Looks like another war might've just begun.

Hopefully American families don't have to watch their children get sent to the Middle East and die, or get their tax dollars wasted on another foreign war.

[Andrew NDB]

Hopefully American families don't have to watch their children get sent to the Middle East and die, or get their tax dollars wasted on another foreign war.

Boots on the ground is the last thing you'd have to worry about.

[Mayhem]

The presence of military on federal grounds escalates nothing. It's the choices of people like you who bring trouble and then point fingers elsewhere. You are the evil. You.

I'm going by what people I know who live in LA have said. There was very little actual trouble destruction wise until the NG were sent in and started pissing around. And when the deployed troops are randomly shooting anyone, not even threatening, and even journalists (three reports filed) then then really think they can act with impunity. And that's why things got worse. Which is why I've taken everything off the media and social networks with a huge grain of salt and relied on people who are, you know, actually there.

[Barkworm]

:lol::lol::lol:

You people are in deep, deep, DEEP $#!( the more normal society either turns your own gaslighting tactics against you, or just begins to take action no matter what you have to say.

It's going to be the social equivalent of some loudmouth talking all sorts of $#!( because he's used to overrunning people with his mouth, but then he runs into the guy who just isn't having it anymore and goes to town in an instant.

The presence of military on federal grounds escalates nothing. It's the choices of people like you who bring trouble and then point fingers elsewhere. You are the evil. You.



He's sticking a finger up at you, which is why we elected him. To f off the your entire archetype.
While Mayhem writes everything in a neutral, calm tone with the occasional jab at your loco president, some of your posts read like you're close to getting a stroke. It just makes you look bad.

[Walkabout]

Here in Australia, illegal immigrants are deported and asylum seekers get locked up (often for years on end) in offshore detention centres.
It's ugly, but a Sovereign Nation has the right to protect it's borders and decide who becomes a citizen or not.
I think it's ridiculous how excuses are made for the rioting because of who the President is.

I would expect short thrift if I went to Japan, overstayed my visa and then attacked the police...

[Barkworm]

Here in Australia, illegal immigrants are deported and asylum seekers get locked up (often for years on end) in offshore detention centres.
It's ugly, but a Sovereign Nation has the right to protect it's borders and decide who becomes a citizen or not.
I think it's ridiculous how excuses are made for the rioting because of who the President is.

I would expect short thrift if I went to Japan, overstayed my visa and then attacked the police...
Are you implying that some of the protesters are illegal immigrants themselves? Is this true? I haven‘t read anything about that.

[Andrew NDB]

Are you implying that some of the protesters are illegal immigrants themselves? Is this true? I haven‘t read anything about that.

With respect...

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I don't think you really have a good grasp on how many illegal immigrants we have here. Like, I know hundreds in my day to day. We're friends. They are openly talking on social media about attending these things in the Seattle area. I wish them no ill will but... you probably shouldn't be attending these things.

But no, I don't believe for a moment those represent the bulk or even a sizeable majority of the rioters. In fact, a lot are scared. I have a friend with a wife who is illegal, whose parents are illegal, and the dad used to own a barber shop. When Trump got elected he stopped getting any clients because everyone knew he was illegal and a shop owner so they wouldn't want to risk getting their hair cut there anymore. So he had to close up. It's sad, it's unfortunate... but what do you want? And the illegals getting swept up in these riots/"protests" are processed "downtown." No press allowed there. There isn't to be any articles or news showings of how many they take behind closed doors end up being illegals after they're pressed. But I know for a fact there's tons here in Seattle. I've definitely lost a couple friends along the way and other friendships have become strained, but I've also given tons of advice about how to become NOT illegal, of which a couple have heeded.

[Barkworm]

I wasn‘t being snarky, I have actually not read anything about what groups the demonstrations consist of.

[Andrew NDB]

I wasn‘t being snarky, I have actually not read anything about what groups the demonstrations consist of.

I honestly didn't presume you were.

[ToTheNines]

**** Israel. That is all.

[Autbot_Benz]

There is a small chance Donny’s birthday Dictator parade might get rained out today.

[ZariusTwo]

Two key democratic lawmakers have been shot dead along with their spouses by someone posing as a cop

https://minnesotareformer.com/2025/06/14/minnesota-house-democratic-leader-dead-after-targeted-shooting-democratic-senator-also-shot/

[ToTheNines]

Operation Gladio redux.

[IMJ]

Two key democratic lawmakers have been shot dead along with their spouses by someone posing as a cop

https://minnesotareformer.com/2025/06/14/minnesota-house-democratic-leader-dead-after-targeted-shooting-democratic-senator-also-shot/

To be honest I'm surprised it hasn't happened to Pelosi and Schumer, especially in light of the assassination attempt on Trump. I wouldn't be surprised if several of those city "protests" sees a few people surrounding clusters and just mowing down ANTIFA-style people (now rebranded as "No Kings" - it's all the same).

Normal people are tired of society's children out "mouthing" and "doing" through their skewed worldviews, man. And so the left-of-skewed-world-views is going to run into those on the right with skewed-world-solutions more and more.

[IndigoErth]

There is a small chance Donny’s birthday Dictator parade might get rained out today.

It might not be that kind of parade...but I'd almost pay to see him soaking wet and mad sitting in a throne on top of a parade float in the pouring rain. (Sad that AI won't let me make a cartoonish image like that. Even without names it keeps blocking it.)



Two key democratic lawmakers have been shot dead along with their spouses by someone posing as a cop

https://minnesotareformer.com/2025/06/14/minnesota-house-democratic-leader-dead-after-targeted-shooting-democratic-senator-also-shot/

:tsad: Heard in passing of one and her spouse, and supposedly another attack, but both in their homes? No way that wasn't planned by the same person/people. Too sad.

[IndigoErth]

I'm sorry, but the narrator of Trump's snooze worthy parade sounds like a Price Is Right announcer audition reject.

[Walkabout]

8)Are you implying that some of the protesters are illegal immigrants themselves? Is this true? I haven‘t read anything about that.

No Sir, that was not my intention.
I assume the people rioting err, protesting would be what we call "RENT A CROWD" (and no, I'm not implying they were actually rented, hehe)

[Autbot_Benz]

As expected barely anyone showed up for Trump’s birthday dictator parade. Lots of empty seats :lol:

[FredWolfLeonardo]

The military parade sucked, there's no sugarcoating it.

[Andrew NDB]

As expected barely anyone showed up for Trump’s birthday dictator parade.

But you did. Mentally.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Statement by Trump today:

"The U.S. had nothing to do with the attack on Iran, tonight. If we are attacked in any way, shape or form by Iran, the full strength and might of the U.S. Armed Forces will come down on you at levels never seen before. However, we can easily get a deal done between Iran and Israel, and end this bloody conflict!!!"

It's honestly kind of hard to believe the U.S. is not involved considering its history in the Middle East. But if Trump is telling the truth about not being involved in Iran, then that's better for all Americans.

Also, this could be the precursor to a false-flag attack in the United States that gets blamed on Iran. The reality is that war is not beneficial for either America or Iran, let the past interventions in the Middle East serve as a warning.

[Andrew NDB]

The US was definitely briefed by the Israelis on their intended plans and given the go-ahead. But that's the extent of our involvement. This did happen, of course, exactly 61 days after Trump said Iran had 60 days to make a deal to stop enriching uranium.

[ToTheNines]

Also, this could be the precursor to a false-flag attack in the United States that gets blamed on Iran.

Oh 1000 percent. Mainstream politicians on the left and right and both constantly saying weird stuff about Iran, so you know it’s a top priority for the deep state.

The biggest moment for me was when Trump’s goofy ass vaguely and cryptically suggested that Iran was possibly behind the Thomas Matthew Crooks assassination attempt. I mean come the **** on!

[neatoman]

Trump does indeed tend to be a little cryptic but that comes with being a politician... Actually, arguably more so than most of them now that I think about it.
ERUngQUCsyE

This was pretty funny though. Just say some well known quote like "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth", even I know that's Genesis 1:1 without needing to look it up.

[Mayhem]

Favourite quote about the parade yesterday: this parade could have been an email :lol:

[ToTheNines]

Trump does indeed tend to be a little cryptic but that comes with being a politician... Actually, arguably more so than most of them now that I think about it.
ERUngQUCsyE

This was pretty funny though. Just say some well known quote like "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth", even I know that's Genesis 1:1 without needing to look it up.

John 3:16 is another gimme.

Trump pretending to be a Christian is the political inverse of old asses like Bernie, Biden or Pelosi pretending the care about or even understand what **** like “Latinx”, preferred pronouns, or BLM are.

Favourite quote about the parade yesterday: this parade could have been an email :lol:

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[IndigoErth]

This was pretty funny though.

Dodge and weave! Dodge and weave!


Favourite quote about the parade yesterday: this parade could have been an email :lol:

:lol: Not wrong.

[Coola Yagami]

eh Trump should get the hint that nobody likes him. Not anyone that matters anyways. What the **** was he expecting to happen when he hijacked the parade to be all about him.

[Andrew NDB]

The biggest moment for me was when Trump’s goofy ass vaguely and cryptically suggested that Iran was possibly behind the Thomas Matthew Crooks assassination attempt. I mean come the **** on!

It sounds a bit nuts on the surface but there's some interesting stuff there. We still don't know much/anything about the guy and as far as I'm aware they still haven't even gotten into his phones. And Iran's plans to assassinate Trump came to light right around this time.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Iran has absolutely nothing to gain if Trump got assasinated.

In fact, between Trump insisting that Iran was wanting to kill him, getting money from Miriam Adleson and him being friends with Jeffrey Epstein, you would think that he is being blackmailed by a party who will benefit from America being dragged into a war with Iran.

[Andrew NDB]

Iran has absolutely nothing to gain if Trump got assasinated.

How so? Trump's whole thing is that the Obama/Biden deal with Iran to give them tons of cash and still let them enrich uranium was, #1 the worst deal he had ever seen, and #2 would be going bye-bye. He was open and loud about it every step of the way. Killing in its infancy their plans to nuke the "Little Satan" (Israel) and then maybe getting around to the "Big Satan" (the US).

[FredWolfLeonardo]

How so? Trump's whole thing is that the Obama/Biden deal with Iran to give them tons of cash and still let them enrich uranium was, #1 the worst deal he had ever seen, and #2 would be going bye-bye. He was open and loud about it every step of the way. Killing in its infancy their plans to nuke the "Little Satan" (Israel) and then maybe getting around to the "Big Satan" (the US).

Iran has no plans to nuke Israel or America either. Nuclear weapons usage is prohibited in Islam as per a fatwa issued by Iran's supreme religious authority due to the destructive impact it has on God's creation.

They do have a nuclear programme, but it's not to develop a weapon itself, only to have "the ability to develop a weapon" which is a deterrence that prevents Iran from being destroyed like other Middle Eastern Regimes.

[Mayhem]

All this tit for tat missile exchange... I'm not particularly hopeful it's going to resolve itself anytime soon.

Crooks is still a weird one, in as much that we already know more about Boeller and it's been literally two days.

eh Trump should get the hint that nobody likes him. Not anyone that matters anyways. What the **** was he expecting to happen when he hijacked the parade to be all about him.
I saw some comments about the fact the Army wasn't marching together or in time like they see with North Korea or Russia, and I wasn't sure if they were being serious or joking here. if serious, then yeah, they want a dictator and a dictator-like parade in their country after fighting decades against them.

[ToTheNines]

It sounds a bit nuts on the surface but there's some interesting stuff there. We still don't know much/anything about the guy and as far as I'm aware they still haven't even gotten into his phones. And Iran's plans to assassinate Trump came to light right around this time.

Anything related to that shooter and Iran is purely distraction.

At the very least, there was an obvious plot within the Secret Service to lighten security. Not to mention the FBI released the crime scene after 3 days and made sure the body was cremated 10 days later, both before the opportunity for a congressional investigation could take place.

This went on within our own government. Of course they want people to think a foreign enemy was behind it.


Iran has absolutely nothing to gain if Trump got assasinated.

In fact, between Trump insisting that Iran was wanting to kill him, getting money from Miriam Adleson and him being friends with Jeffrey Epstein, you would think that he is being blackmailed by a party who will benefit from America being dragged into a war with Iran.

https://media1.tenor.com/m/5X0XAl2Q76UAAAAC/fadding-smart.gif

[Mayhem]

If this is true, no reason to doubt it, why the **** should anyone want to fly to the US for any kind of holiday etc right now?

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DK9E7tDP-iM/?igsh=MXdwdThteTBmbXU2OA==

[IMJ]

If this is true, no reason to doubt it, why the **** should anyone want to fly to the US for any kind of holiday etc right now?

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DK9E7tDP-iM/?igsh=MXdwdThteTBmbXU2OA==

Rriiiigggghhhtttt.... this bull$!( inciter story frames everything as some kind of "freedom of speech arrest" and tells his story of a "12 hour detainment". But not really "why" or the conditions "how" and in complete disregard for the tens of thousands of visitors that come to America without any problems.

You people are peasant-thinkers spouting stories that are either modified or in disregard of the full picture in order to paint an image of some totalitarian regime that DOES NOT EXIST. And the rest eat it up in confirmation bias and self-importance, because nothing makes society's clown feel more self-important than being glued to the next story of "destruction" and the alleged "evil" they were "born to be against". PEASANT. THINKING.

BUT keep believing what you will - it's your own lives being hemmed up by the psychology while the rest of us normally operating people of all colors seem to be just fine. And I expect NONE of you to own that. At all - it's part of your psychosis.

99.999% of the time, if the guy was detained then there was a reason for it on his end. Not a manufactured reason to conform to your delusions of "supervillain evil". :roll:

[Mayhem]

Did you even get to the end? There's plenty of similar stories that they all can't be making things up. Why do you think tourism is down 40%?

[Andrew NDB]

Did you even get to the end? There's plenty of similar stories that they all can't be making things up.

https://media.tenor.com/tgeCLa1OljQAAAAM/code.gif

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Did you even get to the end? There's plenty of similar stories that they all can't be making things up. Why do you think tourism is down 40%?

I watched it to the end and you're right. People don't want to visit a country which is on the brink of being dragged into a war and where you can be deported for criticising Israel.

[Barkworm]

Reminds me of how a friend of us who lives in Colorado invited us to visit them this summer. But we reeeeeally don't want to go.

[Andrew NDB]

I mean, it's not TOO surprising, really. The lefties run all the media as a propaganda wing of the democrats and all they're putting out there is that we're some kind of nazi-occupied hellscape where rights are being taken away everyday. I've had family members in Colombia reach out to me asking me if I'm OK and safe and it's ridiculous what they're seeing on the news.

The reality is that things are just fine.

[Mayhem]

Things are just fine for the people who believe the same as the orange man baby in charge and support tearing down rights. Anyone else, well **** ‘em, huh? Remember when presidents said they were for everyone and actually tried to be that regardless of which side of the political coin they were? Far cry from that ideal now.

[Andrew NDB]

Anyone else, well **** ‘em, huh?

The people that were angry before Trump got elected are still angry now. They're just angrier, throwing tantrums and flailing about a little more than before.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Things are just fine for the people who believe the same as the orange man baby in charge and support tearing down rights. Anyone else, well **** ‘em, huh? Remember when presidents said they were for everyone and actually tried to be that regardless of which side of the political coin they were? Far cry from that ideal now.

The way I see it, all of the post Ww2 Presidents have aggressively silenced critics of Israel, but Trump is just more blatant and honest about it which makes him better or worse depending on how you look at it.

[Andrew NDB]

I can understand a lot of the skepticism towards Israel and the IDF to a certain extent but what I don't understand is all of the trust people have in Iran. What is that about?

[FredWolfLeonardo]

I can understand a lot of the skepticism towards Israel and the IDF to a certain extent but what I don't understand is all of the trust people have in Iran. What is that about?

Criticising Israeli control over the United States does not equal to trusting Iran.

If Iran was controlling the United States and dragging them into a war with Israel, I would not support that either. But Iran doesn't control America and you will never have your life destroyed by an Iranian Cabal for criticising their country.

[member_removed]

I mean, it's not TOO surprising, really. The lefties run all the media as a propaganda wing of the democrats and all they're putting out there is that we're some kind of nazi-occupied hellscape where rights are being taken away everyday. I've had family members in Colombia reach out to me asking me if I'm OK and safe and it's ridiculous what they're seeing on the news.

The reality is that things are just fine.

At this point Fox news is pretty much State sponsored propaganda.



I can understand a lot of the skepticism towards Israel and the IDF to a certain extent but what I don't understand is all of the trust people have in Iran. What is that about?

I don't think anyone trusts Iran. More like which douchebag do you hate less. This reeks of Heel vs Heel wrestling booking.

Netanyahu has been claiming Iran will have nuclear weapons in a few years since 1992. It's classic "Boy who cried wolf" (it could happen).

It's more that people trust Iran, but people just trust Netanyahu less.

[Mayhem]

Iran doesn't have nuclear weapons. Israel on the other hand... worst kept secret.

[Andrew NDB]

SEND IN THE TROOPS!

https://komonews.com/news/nation-world/appeals-court-rules-president-donald-trump-can-retain-control-of-national-guard-troops-in-los-angeles-immigration-ice-raids-statutory-authority-violent-protesters-riots-gov-newsom#

[IMJ]

SEND IN THE TROOPS!

https://komonews.com/news/nation-world/appeals-court-rules-president-donald-trump-can-retain-control-of-national-guard-troops-in-los-angeles-immigration-ice-raids-statutory-authority-violent-protesters-riots-gov-newsom#

Of course he can. It was your typical liberal gaslighting that led people to think otherwise.

I said several years ago somewhere here on the forums that the last bastion of sanity would generally be the courts. I hope that honest intellectualism continues to win on those platforms. It doesn't always, but much of the time, in either direction.

[Mayhem]

Still has to go through the courts first before they can be assigned though, according to the ruling.

[IMJ]

Still has to go through the courts first before they can be assigned though, according to the ruling.

I think you're mental illness was compelled to add that as some kind of "minor victory".

I can imagine the ringing in your ears and hyperventilating was lessoned a bit while talking to yourself saying "okay -huff- okay -huff- okay it still has to go through the courts.... he didn't win all the way... okay -huff- okay -huff- it's okay...."

:lol:

[ToTheNines]

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[Barkworm]

I think you're mental illness was compelled to add that as some kind of "minor victory".

I can imagine the ringing in your ears and hyperventilating was lessoned a bit while talking to yourself saying "okay -huff- okay -huff- okay it still has to go through the courts.... he didn't win all the way... okay -huff- okay -huff- it's okay...."

:lol:

See man, we're usually cool but this is the last time you've insulted anyone here like that.

[IMJ]

See man, we're usually cool but this is the last time you've insulted anyone here like that.

Alright, fair enough.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

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Best Trump quote of all time, even if its sarcastic.

I sometimes like to go into hypotheticals, what if Trump decided to become Ultra-Based today? I probably imagine the historic speech going something like this:

My beloved American people. Tonight, I need to make an announcement that will put my life in danger, but you have every right to know. I had initially told the world that in two weeks, I would make the decision of whether the United States will get involved in the war against Iran. Well today I have made my final decision and its gonna be a big one, that we are not going to war with Iran.

I know it may come as a big shock considering the statements I've made leading up to this day, but I have to finally admit the truth which was being hidden from me all this time. Iran does not have a nuclear weapon, or even the intention to build one.

I'm sure you know who are the foreign agents who pushed this lie upon us, for decades in fact. For more than 30 years, they kept telling us that Iran will have a nuclear weapon in 2 weeks and because they were our so-called greatest ally, we trusted them.

If we had made the decision to go to war with Iran on behalf of them, it would've been the same disaster which we saw in Iraq. Remember that? How Bibi Netanyahu pushed us into a war precipitated on the lie of Iraq possessing weapons of Mass Destruction? I sure do, and I will make sure we don't repeat the same mistake in Iran.

By not going to war, the precious lives of our troops will be spared from another pointless Middle Eastern war, and trillions of dollars, that need to go to Americans in need, will not be wasted. History has shown us that whenever Israel, and yes, I am not scared to call them out anymore, has dragged us into the Middle East, whether it be Afghanistan, Iraq or Libya, it would always end in disaster for the American people.

As part of my 2024 Presidential campaign, I promised no new wars, and I am going to stick by that. I would like to apologise to Tulsi Gabbard, the United States Director of National Intelligence, for rejecting her words in favour of Bibi Netanyahu's, and I would like to apologise to the American people for the billions of dollars spent on Israel rather than on their quality of life.

I am ready to face all the consequences of not getting involved in this war, and not spending our money on Israel's wars. Make America Great Again.

It will probably never happen but one can dream.

[Mayhem]

I was merely noting there were still checks and balances about deploying the NG, he can’t just order it and make it happen without question. Hardly hyperventilation territory.

To note, I’d be saying the same if any president acted in this fashion. But they haven’t. Trump wants to be a dictator like his friends Vlad and Kim, but the pesky system keeps stopping him from ruling without question…

[IMJ]

I was merely noting there were still checks and balances about deploying the NG, he can’t just order it and make it happen without question. Hardly hyperventilation territory.

To note, I’d be saying the same if any president acted in this fashion. But they haven’t. Trump wants to be a dictator like his friends Vlad and Kim, but the pesky system keeps stopping him from ruling without question…

Yeah well you know, I find your perspective to be untrue and your perception of the situation to be questionable. And that's really what I push back on - I'm happy to respect all opinions, but when the opinions are fueled by pure theme-creation and bias - "Trump wants to be a dictator" - a bias that I'm quoting that you've expressed in writing, is then pure evidence of thought processes. Evidence.

And I think that's, then, fair game for commentary. But you know, we are on a private forum that is moderated and not out in the open public; and so if it's Barkworm's sensibility as the current mod that there's an issue then so be it.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

It will probably never happen but one can dream.

Now it will definetly never happen.

America has attacked Iran. Now your taxpayer dollars are going to be wasted on destroying non-existent WMDs like its 2003 all over again.

[Andrew NDB]

Israel can take it from here. Though if Iran does retaliate on the US... yeesh. That's not going to be good.

[IMJ]

non-existent WMDs like its 2003 all over again.

You really can't really just go to that as if it's the most logical assumption. Also, there's a LOT of room for "they were developing WMD's" as opposed to "had WMD's". Israel went after several of their Nuclear Scientists in Iran just the other day.

There's precedent for all of these actions, although my knee jerk response would be "support our ally Israel, but do it for a long time without first-hand military action".

[FredWolfLeonardo]

You really can't really just go to that as if it's the most logical assumption. Also, there's a LOT of room for "they were developing WMD's" as opposed to "had WMD's". Israel went after several of their Nuclear Scientists in Iran just the other day.

There's precedent for all of these actions, although my knee jerk response would be "support our ally Israel, but do it for a long time without first-hand military action".

I don't agree with that obviously, but Trump's whole deal was "Iran can't have a nuclear weapon", not that Iran "can't have the capability to develop a nuclear weapon" which they won't make or use anyway because their supreme religious authority prohibits them from doing so.

Frankly, I think this will make Trump look idiotic, and I have been one of his biggest defenders otherwise.

[Andrew NDB]

I don't agree with that obviously, but Trump's whole deal was "Iran can't have a nuclear weapon", not that Iran "can't have the capability to develop a nuclear weapon" which they won't make or use anyway because their supreme religious authority prohibits them from doing so.

Until he doesn't. And he can't prohibit them from doing something they can't even do yet, until they enrich enough uranium. It'd be like, "The governor prohibits you from flying a flying car!" when no one has even finished building a flying car yet.

I DO wonder, though, wouldn't it have been more "clean" to just give Israel the B2 bombers with the payloads, and let them do the bombing runs themselves?

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Until he doesn't. And he can't prohibit them from doing something they can't even do yet, until they enrich enough uranium. It'd be like, "The governor prohibits you from flying a flying car!" when no one has even finished building a flying car yet.

The whole prohibition is stupid. Iran doesn't even want to build a nuclear weapon, they are not North Korea.


I DO wonder, though, wouldn't it have been more "clean" to just give Israel the B2 bombers with the payloads, and let them do the bombing runs themselves?

Do you really think Israel would pass up an opportunity where they can make the U.S. do their work rather than put their own people's lives at risk?

[Andrew NDB]

I'm going to kind of lay out my general thoughts about all of this:

* There definitely can be no Iran enriching uranium. Not when they are routinely chanting "Death to America" and promising annihilation to its enemies and funding proxy terrorist groups with clearly the same agenda. There just isn't any way. They are an oil rich nation that doesn't care about things like the environment... there is no argument that explains why they would need to enrich uranium at the level they were doing if it wasn't for weapons, or leading up to weapons. Or working on weapons grade uranium over here in the corner behind this here curtain. This isn't an Iraq situation where it's like, "maybe they're making chemical weapons? I mean, I'm pretty sure they are." We know they are. At levels of enriching uranium beyond what would be needed for practical applications and it would just take "a little push" to get them that extra 10% for a nuke. Which I do believe they'd deploy. I'm not saying at us, but maybe they'd give some nukes to one of their proxies or a series of dirty bombs. And absolutely Israel would be toast. And reading the room it seems like a lot of you would be good with that so idk.

* Israel is being a little sketch in a few different ways, I'll grant you that, but let's say you're completely surrounded by terrorist groups all funded by Iran and getting bombed every other day... what do you expect? After the worst massacre since the Holocaust against your race just happened? (and I know, the conspiracy theories about "The Jews knew about the attack and wanted it!" but that's utter BS) And I understand the Tucker Carlson perspective but, the Holocaust really did happen so why should they been super keen on letting another one happen? Would you, if you were them? Wouldn't you take every damn step you could imagine in the world to avoid that? Wouldn't you want the best, most intelligent and offensively capable intelligence force you can muster together? Of course you would. I have no horse in this race but I can understand it.

* I don't know that the US should have directly facilitated those bombings in Iran. I'm not upset about them and maybe they needed to happen... but I'm not sure we needed to be so directly involved in that.

* I don't really consider Iran itself a threat in a conventional sense, but rather I'm concerned about maybe how deep its alliances with say, China go. Or with how embedded Iranian sleeper cells in the US may or may not be... and what they might be capable of (with say, China's help). And overall what today's strike might provoke, because it was so direct.

* I think if Iran's answer to our strikes is basically nothing, then wow. Everyone on social media on the left posting angrily about, "MAGA people, ENLIST NOW! THIS is what you've done, WW3! It's your fault!" better shut the f*** up. Because if the answer really is nothing then the US is in a super better place to negotiate with, say, Russia about Ukraine. Because we clearly aren't the previous regime, now. That surrendered to the Taliban in Afghanistan and paid our literal enemies billions of dollars that they used to, also literally, just attacking our allies.

* Simultaneously, I know that Iran knows that if Iran's answer to our strikes is nothing, they will have outed themselves as... nothing. The ruling government, I mean, and not the people of course. So... obviously this can't stand. So yikes! I know everybody is hoping for the people of Iran to stand up and revolt and seize the moment but... if that doesn't happen? What then? It's quite a bit different, than say, the Palestinians in Gaza, who overwhelmingly support Hamas. The people of Iran overwhelmingly HATE the Iranian regime. So there is a smidge of hope. But idk.

[ToTheNines]

* Israel is being a little sketch in a few different ways, I'll grant you that, but let's say you're completely surrounded by terrorist groups all funded by Iran and getting bombed every other day... what do you expect? After the worst massacre since the Holocaust against your race just happened?

It makes zero sense that “Israel” was founded where it currently is. If it was ever about the safety of the Jewish people, why was it not put it somewhere in America after WWII? Why not (former) British Uganda? Madagascar? Somewhere in Australia?

Literally anywhere that didn’t require the violent displacement of the locals would have been a better outcome than what’s going on today.


(and I know, the conspiracy theories about "The Jews knew about the attack and wanted it!" but that's utter BS)


Read em and weep:

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-06-18/ty-article/report-new-evidence-reveals-idf-had-detailed-prior-knowledge-of-hamas-plan-to-raid-israel/00000190-2afb-d2de-af9e-6ffbdf700000

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67082047

Also, “Israel” does not equal “the Jews”.

Many, many American Jews and even Israeli citizens (especially the Orthodox community) do not condone their recent actions. Just because they call themselves “Israel” doesn’t automatically makes them representative of Jews the world over. It’s just another crooked, violent governmental organization like any other. Except they’re smart enough to hide behind a historically persecuted religion so they can get away with whatever they want and scream “ANTI-SEMETISM!” when they’re openly killing babies, r*ping hostages and sending AIPAC to lean on our congressmen.


And I understand the Tucker Carlson perspective but, the Holocaust really did happen so why should they been super keen on letting another one happen? Would you, if you were them? Wouldn't you take every damn step you could imagine in the world to avoid that? Wouldn't you want the best, most intelligent and offensively capable intelligence force you can muster together? Of course you would.

So you understand how advanced and well-funded their intelligence apparatus and military forces are and you think ****in Hamas got the drop on them like that? Come on.

I have no horse in this race but I can understand it..

This bears emphasis. It’s crazy to me that there are American and non-Jewish Zionists. I know you’re coming at from the angle of “Israel is our friend and radial Islamic terrosism is bad”, but most of that **** is propaganda. The US funds a ton of rebel groups in the Middle East: https://geopoliticaleconomy.com/2024/12/06/al-qaeda-rebels-syria-israel-usa/

[Mayhem]

Yeah, hadn’t gotten onto the fact yet that the US is still doing in the Middle East what it did with the Taliban in Afghanistan against Russia. And look how that turned out in the end…

Yeah well you know, I find your perspective to be untrue and your perception of the situation to be questionable. And that's really what I push back on - I'm happy to respect all opinions, but when the opinions are fueled by pure theme-creation and bias - "Trump wants to be a dictator" - a bias that I'm quoting that you've expressed in writing, is then pure evidence of thought processes. Evidence.
I believe there to be more than enough evidence from what Trump has said and attempted to do so far this term to ride roughshod over the Constitution and ignore court rulings to suggest he wants to rule on high (hence all the #NoKings protests, which seemingly notes I’m not the only one with this opinion), but if you’re fine with unidentified brown shirts kidnapping people and removing legal citizenship from citizens because of their parents, fair enough.

[Andrew NDB]

(hence all the #NoKings protests, which seemingly notes I’m not the only one with this opinion)

Probably the most ridiculous "protest" I've seen in my life (maybe next to the Women's March, which couldn't even tell you what they were fighting against), based on a pure and obvious lie. Never have I seen people out themselves as such complete and total idiots so gleefully.

The word is that the "#NoKings" stuff represents the last of the "petty cash" in the democrat coffers for such things, so they wanted to go out with a blast before all of that money is gone.

[ToTheNines]

Probably the most ridiculous "protest" I've seen in my life (maybe next to the Women's March, which couldn't even tell you what they were fighting against), based on a pure and obvious lie. Never have I seen people out themselves as such complete and total idiots so gleefully.

The word is that the "#NoKings" stuff represents the last of the "petty cash" in the democrat coffers for such things, so they wanted to go out with a blast before all of that money is gone.

Would have been better spent sending it Kamala’s way. Her campaign ended up about $20 million in debt lmao

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Trump is nervous, look at his latest posts:

EVERYONE, KEEP OIL PRICES DOWN. I’M WATCHING! YOU’RE PLAYING RIGHT INTO THE HANDS OF THE ENEMY. DON’T DO IT!

To The Department of Energy: DRILL, BABY, DRILL!!! And I mean NOW!!!

[IMJ]

And so, a proximate and relevant opportunity to walk people through the operating model.

The New York Times admits (https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/25/us/politics/democratic-party-voters.html) that the Democratic loss was a "cultural rejection". Even CNN - the brainwashing headquarters for Democrats - discusses (https://www.cnn.com/2025/06/21/politics/dnc-financial-troubles-fec-filings) the complete sinkhole that has opened up in Democrat-funding. "Donors are exhausted, we gave 2 billion last cycle and didn't win". So basically in the absence of success, what the wider left has remaining is their hyperbole. Hyperbole rooted in "I hate Trump and I can always come back to that through any means of verbal-judo I can use".

That is evidence of "personality". And so, personality-evaluations become cogent and viable routes in this conversation because in the absence of anything tangible these people rely on personality-failings to carry their arguments.

For example, dealing with people - often the left - whose operating model is routinely to invent situational-context as a manipulation (i.e. using wordplay to a create a false narrative, such as people "being arrested illegibly by a Dictator"), or rely on gaslighting strategies to coerce (i.e., the left who has called people "racists" for years where that term doesn't remotely apply). Which means then you never actually had a political discussion to begin with. e.g., pointing out those tactics as personality-flaws is the way to meet behavioral-manipulation head-on.

Trump is nervous, look at his latest posts:

EVERYONE, KEEP OIL PRICES DOWN. I’M WATCHING! YOU’RE PLAYING RIGHT INTO THE HANDS OF THE ENEMY. DON’T DO IT!

To The Department of Energy: DRILL, BABY, DRILL!!! And I mean NOW!!!

Yeah probably. Rightfully and appropriately so. When you lockdown a cellhouse of guys that was getting out of control on a given day, you nervously plan for the chow line the next day as well. It's appropriate mitigation - not "punishment on you" for locking down the cell house the day before.

On that note, my post content above where I quoted you wasn't an indictment on you, FredWolfleonardo - at all.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Trump on Truth Social today, thoughts?

CONGRATULATIONS TO EVERYONE! It has been fully agreed by and between Israel and Iran that there will be a Complete and Total CEASEFIRE (in approximately 6 hours from now, when Israel and Iran have wound down and completed their in progress, final missions!), for 12 hours, at which point the War will be considered, ENDED! Officially, Iran will start the CEASEFIRE and, upon the 12th Hour, Israel will start the CEASEFIRE and, upon the 24th Hour, an Official END to THE 12 DAY WAR will be saluted by the World. During each CEASEFIRE, the other side will remain PEACEFUL and RESPECTFUL. On the assumption that everything works as it should, which it will, I would like to congratulate both Countries, Israel and Iran, on having the Stamina, Courage, and Intelligence to end, what should be called, “THE 12 DAY WAR.” This is a War that could have gone on for years, and destroyed the entire Middle East, but it didn’t, and never will! God bless Israel, God bless Iran, God bless the Middle East, God bless the United States of America, and GOD BLESS THE WORLD!

DONALD J. TRUMP,
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

[ToTheNines]

Trump might be a weird dude and highly unconventional. But whatever results in peace is good with me.

[Mayhem]

Except Iran has sent missiles into Qatar, presumably towards the US military bases present. Ceasefire? I’m not counting on it…

[Andrew NDB]

It's pretty hilarious how many leftists are legitimately upset there's not going to be a WWIII. They are that deranged about Trump. Like, that's really about as far as you can go into crazy town. What could possibly be any further into it than that?

[Coola Yagami]

It's pretty hilarious how many leftists are legitimately upset there's not going to be a WWIII. They are that deranged about Trump. Like, that's really about as far as you can go into crazy town. What could possibly be any further into it than that?

Imma need some screenshots of those rantings. I've seen some crazy leftist **** but to actually be disappointed that Trump isn't causing WWIII?

[ToTheNines]

Except Iran has sent missiles into Qatar, presumably towards the US military bases present. Ceasefire? I’m not counting on it…

That was many hours ago by now, you’re a little behind.

It's pretty hilarious how many leftists are legitimately upset there's not going to be a WWIII. They are that deranged about Trump. Like, that's really about as far as you can go into crazy town. What could possibly be any further into it than that?

I think you mean libtard/neolib rather than leftist. There’s a difference.

But yes, they’re pathetic. Completely blinded by hatred of a guy that doesn’t even know they exist lol. Like how they were in a tizzy when he was rubbing elbows with Kim Jong Un. Why not be diplomatic and ease the tensions?

[ToTheNines]

https://s.faketrumptweet.com/mc9tf7mn_12dc4ka_k5cio9.png

[Mayhem]

Yes I know the missile strikes were before Trump announced there’d be a ceasefire, but like so many announcements before (hey Israel, just keep bombing Gaza, and the less said about Trump saying India and Pakistan stopped because of him and then started firing again within 24 hours the better), I’m not actually confident it will stick.

EDIT: Oops, hadn't seen the news this morning about attempted missile strikes on Israel literally half an hour after the "ceasefire", that Iran denies performing.

EDIT2: Trump blows his top on live TV... think of the children! :lol:

https://bsky.app/profile/newseye.bsky.social/post/3lsdxotktis2h

[super curry max]

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/trump-iran-attack-no-intel-nuclear-1235369641/

[Andrew NDB]

The left since 2016, basically: "Don't believe your lyin' eyes!"

[ToTheNines]

https://s.faketrumptweet.com/mcasbd2o_1g5cda7_k5cio9.png

[FredWolfLeonardo]

https://www.nbcnews.com/world/middle-east/live-blog/live-updates-iran-israel-trump-ceasefire-rcna214671

Trump angry at both Israel and Iran for violating ceasefire, and now opposes regime change despite supporting it a few days ago.

I keep wanting to lay out my thoughts but things are changing so fast that I don't know whats going on anymore.

ISRAEL is not going to attack Iran. All planes will turn around and head home, while doing a friendly “Plane Wave” to Iran. Nobody will be hurt, the Ceasefire is in effect! Thank you for your attention to this matter! DONALD J. TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATE

ISRAEL. DO NOT DROP THOSE BOMBS. IF YOU DO IT IS A MAJOR VIOLATION. BRING YOUR PILOTS HOME, NOW! DONALD J. TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES

[IndigoErth]

He called for a ceasefire, and they brushed it off. Who would have ever guessed that would happen?

[FredWolfLeonardo]

He called for a ceasefire, and they brushed it off. Who would have ever guessed that would happen?

Trump is not in control of the situation at all. I love the Ceasefire and want it to last, but it was a joke.

[Andrew NDB]

To my understanding all parties agreed to a ceasefire... as soon as their already-planned sorties are completed. In the IDF's case, it was the last of Iran's ballistic missile launchers. Then that's that.

[sdp]

I mean, it's obvious he's just trying to wash his hands "hey, I did my part to end the war but it was THEM who wanted to continue, it's not me". Trump is very good at marketing, it's his thing and what he's best at.
Look at how he gets Andrew to do mental gymnastics to make it make sense.

[Andrew NDB]

Look at how he gets Andrew to do mental gymnastics to make it make sense.

Where is the gymnastics? It's what was literally announced. It's not gymnastics to point out something you didn't bother to acknowledge.

[ToTheNines]

To my understanding all parties agreed to a ceasefire... as soon as their already-planned sorties are completed. In the IDF's case, it was the last of Iran's ballistic missile launchers. Then that's that.

I see what you’re saying, but I just saw and extended version of Trump’s F-bomb video and he specifically says he’s not happy with Iran or Israel.

[Andrew NDB]

I see what you’re saying, but I just saw and extended version of Trump’s F-bomb video and he specifically says he’s not happy with Iran or Israel.

Yeah, I don't think he was expecting them to go as hard as they were going at the 11th hour.

And here goes those people from before, getting excited again about the prospect of WW3, because it will finally mean that Trump will be out of office (maybe!). 2 impeachments and dozens of Trumped up indictments and charges didn't do it, but WW3 finally will!

On my feed right now I count about 5-6 white ladies that I would classify as "very old," a middle-aged white guy from the UK who is living with a fiance visa in the midwest, a guy living in Germany, and a somewhat younger lady that I think we could safely call "a bluehair" -- all excited about WW3, right now. And then each of these posts are being Liked by 10-15 people each.

[IndigoErth]

Some people just want to see the world burn, I guess.

In the same vein, I remember there for quite a while many far right nuts online were salivating over the idea of new U.S. civil war in Trump's first term. Many of them no doubt keyboard warriors who think a war would somehow give them purpose and make them the tough guy they're certain they must be on the inside.

But they and anyone eager for a WW III now would prob be the first ones trying to hide from it and crying for mommy.

[Mayhem]

In the same vein, I remember there for quite a while many far right nuts online were salivating over the idea of new U.S. civil war in Trump's first term. Many of them no doubt keyboard warriors who think a war would somehow give them purpose and make them the tough guy they're certain they must be on the inside.
They’re the ones been recruited as masked up ICE agents right now…

[ToTheNines]

white lady that I would classify as "very old," a middle-aged white guy from the UK who is living with a fiance visa in the midwest, a guy living in Germany.

Plastroncafe, Mayhem and Barkworm lol

[IMJ]

:lol::lol::lol:

OMG
SMH

[Mayhem]

I’d gladly be classified as middle aged :P

How the bombings happened, well it’s as plausible as any other :lol:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DLOrzj4MA24/?igsh=MWVmemt6cnN4ajk3dQ==

[ranger_scout]

Zohran Mamdani winning the Democratic nomination for New York City mayor is bad for businesses, according to this article.

https://nypost.com/2025/06/23/us-news/nyc-biz-leaders-left-shaking-over-prospect-of-zohran-mamdani-mayoral-win-it-would-be-disastrous/

Republicans are likely to paint Democrats as extremists during the midterm elections following Mamdani's win.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/republicans-use-mamdani-bombshell-victory-over-cuomo-ammunition-blast-democrats

[Andrew NDB]

Zohran Mamdani winning the Democratic nomination for New York City mayor is bad for businesses, according to this article.

No sh**! He's a straight up loudly vocal communist.

[ranger_scout]

No sh**! He's a straight up loudly vocal communist.

Even Democrat Laura Gillen said he is too extreme to run New York City.

https://x.com/LauraAGillen/status/1937900429263982742

[ToTheNines]

Even Democrat Laura Gillen said he is too extreme to run New York City.

https://x.com/LauraAGillen/status/1937900429263982742

“Even the Zionist pig doesn’t like this Muslim guy!”

[Mayhem]

Well, he still has to win the election… everyone is talking like he’s a shoe in

[Andrew NDB]

He makes Bernie Sanders look like a conservative.

[ranger_scout]

Here's what New York City's future will be if Mamdani is elected mayor.

Fz6VJK3mS08

If you have kids, I encourage you all to read this book.

https://bravebooks.us/cdn/shop/files/S1B2-Cover_92a5723d-e7d3-48fc-9693-e229fa76dbc1.webp?v=1712951111&width=416

[IMJ]

No sh**! He's a straight up loudly vocal communist.

I think that's the guy who is proposing a government run grocery store. :lol: And honestly, the fact that ideas like that even gain traction here show how disparate things have become in the U.S. between the self-sustaining educated and the needy uneducated to whom ideas like that sound appealing.

We are literally in a country where a HUGE part of the population of the country doesn't embrace how the country works because they don't get it at it's core and instead fall back on "welfare systems thinking".

[Barkworm]

Oh no, you guys are talking about "communism" again? Terrible.

Also, I don't know what human garbage (or bot) appears on anyone's social media feed because I don't use this sh*t at all. But no progressively thinking person I know (in the real world!) wants a World War. Or any war. Most progressives are pacifists.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Oh no, you guys are talking about "communism" again? Terrible.

Also, I don't know what human garbage (or bot) appears on anyone's social media feed because I don't use this sh*t at all. But no progressively thinking person I know (in the real world!) wants a World War. Or any war. Most progressives are pacifists.

Hating Communism is for Boomers, its old, its tired, and it hasn't been cool since like the 1940s.

If anything, I have seen that Gen-Z Right wingers are more sympathetic to Communist Regimes (note that I said more sympathetic, not 100% supportive) and oppose what the U.S. did in the Cold War and its continued hostility against the likes of China and North Korea.

I actually look at leftist circles alot online despite being far-right, and none of them want ww3. The likes of Hasanpiker and Badempanada, considered by many to be far-left, oppose ww3.

[ToTheNines]

Communism isn’t real. It’s a nonsense utopian theory. Any communist is a larper and anyone who hates communism is afraid of the boogeyman.

Oh no, you guys are talking about "communism" again? Terrible.

Also, I don't know what human garbage (or bot) appears on anyone's social media feed because I don't use this sh*t at all. But no progressively thinking person I know (in the real world!) wants a World War. Or any war. Most progressives are pacifists.

Probably because they’re real progressives. The sh*tlibs here in the states have such a hard on for Trump they can’t even think straight. It’s all they can think about. Any feasible way to get him out of office (lol) or even make him look bad is good in their book.

[Andrew NDB]

And right away Mamdani wants to spend 65 million tax dollars on transgender "treatments," including for minors:

https://nypost.com/2025/06/23/us-news/zohran-mamdani-wants-to-spend-65m-on-trans-medical-treatment-including-for-minors-if-elected-nyc-mayor/

[FredWolfLeonardo]

And right away Mamdani wants to spend 65 million tax dollars on transgender "treatments," including for minors:

https://nypost.com/2025/06/23/us-news/zohran-mamdani-wants-to-spend-65m-on-trans-medical-treatment-including-for-minors-if-elected-nyc-mayor/

You would think the Muslim politician would be ever so slightly more conservative on Transgender issues. Apparently not....

[ToTheNines]

I don’t really understand why the whole world seems so invested in the mayoral race of a city they don’t live in, but whatever.

Can’t say I wasn’t satisfied to see that slimy prick Cuomo take an L.