US American politics

[Coola Yagami]

Nope, you are expected to comply with law enforcement.

Those thugs are anything but law enforcement.

[ranger_scout]

The article just says he's warning that he might.

Thanks for the correction.

[CyberCubed]

Criminals will pay for their crimes. On both sides.

[member_removed]

Nope, you are expected to comply with law enforcement. I'm sorry if this is like breaking news. You don't get to not comply and, instead, do funny stuff with your vehicle around or at them... this gets you killed. Fast.

If only Ashley Babbit had listened to your words.

[Mayhem]

Mayor tells ICE to get the **** out of the city

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DTOQoDWkdnt/?igsh=MXYxeWE2Y2J4ODExbA==

Also coming out that ICE blocked attempts from medical crew and a doctor that lived nearby from administering any kind of intervention and let her bleed out.

From Title 1, U.S. DOJ Policy on Use of Force:

“Firearms may not be discharged solely to disable moving vehicles. Specifically, firearms may not be discharged at a moving vehicle unless: (1) a person in the vehicle is threatening the officer or another person with deadly force by means other than the vehicle; or (2) the vehicle is operated in a manner that threatens to cause death or serious physical injury … and no other objectively reasonable means of defense appear to exist, which includes moving out of the path of the vehicle.”

Also, placing oneself in the path of a moving vehicle constitutes officer-created jeopardy and undermines any claim that deadly force was necessary.

[Coola Yagami]

Mayor tells ICE to get the **** out of the city

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DTOQoDWkdnt/?igsh=MXYxeWE2Y2J4ODExbA==

Also coming out that ICE blocked attempts from medical crew and a doctor that lived nearby from administering any kind of intervention and let her bleed out.

From Title 1, U.S. DOJ Policy on Use of Force:

“Firearms may not be discharged solely to disable moving vehicles. Specifically, firearms may not be discharged at a moving vehicle unless: (1) a person in the vehicle is threatening the officer or another person with deadly force by means other than the vehicle; or (2) the vehicle is operated in a manner that threatens to cause death or serious physical injury … and no other objectively reasonable means of defense appear to exist, which includes moving out of the path of the vehicle.”

Also, placing oneself in the path of a moving vehicle constitutes officer-created jeopardy and undermines any claim that deadly force was necessary.

Good. Get the **** rid of em.

[ranger_scout]

NBC did a good breakdown of what happened in Minneapolis.

https://x.com/CurtisHouck/status/2009060728448176595

[Andrew NDB]

Pretty spot-on assessment of the woman vs. ICE:

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[IMJ]

The woman in the car set the situation up on so many levels that it's undeniable to anyone using reality as opposed to the Marxist playbook of gaslighting and finding wedges.

-She shouldn't have approached LE in the first place, let alone in a state of confrontation. That sets the stage to be suppressed as a threat.
-She was in a vehicle in a hostile condition and wasn't complying with direct orders to leave the area. That escalates the situation to be suppressed as a threat.
-She then moved the vehicle, which are essentially 2-ton bullets that can steer, into Officers after setting the stage as described above. She is now an active threat and hostile towards officers.

That's it. The end.

And then there are the other people - the manipulative gaslighters who say $#!( like "the officer reached for his gun", which is an irrelevant point - he's an Officer - he can reach for his gun. Simply within the framework of interacting with L.E., you as the "citizen" stop - not the officer. Anyone who doesn't understand this literally deserves to be shot as you are operating as a sociopath outside the constructed tenets of society. We give cops guns because their station commands they can be trusted with them at large. But I think most of you actually know this but are saying otherwise anyway in order to throw your tantrums or to provoke as if it gives you power. The "power trip" is yours, not L.E.

For those of you who think you understand but don't? The L.E. is the "control" and you are the "variable". And so if you keep behaving in "variable, unstable ways" while L.E. operates under the same condition, then in fact you are the one escalating and are the problem. There are a world of people who appear to have never learned these things about L.E. and for those of you who are like that - your parents failed you miserably.

[Coola Yagami]

The woman in the car set the situation up on so many levels that it's undeniable to anyone using reality as opposed to the Marxist playbook of gaslighting and finding wedges.

-She shouldn't have approached LE in the first place, let alone in a state of confrontation. That sets the stage to be suppressed as a threat.
-She was in a vehicle in a hostile condition and wasn't complying with direct orders to leave the area. That escalates the situation to be suppressed as a threat.
-She then moved the vehicle, which are essentially 2-ton bullets that can steer, into Officers after setting the stage as described above. She is now an active threat and hostile towards officers.

That's it. The end.

And then there are the other people - the manipulative gaslighters who say $#!( like "the officer reached for his gun", which is an irrelevant point - he's an Officer - he can reach for his gun. Simply within the framework of interacting with L.E., you as the "citizen" stop - not the officer. Anyone who doesn't understand this literally deserves to be shot as you are operating as a sociopath outside the constructed tenets of society. We give cops guns because their station commands they can be trusted with them at large. But I think most of you actually know this but are saying otherwise anyway in order to throw your tantrums or to provoke as if it gives you power. The "power trip" is yours, not L.E.

For those of you who think you understand but don't? The L.E. is the "control" and you are the "variable". And so if you keep behaving in "variable, unstable ways" while L.E. operates under the same condition, then in fact you are the one escalating and are the problem. There are a world of people who appear to have never learned these things about L.E. and for those of you who are like that - your parents failed you miserably.

There were a million ways that could have gone down without shooting her dead. Getting the **** out of the way for example. Or shoot the tires. Or anything other than committing murder.

[Andrew NDB]

There were a million ways that could have gone down without shooting her dead. Getting the **** out of the way for example. Or shoot the tires. Or anything other than committing murder.

The same reason "Why didn't that cop just shoot them in the leg?!?!" kind of stuff. A split second could mean life or death. You shoot them in the leg they can still fire on you and kill you. Conversely, you shoot out a tire a car can still run you over. In fact, it changes very little.

I really thought you were smarter than this, man.

[TonySiegel]

Has any of the pro-police posters in here ever gotten harassed by law enforcement?

[FredWolfLeonardo]

For those of you who think you understand but don't? The L.E. is the "control" and you are the "variable". And so if you keep behaving in "variable, unstable ways" while L.E. operates under the same condition, then in fact you are the one escalating and are the problem. There are a world of people who appear to have never learned these things about L.E. and for those of you who are like that - your parents failed you miserably.

The Law Enforcement is not the Control. Control requires obedience and loyalty.

Good's death has sparked nationwide protests and disgust at ICE, and the entire administration as a whole.

You simply don't have "control" if most of the nation hates you, and acts of defiance increase by the day.

[Andrew NDB]

Has any of the pro-police posters in here ever gotten harassed by law enforcement?

No, but I've tazed myself. Or been tazed by buddies. Does that count?

[Stu_Padasso]

Has any of the pro-police posters in here ever gotten harassed by law enforcement?

You rang?

Cops are people .Good. Bad. Somewhere in between. Blame the politicians and activists for passing stupid laws.

[Stu_Padasso]

No, but I've tazed myself. Or been tazed by buddies. Does that count?

LOL!

“I’m Andrew and this is Jackass!”

My sister once accidentally pepper sprayed me while testing it in my apartment.

[IMJ]

There were a million ways that could have gone down without shooting her dead. Getting the **** out of the way for example. Or shoot the tires. Or anything other than committing murder.

This was possibly the most T.V-Level, Childlike thing I've ever seen you write here.

The Law Enforcement is not the Control. Control requires obedience and loyalty.

Good's death has sparked nationwide protests and disgust at ICE, and the entire administration as a whole.

You simply don't have "control" if most of the nation hates you, and acts of defiance increase by the day.

This following that. And wrong on every level.

"Control" was the term rooted in the experiment, not "control of the public". Control meaning that L.E. follows the procedure doing the same thing in repetition usually fairly well while the public is the variable - full of nonsense responses that aren't predictable.

But to your misunderstood-point, L.E. DOES have control of any situation they are involved in. That's how you enforce laws. You don't yield "control" to a maniac using a vehicle as a weapon.

I can't believe I'm even explaining this.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

But to your misunderstood-point, L.E. DOES have control of any situation they are involved in.

Surrreeeeee they do. All under control.....

[Barkworm]

Americans need to go crazy in their country as much as they want. Just keep your hands off Europe. Any smart European leader needs to scale back on relations to the US as much as they can.

[Mayhem]

You can blame politicians for passing the laws. You can also blame the process that is allowing people who should not be recruited into these positions be recruited into these positions. Right now that’s from a sense of absolute demand and seemingly anyone is game even if they can’t run or shoot properly.

Has any of the pro-police posters in here ever gotten harassed by law enforcement?
Probably not because they are all white males. Every American friend I have or have had that has complained about harassment is not in that demographic.

[ToTheNines]

Andrew’s not white lol

[Mayhem]

I’ve met Andrew btw heh, but okay I’ll grant he’s not red hair pasty white Gaelic origin :lol:

Jesse Ventura lays down some choice words…

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DTRVcbtD2WV/?igsh=aGNhbWFpOHlibDF1

[Coola Yagami]

Andrew’s not white lol

Pretty sure he forgets that sometimes lol

[CyberCubed]

Andrew’s not white lol

Pretty sure he forgets that sometimes lol

I mean he's, "white enough" I guess.

You know ICES really only targets brown or dark skinned hispanics. The hispanics who look white are basically in the clear.

[Prowler]

Andrew’s not white lol

I don't go around trying to decipher someone's ethnicity, but I'd have guessed Andrew to have Japanese/Korean/Chinese ancestry based on his avatars. But apparently he has Amerindian ancestry from Colombia or something.

His eye shape threw me off, I suppose lol

[Prowler]

Who do those people recognise as being a "true American", anyway? I mean, if we want to be technical, then unless you're a Native American, you're not indigenous to the country. :lol:

[Andrew NDB]

Americans need to go crazy in their country as much as they want. Just keep your hands off Europe.

I don't think we have any problem with that. You guys have your own problems -- REAL problems.

I’ve met Andrew btw heh, but okay I’ll grant he’s not red hair pasty white Gaelic origin :lol:

I don't recall us ever crossing paths, Mat. Maybe at San D ages ago?

[Barkworm]

I don't think we have any problem with that. You guys have your own problems -- REAL problems.
Right, one insane dictator invading from the east, another insane wannabe dictator preparing for military invasion from the west. It is really unsettling.

[IMJ]

Americans need to go crazy in their country as much as they want. Just keep your hands off Europe. Any smart European leader needs to scale back on relations to the US as much as they can.

:roll:

Europe is a social disaster far greater than what you see from the commonly-weird blue-hairs shaking out here on T.V. You and your anti-American sentiment veiled in "assumed truth statements". :)

[Andrew NDB]

Europe, AKA: "A Cautionary Tale"™.

[Barkworm]

In all seriousness, what are the problems we have, according to Americans? Of course, I do know what's wrong here but I'm interested in what you assume our problems are.

[Prowler]

I can only speak in detail about my own country. We have lots of problems, sadly. Too many to name here and I don't know where to begin, let alone know the full details or the solutions to them.

I won't go into other European countries issues. I'll have my ideas about them but that doesn't mean I know what I'm talking about.

One of my closest online friends is Polish. He's told me A LOT of things that have been going on in his country. All I can do is listen and try to understand. But I'm not Polish nor do I understand the society and culture, so I can't really add any input...

[ToTheNines]

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One of the best solos ever.

[Andrew NDB]

In all seriousness, what are the problems we have, according to Americans? Of course, I do know what's wrong here but I'm interested in what you assume our problems are.

"Suicidal empathy," probably at the root. And a seemingly rapidly evaporating cultural identity, whether you're talking about Ireland or Scotland or London. That's all I hear from guys over there. Oh, and "knife crime" and knife buyback programs. :lol:

[IMJ]

"Suicidal empathy," probably at the root. And a seemingly rapidly evaporating cultural identity, whether you're talking about Ireland or Scotland or London. That's all I hear from guys over there. Oh, and "knife crime" and knife buyback programs. :lol:

The anti-American position is so guarded that he needs to give us the personal litmus test of examples to see if he has a chance of non-concession.

BlW8rblRbMw?si=ghqCwpxCYfT5EGia

One of the best solos ever.

I love Santanna. We saw him at a terrible venue though - this Chicago area park where you pay to get in but can rarely make it into the actual ampitheater so you have to 'experience' the concert by hearing it from a distance rather than seeing the performance - even though you pay for it. Very annoying.

[Prowler]

IMJ's definition of anti-americanism seems to be "any foreigner who dares criticise the US of A." Look, I know Americans, in general, are super patriotic to a meme-like status, but just because you love your own country yourselves that doesn't mean foreigners have to love it as well, OK? The world doesn't revolve around you. There's 197 or so different countries on Earth and some of them are pretty patriotic themselves as well.

Would you just walk to someone in, let's say, South Korea claiming their country is the greatest in the world and say "ACTUALLY, NO! THE US IS THE BEST AND YOU'RE A FOOL IF YOU THINK OTHERWISE! KOREA? SAMSUNG'S GOT NOTHING ON AMERICA!"?

Also, Andrew seems to be reducing Europe to London, Ireland and Scotland. And making fun of knife crime when the US has plenty of issues with mass shootings, including school shootings... pot meet kettle?

BlW8rblRbMw?si=ghqCwpxCYfT5EGia

One of the best solos ever.

What about this song by Europe?

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[ranger_scout]

Footage of the ICE agent's video in Minneappolis has been released. Renee Good was trying to run him over.

https://x.com/AlphaNews/status/2009679932289626385?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E2009679932289626385%7Ctwgr% 5E923c46dd5e0ff9b5d0b3eddecf08e4ec7ec35198%7Ctwcon %5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.breitbart.com%2Ft%2Fasse ts%2Fhtml%2Ftweet-5.html2009679932289626385

[Mayhem]

I don't recall us ever crossing paths, Mat. Maybe at San D ages ago?
Yeah it was SDCC, you signed and doodled in my Visual History copy.

In all seriousness, what are the problems we have, according to Americans? Of course, I do know what's wrong here but I'm interested in what you assume our problems are.
I’m putting money on no free speech and too many immigrants/Muslims.

[Prowler]

They haven't visited other countries, they're what we call Ameripoors so they don't know what it's actually like living in Europe.
Is it really that expensive for Americans to fly across the Atlantic compared to Europeans? Don't Americans make a lot of money on average, especially middle class and above ones? And yet they cannot afford trips to Italy or France like the Germans, Dutch, Brits and Scandinavians can easily afford trips to Thailand or Bali? That's odd...

...or maybe they just don't want to travel abroad due to lack of interest or knowledge about foreign countries besides what Fox News might tell them?

[ToTheNines]

Footage of the ICE agent's video in Minneappolis has been released. Renee Good was trying to run him over.

https://x.com/AlphaNews/status/2009679932289626385?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E2009679932289626385%7Ctwgr% 5E923c46dd5e0ff9b5d0b3eddecf08e4ec7ec35198%7Ctwcon %5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.breitbart.com%2Ft%2Fasse ts%2Fhtml%2Ftweet-5.html2009679932289626385

She’s very clearly turning hard to the right while the guy who exits an unmarked Nissan Titan wearing no badge and a balaclava over his face rips at her door handle and angrily screams expletives her.

She was clearly terrified and the shooter saw that she was a scrawny woman before drawing his weapon.

[Daytona]

Leftist can say whatever they want but the world sees the footage now and this story will be dropped by Tuesday, thank god. She did it to herself.

[Coola Yagami]

Leftist can say whatever they want but the world sees the footage now and this story will be dropped by Tuesday, thank god. She did it to herself.

Nobody really cares until it happens to them.

[member_removed]

In all seriousness, what are the problems we have, according to Americans? Of course, I do know what's wrong here but I'm interested in what you assume our problems are.

You asked an open-ended question to explain his POV?

Don't expect an answer.

[Andrew NDB]

Nobody really cares until it happens to them.

Something tells me none of us are in any imminent danger because none of us are going around blocking law enforcement with our cars then speeding out when encircled by them. But yes, clearly we're all equally imperiled somehow.

[ToTheNines]

Aw man, the tags are gone lol

[Autbot_Benz]

She’s very clearly turning hard to the right while the guy who exits an unmarked Nissan Titan wearing no badge and a balaclava over his face rips at her door handle and angrily screams expletives her.

She was clearly terrified and the shooter saw that she was a scrawny woman before drawing his weapon.

Finally someone gets it:roll:

[CyberCubed]

Criminals shall pay for their crimes.

So it is written, so it shall be done.

[Barkworm]

The anti-American position is so guarded that he needs to give us the personal litmus test of examples to see if he has a chance of non-concession.

A chance of non-concession against whom? You? In this section, there's never been a post by you with ANY substance whatsoever. You're just hiding behind big words but when it comes to some plain old facts, there's nothing. Just attempts at intimidation through eloquence.
At least, Andrew provided some actual thoughts.

Not that the ones that travel are much better, I'm sure you're aware American tourists have terrible réputations[...]
Reminds of how we went to an Italian restaurant once and there was a family of American tourists. When they paid the bill, the mother gave the owner a big smile and said "GRACIAS!". The owner's face was priceless.

[Mayhem]

Footage of the ICE agent's video in Minneappolis has been released. Renee Good was trying to run him over.

https://x.com/AlphaNews/status/2009679932289626385?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E2009679932289626385%7Ctwgr% 5E923c46dd5e0ff9b5d0b3eddecf08e4ec7ec35198%7Ctwcon %5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.breitbart.com%2Ft%2Fasse ts%2Fhtml%2Ftweet-5.html2009679932289626385
There are multiple claims from various sources this has been AI edited. I can see why they are saying it, he’s on the floor too fast and no sound of any obvious gunshots? I’ve fired plenty guns in my time, they are loud.

[Prowler]

Kinda funny to see sdp making fun of "Ameripoors" when he's an American himself. :lol: You think the people around the globe who mock/dislike Americans will not think of you as one of those "dumb Americans" as well, or something? Because they most definitely will. Also, I've seen you exhibit traits of American ignorance and exceptionalism several times throughout the years on these forums and the Discord server as well, mate. ;)



Reminds of how we went to an Italian restaurant once and there was a family of American tourists. When they paid the bill, the mother gave the owner a big smile and said "GRACIAS!". The owner's face was priceless.

That's not so bad... that woman would have been slapped here in Portugal if she said "GRACIAS!" to one of us.

Native Spanish speakers can say it to us because we think they're dumb for not understanding our language at all while we can mostly understand what they say, so we give them a pass for not knowing the word "obrigado". So if you ever end up in Portugal, sdp, you can say "gracias" as long as you make it clear you're Mexican. We'll let that one slide.

Same way German speakers can get away with saying "Dankeschön" in the Netherlands and Flanders but the rest of the world... nah lol

[ToTheNines]

They prefer to travel in the US, which as big as it is is all pretty much the same culture wise even if the landscapes can change s bit. So they're suck in this bubble

I know you’re just trying to get a big reaction out of our republican pals, but this part is so true.

I travel all over and there’s like zero difference in culture anywhere, thanks to the internet. All the same corporate chains everywhere. Most young men are either broccoli cut wiggers or fake blue collar Morgan Wallen clones. Most young women are basic, sucking on their Stanley cups.

The only state I’ve felt has a unique identity is Alaska.

[Prowler]

I know you’re just trying to get a big reaction out of our republican pals, but this part is so true.

I travel all over and there’s like zero difference in culture anywhere, thanks to the internet. All the same corporate chains everywhere. Most young men are either broccoli cut wiggers or fake blue collar Morgan Wallen clones. Most young women are basic, sucking on their Stanley cups.

The only state I’ve felt has a unique identity is Alaska.

Well, all countries have their own regional differences. I'd not be surprised if a huge country like USA had some significant differences among its regions/states, but are they any bigger than the cultural differences between different German states, different Italian regions, Wallonia and Flanders in Belgium, etc? Hard to "measure" this kind of stuff, anyway.

I understand Americans emphasising the diversity of their own country, but it's not particularly unique. Seems rather standard for the typical "New World" country. Canada, Brazil, Argentina, Australia, New Zealand, Peru, Mexico, etc. are also all pretty diverse countries themselves.

FWIW, I remember reading somewhere years ago that the most diverse country on Earth might very well Papua New Guinea. Lots of African countries are also extremely diverse. Outsiders might not realise it because they just look at the people in those countries and simply just see a bunch of black people. They don't see that those black people are divided in many different tribes with different customs and languages. There's a reason why Africa has had plenty of civil wars, ethnic massacres and genocides after African countries achieved independence from European countries in the 20th century.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Muslim countries are pretty diverse too. It's quite fascinating, I've seen people in Pakistan who are black as Africans but also white as Europeans, and the cultural practices differ radically from region to region despite the religion being almost entirely Muslim.

I'm currently in the United Arab Emirates for holiday and the country is almost entirely composed of immigrants of different cultures (Indians, Pakistanis, Brits, Filipinos, Russians, Nigerians etc.) and despite the name, only a minority of the population is Arab.

Of course, I'm not a fan of the universal Corporate Culture everywhere. It is always a stain on places with otherwise great people and it makes American people look bad in particular.

Every American immigrant I've met in New Zealand has been a fantastic person, and hates how their country only seems to be known around the world for its corrupt politicians, greedy corporations and never-ending wars. It's a shame that even when they avoid these topics, it gets brought up to them one way or the other.

[Mayhem]

Well, all countries have their own regional differences. I'd not be surprised if a huge country like USA had some significant differences among its regions/states, but are they any bigger than the cultural differences between different German states, different Italian regions, Wallonia and Flanders in Belgium, etc? Hard to "measure" this kind of stuff, anyway.
You can go ten miles here and encounter a new accent and vocab. Ludicrous number of dialects and regional variations.

[Mayhem]

Roger Roger Mr De Santis….?


https://i.ibb.co/9k59JsSF/IMG-8454.jpg

[Andrew NDB]

Yes, "a mob" and not "law enforcement." I know these two things seem confusingly similar to you for some reason.

[Prowler]

Muslim countries are pretty diverse too. It's quite fascinating, I've seen people in Pakistan who are black as Africans but also white as Europeans, and the cultural practices differ radically from region to region despite the religion being almost entirely Muslim.

I'm currently in the United Arab Emirates for holiday and the country is almost entirely composed of immigrants of different cultures (Indians, Pakistanis, Brits, Filipinos, Russians, Nigerians etc.) and despite the name, only a minority of the population is Arab.

Of course, I'm not a fan of the universal Corporate Culture everywhere. It is always a stain on places with otherwise great people and it makes American people look bad in particular.

Every American immigrant I've met in New Zealand has been a fantastic person, and hates how their country only seems to be known around the world for its corrupt politicians, greedy corporations and never-ending wars. It's a shame that even when they avoid these topics, it gets brought up to them one way or the other.

Funny to read this since recently you mentioned you didn't really like traveling much, nor were very eager to do so in the future. :P

It does seem like when you move to a foreign country, people see you as a representative or spokesperson for your entire country and its actions. Sounds really unfair. And it's possibly worse for Americans since their nation is on the news 24/7 pretty much anywhere in the world.

Some people just literally cannot "escape" their own nationality when abroad. Americans, Chinese, Indians; to name a few...

[CyberCubed]

Most of the time I genuinely forget all those European countries exist. To me Europe is like something you learned in history class or see in movies/TV shows set in medieval times or in fantasy like Game of Thrones or Lord of the Rings or something. I keep having to remind myself these countries still exist in the real world.

[Prowler]

Most of the time I genuinely forget all those European countries exist. To me Europe is like something you learned in history class or see in movies/TV shows set in medieval times or in fantasy like Game of Thrones or Lord of the Rings or something. I keep having to remind myself these countries still exist in the real world.

Well, when you grow up in a country that's like 25 years old and is made of plastic it's no wonder you find it hard to believe that countries with actual culture, castles, palaces, cathedrals and other classy old buildings exist. ;)

[ToTheNines]

They hate us cause they ain’t us!

[Andrew NDB]

"A century+ ago our now-dwindling culture used to build cool stuff!"

Not exactly the greatest example of any kind of status update of anywhere today.

[Stu_Padasso]

Footage of the ICE agent's video in Minneappolis has been released. Renee Good was trying to run him over.

https://x.com/AlphaNews/status/2009679932289626385?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E2009679932289626385%7Ctwgr% 5E923c46dd5e0ff9b5d0b3eddecf08e4ec7ec35198%7Ctwcon %5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.breitbart.com%2Ft%2Fasse ts%2Fhtml%2Ftweet-5.html2009679932289626385

I’m not entirely convinced that she was intentionally trying to run him over. But it’s still a bad move on her part.

If you have a negative experience with law enforcement: SHUT UP AND LAWYER UP. Don’t make things worse for yourself.

Or better yet, try to avoid putting yourself in that situation in the first place.

[ranger_scout]

New evidence shows that the anti-ICE agitator was stalking and impending a law enforcement operation over the course of the morning.

https://x.com/DHSgov/status/2010074554258075966

[Mayhem]

The guy at the centre of this, Jonathan Ross, has been an ICE agent for ten years, has 35 use of excessive force dockets on his record, and trains other ICE agents (!). Maybe not surprising he acted that way then. Oh and apparently in a Ross Geller moment, his first wife left him and became a lesbian, snacking up with another woman. So he’s probably pissed at them too.

Yes, "a mob" and not "law enforcement." I know these two things seem confusingly similar to you for some reason.
Law enforcement going around acting like a mob? Seems very similar from a lot of the videos. Certainly going around causing trouble to ordinary legal people too.

[ZariusTwo]

Also Johnathan Ross.

No relation.

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BNTNlZWQ3MmQtYzRiMC00M2E1LWEzYzEtMGNiMDQ4MjFjOG I4XkEyXkFqcGc@._V1_QL75_UY281_CR155,0,190,281_.jpg

[Autbot_Benz]

New evidence shows that the anti-ICE agitator was stalking and impending a law enforcement operation over the course of the morning.

https://x.com/DHSgov/status/2010074554258075966

Not believing anything posted by noem’s dhs twitter probably more lies about Nicole Good too

[Prowler]

Anyway, I often see American complaining about their police force online. Are cops really that bad and lacking proper training in the US as people say they are or is it mostly the internet exaggerating things like it often does? Because I've seen Americans describing their cops as pretty much gang members who are rude and aggressive to everyone and don't know how to deescalate situations, and basically hunt black people for sport.

Sounds a little too cartoony to me...

[ranger_scout]

CNN exposed its bias when a far-left protester walked up to a reporter asking who she was, and she let them know a network they can trust and it's OK. Then she thanks the protestor for their help, and they immediately walk away from her. I'm sure if she would've been with Fox News, the protestor would've harrased her.

https://x.com/overton_news/status/2008970051668303995?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E2008970051668303995%7Ctwgr% 5E75776b1a848742263f95548c849dec2bd881d824%7Ctwcon %5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftownhall.com%2Ftipsheet%2Fma ttvespa%2F2026%2F01%2F11%2Fwatch-what-happens-when-this-leftist-protester-accosts-a-cnn-reporter-in-minneapolis-n2669284

[IndigoErth]

I'm sure if she would've been with Fox News, the protestor would've harrased her.

Let's not pretend it isn't likely that it can go both ways if the protestor and news source are political opposites, no matter which is which.


protester walked up to a reporter asking who she was

So it sounds like the reporter was approached uninvited by someone who is potentially feeling a bit aggressive and the reporter, as a human being, said things to help make that person go away. I don't see the problem.

[Mayhem]

Anyway, I often see American complaining about their police force online. Are cops really that bad and lacking proper training in the US as people say they are or is it mostly the internet exaggerating things like it often does?
Maybe that’s the type of person being recruited as much as the training?

Anyhow, to compare the average US cop gets 21 weeks training. The average British officer will get 42 weeks training and take two years before they qualify out of probation.

[Andrew NDB]

https://i.ibb.co/F4Jf3wrq/FB-IMG-1768183290948.jpg

[ToTheNines]

https://i.ibb.co/F4Jf3wrq/FB-IMG-1768183290948.jpg

If this is meant to draw the comparison I assume it is, the Palestinian casualties dwarf Iranian casualties. Particularly the demographics of women and small children.

Also, this is being used as an excuse for the US to go be Team America and attack Iran over it. The exact opposite of that happened with Israel.

You do realize people protest Israel here because we’re their main financial backer, right? What sense would it make to protest an American enemy here in the States?

[FredWolfLeonardo]

https://i.ibb.co/F4Jf3wrq/FB-IMG-1768183290948.jpg

Does Iran control USA?

How many times do we have to teach you this lesson, old man?

[Andrew NDB]

Something-something-Jewish-conspiracy, mumble mumble.

:roll:

[ToTheNines]

Something-something-Muslim-conspiracy, mumble mumble.

[Mayhem]

I'll have to go find the video again, but it was basically demonstrating the same account on X or FB posted a number of similar sentences of the form "We need to deport all XXX out of the US!". Absolutely no issues or flags raised from the platform in question when XXX was whites, blacks, gays, Muslims etc... until they used "jews" and then the post was flagged and the account temp suspended for going against community standards. If that's not an obvious ****ing bias, I don't know what is.

[ToTheNines]

Does Iran control USA?

How many times do we have to teach you this lesson, old man?

https://i.imgflip.com/ah5tr3.jpg

[Andrew NDB]

Something-something-Muslim-conspiracy, mumble mumble.

It's not really a conspiracy when they're very open and public about their intentions at every turn.

[ToTheNines]

It's not really a conspiracy when they're very open and public about their intentions at every turn.

The same could be said for your guys.

Shalom!

[Prowler]

I dunno how so many people can have the energy to get really involved in the whole Israel-Palestine conflict to the point of picking a side and defending it so strongly. I just don't have that kind of energy and I find it harder and harder to empathise with either side the older I get. Clearly both sides have done some indefensible things throughout the years and it's become an egg or chicken situation at this point.

They're both highly stubborn idiots and neither side seems truly interested in ending the conflict ever. By that, I mean, no one that's part of the leadership of either place seems to truly want to end things. Both claim the land is theirs and neither side wants to divide it. So they're just stuck in a forever perpetual state of war, I guess...

[ToTheNines]

Clearly both sides have done some indefensible things throughout the years and it's become an egg or chicken situation at this point.

Well the chicken leeches trillions of dollars from American taxpayers year after year and has a very powerful and sophisticated military/intelligence apparatus to shoot fish in a barrel with. The egg does not.

[Prowler]

Well the chicken leeches trillions of dollars from American taxpayers year after year and has a very powerful and sophisticated military/intelligence apparatus to shoot fish in a barrel with. The egg does not.

True, but as you can probably guess, the fact Israel drains money off the US is not exactly something that concerns me on a personal level. It's not "my money" that's funding their defense. So it's easier for me to be more apathetic about the whole ordeal. I'm sure Americans don't care about the civil war in Myanmar, for example, since they're not pumping money into it.

There are parts of the world that do not care for the Russian invasion of Ukraine either for similar reasons. It does not affect them directly. And back to Israel/Palestine, your average Korean and Japanese person does not care much for the conflict compared to other parts of the world either. They're not paying for it and they had no involvement in the creation of that either.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

If Trump's words are anything to go by, another attack on Iran is imminent.

Another huge waste of American Taxpayer money. No New Wars!

[Andrew NDB]

No New Wars!

I'm still waiting for the fighting to start in the last Iran war we started a few months ago. Is that going to start up anytime soon? The leftist media said it was a war.

Same with Venezuela. Should we expect the first Venezuela counter-offensive sometime soon? This week, maybe? Next? It's got to be the lamest war in history at this point.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

I'm still waiting for the fighting to start in the last Iran war we started a few months ago. Is that going to start up anytime soon? The leftist media said it was a war.

Same with Venezuela. Should we expect the first Venezuela counter-offensive sometime soon? This week, maybe? Next? It's got to be the lamest war in history at this point.

Read between the lines. No New Wars is also against provocations that can escalate like this one and the funding of others to fight those wars (Israel and Ukraine).

Are you super happy about what's about to happen or something? Amazing use of your taxpayer money, nowhere better to spend it?

[ToTheNines]

Yeah it was SDCC, you signed and doodled in my Visual History copy.

Wait a minute. Do you have our Andrew mixed up with Andrew Farago?

[Mayhem]

Wait a minute. Do you have our Andrew mixed up with Andrew Farago?
Yes I obviously am, too many Andrews making TMNT stuff :lol:

[CyberCubed]

True, but as you can probably guess, the fact Israel drains money off the US is not exactly something that concerns me on a personal level. It's not "my money" that's funding their defense. So it's easier for me to be more apathetic about the whole ordeal. I'm sure Americans don't care about the civil war in Myanmar, for example, since they're not pumping money into it.
.

There's been what, constant civil wars in the African continent that nobody every talks about or cares about. I did a quick goole search and people over the last 10-15 years there have been dying, murdered, and killed on a daily basis. Entire families executed too.

It's really weird how the whole world just doesn't seem to care what happens in Africa (at least outside of Egypt I guess), while the middle east is always constantly brought up and of course now Russia.

[ToTheNines]

If y’all have the stomach for it, look up the first and second Liberian Civil Wars. Insane stuff. Hell on Earth.

[Prowler]

If y’all have the stomach for it, look up the first and second Liberian Civil Wars. Insane stuff. Hell on Earth.

So I've heard. Any good books you could recommend me about that subject, by the way?

[Mayhem]

Southern part of Africa doesn’t have nukes or mass weapons of long range destruction.


And file in the keep cant making it up…


https://i.ibb.co/tpnFN3YN/IMG-4033.jpg

[IMJ]

Southern part of Africa doesn’t have nukes or mass weapons of long range destruction.


And file in the keep cant making it up…


https://i.ibb.co/tpnFN3YN/IMG-4033.jpg

You use Nazi-styling routinely. You put "Mayhem" in your name which definitely describes Nazi violence.

1. Describing Nazi Violence
Authors and historians use the English word "mayhem" (which means violent disorder or chaos) in a descriptive sense when writing about Nazi actions and atrocities.
One source, in describing the events of Kristallnacht, notes that Nazi violence moved from "fists and clubs to the 'Final Solution' of genocide", contrasting the "comparatively modest mayhem" of early actions with the systematic, state-sponsored murder that followed.

Anarchism: associated "anarchism" with violence and mayhem

Extremist Groups: The term is used when describing violent extremist attack plots associated with both white supremacist groups and Salafi-jihadist movements

So by your own logic you are associating yourself and your political alignment with Nazism, anarchism and extremism.

Of course you'll reply with some routine deflection like "nice try" but it doesn't change the truth - it's right there in your name and all of your public writings for all to see. And just remember "Mayhem" you put all of this content out there that is associated with you.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

You use Nazi-styling routinely. You put "Mayhem" in your name which definitely describes Nazi violence.

So by your own logic you are associating yourself and your political alignment with Nazism, anarchism and extremism.

Of course you'll reply with some routine deflection like "nice try" but it doesn't change the truth - it's right there in your name and all of your public writings for all to see. And just remember "Mayhem" you put all of this content out there that is associated with you.

Look at all this woke Nazi labelling.

It's 2026, most people don't care about being called Nazis anymore.

[IMJ]

Look at all this woke Nazi labelling.

It's 2026, most people don't care about being called Nazis anymore.

If no one cares, then don't do it or imply. The left has no integrity - they just say whatever they want in hyperbole hoping that the rest of the chubby, awkwardly moving, arm-flailing titans come running with wide grins. Otherwise, pointing out these realities is clearly fair play - especially when true. Such as Mayhem's veiled Nazism.

[Andrew NDB]

It's 2026, most people don't care about talking about 4 mutant turtles living in a sewer, for cripes' sake.

C'mon, you were sooo close.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

If no one cares, then don't do it or imply. The left has no integrity - they just say whatever they want in hyperbole hoping that the rest of the chubby, awkwardly moving, arm-flailing titans come running with wide grins. Otherwise, pointing out these realities is clearly fair play - especially when true. Such as Mayhem's veiled Nazism.

I don't support Mayhem's post, but atleast it was addressed to the wider MAGA movement and not an individual here.

You outright calling Mayhem a Nazi is an even lower blow, and I frankly expect better from.you. Nazi-calling was a rubbish tactic from the start, but people now see it for what it is, an attempt to make people feel guilty and silence them into submission by tying them to a movement that existed more than 80 years ago.

[ToTheNines]

So I've heard. Any good books you could recommend me about that subject, by the way?

I saw a documentary that led me to checking out some articles and stuff. I’ll try to find the right one.

[Andrew NDB]

to the wider MAGA movement

"The wider MAGA movement" is pretty much a big hoot. You might as well say "the far right" for as much as that means anymore the way the media uses it. The far right from what?

[IMJ]

I don't support Mayhem's post, but atleast it was addressed to the wider MAGA movement and not an individual here.

You outright calling Mayhem a Nazi is an even lower blow, and I frankly expect better from.you. Nazi-calling was a rubbish tactic from the start, but people now see it for what it is, an attempt to make people feel guilty and silence them into submission by tying them to a movement that existed more than 80 years ago.

Nooo... not at all. :lol: There was no "low blow" at all. Only an observation supported by the same kind of correlation that people on the left make all the time, but even more supported by the researched language. There was no "pencil-whipped insult" - just using the same correlations that you and yours use in observation making.

I would only guide Mayhem and you with responses as tightly woven as what you choose to deliver routinely. I have no desire to "silence" anyone - I'd rather continue to point out double standards and to squash "mania" than silence people.

[TMNachoT]

Same with Venezuela. Should we expect the first Venezuela counter-offensive sometime soon? This week, maybe? Next? It's got to be the lamest war in history at this point.

Nahh. The Venezuelan Armed Forces lack both the capacity and the will to go to war against the United States. Army here is acting like is nothing happened. The guards of Maduro's allies will only attack if the U.S. military attempts to capture them, and I hope that happens soon.

[Andrew NDB]

Nahh. The Venezuelan Armed Forces lack both the capacity and the will to go to war against the United States. Army here is acting like is nothing happened. The guards of Maduro's allies will only attack if the U.S. military attempts to capture them, and I hope that happens soon.

But how can this be? I was told by the media and angry leftists that we are at war?

[ranger_scout]

Bill and Hillary Clinton are in big trouble now.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bill-hillary-clinton-risk-criminal-contempt-charges-after-defying-house-subpoenas-epstein-probe

https://www.cnn.com/2026/01/14/politics/clintons-house-oversight-epstein-probe-contempt

[FredWolfLeonardo]

President Trump: 'We've heard that the killings in Iran have stopped, and they have no plan to execute protesters'

Is Trump trying to avoid a strike? Only time will tell.

[ToTheNines]

Bill and Hillary Clinton are in big trouble now.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bill-hillary-clinton-risk-criminal-contempt-charges-after-defying-house-subpoenas-epstein-probe

https://www.cnn.com/2026/01/14/politics/clintons-house-oversight-epstein-probe-contempt

Lmao, no they’re not. It’s hilarious that you think that.

[TMNachoT]

But how can this be? I was told by the media and angry leftists that we are at war?

Hahahah! No, we are not at war, at least not here in Venezuela.

[Mayhem]

I see the tags are back :lol:

So by your logic IMJ, anyone named Adolf is automatically a nazi? Or having the surname Goerring or Goebbels? There’s a reason I’ve always used MAGA and not Republicans because not all GoP supports are MAGA. Some don’t like Trump either.

[Andrew NDB]

https://i.imgur.com/ub6Rn1A.jpeg

Well that's a big reach.

The left is "Wear a mask that won't protect you and get a vaccine that won't protect you and then you won't die from something that has a 99.9% chance of not killing you anyway" vs. the right's, "When you're committing a crime by blocking law enforcement and traffic with your 2 ton vehicle and are told orders by law enforcement and maybe thinking about hitting the gas, comply and you won't die."

Not that there's much point in hand-holding sdp to understand those pesky things like basic logic or reality.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Both the Left and Right are right about compliance being necessary, whether its COVID or ICE.

But both managed to make themselves so deeply unpopular while trying to get said compliance, often employing brutal methods and not making any attempts at good PR.

Authority figures should be inspiring and charismatic, they should make you want to follow them wholeheartedly and yet here we are. You can only obey people you hate for so long.

[Andrew NDB]

Authority figures should be inspiring and charismatic, they should make you want to follow them wholeheartedly and yet here we are. You can only obey people you hate for so long.

I know you've said you really want one but relax, you're not going to see a dictator over here. It's best to let that go.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

I know you've said you really want one but relax, you're not going to see a dictator over here. It's best to let that go.

I didn't even mention dictator in that post, just authority figures being charismatic and inspiring. Are you against that too?

[Andrew NDB]

I didn't even mention dictator in that post, just authority figures being charismatic and inspiring. Are you against that too?

I think there can be a danger in charisma if there isn't enough good sense behind it. Like how Obama dragged us face-first into race and identity politics in his second term when we'd long since evolved past all that stuff as a nation, at large. Or how Gavin Newsom in California can smarm his way into getting just about whatever he wants done in California.

A good communicator, for sure. No matter which side of aisle they're from.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Well, the people themselves choose whoever to follow. I don't blame Obama singlehandedly for whatever direction America took back then, he was enabled by the masses giving their approval and believing in those same ideals.

To bring it back to the Dictatorship example, a Dictator can only remain in power effectively if he has a certain amount of genuine popular support. If they go against the will of the people too much, they will be overthrown.

[Mayhem]

Because Imgur is blocked in the UK, I have to use a proxy to see uploads hah.

Also the people complaining about having to wear a mask in 2020 now scream it’s perfectly fine for people to be wearing them, and vice versa.


The left is "Wear a mask that won't protect you and get a vaccine that won't protect you and then you won't die from something that has a 99.9% chance of not killing you anyway" vs. the right's, "When you're committing a crime by blocking law enforcement and traffic with your 2 ton vehicle and are told orders by law enforcement and maybe thinking about hitting the gas, comply and you won't die."
I’ll spell it out again. The mask thing wasn’t to protect you getting infected, it was to protect everyone else from anything you might have. Thus it only worked effectively if the vast majority of the public masked up. Proven by the fact that in the winter (summer?) of 2020 in Australia, their flu rates plummeted too. Because of the mask wearing. The vaccine protected you by mitigating the most serious symptoms of COVID. Vaccines DO NOT stop you getting infected, never have. And while the vast majority of people who did get COVID survived (the death rate was 2% but that still translates to 1.3M deaths), it’s going to be another 10 or more years until we see the real fallout from very long term side effects or long COVID symptoms.

[CyberCubed]

I get a flu shot every year, this forum opened my eyes when most people here admitted they never got their annual flu shots every winter season when they refused to take covid shots too.

I guess this is what life is like, "on the other side." I'm glad I was raised in educated NYC.

[Mayhem]

Here, generally only the old, immune compromised or “at risk” groups are offered flu jabs. You can still get one if you pay for it though.

[Andrew NDB]

I’ll spell it out again. The mask thing wasn’t to protect you getting infected, it was to protect everyone else from anything you might have. Thus it only worked effectively if the vast majority of the public masked up. Proven by the fact that in the winter (summer?) of 2020 in Australia, their flu rates plummeted too. Because of the mask wearing. The vaccine protected you by mitigating the most serious symptoms of COVID. Vaccines DO NOT stop you getting infected, never have. And while the vast majority of people who did get COVID survived (the death rate was 2% but that still translates to 1.3M deaths), it’s going to be another 10 or more years until we see the real fallout from very long term side effects or long COVID symptoms.

Wow, you (still) really feel passionately about authoritative COVID policies. :)

But no, masks did nothing that weren't N95-caliber masks that were worn properly 100% of the time. Cloth masks tended to do more harm than good if anything at all. The 6 foot thing, all of that stuff from "your people" has been long debunked.

[Mayhem]

But no, masks did nothing that weren't N95-caliber masks that were worn properly 100% of the time. Cloth masks tended to do more harm than good if anything at all. The 6 foot thing, all of that stuff from "your people" has been long debunked.
The data from Australia at the time completely disputes the “debunking”.

We never had “authoritative” COVID policies here. Australia and Singapore did, and it’s stark the difference in covid deaths in those two countries compared to elsewhere. However the populations there suffered in other ways, so swings and roundabouts re the most appropriate responses.

[Andrew NDB]

Oh, the UK... such the bastion of "Free speech." But they built cathedrals 200 years ago so they're the gold standard, right?

[Andrew NDB]

You realize that 23states in the US (most if not all are red states) also have similar laws that were passed for "protecting the children" and sites are being blocked starting since January 1st just like the UK. You can't quite claim the higher ground there buddy :tlol:

You mean porno sites?

[Prowler]

I see the tags are back :lol:

So by your logic IMJ, anyone named Adolf is automatically a nazi? Or having the surname Goerring or Goebbels? There’s a reason I’ve always used MAGA and not Republicans because not all GoP supports are MAGA. Some don’t like Trump either.
Hell, there's a French footballer named Willem Geubbels. Close enough to Goebbels :P

Because Imgur is blocked in the UK, I have to use a proxy to see uploads hah.

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Imgur is blocked in the UK?! Why?!

I get a flu shot every year, this forum opened my eyes when most people here admitted they never got their annual flu shots every winter season when they refused to take covid shots too.

I guess this is what life is like, "on the other side." I'm glad I was raised in educated NYC.

I have all of my vaccines up to date. Yes, including the tetanus shot you're supposed to get every 10 years. When you get it in your mid-20s, then you only need to get a new shot 20 years later. I doubt most people bother to renew their 10-20 year tetanus shot as adults, but I got mine, anyway. Why risk it? Then again, I live in a country that's generally very pro-vaccination. I'm glad my people are wise about one thing, at least!

They're both about age verification, and yes those terms can be expanded on what sites qualify. it always starts "just the bad ones" and then you see stuff like imgur being banned because you can put nudes there.
Discord drove me nuts with that ****. I had to use VPNs to bypass blocks but, after a while, even that was no longer working. I had to cave in and let the app scan my face. It was either that or send them a picture of my ID and obviously I was not gonna do that.

Other than that, things are fine here in Portugal. I can access all the major porn sites without any issues. I know Twitter last year was censoring tweets deemed NSFW for European users for a couple of weeks, but then it stopped doing that.

[Mayhem]

But I'm curious, what sites the UK desides to just block.
It was the same bollocks about protecting against pornography, online places that could host adult material are required to age check (literally, via scans of official documents) that users in the UK are 18+. Some chose not to implement that process and now block UK users from accessing the site (or in the case of Imgur, any of its content).

But effectively what you then said about 23 of the 50 US states. Needless to say use of VPNs skyrocketed after porn sites were blocked and people didn’t feel like giving their details to unverified third party checking companies.

I’ve not had to do anything re using Discord though.

Oh, the UK... such the bastion of "Free speech." But they built cathedrals 200 years ago so they're the gold standard, right?
We don’t have “free speech” written into any bill, but we do have “freedom of expression”, which is pretty much the same thing. Unless you are doing something illegal, like threatening violence, racist hate speech, or inciting others to commit crime.

People bitch that we don’t have free speech here any more, well, the same rules apply online as they do if you said it directly to someone’s face in person. Those that complain the most about being infringed are usually the ones wanting to scream the racist, hateful words and not face any consequences for it.

I repeatedly see the same ******** graph posted on social media about the Uk making 12k odd arrests for social media posts. Most of these were not public posts that you and I could view. Most were DMs to people for exactly the same illegal things as above, plus threats of sexual violence, stalking, harassment, blackmail and further.

[Prowler]

Well, usually when I hear of that kind of stuff regarding the UK, it's related to someone insulting a black player in Premier League club or England's national team. Whether it's at the stadium or on social media. Thing about social media is that a lot of those people throwing racist insults live nowhere near the UK. They're angry betters from Asia or Latin America who lost money in a football bet and then unleash their frustrations on a black player of they team the bet on if they think he's responsible for that team not winning that game. The Uk cannot arrest someone in India, Thailand, Chile or Nicaragua for saying something racist online, obviously.

Anyway, I don't think people should be arrested just for making racist remarks. According to the Portuguese law, there's nothing illegal about being racist per se. A person can openly say "I am a racist. I don't like black people and Gypsies" and that's legally fine. Racism only gets legally persecuted here, if a person uses it, for example, to deny serving a person in a shop because of their race or if a landlord blatantly admits they don't want to rent their place to a person of a certain ethnic background.

When it comes to, let's say, Holocaust denial, it is a crime in some European countries. Not sure whether it is here in Portugal or not, to be honest. But I've literally never met a Holocaust denier in my life here, neither have I heard of someone being arrested for making a statement denying the Holocaust, so I dunno...

[Andrew NDB]

I have all of my vaccines up to date. Yes, including the tetanus shot you're supposed to get every 10 years. When you get it in your mid-20s, then you only need to get a new shot 20 years later.

Really? I've never heard that. As far as I've been aware around here a tetanus shot is just something you get AFTER you step on a rusty nail or something that might give pause. Not as a preventative before any hypothetical incident happens. Maybe this is more worrisome in other countries.

We don’t have “free speech” written into any bill, but we do have “freedom of expression”, which is pretty much the same thing. Unless you are doing something illegal, like threatening violence, racist hate speech

Oop, there it is there. And just who determines what "hate speech" is?

[Prowler]

Really? I've never heard that. As far as I've been aware around here a tetanus shot is just something you get AFTER you step on a rusty nail or something that might give pause. Not as a preventative before any hypothetical incident happens. Maybe this is more worrisome in other countries.



Oop, there it is there. And just who determines what "hate speech" is?

Tetanus vaccine was compulsory to enroll in school when I was a kid. Dunno if that's still the case. And I haven't heard of anyone getting tetanus ever. And rusty nails? That's not the only way you can get tetanus. All it takes is a big enough wound to get infected. It's rare but why risk it? You can get it if you, let's say, fall on the ground off a bike and get big enough cuts on your face and body that make you bleed significantly. Because tetanus might be living on the soil/ground that touched your wound.

More worrisome in some countries? What, you think the US is tetanus free or something? Don't be silly :lol: You're not even rabies free, like the majority of European countries, Japan, Australia and New Zealand are, for example. My country hasn't had a native rabies case since 1960 or so. Someone died of rabies in 2011 here, but they got infected in Guinea-Bissau, a very poor African country.

[member_removed]

We don’t have “free speech” written into any bill, but we do have “freedom of expression”, which is pretty much the same thing. Unless you are doing something illegal, like threatening violence, racist hate speech, or inciting others to commit crime.






Oop, there it is there. And just who determines what "hate speech" is?

Mayhem's post mentioned "racist hate speech".

You even went to the effort to embolden hate speech, and not the racist part. When you quoted him.

Stop cherry picking his points and being intellectually dishonest.



If you don't know what racism is, that's on you.

[Andrew NDB]

Mayhem's post mentioned "racist hate speech".

You even went to the effort to embolden hate speech, and not the racist part. When you quoted him.

Stop cherry picking his points and being intellectually dishonest.



If you don't know what racism is, that's on you.

There is no difference, since who decides all that?

[Barkworm]

Mayhem's post mentioned "racist hate speech".

You even went to the effort to embolden hate speech, and not the racist part. When you quoted him.

Stop cherry picking his points and being intellectually dishonest.



If you don't know what racism is, that's on you.

According to Andrew, it doesn't exist in the US.

[Andrew NDB]

According to Andrew, it doesn't exist in the US.

It does not. As soon as you introduce any sort of "hate speech" laws you lose free speech, since now you have opened the doors to people deciding what that is and isn't. And people getting arrested and jailed for bad Tweets, as happens daily in the UK. We don't have any of that stuff here.

[Andrew NDB]

you've never even travelled abroad. You are what we call Ameripoors. Lots of opinions about other countries you have never travelled to. Andres, por favor, deja de hacer el ridiculo en el techno dromo para los celibes involuntarios.

Are you even a real person? Lately you're just reaching into the hat and pulling out one of the same 5 things you say to everyone here, no matter what the OP is. Get some new material.

[Mayhem]

Oop, there it is there. And just who determines what "hate speech" is?
The people in charge. But they are slightly more competent than your lot. And that hasn’t really changed much regardless of who has been in charge here, whatever political affiliation.

Effectively it covers anything that if you said it directly to someone else’s face, you’d probably get punched in the face back. Right now, that most certainly isnt the case as per the US, where people are getting rounded up and hounded for criticising or commenting anything negative against the orange dementia manbaby. See, I can say that and not be affected, but you can’t, if the outcome from the Ford plant worker is anything to go by.

But thank you for proving my point that people want to say whatever they want, no matter how despicable and nasty, and not face any action against them. And no, X is a cesspit of propaganda right wing bots, people aren’t getting arrested daily here for tweets. As I noted, the majority of arrests are for using the messaging systems of various social media platforms to threaten and harass.

[ToTheNines]

The people in charge. But they are slightly more competent than your lot. And that hasn’t really changed much regardless of who has been in charge here, whatever political affiliation.


You parliament is as full of pedophiles as our Congress is. If not more.

[IMJ]

But thank you for proving my point that people want to say whatever they want, no matter how despicable and nasty, and not face any action against them.

I'd say that you've described your own behavior here rather succinctly, actually. You say despicable nonsense and use framing and narrative-implication all the time. It's deeply offensive, but you and people like you rely on "the spin" when you are confronted with it.

Really? I've never heard that. As far as I've been aware around here a tetanus shot is just something you get AFTER you step on a rusty nail or something that might give pause. Not as a preventative before any hypothetical incident happens. Maybe this is more worrisome in other countries.

I think you are supposed to get a Tetanus shot every so often, but the truth is that most people only get one when brought into the ER for some kind of laceration or puncture wound.

Mayhem's post mentioned "racist hate speech".

You even went to the effort to embolden hate speech, and not the racist part. When you quoted him.

Stop cherry picking his points and being intellectually dishonest.



If you don't know what racism is, that's on you.

Exactly.

Most of the positions here - like FredWolfLeonardo's framing in his rant earlier - are just a manipulation to harm by projecting "limited virtue" hoping that someone else falls for it and imposes the harm. Much of this conversation is being held by the same kind of people you work in some low-level job with and your values clash with their life-anger and they start to frame anything they can so as to "get you in trouble".

Intellectual dishonesty generally rules this thread completely when most of the "left" here posts.

But it only works though when "leadership" is dumber or more easily manipulated than the poster doing the manipulating. Yet somehow in society we accept constant finger jabs but we what? Blow up at the person who stands firm and calls this BS out for what it is? Down with the gaslighter, down with the intellectually dishonest.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Most of the positions here - like FredWolfLeonardo's framing in his rant earlier - are just a manipulation to harm by projecting "limited virtue" hoping that someone else falls for it and imposes the harm.

Oh right, I am the Puppet Master FredWolfLeonardo, manipulating others into causing harm with my supreme cunning :roll:

I'm the Don of this Juncture, I pull the strings around here!

[ToTheNines]

Chiming into the tetanus discussion: you are definitely supposed to get a TDAP vaccine every 10 years.

[Mayhem]

You get immunised at least four times for tetanus here before 18 (mostly before two years old repeatedly), after that point it generally only happens if there’s a pressing need to get one following injury.

I'd say that you've described your own behavior here rather succinctly, actually. You say despicable nonsense and use framing and narrative-implication all the time. It's deeply offensive, but you and people like you rely on "the spin" when you are confronted with it.
Please enlighten me what’s actually “despicable” and anything illegal?

Meanwhile Trump is having a meltdown and hissy fit in imposing tariffs on those “nasty” countries stopping him from purchasing Greenland. He doesn’t get the message. ITS NOT FOR SALE! What Americans really want are unredacted Epstein files and less ICE sweeping up citizens…

[Prowler]

Chiming into the tetanus discussion: you are definitely supposed to get a TDAP vaccine every 10 years.

Yeah. I had a feeling that was the case in the US as well.

Anyway, "supposed" is the key word here. I have no statistics to back this up, but I'd not be surprised if over half of adults here in Portugal didn't bother "renewing" the tetanus vaccine every 10/20 years.

Tetanus and diphtheria vaccines are compulsory when you're a kid here in order to enroll in school. But once you're an adult and no longer in school, that no longer applies, obviously.

Also, the vaccine bulletin used to be a small paper booklet that a lot of people would lose or forget where they stored it after they became adults. With our national health service having a mobile app nowadays that has everyone's vaccination history with dates and all in it, it's easier to keep track of that. That's how I discovered that I was a few years behind my tetanus shot a while go. Last time I got a tetanus shot was when I was around 10-14, I believe. So, I should have gotten it at 24-25 again, but just kept forgetting about it and was also lazy, quite frankly, until one day I cut finger on a tuna can when I was in my late 20s and realised "perhaps it's time I get my overdue tetanus shot". And voilá.

[Andrew NDB]

You get immunised at least four times for tetanus here before 18 (mostly before two years old repeatedly), after that point it generally only happens if there’s a pressing need to get one following injury.

Maybe something like that around here. I have vague memories of getting lots of vaccine shots up to like age 12. But then nothing. And I certainly don't remember being told to come back and get a new tetanus shot later on but that doesn't mean that didn't happen. Somehow or other I've managed to survive various scrapes and pokes with stuff outdoors over the years so far.

I remember as a kid being scared to death of rusty nails. I remember my parents telling me my jaw would lock up, and that would be that for life! Conversely, I do remember friends stepping on nails and such being rushed to the hospital for tetanus shots.

[IndigoErth]

Every 10 years in this state. They aren't going to force you or send you a notice, but when I had a regular appointment and they saw I was due, it got done. It's not a bad one, no where near the side effect of the Covid shot, but that sucker stings pretty good.

Yeah, I remember the "rusty nail" thing, too. I don't think it's really due to it being rusty or a nail... but that a dirty nail, or other inconvenient object, if stepped on and enters the flesh would be a means of deep entry for the common and very nasty associated bacteria Clostridium tetani (okay I looked that part up, had no idea what bacteria until now) if it's present on it.

Apparently, the lockjaw is associated with the paralysis and other symptoms it can cause if you end up with a very possibly deadly infection from that bacteria.


I've got a great grandmother who died early after "an accident with a gate," which sounds so random... but I really suspect it may have been an infection like that that did it afterwards, back before the tetanus shot existed.

[Andrew NDB]

Oh no, I completely understand lockjaw is associated with rusty metal injuries and all. Probably the worst injury I've ever suffered was like right around 12. My buddies were too chicken so I dropped this great big rock over a neighbor's fence and pancaked this wasp nest... then ran like hell through the chain link gate and this barb ran through my whole arm. I ran and ran and ran and it felt like there was bees on my arm and I kept swatting at my arm... then I looked back and there was no bees, just a steady flow of blood dripping off of me.

Point is after that I wasn't super afraid. Now, if tomorrow I do step on a rusty nail? Of course I'm going in.

[Prowler]

Rust does not give you tetanus. That's a myth. If a rusty nail gives you tetanus, it's not because it's rusty. It's often because that rusty nail is outside lying on dirty soil and is contaminated with the bacteria that gives you tetanus. Being rusty or not is a non-factor. A "clean looking" silver nail on the ground might very well be loaded with bacteria as well. For all you know, it's been exposed to manure a few days ago but it "washed off" with rain or something. That does not kill the bacteria present in it.

https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/did-you-know/rust-doesnt-cause-tetanus

[IndigoErth]

That. I mean, if the rust is bad enough that it's crumbling and it leaves bits of it in you that probably isn't going to be great either, but which possibly infection-causing bacteria you may or may not become the host of is another matter.

I definitely learned from this topic though, thanks, making me go Google stuff for a min last night and see WHAT bacteria is to blame and now know that it's super common, so thank goodness a shot was developed... even if I tend to avoid needles as much as possible...


and this barb ran through my whole arm.
Visceral reaction there... ooh no no no.

Reminds me of a bigger version of the time I opened either a box of foil or plastic wrap, not knowing or considering where the toothed blade edge is, and ran my fingers right across it, multiple parallel cuts. Still gives me that queasy feeling to think about.

[Mayhem]

I’ve had barbed wire in me. Not run all the way down my arm though.

[ZariusTwo]

I’ve had barbed wire in me

Some of us could only dream of that in the day:D

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTTsovTVg_s6jnUF7h1Na2Zgx8HHDWvH QRyvA&s

[Mayhem]

Hah... I have met Pamela, she was very nice actually.

[ZariusTwo]

Starmer doesn't appear to be doing anything about the tariff threats, wanting to maintain the link between the states and Britain.

I did find it funny Good Morning Britain cut him off just to keep the housewives happy with Lorraine Kelly and her inane light entertainment chatter

[Prowler]

Hah... I have met Pamela, she was very nice actually.

How did you meet her? I know a guy who's met lots of famous people due to his job at Lisbon's airport. He met Christopher Lee a couple of years before he died even. He said he was very nice.

He hasn't met Pamela, but has met Shakira and she was also nice and surprisingly shy. He kinda felt bad when she asked him if he knew any of her songs and he said "Not really, no. Sorry."

[Mayhem]

How did you meet her?
She’s did a couple of cons in Europe maybe a decade ago.

[ranger_scout]

This is another reason why I don't plan on visiting St. Paul or Minneapolis in the near future. An anti-ICE raid happened during a church service.

https://www.newsweek.com/ice-minneapolis-church-protest-doj-investigation-11379776

[Mayhem]

Conversely I've seen a couple reports, one on camera, of pastors stating they've been approached by ICE for investigation. So even the church isn't immune.

[Autbot_Benz]

Today is officially 1 year of Dictator Don

[ToTheNines]

What is going on here? https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/trump-slams-uk-deal-to-hand-over-chagos-islands-after-he-previously-supported-it

I had a job here this year, but looks like maybe it’s cancelled lol

[ranger_scout]

Today is officially 1 year of Dictator Don

It's also been one year since a woman who was vice president and terrified me just as much as Ursula the Sea Witch from The Little Mermaid did when I was a little boy finally went back to the beaches of California where she belongs.

[Prowler]

I do think the boycotting American services/companies movement is a bit pointless, though.

Most people will not stop using Google services like Gmail, Google Search or Youtube. Or social media like Instagram.

They're not owned by the American government, anyway. And boycotting them will not make the orange twat leave his seat. So it seems like a waste of energy.

[Mayhem]

Danish pension funds divest $100M In US bonds over quarrel on Greenland.

Now this is a very small stone in a big pond. However... the Danish government itself controls $30B in bonds. If the government chooses to follow suit, that's a substantial ripple even though it "only" accounts for 0.4% of the total.

But you see someone blink and then there's the risk other governments may follow suit. The EU as a whole hold 27% of the total. If they all decide to divest, or the major players, kiss the US stock market goodbye.

[ranger_scout]

Lmao, no they’re not. It’s hilarious that you think that.

It sure looks like they are now. There's bipartisan support for it happening in these votes.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/house-takes-step-closer-referring-clintons-criminal-charges-democratic-support

[Mayhem]

Nicely done ICE, nicely done :lol:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/ice-deports-jewelry-heist-suspect-b2905236.html

[Mayhem]

A Jan. 6 cop staring down a man he says threatened to rape his kids is not the kind of scene Congress usually stages for cable news, but that is what unfolded on Capitol Hill today. Former D.C. officer Michael Fanone confronted far right activist Ivan Raiklin during a break in Jack Smith’s testimony, shouting that Raiklin had threatened his children and demanding he repeat it to his face, as officers including Harry Dunn stepped in and Fanone was ultimately escorted away. The clash unfolded just steps from a hearing Republicans hoped would turn Smith into the villain, only to have the focus yanked back to the real human cost of Trump’s post election crusade.

Fanone’s presence at the hearing was a walking indictment of the GOP’s effort to spin the January 6 investigation as some bloodless procedural overreach instead of a response to a violent attack that left real people broken in its wake. He is not an abstract talking point but the guy who was beaten, tased and left with a heart attack and traumatic brain injury while defending lawmakers from a mob unleashed by lies about a stolen election. When someone like that says a right wing influencer targeted his kids, it slices through the talking points and exposes how personal the stakes have become.

The moment also captured how fully parts of the MAGA movement have normalized cruelty as a political weapon, treating threats and harassment as just more content to feed the outrage machine. Raiklin is part of a constellation of election deniers and influencers who built careers on amplifying conspiracies about 2020 and casting the people who fought the mob as the real villains. Watching Fanone confront him in the halls of Congress felt less like a sideshow and more like a preview of the battle that is still raging over whose version of January 6 this country is going to believe.

[Mayhem]

Not surprised again… spin and lies…


https://i.ibb.co/LDWBb70f/IMG-4078.jpg

[Andrew NDB]

Nicely done ICE, nicely done :lol:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/ice-deports-jewelry-heist-suspect-b2905236.html

From Southern California? lol... the guy would have been let out the next day anyway.

[IMJ]

Some of us could only dream of that in the day:D

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTTsovTVg_s6jnUF7h1Na2Zgx8HHDWvH QRyvA&s

I'd rather be in the Barb Wire than have the Barb Wire in me, but that's just me. Everyone has their own thing, you know.

[Andrew NDB]

hiVxchUOnS0

[member_removed]

Trump Criticizes role of NATO ally trumps on their role in Afghanistan following 9/11.

He said the US had “never needed” NATO and claimed allied forces remained “a little off the front lines” during the Afghanistan conflict.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-01-24/european-veterans-outraged-over-trump-nato-troops-comments/106264332

It finally looks like Keir Stamer found his spine. That's an amazing achievement. Well done Trump. That's an achievement for his 2nd year.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

I don't have the energy to formulate my unique thoughts on Trump's comments right now, but an influencer I follow basically sums up my opinion on the matter:

Trump said that Europe didn't help enough in Afghanistan, which I think a sane person would take as a compliment.
Instead, in response, they're saying "I'll have you know we actually helped the USA destroy Afghanistan and massacre its people quite a lot"

[Andrew NDB]

I don't have the energy to formulate my unique thoughts on Trump's comments right now

Why would anyone bother doing that, though? Are you a newborn baby to the past 10 years or so? He says a lot of stuff.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Why would anyone bother doing that, though? Are you a newborn baby to the past 10 years or so? He says a lot of stuff.

Because Trump is a fascinating figure and I have a lot of fun discussing what he does.

[Mayhem]

Yeah everyone is pushing back on Trump’s comments. Ffs showing he’s even more of a disconnected shitgibbon dishonouring military losses. OUR lads were the only ones who went BEHIND lines to conduct operations. Sure, 2/3 of the losses in Afghanistan were US troops, but it’s accepted much of that was down to bad tactics and sloppy operations.

In other news, change of analysis in Trump’s hand bruising suggests it is also being used to pull fluid out of his body. We’ve all seen the shots of his swollen joints, it will be there to counter potential heart, lung, or kidney failure. After the lies and lies and more lies at Davos, an increasing number of people are thinking it can’t happen soon enough.

[Andrew NDB]

Yeah everyone is pushing back on Trump’s comments.

Holy sh**. It's almost like it's 2015, or 2014.

Or, you know. Every single year since. Or month. Or day. Or yesterday. Or 5 minutes ago. Amazing stuff here, guys.

[member_removed]

Holy sh**. It's almost like it's 2015, or 2014.

Or, you know. Every single year since. Or month. Or day. Or yesterday. Or 5 minutes ago. Amazing stuff here, guys.

Not that I expect an answer, do you agree with the Presidents opinion?

[Andrew NDB]

Not that I expect an answer

Do I have a pattern of not answering questions or something?

do you agree with the Presidents opinion?

On what?

[Mayhem]

Holy sh**. It's almost like it's 2015, or 2014.

Or, you know. Every single year since. Or month. Or day. Or yesterday. Or 5 minutes ago. Amazing stuff here, guys.
I mean specifically his comments about NATO troops not fighting in Afghanistan and that’s happening from his allies and Russian asset lackies (Farage, Rupert Lowe etc) as well here. He won’t apologise, we don’t expect him too, but the outrage is palpable on this dishonour.

[member_removed]

Do I have a pattern of not answering questions or something?

Point proven.

On what?


The significance of NATO troops in Afghanistan post 9/11?

[IMJ]

There is no "dishonor" in what he said. His ongoing thesis is to maintain America's strength and more importantly that it's time for the world to start ponying up on the tantrums and stop sapping off the country.

And so, the expectation is that global forces stop making disproportionate demands on America. The U.N. can send in great forces and other nations can share the risk.

Of course the deranged want to grab onto Trump's words, as always, and twist them to the worst narrative possible. Trump's position is "share the risk appropriately". But haters will only illustrate "NATO members died too, Trump doesn't care SEE SEE? TRUMP DOESNT CARE!".

Clown world continues and the irrationality of gaslighting continues as an outlet for hate. That's evil in action. And of course a few of you will contend this because God forbid you admit your bull$#!(, circular argument is nothing more than a hate outlet.

[Mayhem]

Trump cares about nothing but himself.

Back in Minnesota, ICE appear to murder another civilian on camera…

https://www.reddit.com/r/Minneapolis/comments/1qlpzu8/another_ice_murder_in_front_of_glam_doll_donuts/?

[FredWolfLeonardo]

stop sapping off the country.

And so, the expectation is that global forces stop making disproportionate demands on America.

Hey, don't talk about the Israel Lobby like that, that's hateful!

[Andrew NDB]

Here come the hivemind people in my state:

https://www.king5.com/article/news/local/minneapolis-shooting-anti-ice-protests-seattle/281-3f8af449-c9fe-4b60-b5bb-edcc8f7f7a13

Because enforcement of immigration law should stop? Or something.

[Stu_Padasso]

Trump cares about nothing but himself.

Back in Minnesota, ICE appear to murder another civilian on camera…

https://www.reddit.com/r/Minneapolis/comments/1qlpzu8/another_ice_murder_in_front_of_glam_doll_donuts/?

Hard to tell from the distance, angle and automobiles in the way. We might have to wait for the body cam footage.

Did he grab an officer’s weapon? If so, it could be ruled as Justified Homicide. I’m waiting until the facts come out.

When will people learn to SHUT UP AND LAWYER UP?

[Mayhem]

Hard to tell from the distance, angle and automobiles in the way. We might have to wait for the body cam footage.

Did he grab an officer’s weapon? If so, it could be ruled as Justified Homicide. I’m waiting until the facts come out.

When will people learn to SHUT UP AND LAWYER UP?
The facts of the situation are:

ICE harass and shove a woman to the ground
Pretti, who is already filming the altercation, comes to her aid and tries to help her up
Both get pepper sprayed
ICE tackle him for trying to help her
Gets pepper sprayed again
Gets pistol whipped several times
One officer removes the legally held carry conceal weapon he owns and leaves the scene
Offices continue to beat him while on the ground
Officers shoot him ten times

There’s multiple angles and footage available if you want to search for it. There is no spin, no way out of this, officers killed an incapacitated, unarmed man. He is a US citizen unlike the earlier statement saying he was illegal. It’s all damage control now. There’s going to be more deaths on both sides because of this.

[Autbot_Benz]

The facts of the situation are:

ICE harass and shove a woman to the ground
Pretti, who is already filming the altercation, comes to her aid and tries to help her up
Both get pepper sprayed
ICE tackle him for trying to help her
Gets pepper sprayed again
Gets pistol whipped several times
One officer removes the legally held carry conceal weapon he owns and leaves the scene
Offices continue to beat him while on the ground
Officers shoot him ten times

There’s multiple angles and footage available if you want to search for it. There is no spin, no way out of this, officers killed an incapacitated, unarmed man. He is a US citizen unlike the earlier statement saying he was illegal. It’s all damage control now. There’s going to be more deaths on both sides because of this.

Good lord. These ice assholes need to be stopped. They have ****ed around enough now it’s time for them to find out

[member_removed]

There is no "dishonor" in what he said. His ongoing thesis is to maintain America's strength and more importantly that it's time for the world to start ponying up on the tantrums and stop sapping off the country.

And so, the expectation is that global forces stop making disproportionate demands on America. The U.N. can send in great forces and other nations can share the risk.

Of course the deranged want to grab onto Trump's words, as always, and twist them to the worst narrative possible. Trump's position is "share the risk appropriately". But haters will only illustrate "NATO members died too, Trump doesn't care SEE SEE? TRUMP DOESNT CARE!".

Clown world continues and the irrationality of gaslighting continues as an outlet for hate. That's evil in action. And of course a few of you will contend this because God forbid you admit your bull$#!(, circular argument is nothing more than a hate outlet.

I never used the term "dishonour"

In retrospect, I'm not sure why I expected Trump to give a ****, he has alledgedly referred to fallen US servicemen as "losers and suckers".

I believe he legitimately doesn't care. He is a "businessman" and as such completely transactional and that's how he treats his international allies.

for example https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy4qww3w72lo It remains to be seen if these tariffs will go ahead. Like the recently threatened one against UK, Norway and select EU nations.

[member_removed]

Good lord. These ice assholes need to be stopped. They have ****ed around enough now it’s time for them to find out

Unfortunately, that's what (if not Trump) Stephen Miller wants. As soon as an ICE agent dies in armed conflict. It's going to escalate massively.

[Autbot_Benz]

Unfortunately, that's what (if not Trump) Stephen Miller wants. As soon as an ICE agent dies in armed conflict. It's going to escalate massively.

I know it will it sucks also **** that racist asshole Stephen miller too

[member_removed]

Here come the hivemind people in my state:

https://www.king5.com/article/news/local/minneapolis-shooting-anti-ice-protests-seattle/281-3f8af449-c9fe-4b60-b5bb-edcc8f7f7a13

Because enforcement of immigration law should stop? Or something.

So if Trump wanted to go after actual criminals like he said. The rapists, drug dealers and murders. with warrants and due process. I don't think, many here would have much issue.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-01-23/ice-officers-detain-5-year-old-minnesota-boy/106260888 However I highly doubt that Liam Conejo Ramos was a high risk to society.

I still find it incredibly hypocritical that the US work force seems to rely heavily on undocumented workers.

https://thenationaldesk.com/news/spotlight-on-america/immigration-raids-having-chilling-effect-on-construction-labor

[Andrew NDB]

I mean specifically his comments about NATO troops not fighting in Afghanistan and that’s happening from his allies and Russian asset lackies (Farage, Rupert Lowe etc) as well here. He won’t apologise, we don’t expect him too, but the outrage is palpable on this dishonour.

I don't think I read those comments. Was he saying that he's upset NATO didn't help in Afghanistan? I don't know why they'd have needed to though I'm not sure why an apology would be warranted either?

So if Trump wanted to go after actual criminals like he said. The rapists, drug dealers and murders. with warrants and due process. I don't think, many here would have much issue.

But that's what they're doing. If the hivemind people didn't try to be heroes and get in ICE's face in the middle of these operations and then resist and put them at risk none of this would be happening.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-01-23/ice-officers-detain-5-year-old-minnesota-boy/106260888 However I highly doubt that Liam Conejo Ramos was a high risk to society.

Super deceptive story. ICE showed up for the dad and the dad ran away... so the kid is there by himself. What are they supposed to do? Just let the kid fend for himself? Maybe turn on the TV for him and put the cereal out? Of course they take him in. Same as if parents left their kid in the car to go and rob a gas station and then got busted. But OMG, law enforcement "apprehended" the kid in the car after the robbery, right?

Alternately, what? Law enforcement can't go after parents, ever? You have a kid and then you get some kind of diplomatic immunity?

I still find it incredibly hypocritical that the US work force seems to rely heavily on undocumented workers.

Not hypocritical at all. Undocumented workforces should be abolished beyond the ones with seasonal visas that come in to do farm work and then go back home.

But oh yes, the "undocumented workforce." Doing the jobs that nobody wants to do here at a fraction of the pay, isn't that right? Always leave it to the left to fight to keep their slave laborers making slave wages. If we lose all the undocumented workers making sub-fair wages and the cost of a T shirt goes up $2, so be it.

[Mayhem]

Well, Melania is a perfect example here, an illegal immigrant coming to the US (she didn’t even become a citizen until after Barron was born) and doing a job that no US citizen wanted to do (be with Trump!) :P

As for illegals, if they came in without going through the proper steps, then sure they should go back. The point most on (your opinion) left make is just to highlight that getting rid of them has inherent consequences for everyone, not that they should be allowed to stay regardless.

I don't think I read those comments. Was he saying that he's upset NATO didn't help in Afghanistan? I don't know why they'd have needed to though I'm not sure why an apology would be warranted either?
He was essentially insinuating that while troops from NATO were there, they didn’t fight on the frontlines, which is patently ********. Around a third of all combat deaths in Afghanistan were from non-US NATO country armies. And as I noted earlier, the only troops to go BEHIND enemy lines to conduct missions were British. Unsurprisingly the UK had the highest casualty numbers after the US.

The fact is, as multi country training exercises between the US and others has shown (notably the UK and Finland), that despite the sheer numbers, US training and tactics are woefully lacking in comparison.

[Mayhem]

Good lord. These ice assholes need to be stopped. They have ****ed around enough now it’s time for them to find out
What’s become visible since is that the agent who took away Preti’s gun then fired it at the ground a few seconds after. Two trains of thought here which are possibly mutual exclusive:

1) Doing so means ICE can claim the weapon was discharged as a legitimate reason for shooting Preti.
2) The fact the agent fired the gun led ICE to think Preti was attempting to shoot them and thus led him to be shot.

[member_removed]

As for illegals, if they came in without going through the proper steps, then sure they should go back. The point most on (your opinion) left make is just to highlight that getting rid of them has inherent consequences for everyone, not that they should be allowed to stay regardless.

Out of curiosity Mayhem, where do you fall on the political spectrum? You seem so anti-trump I've just assumed you're to the left?

I understand, it's personal opinion and if you don't want to answer.

But that's what they're doing. If the hivemind people didn't try to be heroes and get in ICE's face in the middle of these operations and then resist and put them at risk none of this would be happening.

You're really liking that term "hivemind". Very easy to turn that around at people who exclusively get there information from FOX.


Super deceptive story. ICE showed up for the dad and the dad ran away... so the kid is there by himself. What are they supposed to do? Just let the kid fend for himself? Maybe turn on the TV for him and put the cereal out? Of course they take him in. Same as if parents left their kid in the car to go and rob a gas station and then got busted. But OMG, law enforcement "apprehended" the kid in the car after the robbery, right?

Alternately, what? Law enforcement can't go after parents, ever? You have a kid and then you get some kind of diplomatic immunity?

Look, I have to take what DHS says with a giant grain of salt. I saw the video of Renee Good event, and I head Noem and Vance's description of said event.

“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”
? George Orwell, 1984

Not hypocritical at all. Undocumented workforces should be abolished beyond the ones with seasonal visas that come in to do farm work and then go back home.

But oh yes, the "undocumented workforce." Doing the jobs that nobody wants to do here at a fraction of the pay, isn't that right? Always leave it to the left to fight to keep their slave laborers making slave wages. If we lose all the undocumented workers making sub-fair wages and the cost of a T shirt goes up $2, so be it.

Here, I absolutely I agree with you. I never said anything about being pro slave labour. Who said anything about $2 T-shirts. I think you're confusing a Mexican roofer with a Bangledesh sweat shop mass producing MAGA hats.

I would love to see an increase in the minimum wage and stronger unions.

[Mayhem]

Out of curiosity Mayhem, where do you fall on the political spectrum? You seem so anti-trump I've just assumed you're to the left?

I understand, it's personal opinion and if you don't want to answer.

I’m just right of centre. I have never voted for a left wing party in my life (certainly not Labour in any guise).

The problem is, American views of the “political spectrum” are completely skewed compared to the rest of the world. In the US, anything left of the Republican Party is considered “left” and “liberal”, when there’s absolutely no such thing as a left wing party in the US on a world scale. The Democrats are still very much right of centre, they just encompass some socialist policies. Like many other mildly right of centre parties do worldwide.

Trump is just the worst epitome of the worst of world order. But it’s quite evident this term he’s a dementia ridden puppet used to gain power for those actually making policy.

[Andrew NDB]

You're really liking that term "hivemind". Very easy to turn that around at people who exclusively get there information from FOX.

Who's talking about them? And I don't like that term and wish it didn't apply.

Look, I have to take what DHS says with a giant grain of salt. I saw the video of Renee Good event, and I head Noem and Vance's description of said event.

“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”
? George Orwell, 1984

You'd be better off pointing to the latest shooting death, as it DOES appear rather needless while the Good death seems pretty ironclad in the ICE officer's defense. But again... why put yourself (not YOU, I mean any of these people) into these situations at all? These people can't think of even one thing better to do on the day to day than getting up in the morning and trying to get in between law enforcement with guns apprehending criminals? I can think of a million things better to do than that.

Here, I absolutely I agree with you. I never said anything about being pro slave labour. Who said anything about $2 T-shirts. I think you're confusing a Mexican roofer with a Bangledesh sweat shop mass producing MAGA hats.

I think then maybe we're at least in the same quadrant here. Maybe we're just looking at each other from somewhat different lenses. Maybe.

I would love to see an increase in the minimum wage and stronger unions.

Ehhh... well, I'm definitely no advocate of a "living wage" for minimum wage (you get a job at McDonald's next to the 16 year-olds there, no, you don't get an amazing salary and I don't care how many kids you have), but if we're still talking about illegal immigrants working these jobs at below-minimum wages to give us products at a good price, that's obviously not right. We remove the illegal immigrant workers (beyond, again, of course things like the non-citizens who get seasonal visas to come and work on farms) and raise the wages accordingly. If it TRULY will be a situation where we as a country just throw our hands up and have to go, "Well DARN IT, NOBODY wants to work these jobs anymore without the illegal immigrants!" (like the democrats swear would happen but it's never really been tested) then we can figure it out from there and/or create appropriate incentives to suit. I think that may even be a way to tackle the homeless problem -- you want to pitch a tent in the street with your dog and not go to the shelter? OK, cool. Your options are now leave or go work in the farms now and maybe that has the unintended consequence of actually getting them back on their feet. The ones that aren't fentanyl zombies, that is, or maybe even them.

[IndigoErth]

The facts of the situation are:

ICE harass and shove a woman to the ground
Pretti, who is already filming the altercation, comes to her aid and tries to help her up
Both get pepper sprayed
ICE tackle him for trying to help her
Gets pepper sprayed again
Gets pistol whipped several times
One officer removes the legally held carry conceal weapon he owns and leaves the scene
Offices continue to beat him while on the ground
Officers shoot him ten times

There’s multiple angles and footage available if you want to search for it. There is no spin, no way out of this, officers killed an incapacitated, unarmed man. He is a US citizen unlike the earlier statement saying he was illegal. It’s all damage control now. There’s going to be more deaths on both sides because of this.

The woman shot in her car was horrible enough, though the view was obscured due to the situation, leaving it open for people to attempt to still be skeptical...but this?? The guy is just lying there when they step back and continue shooting him. The way Neom and others, whose words Trump is ultimately responsible for, are blatantly lying and shrugging it off, villainizing this man and expecting us to accept their spin to dismiss it... the whole thing his horrific and disgusting. Anyone still siding with Trump's goons and these actions need to take a hard look at themselves. It's reaching a boiling point where it doesn't matter who you are, it can happen to you. On one hand, best to keep away from those kinds scenes to protect yourself, but on the other it ultimately becomes forcing people to submit to oppressing their voice through the use of violence against the public...

[Andrew NDB]

The woman shot in her car was horrible enough, though the view was obscured due to the situation, leaving it open for people to attempt to still be skeptical...but this?? The guy is just lying there when they step back and continue shooting him. The way Neom and others, whose words Trump is ultimately responsible for, are blatantly lying and shrugging it off, villainizing this man and expecting us to accept their spin to dismiss it... the whole thing his horrific and disgusting. Anyone still siding with Trump's goons and these actions need to take a hard look at themselves. It's reaching a boiling point where it doesn't matter who you are, it can happen to you. On one hand, best to keep away from those kinds scenes to protect yourself, but on the other it ultimately becomes forcing people to submit to oppressing their voice through the use of violence against the public...

Stupid. Lunacy. That's like saying Biden is directly responsible for anyone anywhere mistakenly shot by police during his entire tenure as president because he "asked" police officers to enforce the law during it. I guess he just shouldn't have asked that, then, I guess?

[IndigoErth]

Maybe give the reading compression a tune up, since I said he's reasonable for the lies coming out of the mouth of Noem and others who work under him. Though he also bears the burden of responsibility for sending ICE into these places and acting out of control like this to the point of unnecessary deaths.

This all that's happening as of late is no longer enforcing laws.

[Andrew NDB]

What are the examples of these operations in Minnesota where there weren't specific targets? You don't have any.

[Coola Yagami]

The funny part is people considering ICE to be 'law enforcement' rather than the racist thugs that abuse what little power they've been given that they are (INB4 Andrew swoops in to defend them despite them considering him a criminal too).

Wake me when these clowns stop acting like pussies picking on regular folks and go after actual cartel and gang members. I kinda feel those should take more priority than harassing Pablo trying to sell fruit on the street.

Have those useless thugs cleaned up Chicago yet? Or is shooting defenseless women in their cars more their speed?

[FredWolfLeonardo]

What ICE is doing is disgusting and reprehensible.

I don't care if Nick Fuentes or some other Conservative White Nationalists support the killings, I don't.

A lot of the brutality is purposely played up for the camera too. There were a lot of deportations under Obama too, some would argue more than Trump, but without the theatrics.

[Coola Yagami]

There were a lot of deportations under Obama too, some would argue more than Trump, but without the theatrics.

Obama did it with a lot more due process and a lot less shooting innocent women in their cars.

[Andrew NDB]

A lot of the brutality is purposely played up for the camera too.

Oh, you're right about that. But probably not at all in the way you mean.

[CyberCubed]

Criminals will pay for their crimes.

[Mayhem]

Bovino of the 1/3 Reich is being stripped of his commander status and probably leaving Minneapolis. Next stop apparently, Philly! Not going to go well...


Wake me when these clowns stop acting like pussies picking on regular folks and go after actual cartel and gang members. I kinda feel those should take more priority than harassing Pablo trying to sell fruit on the street.
I'll call you Rip van Yagami for how long you may wait. The problems about asserting that are:

1) It's harder to do.
2) It's way more dangerous to do.
3) These chumps have literally six weeks training under their belt, compared to say 42 weeks you get as a police officer here in the UK.
4) The quotas and bonuses for nicking anyone who could potentially be illegal, hence the camp outs at immigration centres and courts, schools, Walmarts etc.

[Coola Yagami]

Bovino of the 1/3 Reich is being stripped of his commander status and probably leaving Minneapolis. Next stop apparently, Philly! Not going to go well...



I'll call you Rip van Yagami for how long you may wait. The problems about asserting that are:

1) It's harder to do.
2) It's way more dangerous to do.
3) These chumps have literally six weeks training under their belt, compared to say 42 weeks you get as a police officer here in the UK.
4) The quotas and bonuses for nicking anyone who could potentially be illegal, hence the camp outs at immigration centres and courts, schools, Walmarts etc.

Exactly. It's easier to just abuse power and pick on Maria and Pancho than it is to actually go after the real criminals. They're law enforcement in name only. They know the people they target are too scared or poor to sue or are highly unlikely to be armed or to have connections to people that will seek violent retaliation if they mess with them. Pussies and cowards pretending to be law enforcement.

[Andrew NDB]

LFXUyMbUX_o

"This isn't Seattle."

[vicsavage]

LFXUyMbUX_o

"This isn't Seattle."

The Daily Caller? That disreputable rag?

[Mayhem]

ICE try to force their way into the Ecuador consulate in Minneapolis. They really don't have a clue about international law, do they? Needless to say all the right wing SM parrots are squawking screw the law and they are harbouring criminals, well if you break in, you basically say to every country that has a US embassy or consulate present, right, we can do the same...

[ToTheNines]

All the video footage of the mass marches and celebrations in Venezuela, that was all bots, too? And how in the world is what the actually people in the country being discussed want not relevant? lol, it seems like the only people genuinely upset about Venezuela being liberated from a dictator are Iran, China and the democrats.

This is old news by now and I’m honestly not really educated enough on the Venezuela situation to really comment, but something randomly occurred to me today:

If say China successfully abducted and imprisoned Donald Trump, that would be objectively horrible and a massive L for our country…

But every major city would have full on parades and the internet would be flooded with libs dabbing on MAGA and congratulating China. Just something to think about.

[Andrew NDB]

In other news, well... this didn't take too long, did it?

https://i.ibb.co/0jzQkSMn/FB-IMG-1769659524150.jpg

[FredWolfLeonardo]

All hail Zohran Stalin.

Your communist mayor is here to haunt your nightmares.

[Mayhem]

Or you can look at it that NY pays into the federal reserve way more than it gets back, and isn’t being given back enough to cover what needs covering. And with Trump in charge and Mamdani now elected, Satan will skate to work before that status quo alters. So what are his choices? More taxes or spending cuts.

[sdp]

US dollar keeps plumetting

[ToTheNines]

I’ll keep my old news theme running:

Remember when the woke right thought it was cool to get people fired for celebrating Charlie Kirk’s murder? How about y’all get Erika Kirk fired? She’s celebrated more than anyone lol

https://newschannel9.com/news/nation-world/candace-owens-drops-alleged-audio-of-erika-kirk-five-days-after-husbands-assassination-charlie-kirk-turning-point-usa-israel

[Mayhem]

Trump won’t be concerned because it enhances his tariff narrative to reduce imports. Weaker dollar means costs more to bring stuff in. However the rate drop AND rising value of gold and silver are to be worried about. All kicked off by Trump’s attack on Jerome Powell.

[Andrew NDB]

Meanwhile, China is actively de-valuing its own currency on purpose.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

I’ll keep my old news theme running:

Remember when the woke right thought it was cool to get people fired for celebrating Charlie Kirk’s murder? How about y’all get Erika Kirk fired? She’s celebrated more than anyone lol

https://newschannel9.com/news/nation-world/candace-owens-drops-alleged-audio-of-erika-kirk-five-days-after-husbands-assassination-charlie-kirk-turning-point-usa-israel

BuT EvEReeeeyoNnnEEE GRieeVVEs DIFfferently!!!!

[Andrew NDB]

BuT EvEReeeeyoNnnEEE GRieeVVEs DIFfferently!!!!

Yeah, she messed up and the forgot the rules saying she's not supposed to so much as chuckle a couple weeks after her husband died... totally proof there that there was a black op at the highest level that she was in on involving Israel for which Tyler Robinson only "might" have been involved with.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Yeah, she messed up and the forgot the rules saying she's not supposed to so much as chuckle a couple weeks after her husband died... totally proof there that there was a black op at the highest level that she was in on involving Israel for which Tyler Robinson only "might" have been involved with.

I don't even believe Israel killed him, what are you even talking about?

[Andrew NDB]

I don't even believe Israel killed him, what are you even talking about?

Nothing of substance, really.

[sdp]

Meanwhile, China is actively de-valuing its own currency on purpose.

Is that good or bad for China?
Would it be good for the US then?

Please expand

[ToTheNines]

Yeah, she messed up and the forgot the rules saying she's not supposed to so much as chuckle a couple weeks after her husband died... totally proof there that there was a black op at the highest level that she was in on involving Israel for which Tyler Robinson only "might" have been involved with.

Bro your vibe-meter is cooked if you don’t think there is something seriously off with her.

Relevant part starts at 6:10, or skip to 18:00 if you don't feel like sitting through the whole thing.

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[Andrew NDB]

Well, she does seem like a weird broad. And she's way more leaning into the evangelical sort than Charlie ever was... and that requires a certain kind of person. But that doesn't suggest anything evil or nefarious, just a very different sort of wiring.

[ToTheNines]

:D

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[sdp]

Trump won’t be concerned because it enhances his tariff narrative to reduce imports. Weaker dollar means costs more to bring stuff in. However the rate drop AND rising value of gold and silver are to be worried about. All kicked off by Trump’s attack on Jerome Powell.

Well he'll spin anything to make it look good, it's various factors that has kept it weak though Greenland is really what set the decline where it can't recover from.

Well the whole world has subsidized the US Dollar by it being the world currency. Now that the US has pissed other countries off with the bully tactics they're
>Finding alternatives to the US
>Selling American bonds

Plus you have the risk of war due to political instability worldwide, headlined by the US themselves and people go to precious metal for safety now that the dollar is no longer seen as the way to go, especially with the attacks on the Federal Reserve to lower interest rates. If not for the AI bubble the stock market would also be suffering badly.

This is really interesting to follow, this is not going to go away once a new president comes aboard. We might see some chickening out so the short term economy is not cooked but long term I don't think other nations will go "ok US we forgive you".

[ranger_scout]

The U.S. Senate has reached a deal to avoid a government shutdown.

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/5713935-senate-deal-shutdown-funding/

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-schumer-reach-government-funding-deal-sacrifice-dhs-spending-bill-process

[Mayhem]

Is that good or bad for China?
Would it be good for the US then?
It makes Chinese exports more attractive to other countries, so given the amount they export, then yes in a way.

The US does (or did) export quite a bit, but imports way more.

[ranger_scout]

First Lady Melania Trump's documentary is heading for surprisingly strong numbers at the box office this weekend.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/box-office-melania-opening-weekend-1236490092/

https://deadline.com/2026/01/box-office-iron-lung-send-help-melania-shelter-1236703378/

[sdp]

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[Mayhem]

First Lady Melania Trump's documentary is heading for surprisingly strong numbers at the box office this weekend.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/box-office-melania-opening-weekend-1236490092/

https://deadline.com/2026/01/box-office-iron-lung-send-help-melania-shelter-1236703378/
Once you factor in they are paying people $50 to go see the movie…

[ToTheNines]

https://i.imgur.com/C75L7fE.jpeg

[CyberCubed]

https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/attachments/4ce-jpg.30067821/

[Mayhem]

Hah quite :lol:

[Coola Yagami]

https://i.imgur.com/C75L7fE.jpeg

Jokes are jokes but can we like.... NOT associate our childhood heroes with pedophiles?

[sdp]

TEENAGE mutant ninja turtles, they were not associated with, they were the ones being taken advantage of.

[ToTheNines]

https://i.imgur.com/tWx2CWM.jpeg

[CyberCubed]

All these people should of been in jail years ago. Even if they can't be proven 100%, we know they likely did. They should be judged as guilty until proven innocent, rather than innocent until proven guilty.

Criminals will pay for their crimes.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

All these people should of been in jail years ago. Even if they can't be proven 100%, we know they likely did. They should be judged as guilty until proven innocent, rather than innocent until proven guilty.

Criminals will pay for their crimes.

You should change your profile to Fred Wolf Casey Jones.

All lawbreakers must pay the price!

[CyberCubed]

You should change your profile to Fred Wolf Casey Jones.

All lawbreakers must pay the price!

I hope Mamdami cleans up NYC streets. They need to get the scum and the gutter trash out of sight so the hard earned working man can put bread on the table!

[IMJ]

Be careful Liberals! You are surrounded by Nazi's and pedophiles everywhere you look! Which is mostly because you are surrounded by other liberals, but that's neither here nor there. They are everywhere and they are watching you.

And if they don't get you, Trump will when the encampments and roundups begin at the beginning of next fiscal quarter!

Better ninja up! :shifty:

:lol:

Nah, I'm just kidding. You'll be fine. Probably.

[Andrew NDB]

https://i.ibb.co/XxjRC2H3/624873518-1317263060427726-2118674065393963599-n.jpg

[Mayhem]

Which still doesn’t make either situation right in any way.

[Andrew NDB]

Which still doesn’t make either situation right in any way.

But it was still always going to happen. If you were to go, "There's going to be organized protests with hundreds/thousands of people getting in armed law enforcement's faces across the country, blocking their traffic, screaming and shoving them and spitting at them all day, every day" then the logical response would be, "Well, then about 5-10 people are probably going to get shot during all of that every couple of months or so."

"But is it RIGHT?!?!?"

Well, no. Of course not. But this is what's going to happen in any scenario like this. A couple people is honestly on the low end of what I'd be expecting.

[IMJ]

Which still doesn’t make either situation right in any way.

The situation exists because what was initially "Trump derangement" has evolved into "normalcy derangement" which has evolved into "going on about 'Nazis' that don't exist" which has evolved into people in the streets interfering with L.E. actions.

Again, the fictional idea-sharing in this thread doesn't ultimately mean jack $#!( when you go out in the streets and get in the way of, or harm LE. You'll be suppressed as a threat and rightfully so.

[member_removed]

The situation exists because what was initially "Trump derangement" has evolved into "normalcy derangement" which has evolved into "going on about 'Nazis' that don't exist" which has evolved into people in the streets interfering with L.E. actions.

Again, the fictional idea-sharing in this thread doesn't ultimately mean jack $#!( when you go out in the streets and get in the way of, or harm LE. You'll be suppressed as a threat and rightfully so.

By that rational was Ashley Babbit rightfully also suppressed?

[Coola Yagami]

which has evolved into people in the streets interfering with L.E. actions.



Hopefully you're not confusing ICE thuggery with actual law enforcement. They are the farthest they can possibly be from actual law enforcement.

[Mayhem]

By that rational was Ashley Babbit rightfully also suppressed?
Any answer other than yes here is hypocritical based on the same viewpoint. Also, funny enough, this sort of thing happens daily in the UK too, and people don’t get shot. Tased maybe if they really push it…

Coming from the folks who say J6 was justified and yet now roll over and say comply or die…

[Mayhem]

It’s not an attack on free speech or a political attack, it’s deflecting from what the “free speech” is…


This is about power. Influence. And what happens when one billionaire decides the rules don’t apply to him anymore while trying to hide decades of criminality, treason, and alleged pedophelia and the ongoing amplification of child pornography, sexual abuse, and his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein. Let’s be very clear about what happened — and why it matters.

This week, the French government raided the Paris offices of X, Elon Musk’s social media platform, as part of a criminal investigation into “Child Sexual Abuse” associated with the Epstein Files and much, much more.

Not a regulatory slap. Not a warning letter. A raid. Computers. Documents. Servers. Banking/Crypto Exchange info.

You don’t raid the offices of Elon Musk on a “whim,” btw. For the record, Elon Musk called the raid on Twitter (X) offices a ‘political attack.’

France’s official response?

“Investigating child sexual abuse material isn’t controversial. Turning it into political theater is manipulation. Maybe that logic flies on some island. Doesn’t fly in France.

And no — this didn’t come out of nowhere.

This investigation didn’t start this week. It expanded this week after French authorities received several tips from X employees/whistleblowers in France.

French authorities — and their European counterparts — have been watching Elon Musk for a long time. Officially, French Law enforcement is responding to whistleblower complaints of the “sexual abuse of minors” and funding from foreign entities to destabilize the French government by working with local far-right Russian-funded groups (proven in a court of law) with Russian-backed leaders of France’s far right.

Long before police showed up in Paris, France had been documenting something Musk and his defenders keep pretending isn’t real:

Under Musk’s ownership, X has become a destabilization engine.

Not a “free speech platform.”
Not a neutral town square.
A weaponized amplification machine.

French prosecutors began investigating X after repeated failures to comply with French law governing:

Illegal content
Coordinated disinformation
AI-generated deepfakes
Incitement and hate speech
Failure to remove criminal material at scale

And here’s the part Musk really hates. France doesn’t regulate vibes. It regulates outcomes. When regulators saw that harmful content wasn’t just slipping through — but thriving — the probe escalated. When investigators connected that content to algorithmic amplification and AI tools, the probe widened. When they saw cooperation requests ignored or mocked, the probe turned criminal.

Hence the raid.

Because France — like the UK and the EU more broadly — has finally accepted a reality the U.S. still dances around. Elon Musk is not a passive platform owner. He is an active political actor.

Musk has used X to:

Boost extremist narratives in Europe
Undermine trust in democratic institutions
Attack elected leaders who challenge him
Interfere in public discourse during elections
Promote AI-generated propaganda with minimal safeguards

This isn’t theory. It’s documented behavior.

France isn’t acting alone either. UK regulators are probing Musk’s AI operations. EU officials are coordinating enforcement under the Digital Services Act. Governments that once treated Silicon Valley with kid gloves are now comparing notes.

And Musk knows it.

Because as French police were walking through X’s Paris offices, something else was detonating globally.

The Epstein Files.

Millions of pages released. Names resurfacing. Networks are being re-examined. Power structures exposed. And yes — Elon Musk’s name appears in the Epstein records A LOT (excitedly so). His daughter confirmed that Elon and Epstein were pals and Musk was absolutely a regular guest of Epstein (on the island and in NY).

Musk is simultaneously:

Under criminal investigation in Europe
Accused of facilitating mass disinformation
Running a platform drowning in unmoderated AI content
Attacking governments attempting to regulate him

And now appearing in the same document universe as the most notorious sex-trafficking scandal of the modern era.

That combination is radioactive.

Musk doesn’t just react to political instability. He profits from it.

Chaos drives engagement.
Outrage feeds the algorithm.
Destabilization weakens regulators.

And when governments are weakened, billionaires gain leverage.

It is entirely reasonable — plausible, even — to observe that Musk’s behavior aligns with a goal of engineering political environments more tolerant of his power, to blunt any consequence of Illegality.

That doesn’t require a conspiracy. It requires incentives.

A fragmented UK.
A destabilized France.
A polarized United States.

Those are systems where enforcement slows, oversight fractures, and accountability becomes optional. And if that environment also happens to be friendlier to figures connected — socially or historically — to Epstein’s elite orbit? That’s not an allegation. That’s a risk profile.

One governments are now openly acting on.

France didn’t raid X because of one post. Or one algorithm tweak. Or one AI chatbot.

They raided X because Elon Musk has positioned himself at the center of modern information warfare — without accountability, without transparency, and without restraint. And for the first time, a major Western democracy said enough.

This is what happens when a private individual amasses:

Global communication infrastructure
AI deployment power
Political influence
Cultural reach
And near-limitless wealth

…and then treats democratic nations like obstacles instead of partners.

Musk will scream “censorship.”
He will cry “political persecution.”
He will frame himself as the victim of censorship and the woke mind virus.

He always does. But this moment is bigger than Elon Musk.

This is about treason.
Sedition.
Aiding and abetting hostile interests.
And the systematic defrauding of citizens in the UK, the United States, and across the European Union.

It’s about the deliberate use of AI, bot networks, and a paid influence ecosystem — figures like Mario Nawfal, Ian Miles Cheong, Posobiec, Pool, Johnson, Owens, Tommy Robinson, and Marie Le Pen — to manufacture consent, distort reality, and shield Musk from accountability.

It’s about protecting not just himself, but the foreign and domestic money that enabled his takeover of X in the first place — Saudi capital, Russian interests, and American power brokers who all wanted the same thing Musk did when he bought the platform:

Control.

Control over information, narratives, and democratic outcomes. He can scream all he want about how you can’t trust MSM.

But control is how crimes stay hidden.
Control is how wealth is siphoned upward.
Control is how reality itself is manipulated — until citizens no longer recognize what’s being stolen from them, or who is doing the stealing.

This wasn’t about free speech. It never was. It was about power — and keeping it at any cost.

It’s also about whether democracies can still regulate power — or whether the richest men on earth get to rewrite reality in real time.

France just made its choice. The rest of the world is watching.

For the first time in a long time, Musk can’t control the narrative.

[ToTheNines]

Chat is this real?

[ranger_scout]

If that loser of a former vice-president announces her candidacy for 2028 today, she needs to get it through her head that she WON'T win. She had her chance in both 2020 and 2024 and failed big time.

https://x.com/RedWave_Press/status/2019210857637659122

[Mayhem]

Inclined to agree to step out but that’s what the nomination process decides, anyone can get into the ring…

[Andrew NDB]

Hopefully you're not confusing ICE thuggery with actual law enforcement. They are the farthest they can possibly be from actual law enforcement.

You can pretend all you like, I suppose.

[ranger_scout]

She's launching a new media hub aimed at Gen Z voters.

https://variety.com/2026/digital/news/kamala-harris-kamalahq-headquarters-relaunch-1236653453/

[Andrew NDB]

She's launching a new media hub aimed at Gen Z voters.

https://variety.com/2026/digital/news/kamala-harris-kamalahq-headquarters-relaunch-1236653453/

But still probably won't do 3 hours with Rogan.

[CyberCubed]

The next presidential run needs new blood. Trump will probably be dead by then despite his threats of running a third term. And everyone else like Biden, the Clintons, Kamala are all too old, can't run again, or will be dead. And Kamala Khan has no chance.

Hopefully we get all new people.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

I think President Kamala Harris is a real possibility in 2029.

Either way, it's gonna be a Democrat.