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IndigoErth

06-27-2025, 03:03 PM

show they are over 18 by submitting digital identification, uploading government-issued identification or by using a “commercially reasonable method,” such as their banking information.

https://www.texastribune.org/2025/06/27/texas-porn-websites-age-verification-law-supreme-court/

Hey, Texas, have fun giving up your personal identifying information just because you wanted to take a glance at porn. You really trust porn sites with that info? Between details that could be sold or a site ending up hacked... Good luck with that.

“more than one-third of which is sexual material harmful to minors”

I mean, I get the wish to further keep the stuff away from kids, but drawing the line at sites that are "more than 1/3rd" is weird. Do they think "just" 1/3rd of dirty content is okay? (We got a glance at much less than that on the scrambled cable channels in our day, but it was still something we attempted to catch.)

Edit: Maybe they need to invent an internet passport instead. A one time verification of age then tagged on your PC that websites that require it can read. Rather than directly getting your info.

Yeah yeah "But little Liam might still use mommy and daddy's PC!" Yeah, well, that's mommy and daddy's responsibility then, isn't it.

Andrew NDB

06-27-2025, 03:12 PM

14-16 year old me would be very upset about the Texas porn stuff. But kids probably shouldn't be able to just open up whatever like that, willy nilly.

IMJ

06-27-2025, 03:29 PM

Contesting the availability of online-porn mostly only happens because people are used to it's availability as a "norm". But porn has been around forever and no kids have ever been allowed in the adult book store or in the strip clubs. There's no difference in regulating it by age just because it's currently widely available online as opposed to a seedy dark building somewhere. Additionally, municipal regulation of clubs also calls for some reduction of, or a fraction of nudity depending on whether or not alcohol is served at the club.

So there is legal precedence for this. As usual real knowledge challenges the "outburst opinion" - which again I say is the real root of most of what I contend against here. And so it makes sense to bring it back to "Authenticity over gaslighting", as well as the fact that not all opinions are "valid". When the foundation of the opinion is biased or when it resides in incomplete information then you can indeed have an opinion that is wrong. When these patterns become clear and constant (e.g., most of the left for ten years now), it is then fair game to address these personalities moreso than what those personalities are saying.

IndigoErth

06-27-2025, 05:28 PM

14-16 year old me would be very upset about the Texas porn stuff. But kids probably shouldn't be able to just open up whatever like that, willy nilly.

Agree, but why are sites 1/3rd of adult content still okay. So they can still get into sites with porn, just not those with more than 1/3rd of it.

Mayhem

06-27-2025, 05:41 PM

I am having.a mild chuckle about all this anti Muslim rhetoric currently because of Mamdani’s primary win. It’s like the religion version of 50s McCarthyism. Albeit more so when you realise the right are trying to ban abortion rights and birth control, impose official prayer and religious dogmas in schools, ban books considered offensive by the state, and criminalise the LGBTQ community. Just like the Taliban. Maybe MAGA should be declared a religious terrorism organisation? :lol:

Because New York doesn't elect Republicans. And that kind of narrows it down to just him now.
And you think he’s a shoe in going up against the existing mayor Adams? He is still running afaik. Also Cuomo, despite losing the primary, is still planning to run for November.

FredWolfLeonardo

06-27-2025, 05:43 PM

I am having.a mild chuckle about all this anti Muslim rhetoric currently because of Mamdani’s primary win. It’s like the religion version of 50s McCarthyism. Albeit more so when you realise the right are trying to ban abortion rights and birth control, impose official prayer and religious dogmas in schools, ban books considered offensive by the state, and criminalise the LGBTQ community. Just like the Taliban. Maybe MAGA should be declared a religious terrorism organisation? :lol

Maga WISHES it could be the Christian Taliban. But a Christian Theocracy is not in the interest of the elites, many of whom consider Jesus a False Messiah.

Andrew NDB

06-27-2025, 06:14 PM

I am having.a mild chuckle about all this anti Muslim rhetoric currently because of Mamdani’s primary win.

What anti-Muslim rhetoric?

IMJ

06-27-2025, 06:26 PM

Maga WISHES it could be the Christian Taliban. But a Christian Theocracy is not in the interest of the elites, many of whom consider Jesus a False Messiah.

See I can't help but feel that you and others view MAGA as some kind of population of "Southern Bells" who are blonde and their husbands who wear top hats and talk about church hymns, but I see it mostly populated by your generally standard blue-collar citizen. Basically the large swath of society's middle class often cited as "the diminishing middle class".

I mean don't get me wrong - clearly a large part of Trump's base is the wider "Christian" population, but that's also a bit of a cliche as well.

It’s like the religion version of 50s McCarthyism.

The finger pointing and "American sentiment virtue signaling" of 50's McCarthyism clearly and nearly undeniably has more in common with the modern "race-baited witch hunting" that we've seen in Liberalism for the last many years. Literally calling and labeling people as "istaphobes" as the social purity test. :lol: :roll:

But nice try on pencil whipping that one. :lol:

super curry max

06-27-2025, 06:38 PM

The Supreme Court handed down a major victory for freedom of religion today.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/supreme-court-decides-whether-allow-parents-shield-children-from-lgbtq-books-school

It also decided to uphold a Texas law requiring age verification on porn websites.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/supreme-court-upholds-texas-law-requiring-age-verification-porn-websites

That's not religious freedom. Its whitewashing of what can be taught in school.

IMJ

06-27-2025, 07:05 PM

That's not religious freedom. Its whitewashing of what can be taught in school.

Odd though that this was never an issue when I was younger and these topics came up briefly enough to elicit understanding. Sounds like it's pushing back on ideological indoctrination of children rather than whitewashing actual content of merit.

FACT - people exist who are homosexual and others who have development of physical characteristics that don't always match up to how they appear on the surface. This is diversity and part of the human condition and shouldn't be shunned.

INDOCTRINATION - "today we will wave and celebrate the rainbow flag in class and everyone will wear a dress in order to celebrate this".

That is the ethical drift we've been seeing, but now the drift is pushed back on under "religious freedom". And to be clear, most of the world's religions that are POC-Centers are much less tolerant of those concept than Christianity, so if you were to dig in on your argument you'll probably need to express it as "black listing the information" rather than "whitewashing" it. Not that the term changes the "Fact/Indoctrination" example at all whatsoever.

ranger_scout

06-27-2025, 07:54 PM

Communism isn’t real. It’s a nonsense utopian theory. Any communist is a larper and anyone who hates communism is afraid of the boogeyman.

It is real. Over 60 years ago, my mother, her sisters, and my late grandparents escaped the extreme communism of Fidel Castro in Cuba to live better lives. It sickens me that the state of Georgia elected a man, Raphael Warnock, who had Castro at his church and called his legacy complex as a U.S. senator.

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/warnock-called-castro-complex-compared-his-legacy-to-americas/

FredWolfLeonardo

06-27-2025, 09:22 PM

It is real. Over 60 years ago, my mother, her sisters, and my late grandparents escaped the extreme communism of Fidel Castro in Cuba to live better lives. It sickens me that the state of Georgia elected a man, Raphael Warnock, who had Castro at his church and called his legacy complex as a U.S. senator.

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/warnock-called-castro-complex-compared-his-legacy-to-americas/

What do you think of MAGA Communism?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jackson_Hinkle#MAGA_communism

Mayhem

06-28-2025, 02:28 AM

What anti-Muslim rhetoric?
Aside from the general anti Iran stuff, which fair dues in the context of matters, is more about the regime than its actual religion, the amount of posts from the usual right wing shills I’ve seen on social media scaremongering that Mamdani is going to turn NYC into a Muslim loving centre of hate against America. And that he is an anti semetic communist. So combining BOTH topics we are discussing here right now :roll: so much that there’s been a proposal to remove his US citizenship.

America is not a Christian country, sorry. The FFs never set up or intended it to be, and many of them were not Christian in the slightest. So the fact that the current government want to impose many of the aspects that another religion led institution implement is frankly a little scary. As Supercurry says, it’s not freedom, it’s forcing schools to only teach one way. My daughter goes to a church school here, but the school is perfectly free to teach what it wants, and while primarily Christianity led, she also learns about Judaism, Islam and Buddhism.

ToTheNines

06-28-2025, 06:02 AM

It is real. Over 60 years ago, my mother, her sisters, and my late grandparents escaped the extreme communism of Fidel Castro in Cuba to live better lives. It sickens me that the state of Georgia elected a man, Raphael Warnock, who had Castro at his church and called his legacy complex as a U.S. senator.

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/warnock-called-castro-complex-compared-his-legacy-to-americas/

Ok, but North Korea calls itself a democratic republic… but that’s not what it is. Communism calls for a classless, stateless society. That’s not what Cuba ever was.

IMJ

06-28-2025, 10:45 AM

Communism calls for a classless, stateless society. That’s not what Cuba ever was.

Well... but that's the lie of Communism. It calls for exactly what you've described but it doesn't actually produce that.

The only thing that Communism tends to do is build public buildings and maybe along the way raise the education level of the lowest tier of society to something more akin to an early grade of public education.

After that the economic aspects almost always crumble and aren't self-sustaining. That's followed by the common-fix of limiting personal freedoms under the guise of "spreading things out for all".

Communism is a clown show, but it is something that exists.

FredWolfLeonardo

06-28-2025, 02:17 PM

Well... but that's the lie of Communism. It calls for exactly what you've described but it doesn't actually produce that.

The only thing that Communism tends to do is build public buildings and maybe along the way raise the education level of the lowest tier of society to something more akin to an early grade of public education.

After that the economic aspects almost always crumble and aren't self-sustaining. That's followed by the common-fix of limiting personal freedoms under the guise of "spreading things out for all".

Communism is a clown show, but it is something that exists.

What about China being as powerful as it is. Does Communism (even in name only) get any credit there?

IMJ

06-28-2025, 02:26 PM

What about China being as powerful as it is. Does Communism (even in name only) get any credit there?

That's a multi-faceted evaluation that really boils down to attribution and belief.

For example, the attribution that China's "power" stems from Communism rather than from being enabled through years of relevant economic conditions as supported by the rest of the world.

And then the "belief" that China is as powerful as they signal which instead commonly seems to be a part of the propaganda campaign. And of course that component then trails into "is China really as "powerful" as they signal to the average-thinker who are the targets for propaganda.

My extremely short-form conclusion? China is a large country with some very relevant technology and is a global player. But their global "power" is significantly overrated and instead relies mostly on the facade of power, which fits their operating model even within their own controls of their people. I would also conclude that much of China's "power" stems from their positioning as a global "manufacturer" rather than any true development on their part. And so, if their center as a "global manufacturer" was compromised, then the state of China would be reduced by literal magnitudes from what it is currently. And this is widely the fault of the Chinese governing system rather than the day-to-day of the it's people.

And so, this isn't to say that China doesn't have "power" but rather that it's power is more akin to a coconut - a very hard shell on the outside, but once you crack it, there isn't much density there that resembles that shell.

Barkworm

06-28-2025, 10:38 PM

What about China being as powerful as it is. Does Communism (even in name only) get any credit there?

China is a despicable dictatorship, their "communism" is at least as much of a joke as it was in the Soviet Union.

FredWolfLeonardo

06-28-2025, 10:55 PM

China is a despicable dictatorship, their "communism" is at least as much of a joke as it was in the Soviet Union.

No argument from me as far as China being "Communist in name only". We both agree there.

At the very least, I think the whole idea of Socialism with Chinese Characteristics has been extremely effective at mobilizing the population in a way that has propelled the country to great power, no matter how different their system is from actual communism

Funnily enough, when Americans think of "Communism", for many, things like LGBT, secularism and feminism come to mind, even if there's no direct relation. But places like China and North Korea are very, very socially conservative and reject those things.

Mayhem

06-29-2025, 02:35 AM

They might have made up, but Elon is still poking the bear on X, now noting the BBB is junk that will massively increase the deficit.

ToTheNines

06-30-2025, 02:59 PM

Funnily enough, when Americans think of "Communism", for many, things like LGBT, secularism and feminism come to mind, even if there's no direct relation. But places like China and North Korea are very, very socially conservative and reject those things.

Yeah, like... wtf does "cultural Marxism" even mean lol

Andrew NDB

06-30-2025, 03:31 PM

Yeah, like... wtf does "cultural Marxism" even mean lol

Nothing good.

FredWolfLeonardo

06-30-2025, 04:05 PM

Yeah, like... wtf does "cultural Marxism" even mean lol

It's pretty much the "Cultural Bolshevism" conspiracy theory in Nazi Germany with a new name because using the old terminology will get people in huge trouble.

IMJ

06-30-2025, 04:13 PM

Yeah, like... wtf does "cultural Marxism" even mean lol

Cultural Marxism is sabre rattling while "marxism" is a social-theory. So if you liken it to today's insanity in parallel, then you have "Communism" which the United States largely rejects as a viable form of governance and you have "Cultural Communism" which is the mouthing and rallying cry you hear from the pink hairs and the wider, uneducated left.

It's really that simple. Of course "cultural marxism" has it's own story and so on, but the parallel I'm making isn't between the two concepts themselves as much as the stratification of the concepts.

China is a despicable dictatorship, their "communism" is at least as much of a joke as it was in the Soviet Union.

True. And yet ironically that is the routine outcome of "Communism".

The other guy is trying to make the argument that somewhere "true Communisum" is effective. But if you have to do that then what you are really demonstrating is that "Communism" is a "joke" and is "ineffective". You can't parse out "joke Communism" with "actual Communism" because the "joke" status is the outcome of actual Communism.

The only thing that Communism is "good for" I suppose would be to jumpstart failing societies by creating systems that kick the population into action. But once that happens, you need a change of governmental form because it all comes crumbling down very quickly.

FredWolfLeonardo

06-30-2025, 04:22 PM

The other guy is trying to make the argument that somewhere "true Communisum" is effective. But if you have to do that then what you are really demonstrating is that "Communism" is a "joke" and is "ineffective".

Referring to me? That's not my argument, I'm not even pro-Communist, why would a Far-Right person ever be such?

It's probably better that China is Communist in name only. But if they have to use communist imagery and symbolism to motivate their populace, then so be it.

IMJ

06-30-2025, 04:33 PM

Referring to me? That's not my argument, I'm not even pro-Communist, why would a Far-Right person ever be such?

It's probably better that China is Communist in name only. But if they have to use communist imagery and symbolism to motivate their populace, then so be it.

I was referring to you, only because you seemed to be asserting that all of these Communist situations aren't the real deal, e.g. "somewhere out there it works". But if that isn't your point, then great, but I guess whatever point you were making has been lost on me.

Funnily enough, when Americans think of "Communism", for many, things like LGBT, secularism and feminism come to mind, even if there's no direct relation. But places like China and North Korea are very, very socially conservative and reject those things.

I'm really not at odds with much of what you say, but again I sense a lost point here.

So basically you are saying "when Americans think of Communism" we tie it inextricably to those movements. But I think "directionality" is important.

We don't tie global LGBTQ, Feminisim, etc to "communism" as a blanket statement. Instead, the directionality is that we tie "communism" to the American left, represented often by LGBTQ, Feminism, etc, because those are the systems they are routinely out saber-rattling for.

Basically, Communism is not a haven for those concepts (ironically Democracy is). Instead, in their ongoing and somewhat misguided messaging, the people of those concepts have begun calling for "Communism" and therefore we now have that "connection" in the modern discourse.

FredWolfLeonardo

06-30-2025, 05:06 PM

I'm really not at odds with much of what you say, but again I sense a lost point here.

So basically you are saying "when Americans think of Communism" we tie it inextricably to those movements. But I think "directionality" is important.

We don't tie global LGBTQ, Feminisim, etc to "communism" as a blanket statement. Instead, the directionality is that we tie "communism" to the American left, represented often by LGBTQ, Feminism, etc, because those are the systems they are routinely out saber-rattling for.

Basically, Communism is not a haven for those concepts (ironically Democracy is). Instead, in their ongoing and somewhat misguided messaging, the people of those concepts have begun calling for "Communism" and therefore we now have that "connection" in the modern discourse.

We're in full agreement here. I'd go as far as to argue that as far as they have been used by progressive movements to advance their social agenda, communism and capitalism are basically two sides of the same coin.

IMJ

06-30-2025, 05:31 PM

We're in full agreement here. I'd go as far as to argue that as far as they have been used by progressive movements to advance their social agenda, communism and capitalism are basically two sides of the same coin.

They might be, but only in that they are both governmental forms (the coin).

On one side you have a guidance system whereby the people command their own economic and life outcomes through freedoms, ingenuity and free markets for doing "good things for selfish reasons" (Democracy, Capitalism).

On the opposite side of the coin you have a control system whereby the people rely on commands for their economic and life outcomes through control and use-of-programs for "sameness for all" (Communism, Government Guidance).

That's the real comparison, because let's face it - we've learned that the only talent of the left is masterful gaslighting and narrative-manipulation. They'd use anything to advance their social agenda.

ToTheNines

07-01-2025, 01:40 PM

Back to the topic of NYC mayor, I forgot to mention how much I love Eric Adams. He rules lol

https://i.imgur.com/Q10Htc6.jpeg

Andrew NDB

07-02-2025, 12:58 AM

Stu_Padasso

07-02-2025, 01:35 AM

Shesus. Last week it was, "OMG! We're going to WWIII! We're all going to die!" and now this week it is, "OMG! They're passing the Big Beautiful Bill! Everyone is losing their medicare and is gonna DIEEE!!!" And next week it will undoubtedly be something else.

What is it with these people staying in lockstep with the weekly doomsaying? It's super annoying. Is it just a general weakness of character thing? Something else? It's like a sickness.

It’s a racket. Both sides of the political aisle are guilty of it in both drive by media outlets like CNN or ragebait YouTube or TickTock videos to get clicks or pushing an agenda. It’s enabled by the fact that most people aren’t interested in doing real research or nuance anymore. They believe that they are educated when they probably aren’t and do and say what other people tell them.

In my own experience, I’ve found that the more I learn, the less there is I really know.

I might be an idiot, but at least I’ll admit that I might be an idiot.

ToTheNines

07-02-2025, 06:27 AM

Shesus. Last week it was, "OMG! We're going to WWIII! We're all going to die!" and now this week it is, "OMG! They're passing the Big Beautiful Bill! Everyone is losing their medicare and is gonna DIEEE!!!" And next week it will undoubtedly be something else.

What is it with these people staying in lockstep with the weekly doomsaying? It's super annoying. Is it just a general weakness of character thing? Something else? It's like a sickness.

They just can’t get past their hatred of Trump. They can’t wrap their head around him at all. Part of it is the way he’s portrayed in Lib media vs. right wing media. Same way Biden was never shown to be a befuddled old man on CNN or MSNBC (save for when they inexplicably threw him under the bus in lockstep after ONE bad debate).

My in laws are Turbolibs and spend probably 4 hours a day scrolling and learning new and exciting ways that Trump is bad lol. A decade after he announced his candidacy and they still think “he’s orange!” jokes are funny.

And they both are educated and highly successful in their careers, which are real jobs that actually contribute to society.

But then you have my MAGA family where my dad was CONVINCED that the Biden administration was going to lock him up for his mainstream conservative opinions he shared on Facebook lol.

ranger_scout

07-02-2025, 09:48 AM

IMJ

07-02-2025, 10:50 AM

Trump has settled a lawsuit with '60 Minutes' over its edited interview with Kamala Harris. He is to receive at least $16 million. The program will also release full transcripts of interviews with future presidential candidates.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/paramount-global-settles-trumps-lawsuit-against-cbs-news-over-60-minutes-interview

The ongoing exchange of lawsuits is hysterical.

I wonder if he can take the money and to pay the fine from the lawsuit in Chicago where the Trump Tower cooling systems used water from the river but killed fish. :lol:

F'n hysterical

super curry max

07-02-2025, 11:22 AM

Andrew NDB

07-02-2025, 12:03 PM

Except one of those things wasn't said(the former)

Bullsh**. It was all I could see, everywhere on social media.

Also

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2025/07/01/politics/congress-senate-bill-tax-spending-trump-gop-explainer

Oh no! Able-bodied people will have to work 80 whole hours over the course of an entire month! The horror! And people who get food stamps might have to start working, too?! Say it ain't so!

IndigoErth

07-02-2025, 04:11 PM

Trump has settled a lawsuit with '60 Minutes' over its edited interview with Kamala Harris. He is to receive at least $16 million. The program will also release full transcripts of interviews with future presidential candidates.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/paramount-global-settles-trumps-lawsuit-against-cbs-news-over-60-minutes-interview

Let's just hope that whatever Paramount pulls funding from to make up for it, it isn't future (non-MM) TMNT stuff.

Andrew NDB

07-02-2025, 04:16 PM

Let's just hope that whatever Paramount pulls funding from to make up for it, it isn't future (non-MM) TMNT stuff.

If it's anything like their last TMNT offerings, how would that possibly be a bad thing?

All they need to do is just CUT, and CUT HARD at everybody and everything with Star Trek right now. Fire the whole lot of them, march them off the Paramount lot.

ToTheNines

07-02-2025, 04:37 PM

Except one of those things wasn't said(the former) and the other thing is absolutely true(the latter)

Hth

Bullsh**. It was all I could see, everywhere on social media.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSlXzS2gaVso7x7p4FtB2d14P9aOmPTs 5KP0w&s

IndigoErth

07-02-2025, 05:01 PM

If it's anything like their last TMNT offerings, how would that possibly be a bad thing?
Why I said "non-MM," for those that might not mind seeing that one wrap up, but maybe we don't want it impacting other potential projects many of our age group might like more. (Which we could cynically say are just a pipe dream, but hey let's not make the odds unnecessarily worse.)

super curry max

07-02-2025, 06:08 PM

Bullsh**. It was all I could see, everywhere on social media.

Oh no! Able-bodied people will have to work 80 whole hours over the course of an entire month! The horror! And people who get food stamps might have to start working, too?! Say it ain't so!

They already do you.

What is "able bodied" if they could work they would be.

This idea there is rampant fraud and people just getting free money for nothing is laughably stupid.

super curry max

07-02-2025, 06:10 PM

Bullsh**. It was all I could see, everywhere on social media.

Oh no! Able-bodied people will have to work 80 whole hours over the course of an entire month! The horror! And people who get food stamps might have to start working, too?! Say it ain't so!

Yeah you saw a bunch of right wing idiots saying omg they think trump started ww3. When you know no one was actually saying as such.

Andrew NDB

07-02-2025, 06:13 PM

That is "able bodied" if they could work they would be.

This idea there is rampant fraud and people just getting free money for nothing is laughably stupid.

I know WAY, WAY more people who absolutely could be working who do sit around soaking up benefits and food stamps (and then selling them for actual $) than I do people who legitimately use it. The idea that this is some kind of right wing delusion is the real delusion.

CyberCubed

07-02-2025, 09:52 PM

Tbh I absolutely would apply for food stamps if I could. The concept of getting food for "free" is just too tempting to pass up. Also from what I understand only certain supermarkets or drug stores take food stamps anyway, you can't use them in fast food places like pizza, chinese food, Mcdonalds, actual restaurants, etc. So either way most people are limited to groceries.

Mayhem

07-03-2025, 04:59 AM

Yeah, I was going to say, the actual use of food stamps is fairly limited shopping wise, and no fast food.

ToTheNines

07-03-2025, 05:26 AM

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Tbh I absolutely would apply for food stamps if I could. The concept of getting food for "free" is just too tempting to pass up. Also from what I understand only certain supermarkets or drug stores take food stamps anyway, you can't use them in fast food places like pizza, chinese food, Mcdonalds, actual restaurants, etc. So either way most people are limited to groceries.

I’m not gonna say it.

IMJ

07-03-2025, 11:28 AM

They already do you.

What is "able bodied" if they could work they would be.

This idea there is rampant fraud and people just getting free money for nothing is laughably stupid.

I can tell you from direct experience as someone who literally caseworked state benefits in Illinois, that you are categorically incorrect. :lol:

I've explained this before. Only on the rarest of occasions would someone came along and from the circumstances you could tell that they were legitimately using the system to fill in gaps until they got on their feet. Because that was frequently and often not the case.

Routinely, ROUTINELY giving food stamps to entitled "baby-mama" and so many other situations that maintained a cycle-of-life for foodstamps that it was nuts. And over the years as Illinois liberal policy couldn't justify it anymore, they shifted the policy to something more akin to "don't ask don't tell just give the food stamps", because if probably 70% of the recipients were investigated they'd be found to be in some kind of fraudulence in the claims. And this even holds true for people with money - I found one guy in the system who I knew personally and previously worked with at a college - Albanian guy - on Foodstamps, but I know firsthand that he worked at a Liberal college in team management and had, no joke - a 650k house in Downers Grove. Situations like that were all over the place and functioning on "don't look dont tell mechanics". Even the "verification processes" are a joke - don't even get me started on that or how those are routinely defeated.

Believe what you want - modern-libs always do, but I just put down the first hand experience. So yes, there is indeed rampant fraud and people "just getting free money for nothing". You literally, categorically and experientially have no idea what you are talking about.

Andrew NDB

07-03-2025, 11:39 AM

I've explained this before. Only on the rarest of occasions would someone came along and from the circumstances you could tell that they were legitimately using the system to fill in gaps until they got on their feet. Because that was frequently and often not the case.

And honestly, all of the people I know who might actually NEED such things tend to be too proud to take it, or even apply for it.

ranger_scout

07-03-2025, 01:53 PM

The spending bill has passed.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-administration/live-blog/trump-big-beautiful-bill-house-taxes-immigration-live-updates-rcna215842

ToTheNines

07-04-2025, 05:43 AM

If it's anything like their last TMNT offerings, how would that possibly be a bad thing?

All they need to do is just CUT, and CUT HARD at everybody and everything with Star Trek right now. Fire the whole lot of them, march them off the Paramount lot.

https://s.faketrumptweet.com/mcooou7v_1v049kw_k5dfdp.png

IndigoErth

07-04-2025, 03:01 PM

lol Is the reparations to pay back ticket cost to anyone who went and damages to the Turtle's actors for supposedly being treated quite poorly?

Andrew NDB

07-04-2025, 03:21 PM

lol Is the reparations to pay back ticket cost to anyone who went and damages to the Turtle's actors for supposedly being treated quite poorly?

Boo hoo for them. Though I do hope they were paid adequately for basically shooting the 2014 movie twice.

ToTheNines

07-07-2025, 09:25 AM

Epstein killed himself!

Coola Yagami

07-07-2025, 12:29 PM

Reparations to Judith Hoag for not even being called in to the sequels.

Andrew NDB

07-07-2025, 12:45 PM

Reparations to Judith Hoag for not even being called in to the sequels.

Are we sure that's the case? It's been ages but I remember things being said about her not wanting to get stuck doing TMNT sequels when she was trying to get her career going?

Mayhem

07-07-2025, 01:03 PM

Are we sure that's the case? It's been ages but I remember things being said about her not wanting to get stuck doing TMNT sequels when she was trying to get her career going?
According to the director he was unhappy about her comments re how the stunt staff were treated on set.

Andrew NDB

07-07-2025, 01:51 PM

According to the director he was unhappy about her comments re how the stunt staff were treated on set.

*shrug* But the director had nothing to do with the 2nd movie. Just general word of mouth that she was "hard to work with," maybe?

Mayhem

07-08-2025, 03:30 AM

Could well be, only going by what I read.

IMJ

07-08-2025, 12:28 PM

Reminds me of Kess from Voyager or Tasha Yar from TNG. Making those "bold moves" but didn't really work out so well.

The odds are against basically everyone being a "big star", but most actors can always go to stage play and do something. Seems to me at this point if you got cast in anything that is categorized as having a "cult following", you just ride it out.

Do the cult following. Do some stage work. Do some occasional film parts where you can get them. Do conventions. Career? Check.

ToTheNines

07-09-2025, 08:10 AM

I always understood that it was mutual between her and the studio not wanting her in the sequel. She didn’t like that they shot 6 days a week and she didn’t care for the Final Cut. Maybe she shot a bunch of scenes that went unused?

I also read that they did reach out to her about coming back for III, but she turned it down.

Coola Yagami

07-09-2025, 09:19 AM

IMJ

07-09-2025, 11:30 AM

What did Tasha Yar do?

Well that's the point - she ultimately did nothing.

She left TNG to go off and "have an illustrious career" and did nothing. Basically an ego-play because she got cast in a Stephen King flick (maybe "Pet Semetary" or "Cat's Eye", I can't recall) and thought her career was going to launch and she left Trek behind.

FredWolfLeonardo

07-12-2025, 09:43 PM

In the latest Truth Social post, Trump said that the Epstein Files are fake and that nobody cares about Jeffrey Epstein.

MAGA is dead and Trump has become the very establishment he once seemingly sought to destroy.

IndigoErth

07-12-2025, 09:55 PM

Trump has become the very establishment he once seemingly sought to destroy.

https://media1.tenor.com/m/aK9Q5vEfofsAAAAC/segundo-sol-novela.gif

https://media1.tenor.com/m/LpAvPybCYsYAAAAC/elections.gif

FredWolfLeonardo

07-13-2025, 12:46 AM

There's no defending Trump on this one.

The only good thing to come out of this trainwreck of a situation is that people are more aware of how the Deep State Cabal has used various mechanisms, including Epstein Island, to maintain complete control over American politicians.

Andrew NDB

07-13-2025, 04:43 AM

FredWolfLeonardo

07-13-2025, 04:55 AM

I don't see it. Worst case... remember, the Biden administration was in full effect when Epstein went down. So if you want to throw shade at Trump's... where was this when Biden was in charge?

Conversely... why wouldn't like the entire Biden people be roasting Trump now? Like "Gah! He's lying! We've seen the files! He can release them but he isn't!"

Where is all of that fervor from the left? Seems like crickets.

So yeah, worst case. Somehow both sides have some skin in this. But we'll need to see at least one shred of evidence to humor this much more.

The Epstein files obviously have blackmail on both republicians and democrats, none of them want to implicate themselves by releasing the files to destroy the other side.

And Epstein went down when the Biden administration was in full effect? He died in 2019, during Trump's first presidency or were you referring to something else?

ToTheNines

07-13-2025, 05:11 AM

I don't see it. Worst case... remember, the Biden administration was in full effect when Epstein went down. So if you want to throw shade at Trump's... where was this when Biden was in charge?

Epstein was arrested in July 2019 and murdered in August 2019. Joe Biden was sworn in January 2021.

Epstein came into the public eye in 2017 when Trump appointed Alex Acosta as Secretary of Labor. Acosta was a Federal Attorney who granted Epstein an illegal non-prosecution agreement and ultimately full immunity from federal charges (for him and ANY co-conspirators).

Come on man.

Coola Yagami

07-13-2025, 09:37 AM

Trump is most likely on it but also several high ranking Democrats officials. They can't release it without screwing themselves over.

ToTheNines

07-13-2025, 10:01 AM

Regardless of his level of involvement (let’s be real, he loved Epstein, his ex wife loved Ghislaine, and Don Jr. was married to an Epstein girl) Trump is not dumb. If he blew the lid of the whole thing, they’d have him killed before anything ever got out.

I’m completely neutral on Trump, but it’s obvious he’s not willing to die for this cause.

Mayhem

07-13-2025, 12:08 PM

Trump is most likely on it but also several high ranking Democrats officials. They can't release it without screwing themselves over.
Which is what I’ve been saying since the start.

IndigoErth

07-13-2025, 12:25 PM

Yeah, that kind of crap first and foremost lines up with people who have money and power and the inner circles that come with it, there's no way that there aren't people from all political leanings, those with views of religious exceptionalism, and so on involved.

IMJ

07-13-2025, 05:24 PM

A more likely conclusion is that there is no telling what level of damage the fully released information would have had on global politics and status so it was the harder decision to shut it down because that would actually lead to the better global outcome.

I mean - the Epstein thing wreaks of conspiracy of course, but even that alone is very telling. :lol: I mean you guys went right for the throat on all counts as if the "deep state conspiracy" was a foregone conclusion, but even if it was (which it may be), there are several outcomes where the info would be squashed and it has nothing to do with "protecting the entitled rich who like to fu(k".

Tunnel vision, guys. Tunnel vision.

ToTheNines

07-13-2025, 06:32 PM

Still cracking up at this:

remember, the Biden administration was in full effect when Epstein went down.

https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2024-10/14/15/asset/71355ca7c8af/sub-buzz-632-1728921200-1.jpg?resize=990%3A%2A&downsize=700%3A%2A&output-quality=auto&output-format=auto

A more likely conclusion is that there is no telling what level of damage the fully released information would have had on global politics and status so it was the harder decision to shut it down because that would actually lead to the better global outcome.

I mean - the Epstein thing wreaks of conspiracy of course, but even that alone is very telling. :lol: I mean you guys went right for the throat on all counts as if the "deep state conspiracy" was a foregone conclusion, but even if it was (which it may be), there are several outcomes where the info would be squashed and it has nothing to do with "protecting the entitled rich who like to fu(k".

Tunnel vision, guys. Tunnel vision.

I think people overestimate the power of the US presidency. And not to take anything away from the girls who were r*ped and murdered in this mess, and I swear I’m not being sarcastic at all, but people need to realize the Trump is a victim here (of blackmail and potentially extortion).

Not saying it should exonerate him from any wrongdoing, but even as president… his hands are tied.

sdp

07-13-2025, 08:06 PM

Elmo (yes that Elmo) just called out the Pres over the files. He went s little overboard but his anger is justified.
https://x.com/ToonHive/status/1944560594360946772?t=p9J8og2BSq7htxD__lUfYQ&s=19

Mayhem

07-14-2025, 01:32 AM

Posting without comment… yes, genuine

https://i.imgur.com/HySkJZJ.jpeg

FredWolfLeonardo

07-14-2025, 02:53 AM

Posting without comment… yes, genuine

https://i.imgur.com/HySkJZJ.jpeg

Although that particular post is fake (or atleast I didn't find it anywhere on his Truth Social), Trump's long ass boomer rant about Epstein basically says the exact same thing and is indefensible.

With the likes of Democrats, it's kind of expected to cover up the Epstein files because they were the establishment who dominated the media and narrative.

Trump on the other hand was supposed to be an anti-establishment figure when you look at his original 2016 campaign so when he does crap like this, it's a slap in the face of the people who originally supported him for being against the system.

It's no wonder people are burning their MAGA hats, it's fully deserved and Trump doesn't deserve his supporters if he will continue to betray the America First philosophy.

Andrew NDB

07-14-2025, 03:00 AM

Epstein was arrested in July 2019 and murdered in August 2019. Joe Biden was sworn in January 2021.

Epstein came into the public eye in 2017 when Trump appointed Alex Acosta as Secretary of Labor. Acosta was a Federal Attorney who granted Epstein an illegal non-prosecution agreement and ultimately full immunity from federal charges (for him and ANY co-conspirators).

Come on man.

OK, OK. I got it wrong.

Mayhem

07-14-2025, 03:25 AM

It's no wonder people are burning their MAGA hats, it's fully deserved and Trump doesn't deserve his supporters if he will continue to betray the America First philosophy.
Yeah I'm seeing the right wing social media posts go one of two ways right now:

1) If you don't stick by Trump, you were never MAGA.
2) I don't care who's on it, release the list.

Actually a third to be fair, sack Pam Bondi for lying.

Andrew NDB

07-14-2025, 03:30 AM

Yeah I'm seeing the right wing social media posts go one of two ways right now:

1) If you don't stick by Trump, you were never MAGA.
2) I don't care who's on it, release the list.

Actually a third to be fair, sack Pam Bondi for lying.

Eh. I mean. She does need to pay a pretty good penance for what she said about that stuff. What, with the press people with the packets and all for the photo ops a couple months back. Pretty embarrassing all around, I won't disagree there one iota. Very strange. Very weird.

ToTheNines

07-14-2025, 02:06 PM

Donald Trump described Epstein as “the man who never dies”. Incredible. I love my tinfoil hat so much lol.

FredWolfLeonardo

07-14-2025, 03:31 PM

Donald Trump described Epstein as “the man who never dies”. Incredible. I love my tinfoil hat so much lol.

You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain.

Remember when Trump was shot in the ear, and then while bleeding and uncertain of his safety, raised his fist in defiance in a moment that has become forever immortalised?

Now exactly a year later, he is covering for a Pedophile Island because he is scared of the consequences. Absolutely incredible how much can change in such a short amount of time.

sdp

07-14-2025, 04:05 PM

(((They))) got to him. We all know who.

FredWolfLeonardo

07-14-2025, 04:06 PM

(((They))) got to him. We all know who.

Based.

10char.

Coola Yagami

07-14-2025, 04:26 PM

Remember when Trump was shot in the ear, and then while bleeding and uncertain of his safety, raised his fist in defiance in a moment that has become forever immortalised?

You mean the ear that looks untouched and the only blood we saw was a WWE blood packet slapped haphazardly there?

One thing I do wonder, seeing how easily triggered Trump gets (Rosie O'Donnell) why hasn't he talk nonstop **** about the dude that apparently nearly ended his life?

FredWolfLeonardo

07-14-2025, 04:28 PM

One thing I do wonder, seeing how easily triggered Trumps gets (Rosie O'Donnell) why hasn't he talk nonstop **** about the dude that apparently nearly ended his life?

Same reason he won't talk about Epstein. Fear.

ToTheNines

07-14-2025, 05:24 PM

Man, first giving props to Elmo for anti-Semitic hate speech then busting out the echoes… sdp is on a sick one.

It’s like Diary of a Mad (fat) Black Woman in here.

sdp

07-14-2025, 05:30 PM

I used to be normal but the Technodrome forums rad1calized me.

Andrew NDB

07-14-2025, 05:35 PM

https://i.ibb.co/Gv4G4tq4/516341954-813631454887338-3689820694639679811-n.jpg

Mayhem

07-15-2025, 02:12 PM

House GoP blocks Dem move to force release of Epstein files.

Needless to say aside from Laura Looney, deathly silence on social media from the rest of the right wing shills. I wonder why...

IMJ

07-15-2025, 02:34 PM

House GoP blocks Dem move to force release of Epstein files.

Needless to say aside from Laura Looney, deathly silence on social media from the rest of the right wing shills. I wonder why...

:roll:
It must be because they are all tied to it and it happens to serve your tiresome worldview. There can be no other explanation. :roll:

FredWolfLeonardo

07-15-2025, 02:46 PM

House GoP blocks Dem move to force release of Epstein files.

Needless to say aside from Laura Looney, deathly silence on social media from the rest of the right wing shills. I wonder why...

Even Laura Looney has not called out Trump, instead focusing her attention on Pam Bondi, ignoring the fact that Trump bears responsibility for hiring her.

Some Right wingers need to realise that it's okay to admit that Trump is wrong sometimes.

IndigoErth

07-15-2025, 03:41 PM

Some Right wingers need to realise that it's okay to admit that Trump is wrong sometimes.

https://media1.tenor.com/m/s14kibPtueAAAAAC/bill-hader-hisses.gif

Good luck. Such black and white brains that are, unfortunately, forming their entire identities on political loyalty now probably can't even go there.

Coola Yagami

07-15-2025, 04:22 PM

Even Laura Looney has not called out Trump, instead focusing her attention on Pam Bondi, ignoring the fact that Trump bears responsibility for hiring her.

Some Right wingers need to realise that it's okay to admit that Trump is wrong sometimes.

Release what now? I thought those didn't exist. People still talking about Epstein?

FredWolfLeonardo

07-16-2025, 12:59 PM

The Radical Left Democrats have hit pay dirt, again! Just like with the FAKE and fully discredited Steele Dossier, the lying 51 “Intelligence” Agents, the Laptop from Hell, which the Dems swore had come from Russia (No, it came from Hunter Biden’s bathroom!), and even the Russia, Russia, Russia Scam itself, a totally fake and made up story used in order to hide Crooked Hillary Clinton’s big loss in the 2016 Presidential Election, these Scams and Hoaxes are all the Democrats are good at - It’s all they have - They are no good at governing, no good at policy, and no good at picking winning candidates. Also, unlike Republicans, they stick together like glue. Their new SCAM is what we will forever call the Jeffrey Epstein Hoax, and my PAST supporters have bought into this “********,” hook, line, and sinker. They haven’t learned their lesson, and probably never will, even after being conned by the Lunatic Left for 8 long years. I have had more success in 6 months than perhaps any President in our Country’s history, and all these people want to talk about, with strong prodding by the Fake News and the success starved Dems, is the Jeffrey Epstein Hoax. Let these weaklings continue forward and do the Democrats work, don’t even think about talking of our incredible and unprecedented success, because I don’t want their support anymore! Thank you for your attention to this matter. MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!

"You're just like the rest of them." Joker 2019.

Mayhem

07-16-2025, 02:52 PM

Needless the right is in full deflect mode by saying hey hey look, the Democrats didn’t do anything about the files over 12 years, blame them!

Thing is, they never promised to release them. And Trump did. And now the bluff is being majorly called…

IndigoErth

07-16-2025, 02:58 PM

He's basically lighting himself on fire at this point.

Now it's the Epstine "hoax" all of a sudden. Does he really not realize that it looks VERY suspicious that he's suddenly back peddling and trying to distance himself from it? Gosh, could it be that something he campaigned on was made up? Or could it be there IS info that could be released, but he's in it?

Saw in a clip this morning of him once again claiming that someone on some news show said he may be considered the best president ever. He could not be more detached from reality.

FredWolfLeonardo

07-16-2025, 03:13 PM

I will still stand by saying that Trump winning in 2024 is an overall net positive in the sense that if he had not won, this deep corruption would've not been exposed. If it would've been Kamala as president, there would've been no expectation to release the Epstein files because she didn't campaign on releasing them.

That being said, some Trump supporters are willing to accept any kind of slop and its disgusting. They were literally willing to dress as garbage, and they keep defending Trump, even when he keeps letting them down again and again.

ToTheNines

07-16-2025, 03:48 PM

https://i.imgur.com/hTCcC4M.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/CfyBcMd.jpeg

Coola Yagami

07-16-2025, 10:31 PM

I mean... he did write that scene in It.....

sdp

07-17-2025, 11:19 AM

"You're just like the rest of them." Joker 2019.
"I was living a fantasy, I was wrong, I am not the Joker, I am Arthur" Joker 2024

Andrew NDB

07-17-2025, 02:41 PM

Jesus... Mamdani has been talking about abolishing private property, even?

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mamdani-sparks-firestorm-with-resurfaced-comment-on-abolishing-private-property-hes-a-communist

IndigoErth

07-17-2025, 03:04 PM

"If there was any system that could guarantee each person housing, whether you call it the abolition of private property or you call it, you know, just a statewide housing guarantee, it is preferable to what is going on right now," Mamdani said.

Why exactly does trying to guarantee shelter require getting rid of private property?

What's wrong with just making some "tiny house" communities to give people a place to exist safely and with dignity, giving them time to get a foothold so that most who are capable, fully functioning people can hopefully eventually move up (and out) to something better in life? And for those that can't hack it for one reason or other, they have a place to be.

member_removed

07-17-2025, 11:19 PM

Well, I think we can all agree that Billionaire Pedo's shouldn't be allowed to own private sex islands.

Right? Less they be put on some kind of public list.

ZariusTwo

07-18-2025, 02:45 AM

Colbert cancelled.

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ToTheNines

07-19-2025, 05:36 AM

Crying wuss. Maybe he’ll have to go back to being funny again.

FredWolfLeonardo

07-19-2025, 11:14 AM

Two important Trump Posts on Truth Social today

All three nuclear sites in Iran were completely destroyed and/or OBLITERATED. It would take years to bring them back into service and, if Iran wanted to do so, they would be much better off starting anew, in three different locations, prior to those sites being obliterated, should they decide to do so. Thank you for your attention to this matter!

I have asked the Justice Department to release all Grand Jury testimony with respect to Jeffrey Epstein, subject only to Court Approval. With that being said, and even if the Court gave its full and unwavering approval, nothing will be good enough for the troublemakers and radical left lunatics making the request. It will always be more, more, more. MAGA!

These are good developments because:

1) If Trump says Iran will take years rebuild their nuclear weapons and that everything was destroyed, then there is no excuse for America to attack Iran again during Trump's administration considering the "Iran can't have nukes rhetoric". Personally, I think that their nuclear sites being completely destroyed is a lie, but if that's what it takes for Trump to keep America out in the event of another Israeli strike, then so be it.

2) More transparency over Jeffrey Epstein is always better, it's clear that the huge backlash around the files played a role in what Trump is saying now. Of course, I wouldn't put it past Trump if he does a complete 180 from this and comes up with another *****hit excuse, just like how he could completely reverse his rhetoric about Iran having no nuclear capability for years. But if he does change his mind again, he will face even more backlash from his base who will hold him to account for making these statements.

IndigoErth

07-19-2025, 12:50 PM

... subject only to Court Approval. With that being said, and even if the Court gave its full and unwavering approval...

In other words, he's setting it up to redirect the present uproar and blame to the court, not him, if it doesn't agree or if so much ends up redacted that it's nearly worthless. If that MINIMAL effort of asking the court doesn't work out, he can handwave it off as their fault, and then, when it doesn't shut people up like he hopes, he can keep screaming about all the big bad people who want the info he promised.

It's almost comical that he's screaming about "troublemakers and radical left lunatics," not to mention turning on supporters who are demanding it (but I guess they're the "troublemakers"), and trying to throw this molten lava hot potato at ANYONE else after HE champagned on this and instigated a lot of drive to see the documents and conjured up conspiracies.

Guy basically kept telling supporters that there was a great big, beautiful pot of lib/dem-owning gold at the end of that rainbow if they waited... then he just now turned off the garden hose.

https://i.imgur.com/PNALsgs.png

Mayhem

07-20-2025, 05:39 PM

Can’t really argue with this…

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DMRPoI_RN7C/?igsh=MWJjYTBtd2wzMDk4NA==

Komet Kolar

07-22-2025, 03:28 PM

All in honesty, 2026 can’t come any sooner. Trump, his goons and minions in the Congress all needs to go.

Andrew NDB

07-22-2025, 04:12 PM

All in honesty, 2026 can’t come any sooner. Trump, his goons and minions in the Congress all needs to go.

What does that have to do with 2026? Democrats have never been deeper in the toilet in favorability polls. Something like 19% now? And continuing to drop.

Mayhem

07-22-2025, 04:18 PM

Midterms I’m presuming.

FredWolfLeonardo

07-22-2025, 04:45 PM

I hope the Democrats destroy the Republicians for the midterms. Trump had his chance, and now he deserves to fall for turning on his base.

Drain the swamp, my foot.

Mayhem

07-23-2025, 04:41 PM

Most obvious kept secret then…

https://i.imgur.com/21uQMWT.jpeg

ToTheNines

07-23-2025, 05:12 PM

MAGA is cooked

IndigoErth

07-23-2025, 05:32 PM

Drain the swamp, my foot.
Forgot about that "drain the swamp" bit.

Back then I was saying he'd only replace it with a cesspool, or something like that. Sometimes it sucks to be right. :roll:

Andrew NDB

07-23-2025, 05:42 PM

FredWolfLeonardo

07-23-2025, 05:51 PM

"The Epstein Files" is not the same thing as the vaunted Epstein <client> List™. The "files" could have anything in them, anyone he's ever crossed paths with in much of any capacity, which is pretty much all socialites who have been alive in the past few decades.

If you're attempting to defend Trump which is what I'm assuming, what's the point? Because he's not a democrat?

Atleast Democrats are open about their hostility against you which I can respect. Trump is a backstabber who will promise things like Drain the Swamp and No New Wars, only to then let his supporters down.

Mayhem

07-23-2025, 06:23 PM

"The Epstein Files" is not the same thing as the vaunted Epstein <client> List™. The "files" could have anything in them, anyone he's ever crossed paths with in much of any capacity, which is pretty much all socialites who have been alive in the past few decades.
If that was the case, which may be true, why has the House GoP twice voted down to release them after a motion put forward by Democrats? Where is the whole “if you’ve got nothing to hide” rhetoric gone that the right often parrot? Simple, there must be something to hide, and the whole Obama Russia hoax campaign going on is an attempt to distract the base again…

member_removed

07-24-2025, 12:17 AM

I hope the Democrats destroy the Republicians for the midterms. Trump had his chance, and now he deserves to fall for turning on his base.

Drain the swamp, my foot.

The thing about swamps, it's the natural habitat of Toads.

Andrew NDB

07-24-2025, 12:39 AM

If that was the case, which may be true, why has the House GoP twice voted down to release them after a motion put forward by Democrats?

Of course the democrats will do that now. Anything to try and turn the base against him now, now that they see this is a button they can push with the public. But digging into this a bit further... the basic reasoning seems to be that there will be a LOT of people in "The Files" (again, not to be confused with "The LIST," which was purported to be a list of clients which as far as I can tell has never actually been shown to exist... and why would it, really? I know we all like stories like Elliot Ness busting Capone's accountant with the ledger and all). And anyone in there -- it could be dozens, it could be hundreds -- that crossed Epstein's path no matter how innocuous or at any random social gathering, their life would be ruined without any further investigation needed in the court of public opinion. That kind of stuff is protected by the courts for that very reason.

Like if Tom Hanks was staying at the same hotel as Epstein in 2003, and Epstein invited him and Rita out for a drink and maybe Hanks reciprocated and took Epstein out on his boat a week later and this is somehow observed or noted by intelligence or Epstein himself. And why wouldn't he accept the invitation back then, or offer that? But now Hanks is in "The Epstein Files." And now there will always be a stink about "But maybe Hanks was doing stuff with Epstein's girls" echoing throughout the media and internets... this kind of thing. This is damaging and illegal.

It seems like the democrats have figured this is a win win. They know there's nothing there in the files that would incriminate Trump (because, hello, they sat on them for 4 years and didn't draw one dagger at Trump) but they also know that it can't get out legally at least in whole because because of basic civil protections. Because these are just files. They could be anything. But they know this will appear to be fueling the conspiracy theory fires so they will stoke them because they can and nothing else they've tried has worked.

Where is the whole “if you’ve got nothing to hide” rhetoric gone that the right often parrot? Simple, there must be something to hide, and the whole Obama Russia hoax campaign going on is an attempt to distract the base again…

Denied by an Obama appointed judge:

https://www.npr.org/2025/07/23/nx-s1-5477567/jeffrey-epstein-transcripts-florida

And if the basic principle is that a lack of evidence must mean that Trump is covering up a whole pedophile operation... I mean, wow. Holy moley. That's a huge accusation. And while there's still no evidence of any of that, and there's still the part where democrats could have released at ANY time during Biden's term all of this supposed damning stuff about Trump or at least secretly "leaked" stuff afterward which they always do -- which you KNOW they would have done, particularly leading up to the 2024 campaign. It just seems like a pretty wild thing. I don't doubt there is nasty stuff in those files, but it sounds like it's mostly Epstein's personal kiddy pr0n collection (that is the entirety of "the tapes"... and surely those can't be released and you're a pretty sick puppy if you'd want them to be) and maybe some random tabulations on his movements and interactions over the years. Which again, unless there is compelling evidence that any of those interactions were of a certain nature, you don't get to just ruin people's lives over things with no evidence or just by association.

Mayhem

07-24-2025, 03:02 AM

Certainly not arguing for the release of ny video or images.

And remember, Trump sat on them for four years as well, even through the time Epstein was murdered, sorry, unalived himself.

Agree about the angle you argue re Hanks example there, but they’ve got flight logs etc, so you’d think you’d start looking more closely at the people on those rather than one off or random encounters in normal life.

And on a different note, welcome back to Scotland you Cheeto faced shitgibbon (as he was last called when there :lol:)

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DMaFma9hVX2/?igsh=MXhqanF3bWdzajBheQ==

FredWolfLeonardo

07-24-2025, 03:04 AM

Certainly not arguing for the release of ny video or images

Not of the kids, but all the rapists on tape need to exposed with their victims blurred out.

ranger_scout

07-24-2025, 02:32 PM

Just in case no one already knew, the House panel voted in favor of subpoenaing Bill and Hillary Clinton in the Epstein probe. The same has been done to ex-FBI Director James Comey, one-time special counsel Robert Mueller, and former attorneys general Loretta Lynch, Eric Holder, Merrick Garland, Bill Barr, Jeff Sessions, and Alberto Gonzales.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/house-panel-directs-chairman-subpoena-bill-hillary-clinton-epstein-probe

IMJ

07-24-2025, 05:13 PM

FredWolfLeonardo

07-24-2025, 05:47 PM

This entire Epstein thing, as weird as it is, is just a talking point for certain circles. It's hardly going to make or break this four year run.

Also, anyone truly balanced wouldn't be so eager to throw the entire thing in as some kind of smoking gun. To be honest, I'd have thought it was nearly a forgone conclusion that Trump's name would be in whatever those "records" are. Epstein had an M.O. whereby he took years to get his face into photographs and to mingle with "the elite". It's literally a no-brainer.

There are a lot of potential reasons for the current status of the whole thing that don't involve Trump hooking up with teenage girls on a smut-island. As much as some here want that to be the case... :lol:

Hard disagree man, it's not just a talking point, it's part of the wider ideology that got Trump elected in the first place.

The whole MAGA movement since 2015 was always about exposing the establishment elites and draining the swamp. And now for Trump to cover for a Pedophile who had deep involvement with that same establishment is a betrayal of the original radical movement that helped him attain such popularity in the first place.

The ideal Trump in many supporters minds would've been relentless and aggressive, demanding full accountability and pushing for the Satanic cabal to be exposed, no matter what the danger to himself. But that man doesn't exist anymore because the illusion in people's minds has been permanently shattered.

To give Trump credit, he was the one who breathed fresh life into the Republician Party which had grown stale for years and there is a lot that I am thankful to him for in terms of how he gave a voice to Right-Wing Nationalist talking points. But now he's the same as those establishment Republicians who came before him.

IMJ

07-24-2025, 07:23 PM

And now for Trump to cover for a Pedophile who had deep involvement with that same establishment is a betrayal of the original radical movement that helped him attain such popularity in the first place.

But see that's just it.... It's the first inclination of.... people... to go the route that "some evil is being done and covered up for".

We don't even remotely know that, and as I've said there are a variety of reasons that could provide explanation for this outcome, including, as hard as it is to swallow, that there was nothing there. But there are a variety of other tactical reasons as well. As in, choices to not globally destabilize politics, and a few others as well.

The point is that it's a witch hunt right now. A witch-hunt built on that presumed "betrayal". Presumed. This isn't even remotely a smoking gun like something Clinton was tied up in. It's just low-hanging fruit until it's not.

The whole MAGA movement since 2015 was always about exposing the establishment elites and draining the swamp. And now for Trump to cover for a Pedophile who had deep involvement with that same establishment is a betrayal of the original radical movement that helped him attain such popularity in the first place.

Okay, so then I say, "where are we at with that point in relation to this issue?" :lol: Give me a firm statement because you have a "hard disagree" with what? I'm still saying that this isn't going to make or break the four year run. So what are you saying in that "hard disagree" with that? How is this going to make or break the guy's four year Presidency? You have that "hard disagree", so what of it?

Honestly I'm not going to dig in much further on this during a full frenzied Technodrome-style witch-hunt when, like I said there are a variety of other reasons to be where we are at with it that don't include the conspiracy that "Trump was doing the pedophile thing". Like I said - of course he was named in "the Epstein file", :lol: of course he was.

Right now, the only thing I've seen that I think was a mismove on Trump's part was literally not just saying "of course I was named in the file... of course I was, what would you expect? This Epstein guy infiltrated every circle that people like myself would be in. It doesn't mean that I was involved with any additional nasty material in it, that's why we dig deeper".

This sphere is completely biased - and that doesn't mean "against Trump". You guys will read what I wrote here and point fingers like I'm a deep "Trump worshiper", but I'm not - never was. But I'm not like most of the people on this board - you guys want to storm Frankenstein's castle at first blush and God help any voice of reason in a situation when the people of the Technodrome forum are cut loose in their "political assault". LOL and huge EYEROLL.

All I'm saying is that "save it for a real reveal of the evil", rather than for the optics that... some... people....light the torches on. But sure, the optics here suck. The optics suck, but bro you're in the wrong circles if you see everyone's view of Trump permanently shattered. LMAO try some other circles because if that's true maybe on the f'n Technodrome forums - it isn't true in the circles of success and thought.

FredWolfLeonardo

07-24-2025, 10:43 PM

I hard disagree with your statements that the Epstein thing is just a talking point and that this won't affect Trump's term.

I absolutely think it will negatively affect his run in a huge way for the following reasons:

1. Trump claimed nobody cares about Jeffrey Epstein.
2. Trump claimed that the Epstein Files are a Democrat Hoax.
3. Trump called his supporters weaklings and said he didn't want their support anymore for focusing on the Epstein thing.

It's not that Trump is staying silent about all this which is bad enough on its own. He is actively telling his base to drop one of their main concerns because he said its fake and nobody cares about it (both false), and then insulting them which is disgusting and unforgivable.

ToTheNines

07-25-2025, 04:03 AM

FredWolfLeonardo

07-25-2025, 04:25 AM

I heard from an inside source that Trump has been lashing out at everyone in his inner circle when they try to counsel him on this. Basically the only two people he’s listening to at all any more are Stephen Miller and Susie Wiles (his chief of staff who used to work for Netanyahu).

Not surprsingly he would be lashing out at his own inner circle considering he's also constantly lashing out reporters who ask him about Epstein.

What is even is left of MAGA anymore? Zionist Shills like Laura Loomer and Ben Shaprio? Lol.

ToTheNines

07-25-2025, 04:44 AM

Not surprsingly he would be lashing out at his own inner circle considering he's also constantly lashing out reporters who ask him about Epstein.

What is even is left of MAGA anymore? Zionist Shills like Laura Loomer and Ben Shaprio? Lol.

Yeah idk. Even MTG has been striking out on her own. She’s really gained some respect from me recently between speaking out against Israel (while fake progressives like AOC vote to send more and more money over there) and now the Epstein Files stuff.

Mayhem

07-26-2025, 05:08 AM

Evidence, I have to say based on what seen over the last year or so, is convincing…

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DMdgvFvvul5/?igsh=MWNtcGlwOHhhbDRhcg==

(TLDW - Trump has syphiliis which explains a multitude of his current health problems)

CyberCubed

07-26-2025, 03:09 PM

Only reason Trump should survive these 4 years of presidency is because J.D. Vance as president sounds terrible. Hopefully Trump at least finishes his term, then he can die shortly after.

IMJ

07-26-2025, 05:46 PM

Only reason Trump should survive these 4 years of presidency is because J.D. Vance as president sounds terrible. Hopefully Trump at least finishes his term, then he can die shortly after.

I said that sometime back - Trump took Vance as his V.P. as a protection measure. Not that Vance couldn't do the job, but he is just very rigid and you know that the left would bug up and lose their minds over it. So basically Vance is a bulletproof vest given the previous actions of leftist psychos.

ranger_scout

07-30-2025, 02:08 PM

Former vice president Kamala Harris won't be running for governor of California. I think her home state would've loved to have her back in charge. She probably realized that she couldn't win.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5428238-harris-not-running-california-governor/

Mayhem

07-31-2025, 03:36 AM

I was about to say surely Newsom is in a good position right now, but he’s term limited so new blood going in…

ranger_scout

07-31-2025, 02:27 PM

This is exactly what Hillary Clinton did after she lost in 2016.

Kamala Harris Announces 'Behind-the Scenes' Book on Failed 2024 Campaign (https://www.newsweek.com/kamala-harris-memoir-107-days-presidential-campaign-2107051)

ToTheNines

07-31-2025, 02:58 PM

Yeah running for president is a great way to get rich, win or lose.

Andrew NDB

07-31-2025, 05:03 PM

I was about to say surely Newsom is in a good position right now

He's probably the slimiest politician I've ever seen.

ToTheNines

07-31-2025, 06:15 PM

lol yeah it’s comical what a smarmy rich prick he is.

Daytona

07-31-2025, 07:31 PM

He’s Pelosi’s nephew, what do we expect?

Mayhem

08-01-2025, 02:22 AM

He's probably the slimiest politician I've ever seen.
Which I’m not going to inherently disagree with, but given Trump’s actions in and towards Cali et al, the majority of residents appear behind him.

He’s Pelosi’s nephew, what do we expect?
Not by blood, she married into the family remember.

Andrew NDB

08-01-2025, 02:40 AM

lol yeah it’s comical what a smarmy rich prick he is.

Yeah, he seems like the kind of cardboard, quasi "evil" politician you'd see in like 90s comedies. He is 100% that guy. It's difficult to believe he expects himself to be... believed. And yet he is.

IMJ

08-01-2025, 11:54 AM

Newsom is like an extreme parody of Hilary - with the "magicians hand gesture act" and other sort of manipulative S.O.P.

Honestly can't believe the guy hasn't been killed or attacked on the street, but he has the "phony shield" that Dems lap up.

FredWolfLeonardo

08-01-2025, 07:27 PM

Hey guys, don't worry about the job numbers being bad. Trump just posted on truth social that the calculations are wrong and made to make him look bad and the job numbers are the greatest the US has ever seen.

It's all Obama's fault!

https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/trump-israel-and-the-epstein-files/

Rabbi threatens Trump, implying that the Epstein scandal is divine punishment for not bombing Iran enough.

"Perhaps Trump will realize, that it really doesn’t pay to start up with Israel."

ranger_scout

08-07-2025, 07:31 PM

member_removed

08-07-2025, 08:17 PM

Former Democratic strategist James Carville is calling on Democrats to pack the Supreme Court which he previously said was too risky.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/carville-calls-democrats-unilaterally-pack-supreme-court-create-new-blue-states-to-save-democracy

This can't happen. That's what Communist countries do.

Well neither side have a history of playing fair, Mitch and the dragging their feet in 2016 because its and election year, then 4 years later pushing through Barrett one week before an election.

Both sides also trying strategic retirements to keep their numbers.

Perhaps a high senate vote of a 67% super majority to confirm justices
(and cabinet members) would rule out extremists on both sides. And force congress to work together rather than the tribal ******** we see every day.

FredWolfLeonardo

08-08-2025, 07:15 PM

Trump meeting Putin in Alaska on 15th August. Thoughts?

member_removed

08-08-2025, 09:15 PM

Trump meeting Putin in Alaska on 15th August. Thoughts?

Alaska seems an odd choice. I'm assuming in some remote corner. to avoid protesters.

I just had look at the 2024 electoral map. the few major population centres still look to lean blue. Juneau looked blue.

I'm assuming it'll be somewhere very remote.

ToTheNines

08-08-2025, 09:28 PM

I would imagine Anchorage. Not that it matters.

IMJ

08-08-2025, 10:03 PM

Alaska seems an odd choice. I'm assuming in some remote corner. to avoid protesters.

I just had look at the 2024 electoral map. the few major population centres still look to lean blue. Juneau looked blue.

I'm assuming it'll be somewhere very remote.

In many ways it makes a lot of sense. The borders of Alaska are incredibly close to Russia - a lot of people don't realize that. And so it might have been engineered that way for a variety of tactical reasons....

-"Come to Alaska, sure it's America, but it's near your own borders and you won't travel far"
-still has home field advantage and resources without the pressure of it as clearly on the invited
-a location that makes sense for both parties that doesn't subject Putin to "dictator" or "war crime" or "invader" rallying if they were to meet in a "3rd neutral country

All of that stems from Alaska's location in relation to Russia.

member_removed

08-09-2025, 07:29 AM

I would imagine Anchorage. Not that it matters.

I feel like it would be an undisclosed location in the far north of the state. Somewhere difficult for protesters to gain access to.

ToTheNines

08-09-2025, 07:41 AM

I did a job in Alaska last year, and saw one of the strangest things of my life. Me and my coworkers were in 3 separate rental trucks and ended up mixed into the back end of a 15 car caravan, all driven by Chinese people with signs all over and on top of their cars protesting the Chinese government. Most of the signs were promoting endccp.org

We ran into them just outside of Anchorage and took Route 1 all the way to Palmer, where they went North and we continued East. The whole ride was pretty much all scenic and sparsely populated, don’t know what they were trying to accomplish, but it was pretty funny.

Mayhem

08-09-2025, 04:25 PM

Trump meeting Putin in Alaska on 15th August. Thoughts?
Means jack all really without Zelensky. Just Trump cosying up. It will be another agreement that is terrible for Ukraine and Zelensky will reject it, and Trump will spout that he doesn’t want peace. Of course he does, without Putin or Trump taking pieces of Ukraine.

I did chuckle at the sheer number of comments online warning Alaskans that they will become Russian citizens as part of the deal…

FredWolfLeonardo

08-09-2025, 05:01 PM

My thoughts about the upcoming meeting:

1. Trump is really establishing himself as the part of the group of leaders worldwide who are willing to sit down and talk with Wanted War criminals. People like Trump, Viktor Orban and Narenda Modi have no shame about legitimising people like Putin and Netanyahu.

2. The meeting benefits Putin more than Trump. Putin will legitimise himself as someone who was allowed to set foot in the United States and judging by the war situation where Russia is winning, there is nothing stopping him from walking away and then breaking his promises because frankly, there isn't much Trump can do to threaten him without hurting the American economy.

3. The meeting will be wildly unpopular domestically, further worsening an already hated Foreign Policy. The vast majority of Americans are anti-Putin and this is especially true among younger Americans, who will consciously position themselves as Pro-Ukraine and Pro-Palestine, in direct opposition to the Trump Administration's Pro-Russia and Pro-Israel leanings.

Andrew NDB

08-09-2025, 08:01 PM

So he's just not supposed to talk to him at all? How is that going to be a solution for anything?

FredWolfLeonardo

08-09-2025, 09:16 PM

So he's just not supposed to talk to him at all? How is that going to be a solution for anything?

Republicians are also the ones who say "we don't negotiate with terrorists" so it's only natural to apply that same standard to Putin who is a terrorist, no doubt.

If I was in Trump's shoes, I would talk to Zelensky, not Putin. Ukraine is the one who is morally in the right, and they should be talked to.

Of course, I oppose Foreign Aid and American money going to Ukraine, but if I was living there, I'd be ashamed knowing that Putin was given safe haven on American soil.

Mayhem

08-10-2025, 08:51 AM

In theory, yes, Putin should be arrested as soon as he arrives in the US.

IndigoErth

08-10-2025, 10:48 AM

Well, that would be a twist.

*ICE storm out of a giant trojan moose to arrest him.*

Mayhem

08-10-2025, 01:55 PM

I’d be intrigued to hear what beyond “women don’t just vote for us white men”…

ToTheNines

08-10-2025, 02:40 PM

In theory, yes, Putin should be arrested as soon as he arrives in the US.

Why? Netanyahu comes here all the time to have his laundry done and get sucked off by Congress and nothing happens to him.

Mayhem

08-10-2025, 03:19 PM

That’s why I said in theory…

Autbot_Benz

08-10-2025, 03:57 PM

Well, that would be a twist.

*ICE storm out of a giant trojan moose to arrest him.*

Speaking of Ice who’s excited for washed up actor and MAGA Superman Dean Cain joining ice?

Mayhem

08-10-2025, 06:32 PM

Double irony. He played arguably the world’s most famous illegal immigrant on screen, and some of his relatives were interned during WW2 (his actual surname is Tanaka and is of part Japanese descent).

Deception

08-11-2025, 11:30 AM

Why? Netanyahu comes here all the time to have his laundry done and get sucked off by Congress and nothing happens to him.
Its almost like he is not a war criminal, but a leader of a state fighting against dogmatic terrorist controlled state of Palestine.
Go figure.:lol:

world’s most famous illegal immigrant
Oh, this laughable argument again. :lol:
Some people are so desperate to put THEIR political views anywhere, they ended up in a ridiculous pretzel of ludicrousness. :lol:

ToTheNines

08-11-2025, 12:08 PM

Deception.

https://www.analystnews.org/posts/how-israel-helped-prop-up-hamas-for-decades

FredWolfLeonardo

08-11-2025, 02:44 PM

Its almost like he is not a war criminal, but a leader of a state fighting against dogmatic terrorist controlled state of Palestine.
Go figure.:lol:

Did you just call Palestine a state? That's disgustingly antisemitic and you should be sent to the Wailing Wall and Auchwitz to apologise.

Jokes aside, it's strange how Nines talked about Netanyahu's dirty laundry and congress serving him like a prostitute and your response was to discuss the war. Even if he was a war hero for the sake of argument, I'd be disgusted if he came to my country and my politicians worshipped him the way they do in the United States.

ToTheNines

08-11-2025, 03:29 PM

https://i.imgur.com/X6r0IhJ.jpeg

Deception

08-11-2025, 06:11 PM

Deception.

https://www.analystnews.org/posts/how-israel-helped-prop-up-hamas-for-decades
Ah, yes, unbiased news source, my ass:
Analyst News began as an editorially-independent journalistic project by the international Ahmadiyya Muslim Community in 2021.
:lol:

ToTheNines

08-11-2025, 07:07 PM

I don’t see how that discredits the article. Guess I should have went to Daily Wire or Newsmax lol

Barkworm

08-11-2025, 11:16 PM

I don’t see how that discredits the article. Guess I should have went to Daily Wire or Newsmax lol

This is a serious question to you because I respect your opinion: How can you see Netanyahu for the fascist pig he is but you've said your 'neutral' towards Trump? How you can you be neutral towards his authoritarian shenanigans (and towards the fact that he is a felon and quite likely a rapist)?

Andrew NDB

08-11-2025, 11:19 PM

This is a serious question to you because I respect your opinion: How can you see Netanyahu for the fascist pig he is but you've said your 'neutral' towards Trump?

For someone in his shoes, I don't want to speak for him but I'm sure it's because Netanyahu is "actually" killing people in some kind of nefarious manner. While Trump is... well, like him or not, he's certainly not killing anybody. Nefariously or not. I'm sure that's the general rationale, but I (respectfully) don't agree that Netanyahu is really doing much wrong. And we can probably argue in depth about the veracity of this source or that source ad nauseum but without being there on the ground we could never really "win" an argument.

(and towards the fact that he is a felon

Oh that's right, the "felonies" where the jurors just had to imagine he might be guilty of "something" and nothing specific was ever mentioned. This is literally what the judge had the jurors do. Nobody puts any stock in those but the leftists that want us so, so badly to believe in them. Like in Tinkerbell. They don't even believe them themselves, and it drives them nuts that they didn't do what they hoped so badly they would. It's pretty much the same when normal people won't get as upset as they want them to about the "insurrection" on January 6th, though I think they're finally getting the hint there.

Mayhem

08-12-2025, 02:44 AM

While Trump is... well, like him or not, he's certainly not killing anybody.
https://news.sky.com/story/trumps-usaid-cuts-could-lead-to-14-million-deaths-report-warns-13390818

Beg to differ.

Oh that's right, the "felonies" where the jurors just had to imagine he might be guilty of "something" and nothing specific was ever mentioned.
“Trump was charged with 34 felony counts of falsifying business records to conceal payments made to the pornographic film actress Stormy Daniels as hush money to buy her silence over a sexual encounter between them; with costs related to the transaction included, the payments totaled $420,000.”

ToTheNines

08-12-2025, 04:22 AM

This is a serious question to you because I respect your opinion: How can you see Netanyahu for the fascist pig he is but you've said your 'neutral' towards Trump? How you can you be neutral towards his authoritarian shenanigans (and towards the fact that he is a felon and quite likely a rapist)?

Fair question. Basically I find most, if not all, reporting about Trump to be highly sensational. So I try to not get sucked into the nonsense.

I was anti-Trump as the next guy in 2016, but even then it was frustrating to see lib media CONSTANTLY taking him out of context and even lying about him. It’s like… isn’t he bad enough as is? Especially to people with liberal sensibilities? Why lie like this and play into in his “witch hunt” stuff? But this was not long after Hillary and the DNC doing things like using the Kenyan stuff against Obama and using Bernie’s Jewish heritage against him in primaries.

So as time went on, I realized the world was spinning on and the American “left” was never going to stop pretending every single thing he did was THE WORST THING EVERRR, no matter how mundane, or even objectively good it was. The big irony there is that deep scrutinization of Trump’s Secretary of Labor (who the hell ever cared about that?) was what lead people to uncover Alex Acosta’s connection to Jeffery Epstein and kicked that whole saga off.

The craziest thing to me was Covid. I’m not a denier, I’m vaccinated and I never whined about wearing a mask but it was insane to watch libs melt down against him when his messaging in those early days amounted to “nobody panic, let’s stay calm and figure this out”. There were several other psyops during 2020, culminating in the absolute clown show of January 6th.

So yeah, I think he’s bad overall. But no worse than any other president since the deep state started controlling the Oval Office shortly after they whacked JFK. If he’s guilty of any crimes related to the Epstein Files, I hope he sees justice the same way any rapist should. But at present it just seems like the latest fantasy driving the liberal bloodlust to see him thrown in jail for any reason they can find. If history is any indicator, nothing will happen to him.

And the Epstein stuff is just the tip of the iceberg. Look up Craig Spence and the Franklin Scandal some time.

ToTheNines

08-12-2025, 06:26 AM

For someone in his shoes, I don't want to speak for him but I'm sure it's because Netanyahu is "actually" killing people in some kind of nefarious manner. While Trump is... well, like him or not, he's certainly not killing anybody. Nefariously or not. I'm sure that's the general rationale, but I (respectfully) don't agree that Netanyahu is really doing much wrong. And we can probably argue in depth about the veracity of this source or that source ad nauseum but without being there on the ground we could never really "win" an argument.

Correct. I don’t know how much power Netanyahu actually has, but he seems to very skillfully use crises to stay in power despite being pretty unpopular over there.

I’m sure he has people he answers to. He’s just Philadelphia trash who wanted to make it in politics and succeeded. I don’t think the course of history or the future changes much with or without him.

But yeah, I think him and most of the IDF belong in prison. The Geneva Convention violations are just countless at this point. You can’t kill civilians. You can’t kill journalists and aid workers. It’s that simple.

Even throwing out international law and just using caveman eye-for-an-eye justice… how does anyone with a heart justify this? I’ll even play ball and give up on my October 7th conspiracies. If Hamas killed roughly 1,000 Israelis that day, how is it not unconscionable for Israel to kill over 50,000 people over the course of 2 years? It’s evil.

IMJ

08-12-2025, 09:59 AM

So as time went on, I realized the world was spinning on and the American “left” was never going to stop pretending every single thing he did was THE WORST THING EVERRR, no matter how mundane, or even objectively good it was.

That is the reality of the situation. The ongoing and ever deepening irrationality from the leftist-cult is actually what people push back on. Quite frankly if these weirdos of society weren't so deep in the Trump-witch-hunt he might not have been elected again.

There is literally no integrity on the at all in how the left operates, yet ironically we have to debate that Trump is a "felon" because he paid a woman off (happens all the time, but we never talk about women exploiting men for that) through an intermediary. Oh. "Felon". So basically they stormed Frankenstein's castle, dug as deep and as hard as they could, and that's what they came up with.

"We GOT HIM! He had a hot chick once and decided it was a better business and social move to ask it to be kept quiet, but he paid her through his LAWYER! HA! WE GOT HIM!" -Crickets- for everyone accept the most irrational of haters who needed something more to drive their hate.

People didn't vote for Trump. People voted against the modern, self-proclaimed "liberal".

Correct. I don’t know how much power Netanyahu actually has, but he seems to very skillfully use crises to stay in power despite being pretty unpopular over there.

Netanyahu has stayed in power because he has routine Parliamentary support which is the primary mechanism of action for what it takes to be a Prime Minister. And he has that support because the kinds of people who get into government in the first place tend to have shared vision to an extent. And so, if you alignment of fundamental belief systems between a Parliament and a Prime Minister, then the Prime Minister persists.

If people in Israel really wanted a governmental change then they need to rotate the kinds of people they get into Parliament first.

Andrew NDB

08-12-2025, 10:54 AM

But yeah, I think him and most of the IDF belong in prison. The Geneva Convention violations are just countless at this point. You can’t kill civilians. You can’t kill journalists and aid workers. It’s that simple.

I mean, where was all the fervor about this during WWII? Or even Afghanistan or Iraq. Civilians by the city full were getting bombed out of existence, literally in some cases. And that was when it wasn't a terrorist entity that openly hides under churches and hospitals within a populace that "loves death" and at least 75% supports them as we see now with the situation in Gaza.

And I don't get the "Israel didn't respond with a proportionate response!" stuff. Why would it be a proportionate response, or need to be? The enemy kills/rapes/kidnaps 1,000 of your people, so you just kill 1,000 of them, shake hands and call a truce? That's the way it's supposed to work? No, you give a disproportionate response, kick them in the teeth so hard they'll never even think about doing something remotely like that again. That's the way this has always worked.

IMJ

08-12-2025, 11:06 AM

The Powell Doctrine states that when engaging an enemy you use overwhelming force.

When your country is attacked you don't use a purely "proportionate response". That's just what leadership says to keep a certain cross-section of the population at ease. Behind the scenes you decimate your enemy. If someone home invades your house you most likely shoot them so that the assault on you and yours can't continue. You don't wait for it to be over and then go home-invade their house "in proportion".

Ignorance and "outraged virtue" are the root of a lot of evil. So in leadership you patronize the hell out of the ignorant and the outraged virtue-signaler and they are usually so caught up in their own BS they have no idea that they are being patronized. The "in proportion" responses are only their for conflict-moderation and potential wind-down of a conflict.

FredWolfLeonardo

08-12-2025, 12:02 PM

I mean, where was all the fervor about this during WWII? Or even Afghanistan or Iraq.

The narrative around these conflicts is changing among Generation Z, especially ww2 which up until now, has shaped how Western society views Israel as the ultimate victim.

For years, any attempt to question International Israeli Cabal's control over the West would result in one getting blacklisted, and you would be referred to reflect upon ww2.

But now the spell has been broken, and people are not only questioning Israel en masse, but the narrative from ww2 used to justify its control over Western Society.

Andrew NDB

08-12-2025, 12:10 PM

If someone home invades your house you most likely shoot them so that the assault on you and yours can't continue. You don't wait for it to be over and then go home-invade their house "in proportion".

Yeah, the rallying cry for an Israeli to have used a "proportionate response" seems to be coming from the same mentality of people who think that if someone breaks into your house at 3 AM and you stumble out of bed rubbing your eyes, you now somehow owe the person who just broke in some kind of a "fair fight" and need to engage them in a fistfight if they're unarmed, or go for a knife if all they've got is a knife, etc., etc.. It's absurd.

ToTheNines

08-12-2025, 12:53 PM

You guys using a home invasion analogy to talk about Israel-Palestine is one of the funniest things I’ve ever seen lol

FredWolfLeonardo

08-12-2025, 01:03 PM

You guys using a home invasion analogy to talk about Israel-Palestine is one of the funniest things I’ve ever seen lol

The analogy would be more accurate if a burglar broke in, took a family hostage and then fled to a town. Bomb the entire town out of existence?

That's not even considering that the man of the house was heavily armed, knew the burglar was coming in, let him in, shot some of his own family members in the process and is now begging everyone for money to fund his operations.

Andrew NDB

08-12-2025, 01:34 PM

You guys using a home invasion analogy to talk about Israel-Palestine is one of the funniest things I’ve ever seen lol

It's certainly not apples to apples, but that's exactly the point.

The analogy would be more accurate if a burglar broke in, took a family hostage and then fled to a town. Bomb the entire town out of existence?

In a town that is 75% burglars that are all cheering for what the burglar did to your house while promising they'll break into your house again and again in the future? I mean, you gotta do what you gotta do to at that point.

That's not even considering that the man of the house was heavily armed, knew the burglar was coming in, let him in, shot some of his own family members in the process and is now begging everyone for money to fund his operations.

Aaand now we go into crazy town.

FredWolfLeonardo

08-12-2025, 03:52 PM

In a town that is 75% burglars that are all cheering for what the burglar did to your house while promising they'll break into your house again and again in the future? I mean, you gotta do what you gotta do to at that point.

I'll entertain your hypothetical, even though I don't think the town is 75% burglars in real life.

Even if they were all burglars wanting to break in, guess what? I am the all-powerful and mighty Israel. I am so powerful that I control the United States and Europe, and if anyone criticises me in those countries, I will have them hunted down and I will force them to submit to me.

So with all my super arsenal of the most high-tech weapons and influence in mind, what are a bunch of Arabs on paragliders and motorcycles capable of doing to me? If I'm serious about protecting my people, they cannot touch me, that's just how powerful I am.

And if somehow, they slip through the cracks and kidnap my people even though its impossible, my troops are so strong that they can go in and easily retrieve the hostages without bombing the entire city to rubble.

It's not even close, my troops are infinietly superior to Hamas, they can't defeat me in a million years. I should be able to get the hostages back easily and going in there man to man will get the job done more cleanly and not turn the worldwide public against me like the bombing does.

Aaand now we go into crazy town.

When it comes to this issue, you're no different from the Woke Liberals you claim to oppose. When faced with difficult questions about Israel, the answer is not to analyse the claims and respond to them but simply to call them crazy town.

sdp

08-12-2025, 04:04 PM

We don't question the party narrative in here FWL.
Conspiracy theories are only ok when it's against the political party he disagrees with.

IMJ

08-12-2025, 05:03 PM

It's ok to be a warmonger when it's within my political beliefs.

More like "okay to be a warmonger when defending and responding to an attack on your land". It's simple dude. When an opposing force attacks you the retaliation should be so enormous and great that they can't or won't do it again.

You guys using a home invasion analogy to talk about Israel-Palestine is one of the funniest things I’ve ever seen lol

It doesn't have to be an apples-to-apples analogy to illustrate a procedural doctrine. :) It's simple dude. When an opposing force attacks you the retaliation should be so enormous and great that they can't or won't do it again.

In a town that is 75% burglars that are all cheering for what the burglar did to your house while promising they'll break into your house again and again in the future? I mean, you gotta do what you gotta.

You're being drawn into a semantic debate instead of an actual academic one.

The point is simple, I'll say it blunt force for anyone being obtuse enough to argue semantics as if that's actually a wisdom-burger that everyone should swallow - when an opposing force attacks you the retaliation should be so enormous and great that they can't or won't do it again.

That's not even considering that the man of the house was heavily armed, knew the burglar was coming in, let him in, shot some of his own family members in the process and is now begging everyone for money to fund his operations.

blank stare....

It's simple dude. When an opposing force attacks you the retaliation should be so enormous and great that they can't or won't do it again.

ToTheNines

08-12-2025, 05:10 PM

More like "okay to be a warmonger when defending and responding to an attack on your land".

lol, it’s not their land!

It doesn't have to be an apples-to-apples analogy to illustrate a procedural doctrine. :)

I wasn’t saying it was a bad analogy. I just thought the home invasion hypothetical was ironic because that’s exactly what the Israelis have done to innocent Palestinians when expanding their settlements.

This story doesn’t start on October 7th.

FredWolfLeonardo

08-12-2025, 05:35 PM

blank stare....

It's simple dude. When an opposing force attacks you the retaliation should be so enormous and great that they can't or won't do it again.

Epic Fail if that was the goal. The retaliation was so enormous it created lots of new Hamas Fighters for every Palestinian killed.

Deception

08-12-2025, 07:33 PM

https://news.sky.com/story/trumps-usaid-cuts-could-lead-to-14-million-deaths-report-warns-13390818

Beg to differ.
Leftists wet dreams.

But now the spell has been broken, and people are not only questioning Israel en masse, but the narrative from ww2 used to justify its control over Western Society.
And this is Nazi wet dream. Sounds kind of strange how closely it aligns with modern Leftist ideology...

Epic Fail if that was the goal. The retaliation was so enormous it created lots of new Hamas Fighters for every Palestinian killed.
Sounds like a ******** to me.
Besides, following this logic, might as well, never retaliate against terrorists or aggressors in general. What if it creates even more terrorists?! :roll:

ToTheNines

08-12-2025, 07:55 PM

Nazi allegations, cute. Maybe the country spreading propaganda all over the world about “this group of people LOVES DEATH! They must be exterminated!” fits the bill a little more accurately.

FredWolfLeonardo

08-12-2025, 08:10 PM

And this is Nazi wet dream. Sounds kind of strange how closely it aligns with modern Leftist ideology...

Lol this is exactly how the triggered liberals you supposedly oppose respond. Nazi this, Nazi that, Nazi everything.

Sounds like a ******** to me.
Besides, following this logic, might as well, never retaliate against terrorists or aggressors in general. What if it creates even more terrorists?! :roll:

Retaliate sure, but on foot against terrorists only. Bombing entire cities is not the way, look how it turned out in Afghanistan with the War on Terror.

For 20 years, Billions of Taxpayers dollars wasted, tonnes of bombs dropped to replace the Taliban with..... the Taliban?

IMJ

08-12-2025, 08:12 PM

Epic Fail if that was the goal. The retaliation was so enormous it created lots of new Hamas Fighters for every Palestinian killed.

And when they make their own life decisions and take whatever action they deem to be justifiable, then they'll be killed too.

FredWolfLeonardo

08-12-2025, 08:20 PM

And when they make their own life decisions and take whatever action they deem to be justifiable, then they'll be killed too.

We'll never agree on this obviously, but I atleast respect your honesty about it.

Andrew NDB

08-12-2025, 11:19 PM

FredWolfLeonardo

08-13-2025, 12:29 AM

To compare Hamas to Naziism... what we learned with Naziism in WWII is that, no no, you really can kill it away. It just takes some doing, and it was much easier when the enemy wore nice, very distinct uniforms and operated out in the open. You didn't hear during WWII, "You can't keep bombing the Nazis... you're just going to create more Nazis!" Maybe... but then they get killed, too. Fortunately, though, the Nazis didn't believe if they died in battle they'd go straight to Heaven with 10 virgin wives or whatever... so there's much more incentive to put down the guns and say enough is enough on all of that vs. if that's what you really believe.

Lol You must've not heard the latest Ye Song, and there are multiple surveys about Generation Z attitudes towards the Third Reich. The results are interesting to say the least, and not what you might expect.

Not to mention, Russia invaded Ukraine with one of their stated aims being Denazification. I don't support Russia and I support Ukraine, but there is a real Nazi presence in Ukraine, such as the Azov Battalion.

Nazism is not dead at all.

Andrew NDB

08-13-2025, 01:26 AM

Lol You must've not heard the latest Ye Song, and there are multiple surveys about Generation Z attitudes towards the Third Reich. The results are interesting to say the least, and not what you might expect.

Who cares what Kanye West says about anything? What is even the last song he's made that charted, that anyone remembers? And I'm really not interested in what Generation Z thinks about much of anything. Like any new generation, the hope is always that eventually... eventually... they'll come around.

Not to mention, Russia invaded Ukraine with one of their stated aims being Denazification. I don't support Russia and I support Ukraine, but there is a real Nazi presence in Ukraine, such as the Azov Battalion.

Nazism is not dead at all.

Oh no, I agree on this piece. And I'm aware. The Ukraine-Russia situation is not as clear cut as it is often made out to be. And it is immensely complicated. Also in that what we as the US do or don't do would then impact what, for example, China does or doesn't do with Taiwan. I do hope the latest talks yield something.

ToTheNines

08-13-2025, 04:42 AM

Ok, now that we’ve circled back to something we agree on, I am respectfully tapping out lol. Like Andrew said, nobody is gonna “win”.

Barkworm, I personally don’t think it’s necessary to send this to the DU. We’re all pals.

Deception

08-13-2025, 08:56 AM

Nazi allegations, cute. Maybe the country spreading propaganda all over the world about “this group of people LOVES DEATH! They must be exterminated!” fits the bill a little more accurately.
I agree, Palestine fits this bill to a T.

Lol this is exactly how the triggered liberals you supposedly oppose respond. Nazi this, Nazi that, Nazi everything.
So you are disagreeing that whitewashing Nazi crimes would be an utmost priority for Nazis to normalize their ideology?
Who's interests do you have in mind?

Retaliate sure, but on foot against terrorists only. Bombing entire cities is not the way, look how it turned out in Afghanistan with the War on Terror.

For 20 years, Billions of Taxpayers dollars wasted, tonnes of bombs dropped to replace the Taliban with..... the Taliban?
Americans were too spineless to ensure their rule and preferred to hand control of the country to a local corrupt administration, which, of course, was too corrupt and cowardly to stave off terrorist resurgence.

Lol You must've not heard the latest Ye Song, and there are multiple surveys about Generation Z attitudes towards the Third Reich. The results are interesting to say the least, and not what you might expect.
Who cares what mentally ill idiot says?
Also, if so called "Generation Z" wants to support Nazis they deserve to be destroyed.

IMJ

08-13-2025, 09:08 AM

-double post-

IMJ

08-13-2025, 09:14 AM

We'll never agree on this obviously, but I atleast respect your honesty about it.

Well you know man - I think at the end of the day the decisive moment is when you (the ubiquitous you, not YOU) realize that some conflicts move generationally on pride or fundamentalism and basically lose all rationality.

At some point you say, regardless of psuedo-intellectualism and so on, that the lines on the map are generally drawn in modernity after past conflicts and now you defend those lines.

Anything else is armchair quarterbacking and I view much of this thread through the lens of psychology (as I tend to do). And my skill is parsing out people's bull$#!( from validity and often when you can't reach a resolution you then distill it down to the hardest floor.

The hardest floor is "Palestinians shouldn't be killed for being Palestinian, ever. But Israel is a sovereign place like any other and if you attack a nation then that nation will seek to stomp you out".

Map lines be damned it's that simple at some point.

I didn't know you were pro Ukraine

How could anyone not be - they were invaded.

As I tried to illustrate above - 99% of the time only clown world gets involved in debates regarding "heritage reunification" or "this land was once theirs" points. Ukraine was invaded on a "land and power grab" and the best precedent for it was Putin's "they used to be Russian so that's good enough for us".

Nah, the end.

And that position is basically an evaluation of the situation - not the armchair quarterbacking bull $#!( of "who is the worse Dictator between Putin and Zelensky". I'll leave that debate for the clown world fakers who can't parse out something as simple as "invading country without even a hint of security-rationale" = wrong. Clearly.

Of course this now invites circular debate from clown-world in an attempt at self-importance through wordspin on things like "Well then Bush = wrong because bla bla bla". None of it is authentic conversation when it's a significant amount of wordspin that creates complexity as a veil.

What some of you view as my "ego" when I talk about "clown world" I view as counter to the know-it-all-ego's of your average armchair quarterback who actually has nothing in the game but the world play points and appears to have no experimental control through a baseline belief system other than "their side". Baseline belief system is simple = don't arbitrarily invade other nations or peoples based on your fundamentalism, ancient-generational bull $#!(, or land grab without valid security concerns. The baseline belief system instantly eliminates 90% of the bull $#!( even in this thread.

Americans were too spineless to ensure their rule and preferred to hand control of the country to a local corrupt administration, which, of course, was too corrupt and cowardly to stave off terrorist resurgence.

Do you see the raging irony here? The irony exemplifies exactly what I was describing.
"Americans were to spineless to ensure their rule...." - criticism of America basically going in, doing the job and generally leaving.
vs anyone else in this thread who would say:
"Americans exhibit too much expansionist control and should mind their own business"

vs the actual baseline of normalcy:

America was attacked. It crushed the attacker as it should, and generally trickled out of the area as it should because the future behavior of the areas people is generally on them to decide.

I can't wait for the wordspin that tries to "outsmart" my point instead of actual intelligence that sees the reality of it and then works within that framework. Psychological prominence - most of you would (and have) say anything.

FredWolfLeonardo

08-13-2025, 11:16 AM

Also, if so called "Generation Z" wants to support Nazis they deserve to be destroyed.

Okay Boomer.

Andrew NDB

08-13-2025, 11:28 AM

Also, if so called "Generation Z" wants to support Nazis they deserve to be destroyed.

Of course.

IMJ

08-13-2025, 11:42 AM

"Nazis". The phantom target of modern crazy people injecting importance into their existence by having an evil to fight. Second only to "the racists" all around them.

Modern McCarthyism.
Modern Witch Hunting.
Modern Scarlett Lettering.
Modern Storming of Frankenstein's castle.

An undeniable cross-temporal rehash of the peasant-thinker phenomena. Never change, peasant-thinker. We need you in ways you'll never know.

What f'n Nazis? Where are all of these alleged f'n "Nazis"?

Andrew NDB

08-13-2025, 11:48 AM

IMJ

08-13-2025, 11:53 AM

There's a huge distinction between the blue haired American white woman -- and I do have a couple of those still left in my feed -- who will post daily on Facebook about, "Guess what? I walked down the street to get a coffee and met another NAZI today!!! Guess I won't be going to E-Z Java on Capitol Hill anymore!" and, you know, organized skinhead types who have a doctrine and very much practice what they preach on the day to day. Now, the latter doesn't really exist much in the US (I'm reasonably sure there is but I've never seen or met any ever and don't know of anyone who has either) but apparently it does in significant pockets in parts of Europe. I haven't met any myself in this or any other country, but I've heard accounts from people in other countries I'd trust in general and I'd consider to be of reasonably sound mind.

Oh I agree with that 100%, but even so the group is such a small example of the population that it barely makes sense to have the topic be a concept-of-conversation anywhere even remotely as much as it is.

That's my point. It's just a modern witch-hunt. F'n "Nazis everywhere". It's basically "Summer of the Shark" but with "Nazis" instead of "sharks", and for the last ten years instead of a single Summer.

These examples and comparisons I drop are f'n wisdom trying to shake some of these people into reality, man. :lol: But most people just don't f'n get it - "IMJ bad because he doesn't get onboard and when he holds a mirror to my dumb $#!( I don't like feeling like I'm part of the problem".

Deception

08-13-2025, 02:53 PM

Okay Boomer.
So you are pro-Nazi and support their ideology?

"Americans were to spineless to ensure their rule...." - criticism of America basically going in, doing the job and generally leaving.
The problem is not they did they job and left, its that they did POOR job and left.

FredWolfLeonardo

08-13-2025, 03:14 PM

The problem is not they did they job and left, its that they did POOR job and left.

If 20 years of bombings and war in Afghanistan was a poor job, then I don't like what I think is a good job in your books.

IMJ

08-13-2025, 03:33 PM

The problem is not they did they job and left, its that they did POOR job and left.

Authentically curious to read more here.....
Maybe somewhat succinctly. What are the earmarks of the "job done poorly" in the arena you are talking about?

Deception

08-14-2025, 06:21 AM

If 20 years of bombings and war in Afghanistan was a poor job, then I don't like what I think is a good job in your books.
This is A definition of a poor job: come in, bomb ****, give country to a corrupt administration, **** away. Not even an attempt to run the country like a normal entity or defeat terrorists, just sitting on sidelines, watching the whole thing going down the drain.
If that is a definition of a good job, I don't know what is a bad job.

FredWolfLeonardo

08-14-2025, 09:33 AM

This is A definition of a poor job: come in, bomb ****, give country to a corrupt administration, **** away. Not even an attempt to run the country like a normal entity or defeat terrorists, just sitting on sidelines, watching the whole thing going down the drain.
If that is a definition of a good job, I don't know what is a bad job.

Just to clarify, I don't define what happend in Afghanistan was a good job. I oppose the entire invasion, and I think 9/11 had nothing to do with Afghanistan.

I guess what I was trying to get at was that the amount of bombs dropped and the thousands of American casualties in Afghanistan was already horrific and it it didn't achieve the stated aim of "defeating terrorists" whose link to 9/11 was questionable at best.

If our timeline's Afghanistan War was just "sitting on the sidelines" as you describe it, then I imagine that an "active" Afghanistan war by your standard would've killed so many more American soldiers and wasted so many more American taxpayer dollars by attempting to actively run and govern the country like you propose.

What George Bush did to Afghanistan was already terrible and is hated by most people today. Frankly, I think if you were American President at the time, your approach to how to handle the conflict would've earned you even greater hatred by the American people.

ranger_scout

08-14-2025, 04:48 PM

Well neither side have a history of playing fair, Mitch and the dragging their feet in 2016 because its and election year, then 4 years later pushing through Barrett one week before an election.

Both sides also trying strategic retirements to keep their numbers.

Perhaps a high senate vote of a 67% super majority to confirm justices
(and cabinet members) would rule out extremists on both sides. And force congress to work together rather than the tribal ******** we see every day.

Merrick Garland would've made an awful Supreme Court Justice. He was a lousy U.S. Attorney General, especially because he along with Biden and Harris did very little to nothing to prosecute or condemn the vandalism of Catholic churches and pro-life centers across the country after Roe V Wade was overturned.

Andrew NDB

08-14-2025, 05:04 PM

I think most Americans absolutely understand what we did in Afghanistan and don't "disagree" with it. Iraq is a very different story, of course.

Deception

08-14-2025, 05:35 PM

Just to clarify, I don't define what happend in Afghanistan was a good job. I oppose the entire invasion, and I think 9/11 had nothing to do with Afghanistan.
That's the point - it shouldn't have been thing at all.

But if US got there, they should have ensured that terrorists won't be able to get a hold of a country again. Instead of this, thousands died and 20 years later country is the same shithole as before.
All was for nothing.

As for hatred - if US was able to turn Afghanistan into a stable country, who would have hated that? Definitely not Afghanistan people. Commietrash and some zealous camelhoarders and terrorists? Well, they go take a hike into a woodchipper anyway.

FredWolfLeonardo

08-14-2025, 05:41 PM

That's the point - it shouldn't have been thing at all.

All was for nothing.

Atleast we agree on these points. We have common ground after all.

ToTheNines

08-15-2025, 07:24 AM

https://i.imgur.com/VMaEaD9.jpeg

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/netanyahu-says-hes-on-a-historic-and-spiritual-mission-endorses-vision-of-greater-israel/

Totally not a deranged, religious zealot.

I think most Americans absolutely agree Afghanistan was a mistake as well.

Depends how much you eat the propaganda up.

FredWolfLeonardo

08-15-2025, 11:26 AM

Totally not a deranged, religious zealot.

Remember when all of us who were saying that Greater Israel is the real end goal of these people and that Epstein was an Israeli agent years ago were called Crazy Town Nazis?

Now Greater Israel is being talked about by none other than Netanyahu himself and there is a recently released photograph of Epstein wearing an IDF shirt. It's all just a giant coincidence though I'm sure.

ToTheNines

08-15-2025, 11:36 AM

Everything’s an antisemitic conspiracy theory until it isn’t lol

Deception

08-15-2025, 12:28 PM

Remember when all of us who were saying that Greater Israel is the real end goal of these people and that Epstein was an Israeli agent years ago were called Crazy Town Nazis?

Now Greater Israel is being talked about by none other than Netanyahu himself and there is a recently released photograph of Epstein wearing an IDF shirt. It's all just a giant coincidence though I'm sure.
Swastika awaits for you.

Everything’s an antisemitic conspiracy theory until it isn’t lol
Horseshoe theory in action.
Not that Lefties ever were not-anti-Semitic.

Now you both are gonna cry and whine "of course, we do not parrot Nazi thesis, its just all big coincidence" and "we are meaning different things", but everyone knows what do you mean and why (jealousy for your precious religion not being "yours" and lefty being lefty).

ranger_scout

08-15-2025, 12:38 PM

I love Rob Paulsen, but I wish he would stay out of things like this. The woman in this video should've come more prepared, but I don't think he needed to say this, especially because he's done cartoons with biblical messages like Adventures in the Bible and The Little Troll Prince. Even the Christmas episode of Animaniacs had a nativity segment.

I’m so tired too, lady: of remarkably narrow-minded people who, under the “brain fog” of moral relativism, justify and give relevance to an agenda that is demonstrably dangerous to our CONSTITUTIONAL republic. Despicable. Disgusting. Embarrassing.

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/14HKk3yeLuu/

FredWolfLeonardo

08-15-2025, 12:51 PM

Swastika awaits for you.

They can call you a Nazi, but they cannot call you a Liar.

Jealousy for your precious religion not being "yours" and lefty being lefty).

I don't understand this line. I'm jealous about my religion not being "mine"?

Please elaborate.

ToTheNines

08-15-2025, 12:57 PM

Swastika awaits for you.

Horseshoe theory in action.
Not that Lefties ever were not-anti-Semitic.

Now you both are gonna cry and whine "of course, we do not parrot Nazi thesis, its just all big coincidence" and "we are meaning different things", but everyone knows what do you mean and why (jealousy for your precious religion not being "yours" and lefty being lefty).

This is you.

https://i.imgur.com/z9Nevml.jpeg

Andrew NDB

08-15-2025, 01:13 PM

What are the best Palestinian foods? Or how about music? Movies? Or anything, really?

ToTheNines

08-15-2025, 01:17 PM

https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj_CD3YFGcrZ6A3zySYYKsKTVtxhcPA1p7jFPiE27iTz5 JPSz53Vw0V1hTrdvkEcThhuFHoF6W4Q_P2rlBjoZfaEYNJ95Vy Ks1XPISKZBoEh0M05Z07KB7wD0SO91o1oLj6SL0vOR2I/s1600/Image-1.jpg

This and a DJ Khaled track would hit so hard right now.

Deception

08-15-2025, 04:18 PM

They can call you a Nazi, but they cannot call you a Liar.
If you are supporting tenets of such rotten ideology as Nazism you are A liar, since Nazism is founded on lies.

This is you.
Cheap lefty provocation trash won't work on me.
Save it for Reddit, sweety.

What are the best Palestinian foods? Or how about music? Movies? Or anything, really?
Palestine delivers a lot of things like: cheaply made rockets, which explode in hands of their creators, bunch of terrorist organizations, hellbent on genocide, military bases, disguised as hospitals...none of them contribute to civilization, but fans of Palestine don't like to mention those.

Their argument "but, if not for those pesky Jews Palestine would have been a PARADISE!!". They forget to mention how Israel attempted to make peace with Palestine several times and each time it was broken by...well, Palestine itself. Apparently, if Palestine government can't control their terrorists or do not want to fight them, it is somehow Israel's fault.

Lefties can only repeat Nazi slogans (but, no, it is the rest world are Nazis!!) and **** out Tiktok level braindead memes, which shows their level of intellect and how they are perceiving world.

FredWolfLeonardo

08-15-2025, 05:01 PM

If you are supporting tenets of such rotten ideology as Nazism you are A liar, since Nazism is founded on lies.

Nazism as an ideology has many elements, I've only touched on one of those in this discussion which is that there is an International Conspiracy affecting the Western World for the benefit of a certain group of people and a certain country.

I've provided countless examples of this conspiracy's vast power and influence, and your response has only been to say "Nazi" to try and emotionally guilt me into disawoving that this conspiracy exists because Hitler also believed in it.

The emotional blackmail doesn't work on me. I want you to directly respond to my points and point out why there is no International Conspiracy that controls the West and benefits Israel.

Cheap lefty provocation trash won't work on me.
Save it for Reddit, sweety.

Haha dang, you give me such Sumac vibes (a banned user for those who don't know). Not saying you are him, but the usage of "Lefty, Nazi, Sweetie" are exactly like his posts, right down to the broken English due to it being his second language.

You should check out his posts lol.

ToTheNines

08-15-2025, 06:57 PM

https://i.imgur.com/y26O9HC.jpeg

Andrew NDB

08-15-2025, 07:12 PM

They're considering anyone under 18 (as they should) the "child." Like, even a 17 year-old coming at you with a machine gun so you blow them away, that would be a "child death." Hamas has tons of kids and teenagers as active "soldiers"/combatants and Ukraine isn't doing that. Probably Hamas should stop doing that.

ToTheNines

08-15-2025, 08:17 PM

FredWolfLeonardo

08-15-2025, 08:46 PM

What exactly gave Zionist forces the right to invade the sovereign state of Palestine in 1948 and kill upwards of 10,000 people? They were posted up Loving Death too much?

Khammmmmasssss made them do it, Khammmmmassssssss

IMJ

08-15-2025, 09:23 PM

So I know you guys like to start this story on October 7th 2023, but I want to revisit your home intruder analogy.

What exactly gave Zionist forces the right to invade the sovereign state of Palestine in 1948 and kill upwards of 10,000 people? They were posted up Loving Death too much?

Probably little "right". But then this dismisses the nature of the home invader story. The house is now yours, not his. You defend it. The end. By any logic implying otherwise, then you have to keep going back in time until you find out who threw the first stone wearing hides and sandals. It's all bull $#!(.

You defend your lines. That's it.

FredWolfLeonardo

08-15-2025, 09:29 PM

The house is now Russia's, not Ukraine's. Russia must defend it. The end.

Note my sarcasm. My real position is, Free Ukraine and Free Palestine.

Andrew NDB

08-16-2025, 12:35 AM

Probably little "right". But then this dismisses the nature of the home invader story. The house is now yours, not his. You defend it. The end. By any logic implying otherwise, then you have to keep going back in time until you find out who threw the first stone wearing hides and sandals. It's all bull $#!(.

You defend your lines. That's it.

This pretty much. Sometimes it's ****** and unfair but it is what it is. The "colonial" argument always strikes me as a pretty obvious fallacy. Same with the "stolen land" of the US (there wasn't even a country here until we made one, and it's as if to pretend there weren't warring tribes decimating one another barbarically for land generations before that which is just stupid), and the lies that are often parroted by Gen Z and millennials (to name just one, that settlers knew what bacteria was eons before anyone knew that was a thing and apparently seeded blankets with disease as some kind of Trojan Horse and so on). And the Israel land deal was even ratified and brokered by a third party with Britain. Which isn't to suggest Britain was or is any kind of great arbiter of anything, but it wasn't like Israel just did a thing independently. It was given to them and has been defended ever since.

Like most of the problems today, the root cause seems to be a weaponized form of envy. "They're successful! Their presence being successful must mean they're the cause that everyone else around them isn't successful!" And so on. And today it's kids growing up being told they'll never have a chance (so why bother, right?) because of the EVIL rich billionaires, so they basically give up and just side with these apparently similar "underdogs," regardless of these "underdogs"' worldview or mission statements. Or that if they actually met these "underdogs" in person they'd literally get thrown off the rooftops in about 5 seconds. It's pretty nuts. As a parent of a now 17 year-old I've seen this happen in real-time.

Honestly, I have no horse in this race. I have no strong feelings either way about Israel. If you tell me you want the country to be destroyed, I may think you're a crappy person for thinking that but I'll still talk to you and be friends... it's not really any sweat off my back, and it's not like you're actively participating in that. I just notice patterns, and it seems odd that juuuust with Israel is where suddenly large swaths of people's eyebrows perk up and it is somehow held to a vastly different and higher bar than any other country in history in virtually anything and everything at every turn. I'm not going to throw the "antisemitic" word around like a cudgel or anything else as it all too often is wrongly... but. You still kind of then have to put a magnifying glass on the reasons why that would be. And that part is where it's interesting to me.

Deception

08-16-2025, 03:45 AM

If you tell me you want the country to be destroyed, I may think you're a crappy person for thinking that but I'll still talk to you and be friends...
I would not like to be friends with a person who wants to exterminate millions based on their race / faith / whatever.
Since I am, my family or / and my friends, can, and most likely will, sooner or later become targets of said person.

What exactly gave Zionist forces the right to invade the sovereign state of Palestine in 1948 and kill upwards of 10,000 people? They were posted up Loving Death too much?
On May 14, the eve of the British withdrawal, Israel declared its independence. The following day, the armies of Egypt, Transjordan (Jordan), Iraq, Syria, and Lebanon invaded and attacked the Jewish paramilitaries, carrying out a decision that the Arab League had made weeks before.
Sounds like it was "Zionist" state that was invaded. By multiple entities at that. :roll:

Nazism as an ideology has many elements, I've only touched on one of those in this discussion which is that there is an International Conspiracy affecting the Western World for the benefit of a certain group of people and a certain country.

I've provided countless examples of this conspiracy's vast power and influence, and your response has only been to say "Nazi" to try and emotionally guilt me into disawoving that this conspiracy exists because Hitler also believed in it.

The emotional blackmail doesn't work on me. I want you to directly respond to my points and point out why there is no International Conspiracy that controls the West and benefits Israel.
I have no interest in responding for a Nazi propaganda trash.
If you believe that small group, defined by their faith, controls the world, you belong in the same soft-padded cell, like all other Nazi scum.

Crying about "eMotIoNaL BLaCkMAil"...you are not a good person and I could give less than a pigeon **** about your "emotions".

Khammmmmasssss made them do it, Khammmmmassssssss
I hope you do have a can of gasoline and a bullet nearby.

ToTheNines

08-16-2025, 04:00 AM

I’m anti-zionist, not antisemitic. I value all human life, including Jews. Which is why it’s crazy to me that Israel is where it is. (And **** their 3,000 year old prophecy). I feel that that they would have prospered and there would have been less, if any, bloodshed had Israel been established within a US territory, Canada, Madagascar, or Australia. All places with many empty landmasses, especially back in the 40’s. Or somewhere in Europe. Seems unwise to violently overtake an Arab nation. But by y’all’s logic, I guess all those Israeli civilians and soldiers that have been killed over the years… it is what it is!

A few posts back you asked where the fervor was WWII and Iraq. Well I wasn’t alive for one, and I was only 12 for the other. People are fired up about Israel because it’s happening right now, it’s being backed by the US, and there seems to be a massive propaganda campaign working overtime to white wash the whole thing while our county throws billions of dollars at the situation. It makes me sick.

I haven’t known IMJ for as long, but I’m only even engaging in this back and forth with you guys (Not this Deception weirdo, I think FWL is right and it’s Sumac lol) because your political opinions don’t seem to be based in some rigid ideology. I think you guys are just trying to get at the truth, ultimately. So it’s just strange to see guys like you share the exact same stance on Israel as the Biden-Harris administration. I dunno.

ToTheNines

08-16-2025, 04:09 AM

I would not like to be friends with a person who wants to exterminate millions based on their race / faith / whatever.
Since I am, my family or / and my friends, can, and most likely will, sooner or later become targets of said person.

This is your brain on 9/11.

Sounds like it was "Zionist" state that was invaded. By multiple entities at that. :roll:

I wonder why.

I hope you do have a can of gasoline and a bullet nearby.

This has been a discussion amongst a small number of internet pals, thus far. Even the couple of digs that have been taken at one another have not gotten contentious because we all get along and we’re not little bitches.

Why come in here as a new member and say some crazy **** like that to someone?