US American politics

[Barkworm]

I didn't find a matching IP but the little posting he did was enough to see that he is not interested in any civil discourse.

It's clearly an alt-account, but there's no way that guy is Sumac. Sumac wasn't even remotely that obtuse. And it would take far too much energy for - be it a weirdo or a normal guy - to have to log in and alter personality to extremes on the daily just to post on the f'n Technodrome forums.
You're kidding, right? Sumac was exactly like that.

[CyberCubed]

I always suspect when you see someone with a low post count (but has an old reg date), is someones alt/burner account. It's not always true of course, but if someone made an accounts months or even years ago and just starts posting with it a lot, it's very suspicious.

And also posting a lot in the non-TMNT sections in politic threads is a dead give away.

[Mayhem]

No deal between Putin and Trump, no surprise, but I’ll admit the vibe in the reporting here is mildly hopeful. So who knows the next time.

[IndigoErth]

The meeting could have been an email or phone call and saved us tax dollars on the effort spent to get nowhere again.

[ToTheNines]

Sorry Sumac. No incel terrorists can get past the Iron Drome.

[Mayhem]

Trump failed the sobriety test down the red carpet, he really does have dementia, or syphilis.

[Andrew NDB]

No deal between Putin and Trump, no surprise, but I’ll admit the vibe in the reporting here is mildly hopeful. So who knows the next time.

The meeting could have been an email or phone call and saved us tax dollars on the effort spent to get nowhere again.

I'm by no means versed in the ways of diplomacy beyond what we've seen in film and just living and watching the news, but it does seem like the general idea here is that now -- for better or worse, but this does stop the dying -- Trump goes back to Zelenskyy and says, "OK, here's the deal. You gotta give up this and this," and if he says no, then Trump will publicly get mad at Zelenskyy. Pretty much. And you can already imagine how that's going to go in the media.

But again, Ukraine has no hope of winning this. 0. And Russia is playing softball with what they COULD do. The best and most realistic end to this is... well, that happens (Ukraine cedes more land)... and Ukraine DOES get to get some kind of basic protection package but one that is not NATO and Putin leaves it be then. And maybe there is even some new trade deals in the mix. And all sanctions and whatnot are lifted on everybody.

[Mayhem]

Conversely I don’t think Russia can conceivably win matters either. And I think Zelensky knows that.

[ranger_scout]

Hillary Clinton is such a crooked woman.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hillary-clinton-slapped-with-ethics-complaint-targeting-her-law-license-over-role-in-russiagate-scandal

Democrats got some bad news from The New York Times. They have lost 2.1 million voters in 30 states.

https://x.com/ShaneGoldmacher/status/1958139289134395523

[ToTheNines]

Who is still thinking about Hillary Clinton after 2016 lmao that w as nearly a decade ago

I started relistening to one of my favorite comedy podcasts from the start recently. First episode was early 2016 and I am constantly blown away by how culture has almost completely stagnated over the past 10 years. It’s wild.

[IMJ]

Who is still thinking about Hillary Clinton after 2016 lmao that w as nearly a decade ago

She's like a cockroach that keeps reinfesting your shoe closet. You try to forget about her and then some left-sided weirdo with eyes glazed over interviews her as if anyone truly gave a $#!( about her in the first place.

Now we have Gavin Newsom filling in the gap of "manipulative clown gesturer" that she's slowly leaving in her increasing irrelevancy. Except for that cockroach thing..... she'll definitely be back somehow.

[Daytona]

Hilary is still relevant due to her lies and the people who pushed them still trying to hold influence in politics.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Hillary dérangement syndrome

Democrat derangement syndrome is real.

Many of the MAGA fans are the new triggered liberals. No matter what criticism is laid against Trump, the tone-deaf response among many is "but but but Obama, Kamala, Biden!!!!!""

[Daytona]

First the left hates everything the right does then they copy it. Down to the “derangement syndrome” accusations.

Just like Newsom copying Trump on Twitter and with the cussing.

It’s sad that the left can no longer think for itself bc we really do need more a one functioning party.

Anyway, we’ll probably be hearing “Hilary derangement syndrome” a lot this next year bc she’s basically been caught with her hand in the jar again.

[Mayhem]

Many of the MAGA fans are the new triggered liberals. No matter what criticism is laid against Trump, the tone-deaf response among many is "but but but Obama, Kamala, Biden!!!!!""
Well, this is the thing, the right/MAGA purport to be the party of free speech, but as soon as anything is posted that goes against message or criticises Dear Leader, out comes the screeching, whining, and bitching to shut it down.

Now, some on the left are accused of doing similar, and I agree, but not myself. If you want to go ahead and post that stuff, fine with me, within your right, but there are often consequences to doing so (usually at a private corporate level, sometimes at a breaking the law level). And that's the bit they REALLY hate, because to them, free speech actually means the right to post really crappy things about other people with no comeback or penalty.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/aug/19/israeli-official-soliciting-minor-las-vegas

Israeli government offical in Las Vegas charged for soliciting sex with a 15 year old girl in a sting operation is released immediately and then allowed to return to Israel.

“The Department of State is aware that Tom Artiom Alexandrovich, an Israeli citizen, was arrested in Las Vegas and given a court date for charges related to soliciting sex electronically from a minor,” the state department wrote on X.

I wonder why this child sex predator was allowed to escape?

[ToTheNines]

Our greatest ally!

Maybe the child the were trying to **** was a suspected Khamas child soldier?!??? Ever think of that, bigot?

[Coola Yagami]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/aug/19/israeli-official-soliciting-minor-las-vegas

Israeli government offical in Las Vegas charged for soliciting sex with a 15 year old girl in a sting operation is released immediately and then allowed to return to Israel.



I wonder why this child sex predator was allowed to escape?

Well I mean, you know the guy we got in office. Birds of a feather and all that.

[Mayhem]

i wonder why this child sex predator was allowed to escape?
diplomatic immunity!

[Barkworm]

If politicians could exploit Trump's new obsession with winning the Nobel peace prize, there might be ways to achieve peace here and there although so far most of Trump's efforts have been laughable.

The Nobel prize' reputation has been worthless ever since they gave it to Obama for nothing so handing it to this idiot wouldn't do much harm.

[IndigoErth]

Has no one reminded him that being the rallying cry of an insurrection, being accountable for ICE wrongly arresting legal citizens, all that fearmongering he loves, thriving on sowing hate and division, blaming Ukraine for a war against them, and on and on... should, in fact, make his chances of any prizes having to do with peace null and void?

I mean no one is perfect, even winners make mistakes in life, but come on. You shouldn't be able to by default be that sort of person and have any hope of getting that. He's too blind to even know what peace looks like.

Oh, if only two nations in conflict would settle it so he can try to claim all the credit and be worthy!

[Andrew NDB]

Barkworm is right. The NPP was given to Obama for just being Obama. If Trump brokers even a little tiny piece deal -- and he already has, with countries other than Ukraine and Israel -- then he should absolutely get one.

[IndigoErth]

Or they could or should rightly reevaluate their criteria, require more post-Obama, and Trump can just be mad about it.

[ToTheNines]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/aug/19/israeli-official-soliciting-minor-las-vegas

Israeli government offical in Las Vegas charged for soliciting sex with a 15 year old girl in a sting operation is released immediately and then allowed to return to Israel.



I wonder why this child sex predator was allowed to escape?

Many such cases apparently: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-jewish-american-pedophiles-hide-from-justice-in-israel/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab4i

[Andrew NDB]

Or they could or should rightly reevaluate their criteria, require more post-Obama, and Trump can just be mad about it.

Ah yes, the modern Democrat playbook. Let's just reevaluate all criteria of everything post-Obama so it hurts the mean man.

[IndigoErth]

Like the republican playbook. Let's just be directly scummy with redistricting everything to our own favor to hurt fair elections. Among other things.

It won't hurt him to not get an award to tell him that he's a special boy, the very superficial reason he wants it.

[Andrew NDB]

Like the republican playbook. Let's just be directly scummy with redistricting everything to our own favor to hurt fair elections.

Democrats are literally the KINGS of that. I'm not sure how they can even threaten to redistrict California after they've already done it like 6 times.

[IMJ]

Yeah. That comment... :lol:

It's pure leftist ethic to rely on word play and redefining to create truth. Literally the lack of integrity via "narrative creation". To spin that in any way as some "ongoing republican tactic" is like.... :lol: basically exactly what you would expect Dems to say base on their socio-manipulative playbook.

:lol: Unreal.

[Andrew NDB]

https://i.ibb.co/G4CSG7PC/538617718-1118184983743845-4800186520496949689-n.jpg

[IndigoErth]

Don't just save a criminal, give him Nobel.

[ToTheNines]

Rumors online that the big guy is dead. I’m monitoring the situation.

[Mayhem]

Rumors online that the big guy is dead. I’m monitoring the situation.
Hmmm? Big guy? God?

[ZariusTwo]

Hmmm? Big guy? God?

He saw what they did to Towlie and thought 'enough'

[Coola Yagami]

Hmmm? Big guy? God?

I mean, he is a god to them.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Rumors online that the big guy is dead. I’m monitoring the situation.

Politically, I hope not. Trump's second administration has been full of broken promises and is hardly right wing but JD Vance, who is a creature created by Peter Thiel, would be even more bought out.

[Autbot_Benz]

Rumors online that the big guy is dead. I’m monitoring the situation.

We can’t be that lucky the big guy is like a cockroach

[IMJ]

It's squashed immediately by a simple "Trump death" search on google. :lol:

[CyberCubed]

J.D. Vance is the worst possible person you'd want as president.

[ToTheNines]

J.D. Vance is the worst possible person you'd want as president.

Seriously. Extremely shady character.

[Mayhem]

It’s not like Trump or Vance are running the show anyhow, it’s Miller.

[Andrew NDB]

What do we not like about Vance, exactly?

[oldmanwinters]

Basically, folks sitting at home making medical diagnoses based on what they see in pictures: https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/breaking-down-rumor-trump-only-013000014.html

But that didn’t stop some bot at MSN.com from generating an article playing into the chatter and observing that nobody has said he isn’t dead, so…

[Daytona]

What’s wrong with Vance exactly?

[Andrew NDB]

Oh yeah, TOTALLY not tons of examples of leftists into some bizarre evil sh**. Ever.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

What’s wrong with Vance exactly?

What do we not like about Vance, exactly?

For me it's the fact that he is the brainchild of Peter Thiel, the nefarious Silicon Valley tycoon behind Palantir.

Plus, this fake ass man was opposed to Trump in 2016 when it was actually a cool and edgy think to do, and MAGA was a legitimate resistance movement against the Swamp.

Vance only began to support Trump when Trump became the establishment deep state candidate, and became part of that very same Swamp he once swore to destroy.

[ToTheNines]

For me it's the fact that he is the brainchild of Peter Thiel, the nefarious Silicon Valley tycoon behind Palantir.

Plus, this fake ass man was opposed to Trump in 2016 when it was actually a cool and edgy think to do, and MAGA was a legitimate resistance movement against the Swamp.

Vance only began to support Trump when Trump became the establishment deep state candidate, and became part of that very same Swamp he once swore to destroy.

Yeah, Thiel (who is probably a murderer, Palantir conspiracies aside) bankrolling his entire political career is highly suspect: https://www.forbes.com/sites/antoniopequenoiv/2024/07/16/jd-vance-and-peter-thiel-what-to-know-about-the-relationship-between-trumps-vp-pick-and-the-billionaire/

His Hollywood connections after his POS book got made into a movie are suspect.

The timing of him being selected for VP, seemingly out of nowhere, almost immediately after the assassination attempt in Butler. Coupled with him being a “never trump guy” not that long ago. Highly suspect.

Everything about that guy screams Deep State. I’ve been very suspicious of the big tech freaks trying to get rid of Trump and get Vance in there ever since Elon started trying to publicly implicate Trump in the Epstein files so aggressively. Something’s up.

Edit: Maybe I’m being a schizo pattern noticer here, but this is also very reminiscent of Reagan/Bush. Rightwing populist and political outsider with a spooked up VP who could never be charismatic enough to win an election on their own merits. Some very strange circumstances around Reagan’s shooting as well…

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQA3VgGGN21g2syddpd_XVOzBdgIFSpk 6Qi2Q&s

[oldmanwinters]

X.com in the “Is Trump Dead” scuttlebutt: https://x.com/i/trending/1961926484849000831

Rightwing populist and political outsider with a spooked up VP who could never be charismatic enough to win an election on their own merits.

Bush 41 did win one though.

[ToTheNines]

Yes, but he won after riding Reagan’s coattails for 8 years. Being the VP of a popular president is a big leg up.

[Daytona]

24 hours ago crazy leftists on twitter actually believe Trump was dead lol.

Now they’re striking back by *checks notes* making jokes and implications wishing he were dead.

Really a deranged group.

[Andrew NDB]

24 hours ago crazy leftists on twitter actually believe Trump was dead lol.

Now they’re striking back by *checks notes* making jokes and implications wishing he were dead.

Really a deranged group.

Yeah, I've been seeing that all day, and those people high-fiving each other in the comments. Some real sick people out there.

[IndigoErth]

You wanna discuss how easily led by Trump the deranged Trumpers are themselves, or no.

Idiots believing anything aren't politically exclusive.

[Andrew NDB]

It exists, of course. But I seldom if ever see the right actively wishing (or fantasizing) death on anybody on the left.

[Andrew NDB]

There were also Biden is dead posts when something similar happened with him, cancelled appearances and a couple of days without being seen.

Absolutely. I just didn't see any of this "... and I REALLY HOPE he is!!!" "Me too!" "YEAH! Me three!" "Maybe if we wish hard enough he'll die?" sentiment during those times.

[Mayhem]

It exists, of course. But I seldom if ever see the right actively wishing (or fantasizing) death on anybody on the left.
Then the analytics are filtering out for you where they aren’t do so much for me… once I get past the inane rants of the likes of Catturd, Laura Looney, and ****er Beagleman, all right wing shills.

[Andrew NDB]

Then the analytics are filtering out for you where they aren’t do so much for me… once I get past the inane rants of the likes of Catturd, Laura Looney, and ****er Beagleman, all right wing shills.

Of those three I only know who Laura Looney is. And I don't see/hear anybody on the right parroting anything from those three. From what I gather Looney is like a smaller version of AOC of the right? Patted on the head at times but nobody serious really advocates them? And literally the only time I see Looney's name come up is when a leftist is ranting about her, that's it.

* edit: I'm just posting this as a "huh, weird" thing. But I have a few friends on FB that are close associates and have been for eons. Like, they know where I stand politically. And they'll daily post stuff exactly like we're talking about with the, "I wish TRUMP was dead!" "Anyone who is into MAGA is a NAZI!" and even "All of TRUMP's followers are STUPID and should be DEAD!" and so on. But then out of the blue they'll still be like, "Hey, what's going on? How are you? What are you doing -- anything I can help with?" What is that? I have a theory. They don't actually believe or want the things they say to happen... they're just dancing to a tune they think they're supposed to do in public.

[Daytona]

Absolutely. I just didn't see any of this "... and I REALLY HOPE he is!!!" "Me too!" "YEAH! Me three!" "Maybe if we wish hard enough he'll die?" sentiment during those times.

This did not exist on any comparable scale whatsoever - correct. If you look on Reddit it’s just a beehive of people saying they wish he was dead in the sickest way they can muster. Pretty sure Reddit is mostly bots now though

[KaraiLover09]

* edit: I'm just posting this as a "huh, weird" thing. But I have a few friends on FB that are close associates and have been for eons. Like, they know where I stand politically. And they'll daily post stuff exactly like we're talking about with the, "I wish TRUMP was dead!" "Anyone who is into MAGA is a NAZI!" and even "All of TRUMP's followers are STUPID and should be DEAD!" and so on. But then out of the blue they'll still be like, "Hey, what's going on? How are you? What are you doing -- anything I can help with?" What is that? I have a theory. They don't actually believe or want the things they say to happen... they're just dancing to a tune they think they're supposed to do in public.

I'd say it's a case of them so busy yelling out 'I want Trump dead' that they forget they have friends that support him. I've seen people on Facebook post anti-gay comments despite having gay family members they were apparently cool with.

I remember hearing the conspiracies that Biden was dead and we were seeing a double. Conspiracies and what ifs, but not actual wishes or cries for his death.

People have been wishing death on Trump since that one lady was holding up a 'decapitated Trump head' during the 2016 run.

**** Joe Biden VS I wish that sniper didn't miss.

[Barkworm]

For me it's the fact that he is the brainchild of Peter Thiel, the nefarious Silicon Valley tycoon behind Palantir.
Yeah, Thiel (who is probably a murderer, Palantir conspiracies aside) bankrolling his entire political career is highly suspect: https://www.forbes.com/sites/antoniopequenoiv/2024/07/16/jd-vance-and-peter-thiel-what-to-know-about-the-relationship-between-trumps-vp-pick-and-the-billionaire/


This is great, more and more people need to raise awareness about Peter Thiel's evil worldwide schemes!

I didn't know about the murder allegations though, could you point me to any non-social media source?

[IndigoErth]

they're just dancing to a tune they think they're supposed to do in public.

I don't know these people, so maybe they are. But I'd wager that many people are just really inclined to vocally speak their mind on what they're feeling the moment they're feeling it and vent about it, even if it's not meant literally. I don't buy into the line of thinking that most are just doing something "they think they're supposed to" for the public, that's silly.


And they'll daily post stuff exactly like we're talking about... But then out of the blue they'll still be like, "Hey, what's going on?

Er, that flip is a thing many normal human beings do when they don't see their relationships with other people in entirely black and white terms. They can disagree on some subjects, esp the ones that cause arguments like politics, but still like someone they associate with for other good valid reasons.

It's what people do (or try to) at family get togethers when they avoid talking politics, religion, or rival sports teams (unless maybe they've got a "just friendly banter" thing set in stone), because they otherwise still like the person sitting across from them at the dinner table. Even while they openly share those thoughts with FB, where it's probably not a 1-on-1 interaction with that (or maybe not any) specific person.

If people are literally yelling that someone should die, screaming stupid absurd stuff about "the libs," etc. no holds barred, then yeah, I'd 100% agree they should probably dial it back AND consider their audience. FB DOES have the option to set who sees individual comments and people need to learn to use it.

But that suggestion would prob make some others start yelling about the suggestion they should self-censor their own free speech and something something "sensitive snowflakes."

[oldmanwinters]

There were also Biden is dead posts when something similar happened with him, cancelled appearances and a couple of days without being seen. That's just what happens when you reach 80 years old, you can go at any moment for any reason.

Absolutely. I just didn't see any of this "... and I REALLY HOPE he is!!!" "Me too!" "YEAH! Me three!" "Maybe if we wish hard enough he'll die?" sentiment during those times.

I never wished any ill on Biden (he already had enough Jill to deal with) especially as a sitting president. I’ll confess I thought he might die in office, and when he tanked that early 2025 debate, I was convinced the DNC machine would actually find a way to prematurely axe him in order to install Kalama as a Trial President to boost her own campaign. But I’m grateful that didn’t happen, Biden finished his term (maybe even voted for Trump?) and Harris didn’t end up president.

I don’t wake up or fall asleep with politicians or elected officials on my mind, and I don’t think any sane person should, aside from praying for them and their stewardship responsibilities, regardless of affiliation.

[Mayhem]

Of those three I only know who Laura Looney is. And I don't see/hear anybody on the right parroting anything from those three. From what I gather Looney is like a smaller version of AOC of the right? Patted on the head at times but nobody serious really advocates them? And literally the only time I see Looney's name come up is when a leftist is ranting about her, that's it.
Looney isn’t even an elected official, unlike AoC, just believes herself to be an influencer and touts herself as Trump’s unofficial dick sucker fan #1. She criticises MAGA plenty on top but never him.

Catturd and ****er Beagleman are two other mega posting paid right wing shills on X, not bots. Speaking of which…

Pretty sure Reddit is mostly bots now though
You can argue the same about X too,

I'd say it's a case of them so busy yelling out 'I want Trump dead' that they forget they have friends that support him.
One difference I’ll say is, at no point of me being critical of Biden did anyone in my friends list who sit on the left unfriend and block me. Some were critical of him too. Trump on the other hand, two full on MAGA supporters cussed me out and blocked me for daring to criticise their orange false god. That’s the flip, they can dish it out but they can’t take it.

[ToTheNines]

Are you talking about Laura Loomer and Tucker?

Catturd sucks lol. I also hate DCdraino. REALLY hate Benny Johnson. Bleh

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Looney isn’t even an elected official, unlike AoC, just believes herself to be an influencer and touts herself as Trump’s unofficial dick sucker fan #1. She criticises MAGA plenty on top but never him.


Laura Loomer is one of the most mentally unstable people I've ever seen online, and I feel like I am insulting people with mental health issues when I say that.

Her level of sycophancy for Trump knows no bounds, and I have never seen her criticise him directly even when he is very clearly betraying America First and MAGA which as an idea should not be conflated with Trump himself who is a very, very flawed individual.

While one should be thankful that she doesn't have an offical position on the White House (probably because she is too crazy even for the administration), but her level of influence on Trump is worrying as their decisions on personell seem to be directly correlated with Loomer's investigative "journalism".

[Andrew NDB]

Are you talking about Laura Loomer and Tucker?

Catturd sucks lol. I also hate DCdraino. REALLY hate Benny Johnson. Bleh

I've seen a little Benny. He seems very... manufactured.

[ToTheNines]

This is great, more and more people need to raise awareness about Peter Thiel's evil worldwide schemes!

I didn't know about the murder allegations though, could you point me to any non-social media source?

It’s entirely possible that I fell for some sensational journalism, but his late boyfriend Jeff Thomas (not his husband) fell to his death shortly after having a public spat with Thiel.

I’ll keep digging, because I remember reading a compelling case for some foul play being possible.

Regardless, the dude is sketch city and Palantir is everything republicans should hate.

[ToTheNines]

I've seen a little Benny. He seems very... manufactured.

Something about him just triggers me lol. He’s probably a psyop.

[Mayhem]

Are you talking about Laura Loomer and Tucker?

Catturd sucks lol. I also hate DCdraino. REALLY hate Benny Johnson. Bleh
Forgot about DCdraino. Also LibsOfTiktok (which despite the name is another right wing mouthpiece). In fact eight of the top ten most prolific posters on X are all hard right wing spouters. Plus Elon himself.

[Coola Yagami]

Forgot about DCdraino. Also LibsOfTiktok (which despite the name is another right wing mouthpiece). In fact eight of the top ten most prolific posters on X are all hard right wing spouters. Plus Elon himself.

The Libs of TikTok pretty much repost all the crazy **** Libs post on TikTok. It pisses off the Libs cause they hate seeing themselves in the mirror.

In their case it's pretty much 'why you so angry, this is literally stuff YOU said'.

[ToTheNines]

That’s how the account started, but she got into posting/retweeting crazy stuff once she gained a following.

[IndigoErth]

How how 'bout them Kennedy grillings...? What I saw of it was kind of wild.

dgpSNtwaGDY

[Mayhem]

Florida removes vaccine mandates? Welcome to epidemic ground zero folks…

[IMJ]

Florida removes vaccine mandates? Welcome to epidemic ground zero folks…

You are being hyperbolic. All this does is instill "choice as a matter of record". People will still take vaccines for proven outcomes at the recommendations of doctors.

Your comment there is just more evidence as to how you view the world and not how the world operates.

[IndigoErth]

Florida removes vaccine mandates? Welcome to epidemic ground zero folks…

Florida: "Hey kids! Doesn't Polio sound fun??"



Some of the stuff out of this guy's mouth was either straight out lies or he really absolutely and shamefully has ZERO clue what is going on.

"Most Americans will be able to get it [Covid vaccine] from their pharmacy for free."

Untrue. Locals were already reporting early this week that now they CAN NOT walk into those establishments and choose to get the vaccine unless they are over 65 or have a listed underlying condition. Seems to be true of quite a few states. Some other states are allowing it, but only with a prescription and may still depend on age.

No one need to feel pressured these days to get it, thank goodness, but that someone can't voluntarily choose to go to a pharmacy to get it is unreal.


And this one the other video didn't even include...

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[Andrew NDB]

"Most Americans will be able to get it [Covid vaccine] from their pharmacy for free."

Untrue. Locals were already reporting early this week that now they CAN NOT walk into those establishments and choose to get the vaccine unless they are over 65 or have a listed underlying condition.

OK. If true, in other words the only people who would possibly NEED a COVID vaccine can get one for free.

[Mayhem]

People will still take vaccines for proven outcomes at the recommendations of doctors.
Your faith in people I fear is sadly misplaced. Vaccines work better with herd immunity. As in, the more people take it, the less likely you’ll suffer should you actually contract the illness.

I’ll be waiting for the first lawsuits from parents whose children that are vaccinated still get blatted by life altering complications from contracting a more virulent form of a disease from a child who is not.

[IndigoErth]

OK. If true, in other words the only people who would possibly NEED a COVID vaccine can get one for free.

Viruses aren't selective so no, not really, anyone who wants to get one that has been approved and made available should be able to.

[ToTheNines]

Wait is this project 2025?

[Andrew NDB]

Viruses aren't selective so no, not really, anyone who wants to get one that has been approved and made available should be able to.

But if you don't NEED one for a virus you MIGHT get that isn't going to kill you and will just give you a headache for a week or so, we should all pay for that? People have always had to pay for flu shots, why should this be any different?

[IndigoErth]

People have always had to pay for flu shots, why should this be any different?
Really? Shame for you. Because every fall and winter I see local chain pharmacies with their "free flu shots" signs up.


I've never had a headache from a shot. The Covid one did make my upper arm VERY sore and stiff for some days, but that was it.

I have no intention of getting it, because I'm otherwise a chicken and avoid needles, but it's still stupid that they're limiting access from people who WANT it. Thing is, even if someone would likely be fine without it themselves, there's that one thing that people continue to ignore -- sometimes people live with someone who has a compromised immune system, including some who may not able to get it for themselves, and they get vaccines to avoid bringing these viruses home. That person who wants to help try to protect that loved one is blocked from it because they bodily do not have a "need."

My heart goes out to those who have a kid fighting cancer or something and they worry what they might take home or into the hospital to that kid, and even just as a precaution the parents now don't quality.

[Andrew NDB]

Really? Shame for you. Because every fall and winter I see local chain pharmacies with their "free flu shots" signs up.

That's true. I've seen those from time to time from various places.

I've never had a headache from a shot.

I mostly mean the effects of COVID itself. It was like a consistent, nagging sinus headache the two, possibly three times I've had it. For me personally, which seems an anomaly, is the SNEEZING. Constantly sneezing my brains out. I didn't expect that. Particular as an enjoyer of cigarettes, I far more expected some kind of devastating terrible coughing frenzy but not at all. So annoying, but nothing*.

*: I don't dismiss that the original strain was a bit more dangerous. But after that, we were out of the woods.

I have no intention of getting it, because I'm otherwise a chicken and avoid needles, but it's still stupid that they're limiting access from people who WANT it.

Hey, I appreciate your clarity there. But... I want a ferrari. Should I get it?

Thing is, even if someone would likely be fine without it themselves, there's that one thing that people continue to ignore -- sometimes people live with someone who has a compromised immune system, including some who may not able to get it for themselves, and they get vaccines to avoid bringing these viruses home. That person who wants to help try to protect that loved one is blocked from it because they bodily do not have a "need."

We've long ruled out "if I get the COVID vax, I can't transmit it." That was a fake thing. Also, that if you get the COVID vax you won't get it. You'll still get it, it just -- arguably -- might be a bit milder. You're a little behind in this regard.

[Stu_Padasso]

Wait is this project 2025?

In three months, you are going to DIE!

Or so I’m told.

I don’t even know know if it’s gonna rain tomorrow.

[IMJ]

In three months, you are going to DIE!

Or so I’m told.

I don’t even know know if it’s gonna rain tomorrow.

There's an ongoing list from the "people of the Technodrome forums" of all of the horrific things that will unfold from the continued policies of Trump's administration.

So far the only "prediction" that has held true is that woke $#!( followed the standard societal curve of stupidity and social-onboarding and has trended down rapidly.

[Coola Yagami]

Your faith in people I fear is sadly misplaced. Vaccines work better with herd immunity. As in, the more people take it, the less likely you’ll suffer should you actually contract the illness.



Nonsense. That's pretty much saying getting the vaccine is worthless unless the guy standing next to you also took it. I don't think that's how the classic vaccines worked before the CoVid one was introduced.

[Andrew NDB]

Nonsense. That's pretty much saying getting the vaccine is worthless unless the guy standing next to you also took it. I don't think that's how the classic vaccines worked before the CoVid one was introduced.

Or even when they went to the trouble of changing the definition of "vaccine" for the COViD one.

[Coola Yagami]

Or even when they went to the trouble of changing the definition of "vaccine" for the COViD one.

Yes! Exactly that. Even going as far as editing wikipedia and Webster's dictionary and whatever else to change the definition just so whatever that concoction was also counted as one.

The CoVid years was full of all sorts of trickery and gaslighting.

[IMJ]

Like I said, the left relies on hyperbole, and the better the center and the right do acting in comprehension and normalcy, the more the left will fallback on hyperbole projected to an increasingly diminished audience. People will be just fine choosing their vaccinations, and most will choose proven vaccines and continue forward.

The CoVid years was full of all sorts of trickery and gaslighting.

COVID gave society's unstable people, clearly mostly aligned to "leftist processes", another 'faction to rally against'.

[ToTheNines]

So far the only "prediction" that has held true is that woke $#!( followed the standard societal curve of stupidity and social-onboarding and has trended down rapidly.

This has been kind of interesting. Entertainment in general, and comedy in particular, were ****ing insufferable in 2016. Things have definitely chilled out in that regard.

[IMJ]

This has been kind of interesting. Entertainment in general, and comedy in particular, were ****ing insufferable in 2016. Things have definitely chilled out in that regard.

I've said it over the years to the some of the forum bugs who felt empowered by the insanity - society is a slow ship to steer and people get on board easily for "virtue" and lack of true recognition of a pattern. But it all operates on a curve and when it drops off it's going to be harsh and fast.

And of course, when I said it the forum bugs basically bugged up, as they do.

[Coola Yagami]

We've long ruled out "if I get the COVID vax, I can't transmit it." That was a fake thing. Also, that if you get the COVID vax you won't get it. You'll still get it, it just -- arguably -- might be a bit milder. You're a little behind in this regard.

I remember cases of events in buildings with strict 'only vaccinated people allowed' rules and cruises with only vaccinated people allowed, and yet the people still caught CoVid. Blew that whole lie out of the water.

Also I know Trump lies every other word, but President Biden said on live TV if you get the shot you won't catch CoVid, and everyone just let that lie slide. Sure, Biden isn't a medical professional, but ideally we're supposed to trut the president, aren't we?

Let's also not forget Biden and all his 'my patience is wearing thin' and 'winter of death' type threats if you didn't get the jab.

2021 was a shitshow.

[IMJ]

Preliminary talks about needing "vaccine I.D." to get into places and to travel.... Public shaming for anyone not playing by the playbook... Public threats and meltdowns over "perceived dissidence" to socially-pushed "policy".
All pushed by leftist mania. All elements of fascism.

[Coola Yagami]

Preliminary talks about needing "vaccine I.D." to get into places and to travel....
All pushed by leftist mania. All elements of fascism.

Trying to enforce a two-tier society between vaxxed and non-vaxxed, wishing death upon the unvaxxed 'just round em up and shoot em all' and it was 'funny' because it was the left saying it.

I forgot which late night talk show host someone got away with joking about 'y'know, maybe the Germans had the right idea' and no one really batted an eye. Now if some openly MAGA supporter made a similar joke....

[Stu_Padasso]

There's an ongoing list from the "people of the Technodrome forums" of all of the horrific things that will unfold from the continued policies of Trump's administration.

If there’s anything I’ve learned from the past including the pandemic, is that the real world isn’t a computer model despite what the “The Matrix is real and we’re living in a simulation” conspiracy theorist believe. People aren’t figures in a spreadsheet, they’re individuals with their own hopes, dreams and motivations. These were variables that some in the “Expert Class” who were intoxicated on their own farts couldn’t understand.

I have a cousin who is a meteorologist in Minnesota. Smart guy but he couldn’t honestly tell me for certain what the weather was going to be next weekend or find his @$$hole with a map.

But still, watch for patterns. Do you live where tornadoes are common? Do you watch how an aggravated drunk guy approaches you? A family member or someone in a position of authority try to gaslight you? Or influence your behavior with the threat of force? Does the Government arrest comedians or those with unpopular opinions?

Prepare accordingly.

Do I trust Trump? Hell no. He’s too much of a performance artist. I would have much preferred someone like Rand Paul. Senator Paul is too boring and authentic for our ADHD society. But you do with what you have.

The good news is that people are waking up.

[ToTheNines]

Do I trust Trump? Hell no. He’s too much of a performance artist. I would have much preferred someone like Rand Paul. Senator Paul is too boring and authentic for our ADHD society. But you do with what you have.

The good news is that people are waking up.

Thomas Massie might be the only person in Congress that I have any respect for. Seems like he’s been picking up steam lately, but that might just be my algorithm.

[IMJ]

If there’s anything I’ve learned from the past including the pandemic, is that the real world isn’t a computer model despite what the “The Matrix is real and we’re living in a simulation” conspiracy theorist believe. People aren’t figures in a spreadsheet, they’re individuals with their own hopes, dreams and motivations. These were variables that some in the “Expert Class” who were intoxicated on their own farts couldn’t understand

I think the "human like understanding of others having their own hopes and dreams" as a reflection of personality diminishes or enhances very quickly depending on behavior. And I'd also argue that is a categorical societal-fact and not an opinion.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

I'm definetly a pro-vaccine person, I find the "vaccines are like Nazi experiments" theories to be cringe and I think they're an important part of civilised society.

However with that being said, the pushback against the Mandates has been huge to say the least, and there comes a point where the cost of backing people in a corner results in backlash that only spreads anti-vaccine attitudes much more than any freedom of choice would.

My two cents from a conspiracy angle is that maybe the anti-vaccine movement is not as anti-government as one might think. We know for a fact that the US government funded anti-vaccine misinformation in the Phillipenes to one-up China, is it really a stretch to assume they have funded similar things in their own country to spread fear, division and distrust?

[Daytona]

Left being pro-crime this blatantly feels like an endgame for that line of politics. Wild to see.

[IMJ]

Left being pro-crime this blatantly feels like an endgame for that line of politics. Wild to see.

The left has always been "pro-crime". They just wrapped it up for the average idiot to believe that it wasn't "pro-crime" but rather "diversity support".

The right told society's children that their behavior was inappropriate, and so society's children would rather be told that their behavior was "the summer of love". Children don't like being told they are wrong.

Everyone knows what's really going on in all of these situations. Everyone.

[Daytona]

Yeah but I just mean this blatantly. This is the type of scenario that could even have your neighbor, who’s diet of politics is 30 mins of legacy media a week, turning their head and going “huh?” Because there’s enough residents of these towns vocally approving the cleanup efforts.

The left are getting sloppy with this crap is my point. Very sloppy.

[IMJ]

I'm anti crime but also anti lockdown, because then it really feels like a police state in control. Not sure Chicago is going to react well to that...


Been happening for centuries, but it's more overt than it used to be. If you feel offended by it, maybe you're one of the targets they are poking fun at?

Don't believe the hype. Any actual "bad mf'ers" in Chicago wouldn't go near a Federal engagement. The biggest problem Chicago has are low-level $#!(bags running around the streets thinking that they are "gangstas" in a $#!( culture that glorifies "murder" the way that normal kids think Superman is cool and want to be him.

Don't get me wrong - you could put together a huge mob of retaliation from Chicago's population; but it would be 99% comprised of scum-kid between 14 and 29 thinking this is their chance to prove themselves to the streets and they'd all wind up jailed or dead from it. And don't get me wrong about the "scum-kids" either - because that's exactly the level of stupid who goes out and shoots people for clout. Everything you see about these people on Tik Tok is true - it's all social evidence.

The people who are the problem-people of Chicago have a culture that is very much like a giant prison, or even like a giant school stalled out at 8th grade. Basically posturing small-frys who are a bigger problem than any of the big dogs because the small-frys go out and do any dumb $#!( for "culture clout" whereas the bigger guys do hardcore crime and then lay lower in the streets. Both are scum $#!( though, obviously.

There's a..... cross section of the population in Chicago that will say things like "Chicago be built different, if the Feds come up in here they gonna learn". And that's exactly the kind of clown living in the Racine Ave echo-chamber who has no exposure to anything but "the culture" they are in. They'd go down first, fast and hard against government action. Basically the criminals in Chicago think they are that bad because they commit and run and get away. Not because they've "overcome" like supervillains. But then the cry in court with sniffling noses when they are tried as adults for murder.

Also, Illinois' pathetic liberal-leadership is doing what the left does - lies and narrative creation designed to push the peasant-thinker into action. As usual. But I can't imagine how f'n dumb Brandon Johnson is to sit there and tell people to "rise up against the invasion" as if what? He's some patriot and people will follow him? Him, Pritzker, and Newsom are like 3 comic book villain-underlings serving some Nancy Pelosi mastermind. F'n clown show.

[Coola Yagami]

Also, Illinois' pathetic liberal-leadership is doing what the left does - lies and narrative creation designed to push the peasant-thinker into action. As usual. But I can't imagine how f'n dumb Brandon Johnson is to sit there and tell people to "rise up against the invasion" as if what? He's some patriot and people will follow him? Him, Pritzker, and Newsom are like 3 comic book villain-underlings serving some Nancy Pelosi mastermind. F'n clown show.

Yep. Murder capital of the US and overrun with gangs, but hey let's turn a blind eye to all that and focus more on making sure grade schools got transgendered bathrooms.

[Mayhem]

Yep. Murder capital of the US and overrun with gangs, but hey let's turn a blind eye to all that and focus more on making sure grade schools got transgendered bathrooms.
I'd debate the former, Chicago ranks down the list compared to the likes of Baltimore, New Orleans, Detroit, and Cleveland. Even Vegas has a higher rate of murder than Chicago.

[ToTheNines]

Baltimore’s fine. I work there all time, take my kid to the aquarium, go to shows at various venues late at night.

There’s definitely some rough areas, but just don’t go there. The city on the whole is not “crime infested”.

[Barkworm]

My uneducated opinion of Baltimore is fully based on the fact that 'The Wire' is my favourite TV show of all time so of course it is 'Bodymore, Murderland'.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Charlie Kirk shot.

Regardless of your opinion of him, this is messed up.

[Andrew NDB]

Charlie Kirk shot.

Daaamn.

Like I said, some really sick people out there.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

I was already disgusted by the killing of the Ukranian Refugee and now this happened.

There is something seriously wrong with the society which need addressing.

[Andrew NDB]

And Charlie Kirk is dead now.

[Zachatello00]

Man... I can't believe this.

[Mayhem]

Alanis Morrisette irony after blaming blacks for gun violence and that he was just discussing mass shootings at that exact moment. Shooter still at large despite the reports about people being arrested.

Anti Democrat hate all over social media unsurprisingly even though we know nothing about who did it. More likely to be white, Mormon and/or Republican given this is Utah, one of the reddest states in the country.

[ToTheNines]

Incredibly grim. Rough way to go. Two young kids at home. Was never a fan of his, but very sad to see something like this.

What’s the scoop on the shooter?

[Andrew NDB]

What’s the scoop on the shooter?

Nothing really known or released yet. All we know and have seen is that the shooter fired just a few seconds after he was asked about transgender mass shooters. That might be nothing or it might be something.

[Andrew NDB]

Obviously a lot of leftists are outing themselves en masse as some pretty sick f***s right now. And while better, it's still sickening the posts I'm seeing about, "Weeeeeeeelll.... um.... ahhh.... well, I DO feel bad for his wife and kids!" As if that's something nice to say.

Just say nothing at all, at that point, if that's all you've got.

[ToTheNines]

Beyond libs showing their asses, stuff like this always makes me so sick that an individual would reach such a point of desperation and throw their life away just to kill some innocent civilians, or in this case a fuc*ing podcaster.

All the depraved villains in government just openly plundering our country, r*ping our children, flaunting how the constitution or any other laws just don’t apply to them… and to just go and off a pundit?

All this tough-guy Don’t Tread on Me talk, but government crooks go untouched while regular ass people get blown away. Idiotic.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

We always knew you were a leftist FWL, you just outed yourself.

You finally exposed me, I was indeed the Far-Left Peasent-Feeler all along!

[ToTheNines]

Nothing really known or released yet. All we know and have seen is that the shooter fired just a few seconds after he was asked about transgender mass shooters. That might be nothing or it might be something.

Came from a far away rooftop. Shooter still at large, apparently.

[Andrew NDB]

Came from a far away rooftop. Shooter still at large, apparently.

They were arrested within the past hour.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/what-we-know-charlie-kirk-shooting-utah-valley-university

[Mayhem]

Kash has said a person of interest is in custody. Doesn't overtly say THE shooter however.

Utah Governor Spencer Cox called for Americans to stop "hating" each other
About the only thing said so far I've seen I agree with.

[Mad Dog McMutt]

I didn't bother reading the news today so this is the first I am hearing about this. I never liked the guy at all, but he didn't deserve to be shot just for being very vocal about his opinions.

[ToTheNines]

They were arrested within the past hour.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/what-we-know-charlie-kirk-shooting-utah-valley-university

Kash has said a person of interest is in custody. Doesn't overtly say THE shooter however.


About the only thing said so far I've seen I agree with.

I believe that liar about as far as I can throw him.

[Andrew NDB]

Yeah, both persons of interests were released. The manhunt is on.

[ToTheNines]

This is one of the two “subjects”: https://www.sltrib.com/news/2025/09/10/george-zinn-what-we-know-about-man/

[Autbot_Benz]

Mayhem called it

They've caught him. Tyler Robinson, in his 20s, comes from a republican family. White.

Bullets did have carvings, but it was pretty kindergarten, "catch fascist" and "if you read this, you're gay"

[Andrew NDB]

Mayhem called it

He didn't call anything. Republican parents means he MUST be a republican?

[ToTheNines]

Right. Embarrassing. Give it up.

[Mayhem]

We don’t know. Maybe. I can state given I’ve seen enough dislike of MAGA from some on the right that you don’t have to be left wing to be anti fascist. The truth may come out in the wash. Or like Oswald, he gets off’ed before trial

[Andrew NDB]

Of course, we'll see. After all, only straight parents have straight kids, and gay parents have gay children. That's the way it works, right?

[Mayhem]

He wasn’t registered with either party so yes, people will continue to speculate. He is more likely right but could be left. Most of the clues show internet culture. And he didn’t like Kirk. And he dressed as Trump for Halloween. And loved guns. And was only caught because his family turned him in. But MAGA will continue to spin like they know for sure

[Jester]

My grandparents (on my dad's side) were Democrats.
My parents are Republicans.
I'm a moderate Independent.

Just saying.

[The Deadman]

Baltimore’s fine. I work there all time, take my kid to the aquarium, go to shows at various venues late at night.

There’s definitely some rough areas, but just don’t go there. The city on the whole is not “crime infested”.

Its definitely not a city on the rise at the same time though, and this is coming from someone who lives in Baltimore but refuses to go into the city without a bunch of people at night. Years of corruption from mayors and the only parts you DO see of the city being from West Baltimore have a lot to do with being placed on that list.

[Nickokapo]

Charlie Kirk shot.

Regardless of your opinion of him, this is messed up.
Yeah...i saw the uncensored video of it, on a site that starts with the letter Y and has a lot of trashy comments.
It's screwed up...

[Mayhem]

Trump filed the NYT suit as himself. Meaning to prove it, he has to release his files in a deposition and can’t claim immunity because he’s not doing it as President. I suspect when he realises he will drop the suit…

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DOrxtXQDz9F/?igsh=MTRkbW42OW1pdDYzaw==

[Andrew NDB]

Trump filed the NYT suit as himself. Meaning to prove it, he has to release his files in a deposition and can’t claim immunity because he’s not doing it as President. I suspect when he realises he will drop the suit…

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DOrxtXQDz9F/?igsh=MTRkbW42OW1pdDYzaw==

Yes yes, of course it's him personally doing this. This wasn't in any way done in concert with his lawyers who wouldn't have advised him any of this at all in advance. Nope. This is all going to blow up in his face for sure as it always does.

:roll:

[Mayhem]

You obviously haven’t read the news report or watched the video. The complaint has been listed with him as an individual as the filing party. Yes, I’m sure his lawyers did it, that’s not what I’m commenting on here :roll: but it’s not listed as a company, or the President etc… so anything he may reveal during the case that could incriminate him can’t be waved away with Presidential immunity. That’s the crux of the observation.

[Andrew NDB]

It's a stupid observation, implying his lawyers just missed that entirely. These are Trump's lawyers, not like some public defenders that just "oops!" missed something like that.

[Nickokapo]

Speaking of Mr.Trump
What happened with Hayden Davis? n.n,
The last i read, he got away with the whole $LIBRA memecoin rugpull stupid thing or something...
I mostly follow these by a youtuber called Coffeezilla.

in the sense of american politic, he is involved with melania coin... (At least, that's what he's saying himself...i'd be wary to trust or believe anything the guy says without a second take however, even if it's "the water is wet".)

Edit: (The Mr.Trump did have a memecoin of his own, but i don't think Davis Hayden is associated with that one, AFAIK at least.)

[Mayhem]

Trump designates Antifa a terrorist organisation. Except it’s an ideal and a belief not a defined group, so good luck prosecuting there. Until they start labelling anyone who criticises the Government as antifa… which then proves the government is fascist.

[ToTheNines]

Yeah seems pretty stupid. Antifa hasn’t been a thing in forever. This doesn’t seem to accomplish anything.

[Coola Yagami]

Until they start labelling anyone who criticizes the Government as antifa… which then proves the government is fascist.

You might be on to something there.

[Andrew NDB]

"Remember that time when all that good stuff happened at the Antifa protest/riot, and all the good stuff that came from it?" <---- said nobody, ever.

[Coola Yagami]

"Remember that time when all that good stuff happened at the Antifa protest/riot, and all the good stuff that came from it?" <---- said nobody, ever.

I think the issue isn't so much what Antifa does, but moreso that it's a movement and there's no real leader. Sure they can break up a riot and capture whoever headed that particular riot, but there is no one guy calling the shots that they can take down to break the whole movement apart.

[ToTheNines]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G1GFO7SW0AEdq7-?format=jpg&name=medium

[FredWolfLeonardo]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/18/us-seeking-to-regain-control-of-afghanistans-bagram-airbase-says-trump

Trump seeking to regain control of airbase in Afghanistan.

This President just sucks man.

[Andrew NDB]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/18/us-seeking-to-regain-control-of-afghanistans-bagram-airbase-says-trump

Trump seeking to regain control of airbase in Afghanistan.

This President just sucks man.

To score a tactical advantage against China? I mean, OK, I guess. We don't want that?

[FredWolfLeonardo]

To score a tactical advantage against China? I mean, OK, I guess. We don't want that?

We live in totally different worlds but I wouldn't antagonise China in the first place. Leave them alone and stay out of their backyard.

[Andrew NDB]

We live in totally different worlds but I wouldn't antagonise China in the first place. Leave them alone and stay out of their backyard.

It's not about antagonizing them as much as it is giving them a little reminder we have an "in" at their doorstep. Should they ever get out of pocket. If they don't, nothing to worry about.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Yeah, no. America has no business being around the doorstep of a country which is not going to attack them.

And good luck getting the Taliban to agree to that stupid air base.

[Stu_Padasso]

We live in totally different worlds but I wouldn't antagonise China in the first place. Leave them alone and stay out of their backyard.

I don’t want to antagonize China, either. To live and let live and to engage in commerce and other mutually beneficial relationships.

Unfortunately, the CCP doesn’t share the mindset that you or I might have. Look up the Belt and Road Initiative or their activities in colleges and the media. They don’t have any qualms about playing in other countries backyards, including ours.

In principle I’m a staunch nonintervention libertarian, but it requires reciprocity to work. I want to play nice, they don’t. Act accordingly.

Yeah, no. America has no business being around the doorstep of a country which is not going to attack them.

They already have. War is not always about bombs and bullets.

[Andrew NDB]

For real. We're talking about (re) setting up in Afghanistan. China has been buying up farmland by the truckload actually IN the US and apparently mostly by military sites and air traffic lanes.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Who let them buy that farmland?

I'm interested in hearing about what influence China has on American Colleges and Media as has been suggested. Is there a Shady Chinese Cabal in your country that will destroy your life if you criticise them and force America to send billions in China's direction?

[Mayhem]

The theory is… if you’ve ever watched Inception, imagine shell companies instead of dreams, and right at the centre is a Chinese corporation. So the people selling the land have no idea that eventually the owners are Chinese.

[Mayhem]

Vance being a hypocrite as always…

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DOwLwiIkdfV/?igsh=MWEyc3hrdnJlanZ3ag==

[Barkworm]

It's a stupid observation, implying his lawyers just missed that entirely. These are Trump's lawyers, not like some public defenders that just "oops!" missed something like that.
Apparently, they 'oops' missed to contain a short statement of the claim so the complaint was dismissed as 'improper'.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/19/business/media/trump-new-york-times-lawsuit.html

Of course, the New York Times has been taking advantage of Trump's shenanigans since day 1 to get more readers but as far as quality journalism is concerned, they are still an excellent news outlet. Suing them is just another pathetic attempt to restrict press freedom.

[Coola Yagami]

It's surprising to expect anything competent from Trump, including his choice in lawyers. Saying 'these are Trump's lawyers' as if that means anything.

[Andrew NDB]

I agree the lawsuit is silly but hey, it doesn't hurt to try. Anyone can really try to sue anyone for anything, as I've always said. And it's not like folks haven't launched even sillier lawsuits against him in recent memory.

It's surprising to expect anything competent from Trump, including his choice in lawyers. Saying 'these are Trump's lawyers' as if that means anything.

Even if we're to assume Trump is a super bad guy, a megalomanical cunning threat (or is he a dumb nincompoop this week? they can't decide which but it can't be both)... he has money. One thing those types do is they get the best lawyers money can buy, no? Why wouldn't he?

And the nature of the practice of law can be fickle. You can have the crack-hardened best lawyers in the world and present the best case forward in the most correct, best way possible. But... you catch the wrong judge on the wrong day, or who feels a certain way about the case, or the defendant, or the plaintiff, or anything really at all and it all goes out the window. This isn't like profound thinking.

[Mayhem]

In light of this particular lawsuit dismissal, I’ve seen several talking head type pieces note that Trump doesn’t expect to win the lawsuits per se, it’s just an indication that he can and will file them when he so chooses to do so, and get his base to then follow up. Weird how similar publications in different regions all had the same angle.


Similarly Trump’s lawsuit against the Times was never intended to succeed in court; it didn’t even make a token effort to demonstrate the newspaper told conscious untruths with “actual malice,” the First Amendment standard for defamation suits by public figures. But by putting the broad accusation and a vast claim of damages out there, Team Trump hoped to rouse supporters to take their own actions against the Times, to put the Times on notice that worse things are to come, and perhaps to pave the way for the sort of shakedowns the president has deftly executed against CBS and ABC.

Beyond that, the Times lawsuit was a reminder that the president has for many years earned a reputation as the king of frivolous lawsuits. Back in 2016 when he was first running for president, USA Today did an inventory of lawsuits filed by Trump and his businesses and identified 4,095 of them. In a 2020 book on Trump’s incredibly long and active history of litigation, former prosecutor James D. Zirin captures his M.O. succinctly:

Trump learned how to use the law from his mentor, notorious lawyer Roy Cohn. Trump took Cohn’s scorched-earth strategy to heart.

“Trump saw litigation as being only about winning,” Zirin writes. “He sued at the drop of a hat. He sued for sport; he sued to achieve control; and he sued to make a point. He sued as a means of destroying or silencing those who crossed him. He became a plaintiff in chief.”
It was a source of bitter amusement in the legal community when Trump framed his aggressive 2025 shakedown of white-shoe law firms for free legal work as an attack on “frivolous lawsuits.” It was an incredible example of a pot calling the kettle black.

So the president won’t be the least bit deterred or dismayed by the dismissal of his giant suit against the Times or by the mockery it invited. This is who he is and what he does.

[member_removed]

Even if we're to assume Trump is a super bad guy, a megalomanical cunning threat (or is he a dumb nincompoop this week? they can't decide which but it can't be both)...

Just like insert (Biden Crime Lord/Dementing Sleepy Joe) here.

Every accusation is an admission.

[Mayhem]

Trump raises H1B visa cost to $100k. This isn’t going to go the way he thinks it’s going to go…

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm2zk4l8g26o

[FredWolfLeonardo]

If Afghanistan doesn’t give Bagram Airbase back to those that built it, the United States of America, BAD THINGS ARE GOING TO HAPPEN!!! President DJT

Maybe Kamala wasn't so bad after all?

This presidency is absolute dogs*it so far. This old fart will be remembered for:

1. No Mass deportations of illegals.
2. Ukraine War still ongoing despite the 24 Hour promise
3. Striking Iran directly and setting the stage for a likely future escalation.
4. Threatening to strike Afghanistan.
5. Israel-Hamas ceasefire shattered and an utter failure.
6. Epstein Files cover-up, becoming a part of the swamp.
7. Universities defunded and Legal Immigrants deported for criticising Israel
8. Being cucked by both Putin and Netanyahu.
9. Becoming increasingly hated by almost all other countries in the world. Yes, that matters.
10. Palantir.

Are you tired of winning yet?

[KaraiLover09]

Maybe Kamala wasn't so bad after all?

This presidency is absolute dogs*it so far. This old fart will be remembered for:

1. No Mass deportations of illegals.
2. Ukraine War still ongoing despite the 24 Hour promise
3. Striking Iran directly and setting the stage for a likely future escalation.
4. Threatening to strike Afghanistan.
5. Israel-Hamas ceasefire shattered and an utter failure.
6. Epstein Files cover-up, becoming a part of the swamp.
7. Universities defunded and Legal Immigrants deported for criticising Israel
8. Being cucked by both Putin and Netanyahu.
9. Becoming increasingly hated by almost all other countries in the world. Yes, that matters.
10. Palantir.

Are you tired of winning yet?

I think we would have been better off taking our chances with the ten thousand genders than any of the above. Trump has been balls-to-wall disaster since he won the election.

[ZariusTwo]

Maybe Kamala wasn't so bad after all?
?

Cackling Kamala was completely fake. Already she's revealing her true disloyal colours in her biography.

[Coola Yagami]

Cackling Kamala was completely fake. Already she's revealing her true disloyal colours in her biography.

Still not as bad as Trump. Not by a longshot.

[Mayhem]

Felt sidelined during the Biden term? I dont blame her

[Coola Yagami]

Felt sidelined during the Biden term? I dont blame her

To be fair, she was pretty non-existent during the Biden term. The common question was always 'where' Kamala?' and 'what's she up to?'. Perhaps she would have won if she had a stronger presence? I don't know. But anything is better that what we have now.

[Jester]

Part of the reason my wife and I have started voting 3rd party is because we're sick of both parties. It may be a pair of throwaway votes but I hope more and more people will jump ship and make for an America with a coalition government. Multiple parties having to reach across the aisles to get stuff done and stop the freakin' partisan gridlock...

vAUOPHqx5Gs

[Coola Yagami]

I did notice a big of an uptick on people voting third party this time around. Sadly that did was help Trump win. There was absolutely no way the third party was going to beat Trump or Kamala. Had all those third party votes went to Kamala instead, we might have had a different story today. Definitely not those stupid tarrifs and none of this Ice nonsense.

[Jester]

Depends on the state. My state when hard for Trump regardless of how my wife and I voted.
Heck, our governor was a member of his staff...

[Andrew NDB]

My wife was not going to vote at all when Biden was still on the ticket. She didn't tell me anything, but I suspect she did end up voting for Kamala. Probably because of Kamala's many accomplishments in office. :lol:

I don't remember any third party candidate being a credible threat since the Ross Perot days.

[Barkworm]

My wife was not going to vote at all when Biden was still on the ticket. She didn't tell me anything, but I suspect she did end up voting for Kamala. Probably because of Kamala's many accomplishments in office. :lol:

This is not a jab at all but I‘m genuinely curious: How does a marriage work if your partner has completely different worldviews? Don‘t you ever talk about politics or do the both of you shrug the other one off as silly? I can‘t wrap my head around it because my wife and I are almost always in agreement about how we see things and it‘s part of why I think this is a successful marriage.


I don't remember any third party candidate being a credible threat since the Ross Perot days.

Without Ralph Nader, Gore would have most likely won in 2000.

[ToTheNines]

I did notice a big of an uptick on people voting third party this time around. Sadly that did was help Trump win. There was absolutely no way the third party was going to beat Trump or Kamala. Had all those third party votes went to Kamala instead, we might have had a different story today. Definitely not those stupid tarrifs and none of this Ice nonsense.

Is this true?

I don’t believe in the two party system at all and I’ve voted third party (for President) every election since 2012. But it seems to me that people just run their mouths online about it, but when the votes come in… Green Party and LP barely move the needle and appear to be trending downward since 2016.

I was shocked how poorly the Green Party did last year considering how Brandon and Kamala aided the genocide in Gaza. People seemed fired up. Must have just been my algorithm.




Without Ralph Nader, Gore would have most likely won in 2000.

Is this true? Democrats love to blame the Greens for their own shortcomings.

[Andrew NDB]

This is not a jab at all but I‘m genuinely curious: How does a marriage work if your partner has completely different worldviews? Don‘t you ever talk about politics or do the both of you shrug the other one off as silly? I can‘t wrap my head around it because my wife and I are almost always in agreement about how we see things and it‘s part of why I think this is a successful marriage.

We rarely talk about politics beyond the things we agree on. Mostly about how "her people" have gone nuts with the woke stuff. She's also all for mass deportations of illegals and very pro-second amendment (and she's an ex-soldier herself). She'd probably vote republican if it wasn't for the anti-abortion stuff and latent Christianity of the party. And I'm fine with abortion and am not religious myself, but that's her red line I guess as far as a party goes, regardless of anything else (which is nuts to me, but hey).

[ToTheNines]

We rarely talk about politics beyond the things we agree on. Mostly about how "her people" have gone nuts with the woke stuff. She's also all for mass deportations of illegals. She'd probably vote republican if it wasn't for the anti-abortion stuff and latent Chrisitanity of the party. And I'm fine with abortion and am not religious myself, but that's her red line I guess as far as a party goes, regardless of anything else (which is nuts to me, but hey).

That’s pretty similar to me and my wife. Although she gets mad when I make fun of her for eating up disgusting PR slop and pretending these are good people. “Barack and Michelle are so perfect together! The Biden’s dogs are so CUTE!” Crap like that.

Oh and unironically thinking Notorious RBG merch was cool lmao

[Andrew NDB]

“Barack and Michelle are so perfect together! The Biden’s dogs are so CUTE!” Crap like that.

Oh and unironically thinking Notorious RBG merch was cool lmao

I don't know if I could do that!

[Mayhem]

Is this true? Democrats love to blame the Greens for their own shortcomings.
He took more votes away from Gore compared to Bush, yes.

[ToTheNines]

He took more votes away from Gore compared to Bush, yes.

Yeah but that presumes they would vote D in any scenario.

I voted Green last year, but gun to my head… I would have voted Trump over Harris.

Ranked choice, my #2 would have been Libertarian. And of course there’s always the option to just not vote.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Supporting Trump is always more fun when he's not in power and he symbolised resistance, especially in 2016 when he was the antithesis to the Democratic establishment and we didn't know what a Trump term would look like.

If you did your research, you knew that Trump was always bought and fake from the beginning, a con-man so to speak. But the ideology this con-man supposedly held onto, an organic populism against the establishment that helped get him elected, is very real.

The tale of MAGA is a decade long journey where one man descended down the escalator in 2015, and spoke to the hearts of a silent and angry population. He then got elected and never lived up to the idol that people had erected in their minds, but the idea kept growing and people are now more Based and Radicalised than Trump himself ever was.

[Coola Yagami]

Is this true?



From what I remember, yes. There were a lot (relatively speaking) of em posting about how they were going to vote Third Party as if it would make any kind of difference.

Like I get it, you hate both Trump and Kamala. However, voting third party is literally throwing your vote away, unless there's some surprising turnout or movement.

I mean when's the last time there was a political debate and it was three people there, not just the Democrat and Republican representative?

[Barkworm]

Yeah but that presumes they would vote D in any scenario.

I voted Green last year, but gun to my head… I would have voted Trump over Harris.

Ranked choice, my #2 would have been Libertarian. And of course there’s always the option to just not vote.

Bush won Florida (which was the tipping-point state in 2000) by 500 votes, Nader got around 100,000 votes in total there. Seems reasonable enough that at least 0.5 per cent of those voters would have gone for Gore if Nader hadn‘t been an option. So yeah, very easy to presume Gore would have won.

[Mayhem]

I mean when's the last time there was a political debate and it was three people there, not just the Democrat and Republican representative?
1992 and Perot I think.

[ToTheNines]

From what I remember, yes. There were a lot (relatively speaking) of em posting about how they were going to vote Third Party as if it would make any kind of difference.

Like I get it, you hate both Trump and Kamala. However, voting third party is literally throwing your vote away, unless there's some surprising turnout or movement.

I mean when's the last time there was a political debate and it was three people there, not just the Democrat and Republican representative?

2016 saw a big surge in 3rd party votes, its been dwindling since.

2016:
LP - 4.4 million
Green - 1.4 million

2020:
LP - 1.8 million
Green - 407,000

2024:
Green - 862,00
LP - 756,000

The only other note for 2024 was RFJ Jr. Even though he dropped out and endorsed Trump, he wasn’t able to get his name off the ballot in several states but he still only ended up pulling about 594,000.

Sounds like people were taking a mean game online, but no one really showed up.


Bush won Florida (which was the tipping-point state in 2000) by 500 votes, Nader got around 100,000 votes in total there. Seems reasonable enough that at least 0.5 per cent of those voters would have gone for Gore if Nader hadn‘t been an option. So yeah, very easy to presume Gore would have won.

Wow, interesting.

[Coola Yagami]

1992 and Perot I think.

Wow. Even though I was a kid back then, Ross Perot is probably the only third party guy I could name. Dude was everywhere back then, and he was parodied in the Simpsons and In Living Color (Jim Carrey lol).

What was his party called, and why did he drop out?

[ToTheNines]

He ran as an Independent, and he didn’t drop out. Did pretty well in the election.

The reason you never see third party candidates in the debates is because the debates are operated by “debate committee” that has certain rules for participation. One of the main rules is a candidate must be consistently polling at 5 percent or more.

This never happens, so it’s kind of a Catch 22.

[Mayhem]

Shooting at ICE facility in Texas. Contrary to expectations, no ICE agents were shot, only detainees with several casualties noted. Shooter is dead. More to come no doubt.

[Mayhem]

Stephen Miller, today:
“You have nothing. You are nothing. You are wickedness, you are jealousy! You are envy! You are hatred! … You can build nothing. You can produce nothing. You can create nothing.”

Hitler (1922 speech in Munich):
“The Jew has never founded any civilization, though he has destroyed hundreds. He produces nothing, he only corrupts what others have built.”

He really is channelling Goebbels and Hitler in his rhetoric…

[Andrew NDB]

Stephen Miller, today:

Who is that?

[Mayhem]

Who is that?
Not sure, ToTheNines likes to plaster pictures of him everywhere though.

[ToTheNines]

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQmjjU7yCtQu4eebCxOHNupj0XxezDTq sQZrfdHCORolA&s=10

[Autbot_Benz]

Who is that?

Miller is trump's racist deputy chief of staff

[Daytona]

Can the lefties stop shooting at people? Nonstop for the last few weeks, damn.

[ToTheNines]

https://i.imgur.com/Ol7Pmmk.jpeg

[Andrew NDB]

Miller is trump's racist deputy chief of staff

I don't know who he is so I can't speak to that, but why do we think this? What are some examples?

Can the lefties stop shooting at people?

Nope. They're righteous and on the right side of history, etc..

[Mayhem]

Meanwhile Trump is sending $20B to Argentina, which is one of the places China is now buying its soybeans from. Winning! There go the USAID savings…

[Andrew NDB]

Good grief... they actually let Ben Affleck's daughter get up in front of the U.N. spewing this stuff?

Mh5TjsOD2cw

[Daytona]

Ben Affleck so embarrassed right now but he can’t say it. Bro takes just as many hits as he does wins, quite the roller coaster.

[Mayhem]

Mike Johnson refusing to swear in Grijalva because she’d be the 218th signature needed to petition the Epstein file release…

[Autbot_Benz]

Mike Johnson refusing to swear in Grijalva because she’d be the 218th signature needed to petition the Epstein file release…

Johnson is probably on the Epstein files :lol:

[member_removed]

Mike Johnson refusing to swear in Grijalva because she’d be the 218th signature needed to petition the Epstein file release…

I'm surprised Nancy Mace hasn't walked back her agreement to sign for the release.

Early this month she was in tears following meeting a group of victims then the following day was towing the party line calling it a hoax. I still think she'll be the one walk away from a yes vote.

[Mayhem]

Conservative Christian CINOs being hypocritical again. Not a word of support elsewhere when Kirk was shot in Utah, but now that a Mormon church was shot up in Michigan, suddenly Mormons are now Christians to them and the message is this attack is “an attack on Christianity”. Even suggestions it was left wing or Islamic terrorism.

(given I used to date someone who came from a Mormon household, the fact they follow Jesus Christ means they’ve always been a strand of Christianity to me)

Of course now details about the shooter have come out (name, ex-military, patriot, Trump supporter etc) it’s all gone as quiet as a morgue again.

[ToTheNines]

DVTyGDTGfLM?si=oyEHXE1oXDNYLAS9

I saw someone post about this on instagram, so naturally I rushed to YouTube thinking it would be hilarious. But damn… my guy Trump is looking SLEEPY!

[Andrew NDB]

https://s.faketrumptweet.com/mg7j70ji_fmdk49_1ccgb37.png

[ToTheNines]

Haha, the big guy noticed me!



https://s.faketrumptweet.com/mg82iamw_7fz3cm_1lccr4z.png

[ranger_scout]

So typical of a judge appointed by Biden and his team to give a light sentence like this! :x

Justice Kavanaugh's attempted assassin sentenced to 8 years in prison (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/justice-kavanaughs-attempted-assassin-sentenced-8-years-prison)

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Based on the Statement just issued by Hamas, I believe they are ready for a lasting PEACE. Israel must immediately stop the bombing of Gaza, so that we can get the Hostages out safely and quickly! Right now, it’s far too dangerous to do that. We are already in discussions on details to be worked out. This is not about Gaza alone, this is about long sought PEACE in the Middle East.

Trump, do you really believe Hamas is ready for peace and that Israel should stop the bombing?

You're a disgusting anti-semite and you should apologise!

Jokes aside, here is what Trump is responding to (note that this post was also re-posted by Trump on his Truth Social):

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G2XYkJaWYAACd9x?format=jpg&name=medium

[Andrew NDB]

Trump, do you really believe Hamas is ready for peace and that Israel should stop the bombing?

Maybe, maybe not. But the plan is going to happen with or without Hamas' signing onto it. If they agree to it then they at least get to keep some dignity and we get the remaining hostages out, so that'd be a plus, but the time for f***ing around and delaying the end to the conflict so the "genocide" can keep being propagandized is over.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Trump didn't need to say Hamas wants Peace. He could've easily left it at the Ultimatum.

But he did say they want Peace (and a Lasting one at that) despite them not having signed to anything yet. Addressing Hamas in such friendly language is a pretty big deal.

I see this as a sign that Trump is negotiating from a position of weakness, as he has much to lose in favourability if he lets Israel "Finish the Job". And I think even Trump is smart enough not to want the same legacy as Genocide Joe.

I've been pretty harsh on Trump recently, and I think odds are that this offer of his is a complete farce. But I think that the change in tone around Hamas is a welcome development.

[Andrew NDB]

Trump didn't need to say Hamas wants Peace. He could've easily left it at the Ultimatum.

But he did say they want Peace (and a Lasting one at that) despite them not having signed to anything yet. Addressing Hamas in such friendly language is a pretty big deal.

I see this as a sign that Trump is negotiating from a position of weakness, as he has much to lose in favourability if he lets Israel "Finish the Job".

I've been pretty harsh on Trump recently, and I think odds are that this offer is a farce. But I think that the change in tone around Hamas is a welcome development.

You're not wrong that the offer is a farce. But only in the sense that if they don't take it, they won't get steamrolled over anyway. And now Hamas has been told by all of their allies that uh, yeah... sorry, buddy, you're on your own now -- better take the deal.

[ToTheNines]

Israel will violate this in a week or less. Watch.

being propagandized.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSJPJZ4AszgBP-RGHq5NyUzVer85FvRTNEqSNE0sdi1-Q&s=10

[Andrew NDB]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DPP24LgDgkv/?igsh=MTB5d3E2ZDRqcTF5eA==

[Barkworm]

Playing down or even mocking the genocide in Gaza is contemptuous and despicable but I didn't expect anything else here.

[Andrew NDB]

Playing down or even mocking the genocide in Gaza is contemptuous and despicable but I didn't expect anything else here.

Even acknowledging "the genocide" is a thing is worlds apart from a given even on the public stage. And I'd go so far as to say if it was, given the actual facts... yeesh! Scary town for sure. No, no, no, no.

Are conditions ideal? No. Could they be much better if Hamas had surrendered... oh I don't know, on day 2? Or 300? Absolutely. Should Israel have wrapped this up WAY quicker? YES! But they have been approaching this with kid mitts and it has been biting them in the ass. Had they gone faster and furiouser it would have been done a year or so ago.... but then there actually would have been a ton more innocents dead. But their war cabinet really is bi-partisan so there is a lot of careful decision making on every move, to a detriment. Which isn't to say they should have gone more ballistic, it's just to say this is an enemy that publicly hides bases of attack under hospitals and "refugee camps" (a bit of wordplay to play down buildings that have been defacto apartment buildings/condos since 2005). And we're to do a kind of magic and forget that when the next move against Hamas comes.

Again, what could have stopped this at any point in time? Hamas surrendering and giving up the hostages. I have no idea why we are normalizing hostage taking and holding.

[ToTheNines]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DPP24LgDgkv/?igsh=MTB5d3E2ZDRqcTF5eA==

Brother, you’re not being the “being propagandized” allegations by sharing a Noa Tishby video. Whether you believe it’s for this the right side or not, she’s literally a propagandist.

Even acknowledging "the genocide" is a thing is worlds apart from a given even on the public stage. And I'd go so far as to say if it was, given the actual facts... yeesh! Scary town for sure. No, no, no, no.

Are conditions ideal? No. Could they be much better if Hamas had surrendered... oh I don't know, on day 2? Or 300? Absolutely. Should Israel have wrapped this up WAY quicker? YES! But they have been approaching this with kid mitts and it has been biting them in the ass. Had they gone faster and furiouser it would have been done a year or so ago.... but then there actually would have been a ton more innocents dead. But their war cabinet really is bi-partisan so there is a lot of careful decision making on every move, to a detriment.

Again, what could have stopped this at any point in time? Hamas surrendering and giving up the hostages. I have no idea why we are normalizing hostage taking and holding.

Yes they’ve been very careful and meticulous every time they killed a journalist, UN aide worker, infant or Israeli citizen.

You also have to respect the bipartisan aspect of the IDF raping and torturing prisoners. Some people thought it was wrong when people rioted over their soldiers getting in trouble for that, but they’re just afraid of debate!

(Without IMJ here, I feel like Andrew is on one of those Jubilee debates lol. But he won’t take an L!)

[Andrew NDB]

Brother, you’re not being the “being propagandized” allegations by sharing a Noa Tishby video.

Rewatch Enterprise season 3 and then tell me that again. :) But seriously, show me these hard evidences of IDF "raping" anybody over there.

I mean if we're to get into the Ukraine stuff. Wow. I've seen a lot. On both sides. Super weird and scary stuff. The kind of videos you used to see weekly from the cartels in Mexico until the left managed to somehow make all of that stuff invisible on the internet about 5 years ago.

[ToTheNines]

Rewatch Enterprise season 3 and then tell me that again. :) But seriously, show me these hard evidences of IDF "raping" anybody over there.

I mean if we're to get into the Ukraine stuff. Wow. I've seen a lot. On both sides. Super weird and scary stuff. The kind of videos you used to see weekly from the cartels in Mexico until the left managed to somehow make all of that stuff invisible on the internet about 5 years ago.

She’s fine as hell, I won’t argue there lol.

Anyway, uh…

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israel-gaza-palestine-prison-west-bank-palestinians-b2705046.html

https://web.archive.org/web/20240323225817/https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-gaza-detainee-palestinian-deaths-hospitals-51d4727a1365b9e06198579c3eb856f8

https://www.ohchr.org/en/hr-bodies/hrc/co-israel/index

Just a small sample, unfortunately.

Also, like I mentioned, there were riots in Israel last year when soldiers got in trouble for this sick ****: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna164213

[Mayhem]

Rumour Johnson is filibusting Grivalja so no Congress this week and thus no attempt to resolve the shutdown either.

[Mayhem]

No coverage of this, quelle surprise, NJ teen stalks and kills two classmates, the final straw for him was them making comments about Charlie Kirk’s death.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DPY39dmjcoi/?igsh=MWM1dmRnOGptZnllcg==

[Autbot_Benz]

Rumour Johnson is filibusting Grivalja so no Congress this week and thus no attempt to resolve the shutdown either.

Johnson is so far up Trump’s ass he can taste what he had for breakfest

[ToTheNines]

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/PZtWk1WJkkY/hqdefault.jpg

Look up “Mike Johnson Grindr” lol

[Daytona]

Who do you think the lefties will shoot this week?

[IndigoErth]

Johnson is so far up Trump’s ass he can taste what he had for breakfest
And was a breakfast of bulls***.

[Mayhem]

MAGA are ultra deflecting the shutdown onto the Dems as them wanting to give illegals Medicaid (they can’t, the only thing they are eligible for is emergency hospital care ) that it’s suppressing the real reason Dems have shutdown things down - basically trying to stop ALL health insurance skyrocket :o

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DPXg7DxjVw_/?igsh=cXd4NGl1Njg5bnpz


Who do you think the lefties will shoot this week?
Considering none of the ones last week were including the Mormon church, I don’t know, ask someone MAGA instead who they will shoot up?

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Who do you think the lefties will shoot this week?

Pure ragebait. The left/right paradigm is so stale.

Anyways, more updates on Trump and the Middle East:

There have been very positive discussions with Hamas, and Countries from all over the World (Arab, Muslim, and everyone else) this weekend, to release the Hostages, end the War in Gaza but, more importantly, finally have long sought PEACE in the Middle East. These talks have been very successful, and proceeding rapidly. The technical teams will again meet Monday, in Egypt, to work through and clarify the final details. I am told that the first phase should be completed this week, and I am asking everyone to MOVE FAST. I will continue to monitor this Centuries old “conflict.” TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE OR, MASSIVE BLOODSHED WILL FOLLOW — SOMETHING THAT NOBODY WANTS TO SEE!

I don't trust Trump as we have seen this song and dance of broken promises too many times, but the statements coming out are looking good so far.

[Mayhem]

The sticking point is going to be the requirement that Palestine still gets to govern Palestine, which I can't see Israel going for.

[ToTheNines]

https://i.redd.it/6ba5mby5a0511.png

[Mayhem]

In news surprising to no one, GoP fabricated photos to convince Trump to send troops to Portland…

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/oct/06/oregon-republicans-protest-photo-south-america

[Mayhem]

ICE blame woman for incident, accuse her of being armed, shoot her, try to incarcerate her while still wounded despite being US citizen. Needless to say body cam footage shows complete opposite :roll:


"DO SOMETHING, BITCH" - a federal "agent"

Unsurprisingly, bodycam footage completely contradicts the ICE/DOJ statement about the incident in Chicago on Saturday where a woman was shot multiple times.

The government statement claimed the woman, Marimar Martinez, boxed in and "rammed" government vehicles, forcing agents to fire upon her. The statement also put a gun in her hands.

Was any of that true? Of course not.

Bodycam footage shows that agents were mad at Martinez for following them and honking to alert people to their presence, so THEY turned into HER car, said "do something, bitch," and then fired on her.

Just your regular reminder that almost every immediate statement hurriedly released by departments after violent encounters are entirely spin, made in an effort to control the narrative and convince people of their version of events before actual evidence is released. There is study after study on this, going back years; and this is one of the key elements making the general public distrustful of those departments.

The feds under Trump are taking this to the extreme, like they do everything else. A woman was rammed, shot (nearly executed), and cast as a violent and gun-wielding aggressor. The judge in the case saw the evidence and decided that this woman did not need to be held until trial.

Martinez drove herself to a local business after being shot, where employees called 911 and got her into an ambulance and taken to the hospital, where she was grabbed by ICE while receiving treatment. They had to take her back later because her wounds were still bleeding.

(And not that it should matter, but she's a U.S. citizen. Who works at a school and is a pillar of her community.)

Hopefully she gets some of those billions that Trump and Speaker Mike Johnson funneled to ICE. I can guarantee she'd put it into her community, which would be a much better use of that money.

[Andrew NDB]

The sticking point is going to be the requirement that Palestine still gets to govern Palestine, which I can't see Israel going for.

The goal is absolutely to get Palestinians to govern the piece of what was once ancient Palestine that they currently reside in. They just first have to prove that they're able to do that, in good faith, and not immediately elect terrorists who will just start building terror tunnels again and scuttling away rockets and such like they did last time... so no, no time soon.

ICE blame woman for incident, accuse her of being armed, shoot her, try to incarcerate her while still wounded despite being US citizen. Needless to say body cam footage shows complete opposite :roll:

Where are you seeing this? Surely this would be all over CNN if it was true.

[Mayhem]

Where are you seeing this? Surely this would be all over CNN if it was true.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/oct/07/chicago-woman-shot-immigration-agents

To name a fair few places…

[Coola Yagami]

The goal is absolutely to get Palestinians to govern the piece of what was once ancient Palestine that they currently reside in. They just first have to prove that they're able to do that, in good faith, and not immediately elect terrorists who will just start building terror tunnels again and scuttling away rockets and such like they did last time... so no, no time soon.



Where are you seeing this? Surely this would be all over CNN if it was true.

Surely Trump would never try to block media from the truth. Just like we'll see those Epstein files any day now.

[ToTheNines]

Israel will violate this in a week or less. Watch.


While this technically hasn’t come true yet, our Greatest Ally made sure to wreak some more havoc after the ceasefire was announced (but before it officially went into effect): https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israeli-attacks-persists-gaza-after-ceasefire-agreement-announced

Is this something that should be done if this treaty is being signed in good faith? Are these the good guys?

[Mayhem]

It’s been announced Trump is going for his annual health check up shortly. Only problem is, he already had it in April. So… something going on.

[Andrew NDB]

While this technically hasn’t come true yet, our Greatest Ally made sure to wreak some more havoc after the ceasefire was announced (but before it officially went into effect): https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israeli-attacks-persists-gaza-after-ceasefire-agreement-announced

Is this something that should be done if this treaty is being signed in good faith? Are these the good guys?

So they gave Hamas one last kick in the teeth? Oh well.

[ToTheNines]

So they gave Hamas one last kick in the teeth? Oh well.

I think one can reasonably assume any casualties were most likely civilians.

Regardless, Israel would be screaming and crying if the inverse happened and would probably call the treaty off. Why take that risk if getting their hostages back is so important?

They’re a bitch ass country with no scruples.

[Andrew NDB]

I think one can reasonably assume any casualties were most likely civilians.

I don't think one can reasonably assume that at all.

[ToTheNines]

I don't think one can reasonably assume that at all.

66+ killed, and 250+ injured. I guess we can believe whatever we want to.

To my credit, leaked Israeli data estimates that about 80 percent of Palestinian casualties have been civilians over the past two years. Make of that what you will.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

To my credit, leaked Israeli data estimates that about 80 percent of Palestinian casualties have been civilians over the past two years. Make of that what you will.

Na man, you can't trust leaked Israeli data estimates. They are obviously controlled by the all-powerful Hamas, just like how Hamas controls the UN and all the countries that recognised Palestine.

[Andrew NDB]

To my credit, leaked Israeli data estimates that about 80 percent of Palestinian casualties have been civilians over the past two years. Make of that what you will.

I don't make much of that at all. How do they even know who is a civilian and who is a Hamas member? Is there like a registered list of Hamas members somewhere, like with the NRA? They only get in their Hamas uniforms when it's time to march of shame Israeli hostages back and laugh at them. And if 80% of the country supports Hamas...?

[ToTheNines]

Well it’s an estimate. I’m sure it’s not perfect, fog of war and all that.

But to your point about Hamas membership, fair enough. Let’s take fighting age males out the equation entirely, I still say the amount of women and children killed is absolutely ghastly. But we’ve had this conversation before.

[sdp]

Well the only good outcome is Palestine is recognized as a country by basicallythe whole world now and Israel's reputation is ruined. Even if it came at a great loss of life, it wasn't all for nothing.

[Andrew NDB]

Well the only good outcome is Palestine is recognized as a country by basicallythe whole world now

No, by basically nothing and no one. And the recognition was completely meaningless until such a time as they have an independent (as in not Hamas) ability to self-govern, or produce a governing body. They don't have that. Or even a definition of what "Palestine" is by land markers.

It's like a Canada and Greenland declaring a sovereign country in a park somewhere in America. It's nothing. It means nothing. Everybody knows it means nothing. But it makes certain people feel good for 5 minutes.

and Israel's reputation is ruined.

It isn't in the best place now. But of all the people up in arms about the "genocide in Gaza," why aren't they celebrating now? Even a little? Could it be that it was never about this "genocide" but just about a nice opportunity to go after... well, you know?

[ToTheNines]

It isn't in the best place now.

No but I’m sure they can continue spending (literally) hundreds of millions of dollars on PR to try and rehabilitate their image. It’s probably nothing to them, since the US just sends billions and billions of dollars over there every year.

But of all the people up in arms about the "genocide in Gaza," why aren't they celebrating now? Even a little?

Because everyone with a brain knows Israel will violate the ceasefire and start their same ********.

EDIT: it’s also kinda hard to celebrate after two years of bombardment and 60,000+ deaths on just one side.

Could it be that it was never about this "genocide" but just about a nice opportunity to go after... well, you know?

Man y’all really are the Woke Right now. Getting people fired over tweets and crying “Nazi” every chance you get.

[Andrew NDB]

No but I’m sure they can continue spending (literally) hundreds of millions of dollars on PR to try and rehabilitate their image. It’s probably nothing to them, since the US just sends billions and billions of dollars over there every year.

If we had other true allies over there I'm sure we'd disperse those funds similarly. As it stands, we don't.

Because everyone with a brain knows Israel will violate the ceasefire and start their same ********.

Entirely possible! And the possibility exists that something happens between now and when Hamas releases those surviving hostages come Monday or so. I think a lot of people are holding their breath in the meantime, not unjustifiably.

EDIT: it’s also kinda hard to celebrate after two years of bombardment and 60,000+ deaths on just one side.

Not even the apparent ratification of the end of it? Why? And war isn't supposed to be proportional. Particularly on the side that totally started it. And gathering of HOSTAGES as bargaining chips? That's insane, man. Even some grandmas who were already snatched up by actual Nazis in WWII? Now they get to do it again now and it's cool? This stuff is nuts to me.

[ToTheNines]

If we had other true allies over there I'm sure we'd disperse those funds similarly. As it stands, we don't.

I’m sorry, but this is incredibly blue-pilled.


Entirely possible! And the possibility exists that something happens between now and when Hamas releases those surviving hostages come Monday or so. I think a lot of people are holding their breath in the meantime, not unjustifiably.

Worth pointing out that I’ve seen plenty of ZioNazis complaining about the deal and criticizing Trump over it, even though I thought returning the hostages was paramount. Also read a report that Netanyahu was pissed about it, but he is publicly supporting it now.


Not even the apparent ratification of the end of it? Why? And war isn't supposed to be proportional. Particularly on the side that totally started it. And gathering of HOSTAGES as bargaining chips? That's insane, man. Even some grandmas who were already snatched up by actual Nazis in WWII? Now they get to do it again now and it's cool? This stuff is nuts to me.

You said it yourself “war is ugly business”. And for the millionth time, this conflict did not start in 2023.

I’m no historian, but I do know that it’s ancient at this point. I’m also a Christian and don’t necessarily side with anyone here in the grand scheme of things. But I do know that the conflict has been incredibly one-sided over the last 75 years or so and Israel is no stranger to committing atrocities against civilians. You reap what you sow.

EDIT: I said this before too, but it bears repeating: The Zionist movement is a failed experiment and is in no way concerned with the safety of Jewish people. **** their stupid prophecies, there is no reason for a Jewish nation-state to be in the Middle East. After WWII it should have been established in Europe or America. Would have been zero bloodshed.

[Andrew NDB]

So if some Native American tribes banded together as a terrorist group, killed a couple thousand people in say, New Mexico, took a few hundred hostages while raping (or we can remove that for sake of argument)... pulled them back to a zone in Mexican borders where even the Mexican government is scared to go in... good on them because of the "history"? And you'd be on their side? Bullsh**. This is now.

And woulda shoulda coulda about the Jewish nation state. It did. It's there. Now they're in the unenviable position of having to defend it. And they are.

[ToTheNines]

Obviously I think the Indian Removal was mostly evil and wrong. But I think we’re on the same page there: it’s in the past and can’t be fixed. Best we can do is move forward amicably and give them equal rights as citizens, which is what’s happening. (And I can tell you from dealing with government contracts and having a Native business partner, a lot is still being done in that respect. It doesn’t fix the past, but it’s something).

Israel-Palestine has been ongoing since the founding and the killing and annexation has only stopped recently. That’s a huge false equivalence. Even to their origins, the two situations are separated by over 100 years.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

I think that in regards to American Politics, the Gaza Genocide is so raw and disturbing, that it could make the difference between who gets elected depending on which party supports Israel and how much.

Even in 2024, Biden and by extension, Kamala, lost alot of support because of their support of the Genocide. Many preferred a Trump victory not because he was better, but to punish the Democrats for what they did.

And while Trump himself is Pro-Israel, there's no denying that there is a growing faction of his base that has no love for sending Billions to Israel instead of using it for America.

Something similar is happening in my home country, New Zealand. Recently, our right-wing government refused to recognise Palestine at the United Nations, and the backlash has been extremely intense.Our politicians have rightfully been accussed of being bootlickers of Israel who were given "The Call".

I sincerely believe that because of what my government did, they will be destroyed in a landslide in the 2026 election by the Left Wing coalition which has vowed to recognise Palestine and Sanction Israel immediately.

I myself who initially voted for the Right-Wing government in 2023, will switch over to the Left, for many reasons but this being one of them. I'm super conservative by all accounts, but I'd rather prefer a government that refuses to be a Slave to Israel and is Socially Liberal rather than the inverse.

[Mayhem]

Compelling evidence that Trump’s “follow up yearly health check” was due to having a stroke last month. There’s a number of shots doing the rounds that clearly show stroke-like facial and body symptoms.

[sdp]

why did we give a 20 billion dollar bail out to Argentina?

[ToTheNines]

why did we give a 20 billion dollar bail out to Argentina?

Because of this.

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[Mayhem]

why did we give a 20 billion dollar bail out to Argentina?
Because Trump supported the original election of Milei into power, and the two are best buds, ahead of the next round of Argentinian elections in two weeks time. Also Trump's friends who have large investments in Argentina.

Sucks for all the American soy bean farmers who are losing out to China because Argentina is now supplying China instead too...

[Coola Yagami]

So has Trump gotten onto cleaning up Chicago yet? I lost track.

I'd figure it's all talk since he'd most likely target Hispanics rather than the actual gangs, but a lot of the gangs there are Hispanic so maybe two birds with one stone?

[Mayhem]

So has Trump gotten onto cleaning up Chicago yet? I lost track.
Nope, because you got scenarios like this :lol: Gravy Seals activate!

https://www.reddit.com/r/RunningCirclejerk/comments/1o4on94/ironical_ice_agents_hit_the_wall/