The 2024 presidential election

[Mayhem]

It boils down to this perspective: "if left to their own devices, people are inherently good and just and will steer themselves with a natural moral compass all on their own and will naturally be compelled to be productive members of society." I think this has been proven to be absolutely false. We saw what happened during COVID and we see what's happening when the chickens have come home to roost with generations of atheists are having atheist kids and how they're actually turning out.
Better than being steered by morally corrupt religious people. Like many elected people in power. See I can keep turning this around until the cows come home. I will always argue against the concept that religious people are automatically morally better than non religious. It’s total horse and bull excrement. All the crappy decisions re COVID appeared to be decided by… religious people who didn’t believe it existed or it was only as bad as a cold. Several hundred thousand deaths say otherwise.

[IMJ]

Better than being steered by morally corrupt religious people. Like many elected people in power. See I can keep turning this around until the cows come home. I will always argue against the concept that religious people are automatically morally better than non religious. It’s total horse and bull excrement. All the crappy decisions re COVID appeared to be decided by… religious people who didn’t believe it existed or it was only as bad as a cold. Several hundred thousand deaths say otherwise.

Mayhem, in your opinion what percentage of "religious people" are morally corrupt?

[Barkworm]

Mayhem, in your opinion what percentage of "religious people" are morally corrupt?

I‘m not him and I don‘t know about percentages but you are familiar with these people. It‘s any Christian who will dismiss the systematic sexual abuse because „that‘s not what our church is about“ or any devout Muslim who won‘t lie to anyone UNLESS they are talking to non-Muslims. You‘ve met these guys in real life.

[Andrew NDB]

I‘m not him and I don‘t know about percentages but you are familiar with these people. It‘s any Christian who will dismiss the systematic sexual abuse because „that‘s not what our church is about“ or any devout Muslim who won‘t lie to anyone UNLESS they are talking to non-Muslims. You‘ve met these guys in real life.

I've never met anyone religious like that who would dismiss those kind of things. Those are the SUPER evangelical types. They do exist but they're far, far from the norm but I get its super easy to paint the whole thing into caricatures like this. Most "normal" religious types of the catholic/Christian bent are absolutely "f***ing nail them to the cross!!!" And would probably advocate for the death penalty far more than even I would. And it's the leftists with their own religion about right and wrong (mostly wrong and wrong) that want to keep them out of jail and put them back on the streets because "prison doesn't rehabilitate, it's undoubtedly systemic this and that that made them do it" and so on.

[Barkworm]

Yeah, the teachings of Christ and the death penalty don‘t go together, either.

[Andrew NDB]

Yeah, the teachings of Christ and the death penalty don‘t go together, either.

Not exactly, no.

https://www.gotquestions.org/death-penalty.html

But it's definitely not "let's not execute anyone and f*** the prison system!" Which is the leftist religious front.

[Barkworm]

Not exactly, no.

https://www.gotquestions.org/death-penalty.html

But it's definitely not "let's not execute anyone and f*** the prison system!" Which is the leftist religious front.

Nope, only evangelical churches support capital punishment while traditional protestant churches and the Catholic Church have been opposing it for quite a while.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Yeah, the teachings of Christ and the death penalty don‘t go together, either.

I think its not a coincidence that "anti-death penalty" stance of Christians has emerged at the same time as Christians losing political power.

When the church and the state were one in the past, the death penalty was rampant and justified by Christian authorities.

[Barkworm]

I think its not a coincidence that "anti-death penalty" stance of Christians has emerged at the same time as Christians losing political power.

When the church and the state were one in the past, the death penalty was rampant and justified by Christian authorities.
Which just brings us back to the thesis that religious people - or at least religious authorities OR authorities who claim to be religious - are often morally corrupt.

[IMJ]

I‘m not him and I don‘t know about percentages but you are familiar with these people. It‘s any Christian who will dismiss the systematic sexual abuse because „that‘s not what our church is about“ or any devout Muslim who won‘t lie to anyone UNLESS they are talking to non-Muslims. You‘ve met these guys in real life.

Oh I agree that these people exist, absolutely. But Mayhem paints his politics with a broad brush that simply wouldn't hold up under any real scrutiny. Many of his defenses and statements are woven with observations that would fall apart under any real scrutiny involving "truth in sample size".

[Mayhem]

Oh I agree that these people exist, absolutely. But Mayhem paints his politics with a broad brush that simply wouldn't hold up under any real scrutiny. Many of his defenses and statements are woven with observations that would fall apart under any real scrutiny involving "truth in sample size".
I never stated there were a lot. But there appears to be a great many either in power or in a position to sway millions ( see televangelists for example). All in the name of parting you from your money too.

Anyhow, first debate on tonight… will start too late for me to stay up, so I’ll catch the highlights tomorrow. Apparently the mic of the non speaker will be turned off while the other is talking, so I’ll wait to see how long before Trump tries to shout his interruptions across the room…

[Andrew NDB]

Anyhow, first debate on tonight…

Shesus... no matter which side you're on, what a thing that'll be. As long as the moderators remain objective and fair to both sides (which the odds are against, since one of the hosts was literally comparing Trump to Hitler a few months back) we should be in for quite a show.

[oldmanwinters]

Biden should have drank more of whatever was really in that can…
https://i.imgur.com/i5YsjIpl.jpg

[Autbot_Benz]

Trump lying his ass off and Biden not doing very well/stuttering. we are ****ed no matter who wins this. we need to stop letting old farts run for president.

[ToTheNines]

Trump bodied Joe and everyone knows it. CNN coverage afterwards was a total dogpile. Looks like they’re done with the facade and pretending Biden is ok.

[Andrew NDB]

"I have no idea what Joe just said. I don't think even Joe knows what he just said."

There was some nice nuggets here and there. Trump was way more restrained than I thought he would be, which is good. I don't like how he completely ducked some questions and he'll get sh** for that doubtless.

[Bahamut810]

I think thats a problem that Trump bodied Biden. Trump didnt really say anything of value and that beat a doddering old man that got something-or-other from his son.

[Andrew NDB]

The scary part is if this finally gives the democrat party the push to agree they need to replace Biden on the ballot by November and for Biden to agree and step aside.

President Gavin Newsom... now there's a legit terrifying prospect.

[Bahamut810]

The scary part is if this finally gives the democrat party the push to agree they need to replace Biden on the ballot by November and for Biden to agree and step aside.

President Gavin Newsom... now there's a legit terrifying prospect.

There is still time to replace both of them before the next (and last) debate...get one good one in since they cancelled the rest of the debates.

Gavin Newsom vs...I dunno...Dan Crenshaw?

[Andrew NDB]

There is still time to replace both of them before the next (and last) debate...

I'd be good with that. I just have a bad feeling about Trump. There's a lot of really dumb/people that don't look beyond a surface level into things that are just going to hear "31 felony convictions" and that's that.

Gavin Newsom vs...I dunno...Dan Crenshaw?

Yeesh. Maybe. At least that'd be a fair representation of both sides that are a bit younger.

[Barkworm]

I'd be good with that. I just have a bad feeling about Trump. There's a lot of really dumb/people that don't look beyond a surface level into things that are just going to hear "31 felony convictions" and that's that.
That is just not dumb at all. It‘s everything you need to know about this guy.

This morning on German radio, they called the debate „duel of the elderly“. „Senile geezer vs pathological liar“ would have been more accurate. Biden‘s mumbling is truly embarrassing. So is Trump‘s aggressive lying (the fact-check analyses for this debate are insane) but this has always been part of his appeal I guess? Just tell your voters whatever they want to hear, who cares about facts.

With any other candidate this election should have been a cakewalk for the Democrats but they stick with their living corpse. This might just break their neck.

[Andrew NDB]

Not at all. But anyway.

Biden was guilty of lies as well. I watched I think it was the MSNBC fact check and it was a walloping number of them. Obvious ones, of course. The biggest one that I know for a fact Biden knows isn't true is the rate of inflation when he came into office. He is literally preying on the ignorant. But if he just keeps saying it, yadda yadda, Better Call Saul season 2.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Not gonna lie, actually felt sorry for Biden after this debate. He looked so lost.

As a non-American, I think Trump was far better on Foreign Policy in this debate.

I appreciated Trump for speaking out against Ukraine aid and saying that Biden needs to let Israel go.

[Mayhem]

Rather sums up my take on seeing highlights...

Biden: Someone remembered to wind him up halfway through the debate, and he finally landed some solid punches back at Trump by the end.

Trump: The usual lies, slander, and bull **** we expected, and ducking questions like it was the draft again.

Now by saying the US needs to reduce ties to Israel, wonder how that will affect Trump's support in the Jewish communities? Because if it's two things I've learned observing US politics for 30 odd years, you don't say anything against God, and you don't say anything negative about Israel. Unfortunately Ukraine aid needs to continue otherwise Putin will get the whole country eventually.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

I think Trump is breaking new ground by not openly worshipping Israel like other Republicians. It's not going to win him more Zionist support for sure though.

Sure, I would've liked it more if he was more explicit and said something like "We need to stop pouring money into Israel because America comes first and we should keep our nose out of their business".

But as is, I think it was remarkable seeing Trump say that Israel, not Hamas, is keeping the war going, and that Biden needs to let Israel go, so "they can finish the job". By American president standards, that kind of criticism of supporting Israel is unheard of.

[Barkworm]

Not at all. But anyway.

Biden was guilty of lies as well. I watched I think it was the MSNBC fact check and it was a walloping number of them. Obvious ones, of course. The biggest one that I know for a fact Biden knows isn't true is the rate of inflation when he came into office. He is literally preying on the ignorant. But if he just keeps saying it, yadda yadda, Better Call Saul season 2.
I know for a fact that Biden has repeatedly lied about the inflation rate when he took office but where did he do this in this debate? I watched parts of the debate and read the transcripts but I did not find that.

[Coola Yagami]

So pretty much Biden stumbled his way through the debate and almost malfunctioned after one of the questions, and Trump was all used car salesman where every answer was 'my term was the best ever, best numbers ever, highest jobs ever, etc etc'.

My favorite parts was when Biden lost his patience and fired back at Trump.

Also according to Trump, he never slept with a porn star and he never called US veterans 'suckers and losers' which triggered Biden in particular.

Overall this year's election is ****ed. We're forced to choose between a carnie conman and a guy that will be lucky if he lives through a second term.

[Bahamut810]

and a guy that will be lucky if he lives through a second term.

...Second term, leaving a VP who was unelectable to be president.

[ToTheNines]

So what’s really going on here? I try to be as objective as possible and I don’t even vote anymore, but I remember thinking 4 years ago that Biden was too old and out of it, and that this was legitimate elder abuse.

4 years of mainstream lib media lying through their teeth and spinning Biden into something that he’s not, saying HE HAS A STUTTER! When he clearly is just gone.

Overnight the entire DNC crowd collectively decides to start being honest? A week ago he’s Superman but after one bad debate they throw him under the bus? Something fishy is going on for sure.


I think Trump is breaking new ground by not openly worshipping Israel like other Republicians. It's not going to win him more Zionist support for sure though.

Sure, I would've liked it more if he was more explicit and said something like "We need to stop pouring money into Israel because America comes first and we should keep our nose out of their business".

But as is, I think it was remarkable seeing Trump say that Israel, not Hamas, is keeping the war going, and that Biden needs to let Israel go, so "they can finish the job". By American president standards, that kind of criticism of supporting Israel is unheard of.

Yeah that was unbelievable. I think this, more than anything, is going to secure the election for him.

[IMJ]

Yeah that was unbelievable. I think this, more than anything, is going to secure the election for him.

Not necessarily. The Dems will pull a power play and nominate another candidate to run against Trump, and it will likely be some kind of candidate "box checker" so that America's peasant-thinker can vote for that instead of voting on real issues for the country. That's how the Dems have played it for years now. Basically exploit the low-lever thinker because cliches always work on society's peasant-thinkers.

So no, honestly I don't think a second term for Trump is a sure thing by any stretch.

Immediate and proximate evidence of Peasant-Thinkers in America - 1 in 3 people believed Biden "won" the debate:
https://i.imgur.com/ANQ93Rum.jpg

And some of you clowns post right here on these forums too, I'm sure. That is your base Democratic voter right there, as captured by that poll. Agenda-Clowns, haters and savants with blue hair.

[Cowabung-Gal]

Seriously, though, even if they weren’t politically aware before, after watching that disastrous debate, who would ever think of voting for Biden? What would be their reasons?

“Well, he’s not Trump.”

“Okay, what else?”

https://media1.tenor.com/m/W9O5f2lruzoAAAAC/the-swan.gif

According to Timcast, someone posted that they’d vote for Biden even if he was in a coma. :ohwell:

Look, if neither guy fits the bill, there’s always the independent candidate. Or don’t vote at all.

[IMJ]

One in THREE.

Modern liberals are nothing more than peasant-thinkers hunting Frankenstein's monster with torches as an outlet for their narcissism.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Anyone saw Biden's speech the morning after the debate? Looks like a Teleprompter and drugs make a huge difference.

I've heard Conspiracy Theories that Biden was set up to fail on the debate stage so someone would replace him. Honestly, that sounds very plausible at this point.

[Mayhem]

Basically exploit the low-lever thinker because cliches always work on society's peasant-thinkers.
You’re forgetting a great many peasant thinkers also vote Republican. Cliches? “Make America Great Again” anyone? Also “**** your feelings” apparently.

They are both too old and too senile, it’s laughable these are the candidates that party members (that’s you ordinary public here btw who paid to be part of each party) want to represent you.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

I do wonder sometimes if Trump wins, whether he will make it to the end of his term.

I hope so, because I really, really dislike the establishment republicians (aka cuckservatives), and Trump is an outlier in his party in many respects.

Trump better not pick a warmongering America-last person as the Vice President. Fingers crossed.

[Mayhem]

Trump better not pick a warmongering America-last person as the Vice President. Fingers crossed.
Yeah I will say, with voting literally four months away, no announcement yet about his running mate this time.

[Barkworm]

One in THREE.

Modern liberals are nothing more than peasant-thinkers hunting Frankenstein's monster with torches as an outlet for their narcissism.

Come on. You know how this works. A good percentage of people just pick the candidate they agree with as the winner. The other side does that as well.

Also, SOME people might say if you tell outrageous lies in a debate - like democrats wanting to kill babies after birth - you‘re the default loser. Admittedly, Biden saying no soldiers died during his presidency is also pretty bad.

By the way, is Trump Frankenstein‘s monster in your analogy or is the Republican party? Any way, that‘s kid of hilarious.

[oldmanwinters]

Here’s Rob Paulson with a bit of levity on the subject doing a Bernie impression. A refreshingly change of pace from his more recent TDS-inspired postings!
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C83K0bet_Ge/?igsh=MXEwMzV6enYweXNsZg==

[Andrew NDB]

I do wonder sometimes if Trump wins, whether he will make it to the end of his term.

I hope so, because I really, really dislike the establishment republicians (aka cuckservatives), and Trump is an outlier in his party in many respects.

Trump better not pick a warmongering America-last person as the Vice President. Fingers crossed.

If the articles I'm seeing about "Trump's VP pick is whittled down to just 4 candidates" are true... those names aren't very exciting. I don't like her all that much, but I think Nikki Haley would make a lot of sense for a variety of reasons. But she's not on that list.

[Mayhem]

If the articles I'm seeing about "Trump's VP pick is whittled down to just 4 candidates"... those names aren't very exciting. I don't like her all that much, but I think Nikki Haley would make a lot of sense for a variety of reasons. But she's not on that list.
Part of me is glad because I find her even more toxic than Trump. And like Trump, offspring of immigrants trying now to keep immigrants out the US. Hypocrisy really.

[Andrew NDB]

And like Trump, offspring of immigrants trying now to keep illegal immigrants out the US.

Fixed it for you. And I'm the son of a Colombian legal immigrant. My mother fought long and hard to come legally to this country. How do you think she feels about thousands of people pouring over the border every day who get to stay just because they say the magic words?

[Mayhem]

Fixed it for you. And I'm the son of a Colombian legal immigrant. My mother fought long and hard to come legally to this country. How do you think she feels about thousands of people pouring over the border every day who get to stay just because they say the magic words?
No fixing needed. Trump made it a lot lot harder for anyone legally to move to the US as well, which includes becoming a US citizen. Something the likes of Nicki Haley also support. Not just illegals. However it didn’t diminish the number of people still applying or succeeding, just vastly increased the backlogs as a result.

[Bahamut810]

No fixing needed. Trump made it a lot lot harder for anyone legally to move to the US as well, which includes becoming a US citizen. Something the likes of Nicki Haley also support. Not just illegals. However it didn’t diminish the number of people still applying or succeeding, just vastly increased the backlogs as a result.

Legal immigration was pretty stable for the decade leading up to him leaving.

The “Trump Effect” on Legal Immigration Levels: More Perception than Reality? (https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/trump-effect-immigration-reality#:~:text=The%20overall%20number%20of%20admi ssions,unlike%20anything%20seen%20in%20years.)

If he made it harder it does not show in the numbers.

That does not change that the current administration is inciting criminals to cross our border.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Reasons to vote for Trump imo. Feel free to make your own list, even if its for Biden.

1. America First. No more funding foreign wars that cost taxpayer dollars (Ukraine and Israel).
2. Less taxes.
3. Keep Illegals out of the country. America's resources for America's citizens.
4. No LGBT indoctrination on children.
5. Less abortion, keep up the country's birthrate to have a younger and stronger population.
6. Take America out of NATO. Let other countries worry about themselves, not America's problem.

Whether he will follow through on these will remain to be seen. But I dread the alternative.

[Coola Yagami]

Reasons to vote for Trump imo. Feel free to make your own list, even if its for Biden.

1. America First. No more funding foreign wars that cost taxpayer dollars (Ukraine and Israel).
2. Less taxes.
3. Keep Illegals out of the country. America's resources for America's citizens.
4. No LGBT indoctrination on children.
5. Less abortion, keep up the country's birthrate to have a younger and stronger population.
6. Take America out of NATO. Let other countries worry about themselves, not America's problem.

Whether he will follow through on these will remain to be seen. But I dread the alternative.

A lot of those looks like 'yeah right, let's wait and see'. I mean, he didn't keep the illegals out the first time around.

As for abortion, that's a super hot button issue. The more he pushed against that, the more it will cost him the election.


I wish people would vote third party. I think part of it is they don't seem to debate, thus it keeps them out of sight and out of mind. I mean this whole debate was Trump VS Biden, no mention of whoever the hell the third part was.

The one third party guy I remember was Ross Perot back in the day. I don't remember him doing any debates against the other two.

[Andrew NDB]

I wish people would vote third party.

I wish more democrat voters would vote third party. :lol:

[Bahamut810]

A lot of those looks like 'yeah right, let's wait and see'. I mean, he didn't keep the illegals out the first time around.

From what I have been able to tell (because you cant count all the illegal immigrants) illegal immigration was starting a downward trend that led into a sharper decline due to covid thanks to his stay in mexico policy (then pandemic). Everything he tried to do was fought tooth and nail (like the wall which only got some work done to it but no where near what was promised). Even if his work did very little...at least it did *something* as opposed to Biden's "come on and surge to the border! We have room for everyone, reality be damned!"

https://www.statista.com/statistics/646261/unauthorized-immigrant-population-in-the-us/

You can see just how many people are surging over the border much better now that illegal immigrants are being sent to places the media cares about, like New York. They are literally breaking one of the richest cities in America right now. If you want a non-partisan view on it, go look up Cash Jordan on youtube. He used to be a real estate/rental youtuber until the immigration crisis started, but as more problems started get worse an worse and housing is becoming more and more scarce his content has changed to reporting about the deteriorating city, Crime and Immigration.

Does anyone else remember that video about "stop making me defend trump"?

I wish people would vote third party. I think part of it is they don't seem to debate, thus it keeps them out of sight and out of mind. I mean this whole debate was Trump VS Biden, no mention of whoever the hell the third part was.

The one third party guy I remember was Ross Perot back in the day. I don't remember him doing any debates against the other two.

Me too. I do it in my state because I am in one that is a sure shot vote one way or the other. I can understand not wanting to do it in swing states though.

[Mayhem]

1. America First. No more funding foreign wars that cost taxpayer dollars (Ukraine and Israel).
2. Less taxes.
3. Keep Illegals out of the country. America's resources for America's citizens.
4. No LGBT indoctrination on children.
5. Less abortion, keep up the country's birthrate to have a younger and stronger population.
6. Take America out of NATO. Let other countries worry about themselves, not America's problem.
1) So you're happy with Putin taking over Ukraine and spreading into the rest of the ex Soviet Block countries, because I'm not. Finland and Poland are already on higher alert due to their borders and the spread of the invasion. You might be a long way from the "action", a lot of us are not.

Israel is a lot more complex situation. Does the US fund Israel? Israel certainly buys the majority of its weapons from the US that's for sure.

2) Less taxes for billionaires and companies. Trump is a business shill. If you think it will mean significant changes for the "peons", you're sadly mistaken.

3) Anyone enteriong illegally should be processed, that's the minimum under the Geneva convention if they are claiming asylum. I completely get about everyone who isn't claiming and just entering anywhere along the border, we have a similar problem with small boats across the channel. Difference is, the Tories are focussing public ire on these people to distract from the fact they make up less than 1% of the total people entering the country each year.

4) There's a difference between indoctrination and teaching. I could easily say, stop indoctrinating kids about God, teach them but don't ram in down their throats (pertinent given Catholic priests and certain Republican members). But that will never happen in US schools, God is the be all end all.

5) Less legal abortion, more illegal abortion, more people going to other states to have them, more kids abandoned or put up for adoption, more women dying from pregnancy related complications. Basically **** women's body rights. Nice to know where you stand there.

6) Again another hot potato issue. The one part I will agree on is that often America is seen as the world's police, for better or worse. But activities that may seem so far away can still have an effect on the US in the end.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

1) So you're happy with Putin taking over Ukraine and spreading into the rest of the ex Soviet Block countries, because I'm not. Finland and Poland are already on higher alert due to their borders and the spread of the invasion. You might be a long way from the "action", a lot of us are not.

Israel is a lot more complex situation. Does the US fund Israel? Israel certainly buys the majority of its weapons from the US that's for sure

2) Less taxes for billionaires and companies. Trump is a business shill. If you think it will mean significant changes for the "peons", you're sadly mistaken.

3) Anyone enteriong illegally should be processed, that's the minimum under the Geneva convention if they are claiming asylum. I completely get about everyone who isn't claiming and just entering anywhere along the border, we have a similar problem with small boats across the channel. Difference is, the Tories are focussing public ire on these people to distract from the fact they make up less than 1% of the total people entering the country each year.

4) There's a difference between indoctrination and teaching. I could easily say, stop indoctrinating kids about God, teach them but don't ram in down their throats (pertinent given Catholic priests and certain Republican members). But that will never happen in US schools, God is the be all end all.

5) Less legal abortion, more illegal abortion, more people going to other states to have them, more kids abandoned or put up for adoption, more women dying from pregnancy related complications. Basically **** women's body rights. Nice to know where you stand there.

6) Again another hot potato issue. The one part I will agree on is that often America is seen as the world's police, for better or worse. But activities that may seem so far away can still have an effect on the US in the end.

I respect alot of your posts so know I'm not coming from an insulting place. I'll lay my counter-points as follows:

1) Both Ukraine and Israel waste America's money and America does not get anything in return.

2) I certainly get the impression that the Americans got lower taxes under Trump than Biden. And under today's tough economic landscape, the average joe can use all the money they get.

3) I'm not an American, but based on what I've read and heard from relatives in the U.S., I think illegal immigration presents alot of dangers there.

4) Indoctrinating about God is okay. Indoctrinating about LGBT is not. One ideology is clearly better than the other.

5) All those things are avoided with tighter security that makes people afraid to break the law. And the rights of the society to have a strong, young and fit population trumps individual bodily choice, otherwise you'll get elder demographic collapse like Japan and South Korea.

6) When they directly affect America, it should care. Otherwise, its wasted money that should've been directly spent on Americans.

[Barkworm]

Wow, what a great example of a polite exchange of political ideas, FWL and Mayhem. Really refreshing to see.

[Mayhem]

1) Both Ukraine and Israel waste America's money and America does not get anything in return.

2) I certainly get the impression that the Americans got lower taxes under Trump than Biden. And under today's tough economic landscape, the average joe can use all the money they get.

3) I'm not an American, but based on what I've read and heard from relatives in the U.S., I think illegal immigration presents alot of dangers there.

4) Indoctrinating about God is okay. Indoctrinating about LGBT is not. One ideology is clearly better than the other.

5) All those things are avoided with tighter security that makes people afraid to break the law. And the rights of the society to have a strong, young and fit population trumps individual bodily choice, otherwise you'll get elder demographic collapse like Japan and South Korea.

6) When they directly affect America, it should care. Otherwise, its wasted money that should've been directly spent on Americans.
1) You get a much more stable world platform, Putin is basically trying to secure his legacy before he pops his clogs (either from cancer or getting shot in the head) and there is absolutely no way we should let him steamroller another democratic country. Regardless of what you think about Ukraine's president. Because if he gets far enough into Ukraine, both Poland and Finland to name two, have said they will be deploying troops on the ground in case he goes further. I'd rather not see mushroom clouds in the sky during my lifetime.

2) The second part I'll agree with, but a lot of people in a lot of countries are also hurting, it's not just America. Inflation has spiked across a lot of the Western countries, again it's not just America

Trump Administration officials claimed their centerpiece corporate tax rate cut would “very conservatively” lead to a $4,000 boost in household income. New research shows that workers who earned less than about $114,000 on average in 2016 saw “no change in earnings” from the corporate tax rate cut, while top executive salaries increased sharply. Similarly, rigorous research concluded that the tax law’s 20 percent pass-through deduction, which was skewed in favor of wealthy business owners, has largely failed to trickle down to workers in those companies who aren’t owners. Like the Bush tax cuts before it, the 2017 Trump tax cut was a trickle-down failure.

Also, graphs help.


https://www.cbpp.org/sites/default/files/styles/report_580_high_dpi/public/2024-04/Tax%20Cuts%20Skewed%20Towards%20Wealthy%20updated% 204.8.24.png?itok=CXwQ_iky


4) Given the amount of pain, suffering, wars, abuse and terror that religion has caused over the centuries (aside from the positives it has brought), I'm inclined to vehemently disagree here. No one yet has gone to war over being gay.

5) You're basically suggesting a dictatorship here. Individual freedoms are something that the United States was founded upon, correct me if wrong, and you are essentially saying they should be draconially curtailed.

I'm not a woman, but if you started ordering me what I could or couldn't do with my own body, I'd tell you immediately to f off.

The issue of an increasingly elderly population in Japan and South Korea isn't anything to do with abortion, it's about consciously choosing to have less children, in part because people can't afford them. So which would you prefer, fewer children that are better loved and cared for, or the state picking up the tab for looking after swathes of abandoned and fostered unwanted children because parents couldn't make a choice to abort?

6) Get Jeff Bezos to cough up $50b, he can afford it. Or you know, reduce the military budget perhaps. No, we can't possibly do that. There are plenty of options for curbing expenditure, the amount the US is spending on assisting Ukraine is roughly 2% of the total military budget for example. Chicken feed.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

1) If anything, I think American involvement is more likely to bring the mushroom cloud. Putin's main beef with Ukraine is that its cozying up to NATO.

2) I won't contest the numbers you've provided. But after all factors taken into account, wouldn't Americans have more leftover money under Trump than Biden?

4) All those things are part of establishing a civilization. I can't speak for every doctrine Christianity as I am not Christian but the entire belief system has produced powerful empires.

5) Freedom was never absolute in the U.S. I'm no constitutional scholar, but the Founding Fathers probably wouldn't approve of abortion.

As for Japan and South Korea, their collapsing birthrate comes not only from abortion, but it certainly plays its part along with other anti-natalist societal trends like pushing women into the workforce and expanding marriage to people who can't reproduce.

The democratic experiment can only go so far, with countries like Russia and China embracing Autocracy. Even the developments countries of Europe like France and Germany bear witness to this.

6) I agree with you here, reduce the military budget. Get the U.S.A out of all foreign countries.

[Mayhem]

1) And why is Ukraine cosying up to NATO? Because Putin took over Crimea! They can’t fend him off by themselves sadly.

2) Trump, Biden, not really who has been in power. Global inflation, interest rates spiking, petrol price cartels, covid fallout, and issues also via the conflict in Ukraine (which supplies other food and grain harvests) have all contributed. If the presidential terms were swapped, Trump would have been in the same backlash as Biden seemingly is for things outside of America’s control.

[Bahamut810]

1) And why is Ukraine cosying up to NATO? Because Putin took over Crimea! They can’t fend him off by themselves sadly.

If you are worrying about Putin so much, convince your government to do more. The USA is contributing more then the next 5 powers to the effort.

total-bilateral-aid-to-ukraine (https://www.statista.com/statistics/1303432/total-bilateral-aid-to-ukraine/)

We (the USA) would be in a much better place if the EU (and the UK) would pull their own weight protecting their allies and neighbors from Putin.

[Andrew NDB]

1) And why is Ukraine cosying up to NATO? Because Putin took over Crimea! They can’t fend him off by themselves sadly.

We better hope they don't get into NATO, at least while this conflict is going on. Because 5 minutes later we would all be in WWIII, by default.

[Mayhem]

If you are worrying about Putin so much, convince your government to do more. The USA is contributing more then the next 5 powers to the effort.
Every country has a different GDP and thus a different figure based on their wealth generation that they can contribute. You wouldn't expect a tiny country to contribute as much as a huge one such as the US. If we use a different chart from the same site you linked to...

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1303450/bilateral-aid-to-ukraine-in-a-percent-of-donor-gdp/

You will see the UK is donating exactly the same percentage of our GDP as the US is! And many other countries are actually donating more percent wise.

[ZariusTwo]

Post-debate Biden interview set for ABC

https://deadline.com/2024/07/biden-debate-abc-news-interview-george-stephanopoulos-1235999900/

[Andrew NDB]

Every country has a different GDP and thus a different figure based on their wealth generation that they can contribute.

Whose fault is that?

[Coola Yagami]

So now it's coming out that Trump had some interludes with kids, and apparently some of MAGA is turning on him?

Guess it's another four years of Biden.....

[Andrew NDB]

So now it's coming out that Trump had some interludes with kids, and apparently some of MAGA is turning on him?

Where are you getting that? I'd think it would be front page headline news on CNN but I don't see anything.

[Mayhem]

Where are you getting that? I'd think it would be front page headline news on CNN but I don't see anything.
Word is some of the unpublished Epstein papers explicitly name Trump in regards to a few matters, so I’ve been led to believe…

[Coola Yagami]

Twitter's been posting the court documents all day and they go into extensive detail.

[Barkworm]

I haven‘t seen anything on any reputable news outlet about this. It would not be surprising at all (we‘re talking about a guy who has bragged about sexually assaulting women) and it would be ironic because his camp has been framing Biden as a pedophile for years.

BUT: The MAGA crowd wouldn‘t be fazed by this even for a second. Unless he rapes their children in front of their eyes, the liberal media is to blame.

[Autbot_Benz]

Don't forget about that draconian Project2025 nonsense they are gonna try to push if trump wins the election.

[joe-eyeball]

Don't forget about that draconian Project2025 nonsense they are gonna try to push if trump wins the election.

If he wins?

I’ve got news for you if it ends up being Joe vs. Don then Trump is your next president. I would bet the farm on that and I’m not much of gambling man.

[Cowabung-Gal]

I’ve got news for you if it ends up being Joe vs. Don then Trump is your next president. I would bet the farm on that and I’m not much of gambling man.

You’d probably lose that farm and be left with nothing but the outhouse.

You really think the Establishment will let Trump win again?

[FredWolfLeonardo]

To be fair, I think there is more establishment backing for Trump now than in 2016 or 2020. There's some really big names funding his campaign this time around.

The question is, will Trump submit to his elite backers or will he break free like a true America-First revolutionary should? Only time will tell.

[Barkworm]

To be fair, I think there is more establishment backing for Trump now than in 2016 or 2020. There's some really big names funding his campaign this time around.

The question is, will Trump submit to his elite backers or will he break free like a true America-First revolutionary should? Only time will tell.

He is not a revolutionary. He is and always has been a narcissistic opportunist. As if this guy cares one iota about the American people. This election is a grudge match to him because he will never accept that he lost the popular vote twice in a row.

[Andrew NDB]

Twitter's been posting the court documents all day and they go into extensive detail.

I haven‘t seen anything on any reputable news outlet about this. It would not be surprising at all (we‘re talking about a guy who has bragged about sexually assaulting women) and it would be ironic because his camp has been framing Biden as a pedophile for years.

Yeah, I still haven't seen anything still about this. Absolutely, if even a shred of this could be corroborated, the propaganda wing of the government (AKA, the media) would be posting about this everywhere, and in depth. They would LOVE to change the topic from Biden's dementia and would be foaming at the mouth for something like this right now. Which says to me it's bulls***.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

He is not a revolutionary. He is and always has been a narcissistic opportunist. As if this guy cares one iota about the American people. This election is a grudge match to him because he will never accept that he lost the popular vote twice in a row.

I won't disagree with you that he is an opportunist.

Perhaps I'd even go as far as saying that Trump himself is not a revolutionary. His political positions in 2024 are fairly tame and unexceptional.

What I will say though, is that the movement spurred by Trump is revolutionary, because it envisions America being ruled by a strongman dictator. The same movement is gaining traction across much of the world.

[Andrew NDB]

What I will say though, is that the movement spurred by Trump is revolutionary, because it envisions America being ruled by a strongman dictator.

Are you high? We already know what a Trump presidency looks like because we've already had one. And guess what? He wasn't a dictator. No one "envisions" what you're saying but leftist whackjobs who don't even really believe it themselves but they figure if they say it enough, stupid people will buy into the delusion.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

I didn't say Trump was a dictator. I said his positions are fairly tame and unexceptional.

But a good portion of the MAGA and America-First movement does want a strongman dictator, that is what I'm suggesting.

This movement recognises that Trump is not going to be the ideal strongman if he wins, but his win will set a precedent in the right direction.

I say all of this as someone who wants Trump to win.

[Barkworm]

What I will say though, is that the movement spurred by Trump is revolutionary, because it envisions America being ruled by a strongman dictator.
Haha, dude. Your perspective is so interesting. You say this and I agree with you 100 per cent. It‘s just that you think this is a good thing and I think it is absolutely horrible. But your honesty about it makes you so much more likable than the usual MAGA drone who will act like they are supporting a decent human being just because they agree with this clown‘s politics.

I mean, we would probably not be friends in real life because I don‘t support stuff like religious fundamentalism, homophobia or creationism. But it‘s genuinely enjoyable talking to you.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

I genuinely enjoy talking to you too Barkworm. :)

Perhaps one day I might win you over. Perhaps one day you might win me over.

The game of cat and mouse continues.

[Andrew NDB]

Biden says he's staying in the race, that he's ready to run again in 2020. :lol:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/defiant-biden-declares-hes-staying-race-ahead-pivotal-interview

[oldmanwinters]

Twitter peeps are batting around the unconfirmed “reports” that Biden had a medical emergency on Air Force One today and White Press were prevented from riding along. Other tweets say he landed in Delaware just fine. Tis the season of conspiracy theories!

[Cowabung-Gal]

Biden says he's staying in the race, that he's ready to run again in 2020. :lol:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/defiant-biden-declares-hes-staying-race-ahead-pivotal-interview

Somebody’s about to be Clintoned. He’s now a liability to the Democrats.

[MikeandRaph87]

This was too funny not to share.

[Mayhem]

Not quite sure how I frame this headline :lol:

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/heritage-foundation-gay-furry-hackers-texts-1235057421/

Aside from uncovering that the majority of authors on the site are Trump aides and staffers, it also lets us know what they think of furries :D

In related news, Facebook has hired a company to fact check posts about Project 2025. A company run by a fellow at The American Enterprise Institute, which is a Koch lobby. Funnily enough so is The Heritage Foundation. So FB are paying money to a company with ties to P2025 to fact check P2025 posts. Brilliant! :roll:

[ZariusTwo]

Harris is "Vice President Trump"

Zelenski is "Putin"


3Qz1GMpOtUY

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Harris is "Vice President Trump"

Zelenski is "Putin"


3Qz1GMpOtUY

Thats not a Gaffe, thats an alternate timeline slipping through the cracks :lol:

[Autbot_Benz]

JD Vance is Trump's new VP

[Andrew NDB]

JD Vance is Trump's new VP

Apparently he's a pretty smart guy, writer of Hillbilly Elegy and so on, but I don't really know anything about him. Not an "Exciting" pick, by any means, but better than some of the names on that "short list" I saw a couple weeks ago. I can't imagine this helps or hurts his campaign at all.

[IMJ]

Apparently he's a pretty smart guy, writer of Hillbilly Elegy and so on, but I don't really know anything about him. Not an "Exciting" pick, by any means, but better than some of the names on that "short list" I saw a couple weeks ago. I can't imagine this helps or hurts his campaign at all.

I might have read somewhere that this new VP guy is secretly a "gay furry hacker".

Not sure if that means he dresses up and does computer stuff, or if it means that he is on an inappropriate lookout for alphabet people in animal costumes though.

Either way though - that's definitely a label along with the Hillbilly Elegy title....

[Andrew NDB]

In related news, Facebook has hired a company to fact check posts about Project 2025.

Nobody cares about Project 2025... except leftists. It's like the leftist version of Qanon. It's pretty weird.

[Mayhem]

Nobody cares about Project 2025... except leftists. It's like the leftist version of Qanon. It's pretty weird.
You mean aside from being a right wing think tank proposal with ties and authors from current and past Trump staffers and team members?

[Autbot_Benz]

You mean aside from being a right wing think tank proposal with ties and authors from current and past Trump staffers and team members?

Also being the most Draconian **** ever created pretty sure that's why most people hate it.

[Mayhem]

Also being the most Draconian **** ever created pretty sure that's why most people hate it.
Oh I’m not going to argue there either, just a bit frightening that a decent percentage of the population actually think and want that.

[Autbot_Benz]

Oh I’m not going to argue there either, just a bit frightening that a decent percentage of the population actually think and want that.

agreed on that.

[Andrew NDB]

You mean aside from being a right wing think tank proposal with ties and authors from current and past Trump staffers and team members?

Who cares? Trump doesn't even like it and has said so.

Also being the most Draconian **** ever created pretty sure that's why most people hate it.

No one's even really read it, it's 900+ pages. But jesus people are becoming morons over this thing. All it is is a series of recommendations for a hypothetical republican president in 2025. Recommendations, backed up by nothing. And Trump already said he isn't interested in any of it, so that's that. That's the big shadow conspiracy.

[Mayhem]

Now I’m not one for conspiracies, but Trump has to deny it, whether he believes in it or not, for the obvious reasons. So just because he says so… and like hah hah, everything out of his mouth is the truth :lol:

[Leo656]

Now I’m not one for conspiracies, but Trump has to deny it, whether he believes in it or not, for the obvious reasons. So just because he says so… and like hah hah, everything out of his mouth is the truth :lol:

High school dropout. "Too smart for it."

Trump loves the poorly educated. And they love him more.

As a species we gave up on eugenics far too quickly.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

The Trumpian movement can pave the way for Eugenics though since much of the movement supports totalitarianism which enables Eugenic policies.

I can't be bothered to comment in the other thread as well. but I love the "we don't have rights" piece you wrote. That's why I support a totalitarian dictatorship, it doesn't waste time with "rights", it just goes straight to business.

Obviously we don't have the same takeaways, but still love reading your thoughts. Miss you man.

[Leo656]

No, you support a totalitarian dictatorship because you're a scumbag.

I don't miss you Now and I'll miss you even less when you and Cure are sharing Mojitos.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Love it man, no sugarcoating, just straight to your honest thoughts :tlol:

[Leo656]

I want to eat your skin.

[neatoman]

I want to eat your skin.

... Like pork rinds?

[IndigoErth]

... Like pork rinds?
I was tempted to post THE gif. Lol

[ToTheNines]

The election is over folks (unless the next attempt is successful). Stop caring and get on with your lives.

It's like the leftist version of Qanon. It's pretty weird.

Lol said this to my wife yesterday.

[Bahamut810]

The election is over folks (unless the next attempt is successful). Stop caring and get on with your lives.



Lol said this to my wife yesterday.

YEah, I wish that wasn't the case. I don't like either of them. I want a newer, younger hip crowd like someone in their 50's or something.

But yeah...Trump probably gonna win.

[Mayhem]

YEah, I wish that wasn't the case. I don't like either of them. I want a newer, younger hip crowd like someone in their 50's or something.
That's the one thing we do agree on. Both are old and showing obvious signs of dementia or senility.

[Andrew NDB]

Hm, what's this now? Cops killed someone next to the RNC?

https://www.foxnews.com/us/police-shoot-kill-person-near-rnc-perimeter-milwaukee-sources

[IndigoErth]

According to that link it happened 2 miles away, not next to the place, and was a homeless guy who lived at a nearby homeless camp, so it explains the proximity.

They need to release what made the cops react and shoot him. Says he had a knife and being homeless he may well have suffered mental illness, so it hardly sounds like someone with the wherewithal to be plotting something big.

[Mayhem]

They need to release what made the cops react and shoot him. Says he had a knife and being homeless he may well have suffered mental illness, so it hardly sounds like someone with the wherewithal to be plotting something big.
The report says the man ran at the person he was arguing with, brandishing the knives, after the cops asked him several times to put down the weapons, so the cops shot him in response.

[Mayhem]

https://i.imgur.com/43UGUVY.jpeg

[Andrew NDB]

Oh well. So did a lot of the country because of the news.

[Mayhem]

It's just intriguing given his disdain for Trump, that he's been picked.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

https://i.imgur.com/43UGUVY.jpeg

That's great :lol:

I'm suspicious of Vance for sure due to his Never-Trumper history. But hoping that he will be a MAGA loyalist, not like that traitor Mike Pence.

[Cowabung-Gal]

Mark Hamill got roasted by Gina Carano on X:

“How’s that white democrat male privilege treating you? Been fired from any jobs recently?

It really makes you wonder what the deep state has on you for you to have your head so permanently jammed up their a** to where all you’ve become is their walking, talking piece of dung.”

:lol:

[Andrew NDB]

It's really interesting how the democratic party, like, overnight completely gave up on replacing Biden or getting him to step down. Like there was this communal, "*sigh* What's the point now?" across the party.

[Cowabung-Gal]

It's really interesting how the democratic party, like, overnight completely gave up on replacing Biden or getting him to step down. Like there was this communal, "*sigh* What's the point now?" across the party.

What is the point anymore? What do the Democrats even have left on the table? Talentless DEI hires? Jew-bashing Marxists? Dylan Mulvaney? They know they’re cooked.

[Andrew NDB]

What is the point anymore? What do the Democrats even have left on the table?

Slick, slimy scumbags like Gavin Newsom, for one. I don't think it would work for them but you never know. And obviously they dug their own grave by putting Kamala there... since now there's no way around her (not without COMPLETELY undermining their stated agenda), and they emphatically don't want her.

[oldmanwinters]

EDIT:
A timely twist:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/biden-says-d-consider-dropping-181343554.html

Mark Hamill got roasted by Gina Carano on X:

“How’s that white democrat male privilege treating you? Been fired from any jobs recently?

It really makes you wonder what the deep state has on you for you to have your head so permanently jammed up their a** to where all you’ve become is their walking, talking piece of dung.”

:lol:

This is the on-screen duel in a galaxy far, far away that I'd pay to see on the big or small screen.

[vicsavage]

Mark Hamill got roasted by Gina Carano on X:

“How’s that white democrat male privilege treating you? Been fired from any jobs recently?

It really makes you wonder what the deep state has on you for you to have your head so permanently jammed up their a** to where all you’ve become is their walking, talking piece of dung.”

:lol:

remember she was such a bad actress she had to be dubbed in Haywire

[Autbot_Benz]

remember she was such a bad actress she had to be dubbed in Haywire

ya I have seen pornstars show more emotion in their acting than Gina one note Carano :lol:

[joe-eyeball]

Slick, slimy scumbags like Gavin Newsom, for one. I don't think it would work for them but you never know. And obviously they dug their own grave by putting Kamala there... since now there's no way around her (not without COMPLETELY undermining their stated agenda), and they emphatically don't want her.

At this point I really don’t think the democrats could get anyone with clout to step up and try it. I mean they would be risking their one shot at the top in very short notice when it looks bleak for any chance of victory. And the democrats will toss that person aside if they don’t beat Trump. The way I see it they are stuck with Biden and are going to be forced to drag him across the finish line.

It’s their own fault because four years ago they screwed Bernie to give to an establishment hack like Biden the nom and then doubled down on their mistake by teaming him with Kamala because they were more concerned about cultural optics than planning for the future when they should’ve been honest with their constituents rather than gaslight them into believing Biden could go 8 years if needed. The whole time the plan should’ve been to make Biden a one term transition with the VP being the future of their party. They never thought in a million years Trump would rise back up and now they’re screwed.

They did it to themselves and now they have to reap what they sowed.

[Mayhem]

Medical emergency he says? He’s tested Covid positive he says? :toops:

[ZariusTwo]

Hulk Hogan scheduled to talk at the Republican Convention today, apparently right before Trump's acceptance speech.

[oldmanwinters]

Medical emergency he says? He’s tested Covid positive he says? :toops:

Watched the PBS coverage of the RNC convention last night and just about every talking head on the panel were discussing likely strategies for Biden to exit the presidential race. It's like it has been accepted as an inevitability and not even a topic to debate/argue about.

My gut feeling is that a story breaks before 6pm ET tonight in order to upstage the last night of the RNC and Trump's address.

Hulk Hogan scheduled to talk at the Republican Convention today, apparently right before Trump's acceptance speech.

Legally, will it be from the perspective of "Hulk Hogan" or "Terry Bollea"?

[ZariusTwo]

Legally, will it be from the perspective of "Hulk Hogan" or "Terry Bollea"?

Hogan can still legally use that name.

[Cowabung-Gal]

Trump is enjoying Hulk Hogan’s speech. He is just grinning ear to half-ear.

[Mayhem]

https://i.imgur.com/LFvBBvm.jpeg

[Andrew NDB]

Hahaha. So funny, about a bandage applied to a guy's ear that just got shot a couple days ago. Hysterical stuff.

[Bahamut810]

Hahaha. So funny, about a bandage applied to a guy's ear that just got shot a couple days ago. Hysterical stuff.

Lets be honest...that bit thing looks like overkill. I wouldn't put it by him to ham it up for the cameras. I don't know how they would normally take care of a wound like that though.

[Autbot_Benz]

Hahaha. So funny, about a bandage applied to a guy's ear that just got shot a couple days ago. Hysterical stuff.

Ya its even funnier his cult I mean followers were wearing stuff on their ears too in solidarity.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Ya its even funnier his cult I mean followers were wearing stuff on their ears too in solidarity.

It's honestly a very smart marketing tactic.

[Andrew NDB]

Lets be honest...that bit thing looks like overkill. I wouldn't put it by him to ham it up for the cameras. I don't know how they would normally take care of a wound like that though.

You really think he did his own bandage? There's probably a healing pack under there.

[Mayhem]

Hahaha. So funny, about a bandage applied to a guy's ear that just got shot a couple days ago. Hysterical stuff.
What, you mean like how he made fun of a disabled journalist at one rally during his run for presidency in 2016? Hysterical stuff. He did that, he's fair game for having the piss taken out of him for everything since imo.

[Cowabung-Gal]

What, you mean like how he made fun of a disabled journalist at one rally during his run for presidency in 2016?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3790226/Trump-s-impression-disabled-reporter-just-result-limited-repertoire-impressions.html

Oh, right. From the same media that claimed that Nick Sandmann was “bullying” a Native American and then they ended up paying him millions in defamation suits. The same media that called the George Floyd riots “fiery but mostly peaceful” while their reporters literally stood in front of burning buildings. The same media that claimed that it would only take two weeks to defeat Covid and that it was misinformation to assume that it was a lab leak. The same media that called Biden sharp and cognitively able right before he made a mockery of himself during the last debate, and now they pretend that they never knew how bad his mental condition was but those who have been paying attention aren’t fooled.

I mean, Trump really did set himself up for that one, and he definitely has issues, but can we really trust the media at this point?

[Mayhem]

Aside from the fact DMG is quite right leaning… so of course they’d spin it out that way. It’s not known as the Daily Fail for nothing… given it’s the first time most anyone would have seen this “impression” then the pairing against the journalist could have been better timed…

[Autbot_Benz]

Joe Biden is out

https://x.com/JoeBiden/status/1815080881981190320/photo/1

[Mayhem]

Going to make it interesting. Presume what happens now is same as if they weren’t in power, people put themselves up, get support, quickly campaign, and whoever gets the most votes gets the nod?

[CyberCubed]

It's Joeover. The man could barely speak and makes sense for him to step down, I don't even think he will even live for another 4 years. He's already nominated Kamala Harris.

[Coola Yagami]

Heard the rumors and was like 'I'll believe it when I see it' but damn, guess he really did step down.

[Iroh]

I'm just sitting back and enjoying the ride. I already have MREs and other tools stashed away just in case of an emergency. I know how to live off grid because I was raised in México. We learned how to farm, cultivate water, etc.

[CyberCubed]

Remember all those people who back in 2016 threatened to immigrate to Canada when Trump became president. Most of them did not.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Remember all those people who back in 2016 threatened to immigrate to Canada when Trump became president. Most of them did not.

My mentality has always been that if you don't like your country, fight to make it a better place rather than leave it for a place where you will be an alien.

My country is one of the most liberal in the world and I don't like it but this is my homeland and this is where I will stay for the rest of my life.

[IndigoErth]

Sad for him to see him have to decide it, but it's become hard to watch him try to keep going simply because he felt he needed to.

Should be interesting to see how quickly (or not) people get behind whoever is the late nominee.

[Roseangelo]

Kamala has zero chance.

[IndigoErth]

Yeah, I don't see her having much chance either. Maybe if she'd been a very visible VP that had won people over with her own work, but through this presidency I've mostly just been wondering where she even is.

I can see Joe feeling differently simply from different perspective because he's familiar with her and works with her but might not understand public perspective. And if she gets the nomination, it just kinda feels like a default choice.

I've got nothing against the woman, I haven't had any reason to have bad feelings about her... I've simply had little reason to develop any feeling or opinion one way or the other.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Kamala has zero chance.

Between her being a woman, black and having potential election fraud on her side, I'd say there is a chance.

But I'm still left wondering, who is going to be Kamala's VP pick?

[joe-eyeball]

I find it hilarious how anyone could believe that 1. Biden made the decision to step out of the race and 2. Kamala gives the dems a better shot at winning!

Biden was 100% absolutely forced out and Kamala is easily the worst candidate of my lifetime and that’s saying something! The party that screams democracy has certainly proved they are anything but democratic. So much for the will of the people as it’s more like the will of rich donor elites and elected higher ups! But I guess it’s always been that way?

Now it will be comical to see the same media that gaslighted millions of Americans into believing Biden was doing great health wise until they claimed he wasn’t will now gaslight them into believing the Democrats are doing great in their handling with all of this?

[IndigoErth]

Biden was 100% absolutely forced out
Since you were in the room when the decision was made, maybe you can give us the details.

[Andrew NDB]

It'll be months of Kamala chuckling maniacally and probably calling Trump a racist a lot. No, she doesn't have any chance.

It's Joeover. The man could barely speak and makes sense for him to step down,

That's the thing, though. He's NOT stepping down. He's just not running a second term. He's still "the president," even though we know he's not actually doing that.

[CyberCubed]

I mean he only has 6 months left anyway, so I don't think it matters too much. He'll just ride it out like he's been doing.

[Cowabung-Gal]

Hey hey
Bye Bye Bye , BIDEN
Bye Bye

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/51L0qq1x9fL._AC_SX679_.jpg

[joe-eyeball]

Since you were in the room when the decision was made, maybe you can give us the details.

You’d have to be incomprehensibly dense to believe anything other than just that! His failing mental faculties have been in obvious decline for years and the media covered for him and then he has a disastrous debate making it impossible for even the most brainwashed idiot to deny it anymore and that same media and democrat party finally admitted it was true and then went on a massive hit campaign on their own guy to get him removed! The “details” have been aired out in public over the last several weeks. The Democrat machine has been springing leaks about his campaign and the fact that most of the people at the top wanted him out. They literally made it impossible for him to stay in the race ergo he was forced out. But you keep sleepwalking through all this!

[IndigoErth]

Again, you still seem to think you were present when those decisions were made and confusing your feelings and assumptions for facts.

No matter, now Trump will be the only bumbling old man and in sharp contrast with a younger competitor.

[Andrew NDB]

Again, you still seem to think you were present when those decisions were made and confusing your feelings and assumptions for facts.

No matter, now Trump will be the only bumbling old man and in sharp contrast with a younger competitor.

Kamala isn't like a "young woman." She'll be 60 by the time November comes around. And the contrast will be her standing next to Trump while she is only able to communicate in weird platitudes and maniacal laughter. I admit, though, this is somewhat concerning. With Biden, a LOT of democrats certainly weren't going to vote for Trump, but they were planning to just stay home or throw away a vote for, say, Kennedy. With Harris, those same democrats might at least bother to vote now.

It's too bad that unless something BIG happens, we'll be robbed of any Vance-Harris debates. I don't know much about Vance but he does seem like he's a great orator and knows what he's talking about.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

I can't wait to watch the Trump Harris debate in September. Peak entertainment incoming.

[Mayhem]

Kamala isn't like a "young woman." She'll be 60 by the time November comes around. And the contrast will be her standing next to Trump while she is only able to communicate in weird platitudes and maniacal laughter. I admit, though, this is somewhat concerning. With Biden, a LOT of democrats certainly weren't going to vote for Trump, but they were planning to just stay home or throw away a vote for, say, Kennedy. With Harris, those same democrats might at least bother to vote now.
She won't have a chance, if she gets the nod, Trump will duck out of any debate with her, it seems almost inevitable. Mostly because I think she'd completely show him up, so what has he got to gain? Has she been a great VP? Not hugely, but she's way more savvy and with it than Trump is. You only have to see how incomprehensible Trump gets off teleprompter too.

[Zulithe]

Kamala would rip Trump to shreds in any debate. All Trump brings to any debate is lie and deny, no substance. Fundraising has already skyrocketed since Sunday and it's only been one day. A lot to shake out still but I wouldn't underestimate Kamala's chances. This turn of events has been a shot in the arm for the dems.

Rs are hating what is happening right now because the only dirt they got on her is... they don't like her laugh? lol. Can't attack her for her skin or sex either (in public anyway), as much as many of them would like to. It's gotta hurt something awful. :lol:

I see a lot of respect coming from Ds towards Biden for this. He accepeted that his decline can't be ignored and it's time to step away. There should be no shame in that, age comes for us all. We have to stop having these 80yos running for President.

[CyberCubed]

Kamala is a strong black woman but I don't think she really has any chance of beating Trump. A lot of people still won't vote for a woman president, let alone a black woman due to racism, even regardless of what she says.

I honestly think Trump might win now. Just look at what happened with Hilary Clinton when so many people thought she was a shoe-in to beat Trump in 2016.

[IndigoErth]

Kamala isn't like a "young woman." She'll be 60 by the time November comes around.
I did say younger, not young. Nor am I going on the assumption that it's automatically going to be her who is nominated. The DNC might respect Biden's endorsement and give it to her, but that remains to be seen.

That said... He's got over 18 years on her and she's not even retirement age. Old age is also like the life bookend opposite the later childhood and teen years with likewise a lot of change in just a few years time. If a 59/60 year old is healthy, they've got a lot left in them and that is a fairly big gap between that age and someone like Trump who is 78, already declined some, and will inevitably also start declining more rapidly as he nears and passes 80.

[Bahamut810]

Rs are hating what is happening right now because the only dirt they got on her is... they don't like her laugh? lol. Can't attack her for her skin or sex either (in public anyway), as much as many of them would like to. It's gotta hurt something awful. :lol:

Wasn't there a big to do about her prosecution history where she was keeping innocent people in prison? I don't remember 100%

No one should attack her for her skin or sex. They should be looking at what she has (or hasn't done). I will have to look at her stances and record before I decide who to vote for.

[Andrew NDB]

I did say younger, not young. Nor am I going on the assumption that it's automatically going to be her who is nominated. The DNC might respect Biden's endorsement and give it to her, but that remains to be seen.

They have to. The 100 million campaign egg is non-transferrable to any other candidate other than Kamala Harris. They're not going to walk away from that.

That said... He's got over 18 years on her and she's not even retirement age.

In two years she is.

No one should attack her for her skin or sex. They should be looking at what she has (or hasn't done). I will have to look at her stances and record before I decide who to vote for.

What she's done in office as VP:

* She's really interested in electric schoolbuses.

* She likes venn diagrams.

* She was put in charge of the border and then only bothered to sort of visit it after being shamed about lying about having gone. And then proceeded to not do anything about the border.

That's it, in a nutshell.

[Mayhem]

https://i.imgur.com/51TDE6D.jpeg

If she gets the nod, she has to campaign on these sorts of points to persuade the non MAGA deludeds swing voters…


In two years she is.
Erm, what, the US female retirement age is 66, likely to be 67 by the time she reaches that point. Or do you mean the point you can start claiming social security retirement payments? You can at 62 but it wouldn’t be the full amount (a bit like here then) so why bother.

[Andrew NDB]

Kamala would rip Trump to shreds in any debate. All Trump brings to any debate is lie and deny, no substance. Fundraising has already skyrocketed since Sunday and it's only been one day. A lot to shake out still but I wouldn't underestimate Kamala's chances. This turn of events has been a shot in the arm for the dems.

I think a big Trump and Kamala debate would be less about either of them "ripping each other to shreds" (though I'd easily give the odds of the "ripper" to Trump) and more about Kamala completely exposing herself for what we already know she is on the big stage: completely vacuous and a joke. Now, to be fair... would there be any real benefit for Trump debating Kamala? I'm not so sure. Honestly I think Trump's best bet is not to debate her, just to let things ride on what we've already seen and heard of her. Those two in a room arguing runs the risk of further angering suburban women (old white man vs. black woman and you can imagine the narrative there), no matter really how it even ends up going, though those are largely out of the picture anyway. Though again, there's very, very stupid people out there and whole flocks of them who really haven't been paying any attention to Kamala and just assume she's been doing super secret awesome stuff on the side this whole time, so maybe these people need a real-time debate caliber dosing of who she is and what she's done (or hasn't done) in prime time coverage.

[Barkworm]

[...]Though again, there's very, very stupid people out there[...]
I know you love calling people stupid but face it: There are countless times on these boards when you misquoted people, linked articles and videos that you yourself hadn't even read (or understood?) and posted statements that were factually flat out wrong.

Writing glorified fanfiction doesn't make you a college professor.

[Andrew NDB]

I know you love calling people stupid but face it: There are countless times on these boards when you misquoted people, linked articles and videos that you yourself hadn't even read (or understood?) and posted statements that were factually flat out wrong.

Writing glorified fanfiction doesn't make you a college professor.

I should retract a bit. By "stupid people" I simply mean the vast order of people that simply aren't studying the news. Which really isn't even a stab at them at all... most people don't have time to do so, or the interest. Which is fine. But it also means they aren't armed with anything other than maybe a vague sort of understanding of general talking points gleamed from media or casual conversation. Though I guess with the "very, very stupid people" label I'm strictly talking about the people who are sheep-level societally. "Tell me what to do? Who to follow? I'll do it." And so on.

Writing glorified fanfiction doesn't make you a college professor.

Ah. Now it's coming out. OK. Well believe it or not I generally like you and find you pretty sound-minded for the most part. For what it's worth, which is probably little.

[Barkworm]

That describes a vast amount of voters on both sides although there is enough statistical evidence that a big part of those who "aren't studying the news" vote Republican. And they know it. Remember when Rick Santorum said "the smart people" will never be on their side or Bobby Jindal called on fellow Republicans to "stop being the stupid party"? Yeah.

But I appreciate your effort at a polite reply to my admittedly snarky post. So, apologies for being sarcastic.

EDIT: Or for being an asshole because that's what my post sounds like. Yeah, sorry.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Global Press on X is reporting that Biden is in hospice care, unlikely to survive the night, and all his future meetings have been cancelled.

Don't know these guys and I'm not saying Biden's dead for sure, but GP correctly predicted Biden dropping out 2 days before it happened (I think the same source told them about the hospice today).

[Mayhem]

Global Press on X is reporting that Biden is in hospice care, unlikely to survive the night, and all his future meetings have been cancelled.
Not seeing anything about this anywhere, but that doesn't mean anything as you'd keep a bunch of stuff hush hush on this anyhow if true.

Was just noting over the weekend that getting Covid was probably the final straw for Biden to decide to withdraw from the race. Might be more serious...

The whammy here is that if Biden dies before the election, Harris becomes President and then can only be in power another four years if she wins in November, she can't run in 2028.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

It makes sense that Biden dropped out now, he knew his time was coming to an end and chose Kamala as his successor.

The news by Global Press came out 5 hours ago. Who knows, might be the front page headlines by tomorrow morning.

[IndigoErth]

What.

There are articles this morning (from regular news sources) reporting that his Covid symptoms are almost gone and that he will be returning to the White House this afternoon.


Edit: Also...

but GP correctly predicted Biden dropping out 2 days before it happened.

2 Days? It was rumored in recent weeks that he might bow out of it, and still longer than two days ago it was reported that he was discussing it with his family. They didn't predict anything, they just pulled a 50/50 guess based on what was already reported.


Oh, and here's your guy, supposedly "in hospice care," this afternoon shortly after 52:00 in the video:

Link not embedding for me, so direct link: https://www.youtube.com/live/kcBvCbJAkug?si=i1pE-c-IYcrSjwIG

Maybe you should reconsider what sources you're choosing to put your trust in.

[MikeandRaph87]

Not seeing anything about this anywhere, but that doesn't mean anything as you'd keep a bunch of stuff hush hush on this anyhow if true.

Was just noting over the weekend that getting Covid was probably the final straw for Biden to decide to withdraw from the race. Might be more serious...

The whammy here is that if Biden dies before the election, Harris becomes President and then can only be in power another four years if she wins in November, she can't run in 2028.

If Biden dies which automatically raises Harris to the presidentcy she served less than two years thus is eligible for two terms. It's two four year terms or no greater than 10 years in office according to the 25th amendment of the constitution.

It makes sense that Biden dropped out now, he knew his time was coming to an end and chose Kamala as his successor.

The news by Global Press came out 5 hours ago. Who knows, might be the front page headlines by tomorrow morning.

Kamala Harris was not chosen. As the vice president on the ticket she is the only other person entitled to the campaign funds raised through July 21st. If someone else took the baton to run it would mean the campaign funds are legally barred from whomever else and has to start from scratch.

[Mayhem]

I was forgetting that bit re 25A, cheers.

So if the campaign funds were barred, what happens to them?

[MikeandRaph87]

I was forgetting that bit re 25A, cheers.

So if the campaign funds were barred, what happens to them?

It's hard to explain how it works without sounding like a textbook:
Once a person drops out of a race, permissible uses include charitable donations and donations to other candidates while personal use is prohibited. Every penny is tracked from the campaign in the finacial submissions of the campaign. Campaigns may refund money to donors or redistribute it with their permission if ot exceeds over $2,500 when they drop out.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Maybe you should reconsider what sources you're choosing to put your trust in.

I didn't trust them though, I merely found it interesting because their claim gained alot of traction. Why the passive aggressiveness?

The Global Press deleted their account since Biden is still alive, and they said they'd delete their account if their source was incorrect. Atleast I respect them for upholding their promise.

[IndigoErth]

What even was that if they'd say they'd just up and delete? Just some random person throwing their thoughts at the wall to see what stuck? lol

Nothing passive aggressiveness about my direct statements.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

What even was that even if they'd say they'd just up and delete? Just some random person throwing their thoughts at the wall to see what stuck? lol

No idea, but I guess they got their 5 minutes of fame lol.

In other news, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is set to meet Trump and Biden. He certainly has alot at stake in this election, and I honestly think he prefers a Democrat victory.

[Mayhem]

In other news, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is set to meet Trump and Biden. He certainly has alot at stake in this election, and I honestly think he prefers a Democrat victory.
That isn't too shocking given Trump's previous statements on Israel.

[Andrew NDB]

In other news, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is set to meet Trump and Biden. He certainly has alot at stake in this election, and I honestly think he prefers a Democrat victory.

Again? I thought I just read that he just flew in to meet Biden and Harris but neither one was there to meet with him.

[Mayhem]

Trump has a new enemy... Swifties! :lol:

Apparently new voter registration in the under 35s is up 700% since this campaign began.


https://i.imgur.com/6vY7sMf.png

[Mayhem]

After Monday's brief attempt to wriggle out of a debate with Harris (apparently host broadcaster ABC is 'too biased'), Trump has confirmed he will debate her on September 10th - pretty much because he has to.

//grabs popcorn

[FredWolfLeonardo]

I wonder if Swifties for Trump will ever become a thing as many Gen-Zers who are her fans are anti-war and between the two candidates, Trump is the one who wants to take American money out of foreign conflicts.

[Barkworm]

So far, even though Trump is still leading overall, the change in candidates has led to a clear uptick in the polls for the Democrats who have been doing a relatively good job in unifying around Harris. When Harris announces a suitable running mate and after the DNC there will likely be enough of a polling bump to get ahead in the polls.

In the end it's all up to Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania. Harris can only make it if she wins all three of them because unlike 2020, Arizona, Georgia and even Nevada seem impossible.

[Mayhem]

In the end it's all up to Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania. Harris can only make it if she wins all three of them because unlike 2020, Arizona, Georgia and even Nevada seem impossible.
Might make sense to pick her running mate from one of those three.

[Mayhem]

Trump backs out of 10th September debate... needless to say Kamala been trolling him...

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/kamala-harris-trump-debate-any-time-b2586303.html

[Andrew NDB]

Makes sense. He has nothing to gain from debating her except allowing her to expose herself off-prompter... while walking into a minefield she could create of racism/sexism nonsense.

[CyberCubed]

Before Trump was debating against another white man. Now he's debating against a woman but also a black woman. Anything he says regarding race/gender will be thrown back at him, even if it's a slip of the tongue.

[IMJ]

Before Trump was debating against another white man. Now he's debating against a woman but also a black woman. Anything he says regarding race/gender will be thrown back at him, even if it's a slip of the tongue.

You know what they say..... never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience. Basically no reason to have Clownmala virtue-signal nonsense on stage while the guy discusses real issues.

[Mayhem]

You know what they say..... never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience. Basically no reason to have Don Poorleone ******** and slander his usual nonsense on stage while the woman discusses real issues.
See, fixed that for you :lol:

If the best the Republicans can do so far in attempting to demean her in general is the usual misogynistic and racist crap (of which I’ve heard also she’s not black enough, weirdly) and her laugh, then they are worried. With a convicted fraudster and a guy who ****ed a couch.

Actually, it appears the main objection the Trump camp has to arranging the televised debate is their assertion that sort of thing should only be finalised once both nominees are confirmed. So post the Democrat conference where assuming Harris will be officially declared candidate. Delaying tactics really… not having a debate with her will be seen as fear and cowardice by many people.

[Andrew NDB]

Well it's a little telling when she'd always run and present herself as an Indian woman. That is, until she ran (and failed) for president. Then suddenly you would only hear "black woman," and only since, since that was much more useful.

[CyberCubed]

Is she mixed Indian/black? I don't even know

[IndigoErth]

She mentioned the other day that her dad is black and mom is Indian, yes.

[Cowabung-Gal]

See, fixed that for you :lol:

You didn’t “fix” anything. You just rewrote it to fit your narrative. Are you a journalist by any chance?

[IMJ]

You didn’t “fix” anything. You just rewrote it to fit your narrative. Are you a journalist by any chance?

More like a superhero in his own mind. Look how quickly he went back to form with the - "istaphobe", sex-mongering, bla bla bla. These guys don't have a relevant argument about anything. Guy's entire argument and life are clearly littered with boogeymen and people peering in his window. :lol:

Trump is going to win and when he does we will have 4 years of a strong country by every metric that counts while these people foam at the mouth and blow four years of their lives with more bull$#!(. It's going to be epic.

[Barkworm]

Might make sense to pick her running mate from one of those three.

The same day I wrote that, the latest FOX news polls (of all polls it had to be FOX :lol:) showed them in a virtual tie in all three states. This is far from over.

EDIT: It's been just a couple of days since I've realised that Harris is half Indian even though her first name is very common in South India.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

This is far from over.

You are right. You can bet I will be claiming Election Fraud on the day if it happens, but I think a Harris victory is a very real possibility.

[CyberCubed]

It's still way too early to tell and could go either way. Most people thought Hilary Clinton was a shoe-in back in 2016 and look what happened.

[Zulithe]

It's still way too early to tell and could go either way. Most people thought Hilary Clinton was a shoe-in back in 2016 and look what happened.
She was. She won the popular vote by OVER TWO MIILLION VOTES, actually closer to three million.

The fact Trump won the electoral college was a cruel twist of fate. He is not who most people wanted. It's a fact.

Republicans should be shaking in their boots because they are not likely to win the popular vote again in our lifetime the way things are going. Their policies are very unpopular. Currently the ONLY WAY they can win is through gerrymandering. Pathetic. It does not respect the wishes of the majority by relying on that strategy.

They want to take away rights, disenfranchise a large swath of the population, and help make the rich richer. Project 2025 will make our struggling country an even more terrible hellscape than it has already become. MOST PEOPLE do not want most of those policies to come to pass.

Vote Kamala :)

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Kamala may be old, but to her credit, she is significantly younger than Hillary so I guess some people would see her as less out of touch? She would also be the first Black/Indian female president which by default will incentivise some people to vote for her.


They want to take away rights, disenfranchise a large swath of the population, and help make the rich richer. Project 2025 will make our struggling country an even more terrible hellscape than it has already become.

That sounds fantastic. Except for the Project 2025 part, because Trump has disavowed it.

I think Trump is wrong to disavow Project 2025 which was created by true MAGA Loyalists. He is instead leaning into the mainstream GOP for support, but they are moderate and I think they suck for being too liberal.

[Zulithe]

Trump has disavowed it.
He's also a known liar. A convicted liar, in fact. Multiple convictions. FELONY convictions

It's authored by his administration and allies.

[Mayhem]

Kamala is half Indian, half Jamaican, both parents moved to the US to study when they were young and she was born here. Needless to say the citizen deniers are already out like Obama :roll:

Trump is going to win and when he does we will have 4 years of ********, pandering to the rich, dodging justice due to the SC ruling, taking orders from foreign countries, reducing everyone’s rights, and trying to stay in power after his term ends, while MAGA realise they were duped and everyone foams at the mouth and blows four years of their lives with more bull$#!(. It's going to be tragic.
Fixed that for you again :lol:

[Andrew NDB]

She mentioned the other day that her dad is black and mom is Indian, yes.

Her dad is Jamaican. Black? Yes. Is Jamaica an African territory? No. So she can definitely claim she is part black but it gets muddy where people say "African American." Unless we throw down into the bottom where "We all came from Africa, at the end of the day," which is true, but if we all agree on that... what are we even arguing about?

[Barkworm]

Her dad is Jamaican. Black? Yes. Is Jamaica an African territory? No. More than 90 per cent of the black Jamaican population are descendants of African slaves so it's as accurate to call a black Jamaican African as it is for a black American.

[CyberCubed]

African American doesn't mean they have to come from Africa. That's why most black people don't like being called "African American" anymore, because they could come from any other country and still be called that.

"African American" isn't politically correct anymore, white people thought it was more appropriate to say that over "black people" for a long time, but now black people themselves don't want to be called that and prefer being called black.

[Coola Yagami]

African American doesn't mean they have to come from Africa. That's why most black people don't like being called "African American" anymore, because they could come from any other country and still be called that.

"African American" isn't politically correct anymore, white people thought it was more appropriate to say that over "black people" for a long time, but now black people themselves don't want to be called that and prefer being called black.

Except for on Twitter, cause they'll get offended if you call them anything. You say African American and they get offended that you didn't say black and vice versa.

[CyberCubed]

African American was coined by whites because whites thought saying "black people" was racist. But black people don't have a problem with being called black people. So African American has fallen out of favor.

[IndigoErth]

Probably also changing context over time. You can say anything with a sneer to try to make it perceived as something "bad."

[CyberCubed]

To be honest I don't know why we're called "white people" either. We should be called, "tan people." We're not white like those mannequins you see in stores/malls with clothes on them. Nobody has white skin.

[IndigoErth]

Someone needs to make a human color wheel and just name each shade, but only using a series of Wingdings. At least 3 symbols each.

Then make it super annoying to racist types by insisting they clarify who they hate by typing out each series of Wingding characters per shade of people they take issue with.

[Mayhem]

To be honest I don't know why we're called "white people" either. We should be called, "tan people." We're not white like those mannequins you see in stores/malls with clothes on them. Nobody has white skin.
Yes they do, they’re known as the Scottish :)

[ResidentEvil7]

Nobody has white skin.

I'm going to argue that, because WWE wrestler Sheamus has very white skin.

[tmntpower1988]

I'm going to argue that, because WWE wrestler Sheamus has very white skin.

I seen someone once say that Sheamus looks like a milk bottle on fire :lol: I've seen people on Twitter say that all Irish people have white skin like him because of the ****** weather we get, that's not true, my skin is tannish :lol:

[Cowabung-Gal]

Nobody has white skin.

Except those with albinism.

[Mayhem]

That Michigan poll stat is staggering…


https://i.imgur.com/e5k5kXJ.jpeg

[Cowabung-Gal]

That Michigan poll stat is staggering…


https://i.imgur.com/e5k5kXJ.jpeg

I can’t believe anyone still believes in polls after 2016

[joe-eyeball]

I can’t believe anyone still believes in polls after 2016

Agreed! Polls are mostly trash and shift constantly. I’m still waiting for Kamala to be sworn in as President before the elections to help boost her chances of winning.

[Andrew NDB]

I’m still waiting for Kamala to be sworn in as President before the elections to help boost her chances of winning.

It'd be the smart move. If she takes over now and at least behaves somewhat competently through the election, people couldn't say that she would be totally inexperienced. And if she pretends between now and then -- as president, sworn in -- to be a moderate, middle-of-the-road candidate and manages to be semi-convincing then she'll probably reap a lot of votes.

[joe-eyeball]

It'd be the smart move. If she takes over now and at least behaves somewhat competently through the election, people couldn't say that she would be totally inexperienced. And if she pretends between now and then -- as president, sworn in -- to be a moderate, middle-of-the-road candidate and manages to be semi-convincing then she'll probably reap a lot of votes.

Exactly! They have to wait a little longer so it doesn’t look forced but my guess is it’ll happen.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/07/29/politics/iran-covert-influence-campaign-trump/index.html

"Iran using covert influence campaign to undermine Trump candidacy, US intelligence says"

Another Collusion hoax incoming?

[Barkworm]

I can’t believe anyone still believes in polls after 2016
In 2016, polls correctly predicted Clinton winning the popular vote. State polls were off and that's why many prediction models didn't work out.

I've been following American polls for presidential elections since 2004 and they are usually super accurate.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Unpopular opinion as a Trump supporter, Kamala is going to win bigtime and its going to be a huge celebration as the final nail in the coffin for the Trump movement.

I hope I'm 100% wrong. If not, I hope the MAGA/America First movement finds a new and much younger leader for the future.

[Zulithe]

Got myself a White Dudes for Harris hat tonight, see you all at the polls!

[Mayhem]

Whoosh, over the head of everyone... I guess nobody bothered to add up the two figures for Harris and Trump in Michigan :lol:

[Barkworm]

Well, FOX news polls aren't exactly highly rated so Maths in general might not be a particular strength of theirs... :lol:

[Mayhem]

Well, FOX news polls aren't exactly highly rated so Maths in general might not be a particular strength of theirs... :lol:
I'm assuming it was meant to be 47% each... oops a typo again.

[IndigoErth]

people couldn't say that she would be totally inexperienced.
What. I would hope from the get-go they would not call the current Vice President and former senator inexperienced. There's not really anywhere that can go other than right to the sigma of a woman having to work harder to prove herself.

[Andrew NDB]

I would hope from the get-go they would not call the current Vice President and former senator inexperienced.

Well, why wouldn't they? She had one job during the vice presidency and that was the border... and she neither visited it nor even attempted to fix anything there. Experienced in being weak on crime as a prosecutor? Bailing out protesters during BLM? Foreign affairs, maybe? (when she was asked about if she'd visited the border, she said she'd never even visited Europe)

[IndigoErth]

Expenice serving in office isn't dependent on success rate. If that were the case, someone else who had a pretty messy term in his single experience being in office certainly would be the lesser experienced of the two.

[Andrew NDB]

If that were the case, someone else who had a pretty messy term in his single experience being in office certainly would be the lesser experienced of the two.

Trump had a messy first time? When COVID came around, sure, as would anyone. The rest was fine. Best economy ever. I certainly wouldn't equate "democrats making noise" as "messiness" on his part.

[CyberCubed]

Trump is 78, and will be halfway to 79 by January. I don't think he will win, and he'll probably be dead soon of old age/health conditions in the next few years anyway. The way people talk about Trump is as if he's still in his 60's and has 20 more years in him.

I doubt Trump will make it passed his early 80's. I don't know why people talk about him as if he's only 60 something, the guy is about a few years away from the end of his life.

[Barkworm]

I'm assuming it was meant to be 47% each... oops a typo again.

There are more polls for Michigan that seem to confirm a big boost for Harris. Also, look out for the latest polls for Wisconsin, Nevada and Arizona with similar trends. Pennsylvania still looks bad in comparison.

[Mayhem]

Trump being Trump… is he an orange cockwomble or a ****-faced gibbon? You decide! :lol:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/cd16dgz57p9o

Other glorious takes from the NABJ interview include:

- He claimed that he has been the “best president for the Black population since Abraham Lincoln”, adding that a “Black job” is “anybody that has a job”.
- He refused to condemn the white police officer who shot and killed 36-year-old Sonya Massey, a Black woman, in her home in Illinois, saying: “Sometimes very bad decisions are made. They’re not made from an evil standpoint.”
- He repeated the abortion lie that Democrats are allowing abortions in the ninth month, saying: “They’re allowing the death of the baby after the baby is born.”
- In response to what he would do on his first day in office, he said that he would “close the border” and “drill, baby, drill”.
- Throughout the interview, which appeared to have been ended by his team after 40 minutes, Trump’s responses drew multiple gasps and shouts from the crowd.

[CyberCubed]

Trump also said Kamala isn't black. :lol:

[FredWolfLeonardo]

If Trump is going to lose anyway, might as well go as radical as possible.

[joe-eyeball]

Trump and Vance are idiots to think the personal attacks and questioning Harris’ race is going to pull in any fence sitters. All they needed to do at this point was hammer issues of Economy, Immigration, Crime, and foreign wars and it would be over! I know he loves his insults and such but it is only going to hurt his chances. I mean you need to convince a small portion to vote for you because no matter what insults you throw out there about Harris the democrat voter base won’t hear it. They’ve have already been gaslighted into believing she is worthy of the office even though most of them just a month ago would’ve told she wasn’t. Concentrate only on the independents because he already has his base locked in.

Also would people stop giving Harris credit for her “surge.” The only role she has effectively played in it is that she isn’t an old, half dead white guy that everybody on the left denied was in decline. The media is the only real reason she looks like a viable candidate. They gaslighted their audience into believing Biden was great and they can do the same for her. Trump isn’t up against Harris as much as he up against a much larger liberal propaganda hype machine that is the media/democrat party.

[Andrew NDB]

She hasn't even done one interview since Biden left the race. Leftists are on a sugar high. They will come back down when she has no foot to stand on with, well, her stances on everything. Which we know because of the last time she ran for president and she's as radical as Bernie Sanders or moreso on just about every issue.

[Mayhem]

She hasn't even done one interview since Biden left the race. Leftists are on a sugar high. They will come back down when she has no foot to stand on with, well, her stances on everything. Which we know because of the last time she ran for president and she's as radical as Bernie Sanders or moreso on just about every issue.
To be fair, the age old expression about "keep your mouth closed and let people think you're an idiot, instead of opening it and proving them right" might be in play for Harris, because it certainly isn't for Trump :lol: I'm amazed he's able to walk given his foot is permanently in his mouth...

[ToTheNines]

Which we know because of the last time she ran for president and she's as radical as Bernie Sanders or moreso on just about every issue.

Is this true? Harris always seemed like a corporate neoliberal crony just getting by on identity politics. Sanders always ran on a more legitimately populist/socialist platform. (To be fair I’m talking about his actual presidential runs, you did start to see him acquiesce to the culture war/tumblr politics when he dropped out in 2020).

[Andrew NDB]

Is this true?

* She literally advocates for straight-up communism. "No matter where we start out, we need to end up in exactly the same place."

* She wants a country-wide Australian-style mandatory gun buyback. All guns. Not just made up "assault rifles."

* She openly called for defunding the police during BLM.

* She advocated for and claimed to have personally bailed out protesters/rioters during BLM.

* Wants to completely decriminalize any and all illegal border crossings, of any kind. Regardless of if they suddenly claim they want asylum after they're caught deep in the country.

* Is against the death penalty in any instance. As a prosecutor she was far from "hard on crime." She was weak on crime and released thousands of dangerous inmates who went on to commit more crimes, over and over.

[Andrew NDB]

She clearly doesn't appeal to you. Most people don't want Trump, they just didn't want someone senile hence the polls.

I vote (as do most sound-minded people) based on policy, not about tweets or personality.

[Bahamut810]

* She literally advocates for straight-up communism. "No matter where we start out, we need to end up in exactly the same place."

* She wants a country-wide Australian-style mandatory gun buyback. All guns. Not just made up "assault rifles."

* She openly called for defunding the police during BLM.

* She advocated for and claimed to have personally bailed out protesters/rioters during BLM.

* Wants to completely decriminalize any and all illegal border crossings, of any kind. Regardless of if they suddenly claim they want asylum after they're caught deep in the country.

* Is against the death penalty in any instance. As a prosecutor she was far from "hard on crime." She was weak on crime and released thousands of dangerous inmates who went on to commit more crimes, over and over.

Didnt she also have a scandal where she was hiding evidence in some of the trials she was part of that would have proven people innocent or am I remembering wrong?

[Andrew NDB]

Didnt she also have a scandal where she was hiding evidence in some of the trials she was part of that would have proven people innocent or am I remembering wrong?

Something like that. So rather than reexamine anything she just let them all go free.

[Mayhem]

There was a good article I read that discussed some of Trump's "public persona". The thesis was that the clever part of Trump's schtick is that he can come across as actually taking the mick rather than being serious. His supporters view it as highly effective satire. "Oh, he doesn't mean all that, he's just saying it to make those loony lefties froth at the mouth again".

Of course, it also allows him, when in office, to do exactly what he said he'd do, even if/when it was said or interpreted as satirical.

I think it's an interesting point and explains a large part of the teflon nature, that anything he says that would normally sink other candidates hasn't affected him - his supporters see people apoplectically ranting about Trump's failings and just laugh at more lefty suckers.

[Andrew NDB]

There was a good article I read that discussed some of Trump's "public persona".

A good "jumping off" spot in your post.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

There was a good article I read that discussed some of Trump's "public persona". The thesis was that the clever part of Trump's schtick is that he can come across as actually taking the mick rather than being serious. His supporters view it as highly effective satire. "Oh, he doesn't mean all that, he's just saying it to make those loony lefties froth at the mouth again".

Of course, it also allows him, when in office, to do exactly what he said he'd do, even if/when it was said or interpreted as satirical.

I think it's an interesting point and explains a large part of the teflon nature, that anything he says that would normally sink other candidates hasn't affected him - his supporters see people apoplectically ranting about Trump's failings and just laugh at more lefty suckers.

I don't view Trump's statements as satire. I support many of his views for what they are.

[IndigoErth]

I don't view Trump's statements as satire. I support many of his views for what they are.

Regarding people who actually live here who feel that same way... well, that's why some of his statements are dangerous and we end up with a January 6th type event.

For you our politics are largely just a spectator sport, so long as our alliances are beneficial for you. All the support without dealing with any of the results should they go badly.

[Andrew NDB]

well, that's why some of his statements are dangerous and we end up with a January 6th type event.

According to the people going after him on the left. Who don't even really believe it themselves.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Regarding people who actually live here who feel that same way... well, that's why some of his statements are dangerous and we end up with a January 6th type event.


Only Trump could've inspired the January 6th event. His whole deal from the time he ran in 2015 was that he was going to destroy the entire corrupt system and bring about real and radical change.


For you our politics are largely just a spectator sport, so long as our alliances are beneficial for you. All the support without dealing with any of the results should they go badly.

The key words being "beneficial for you". I as a Non-American appreciate it when America keeps its nose out of other countries, as it brings us no benefit.

The MAGA movements' isolationist and non-interventionist tendencies benefit people like myself who want our countries free of foreign inteference from the American empire.

[Coola Yagami]

My only issue with J6 is, if they were serious, why didn't they all go there heavily armed and shooting up the place? Not saying that I wanted that to happen, just wondering why it didn't.

Like I remember my eyes glued to the TV not knowing what to expect, waiting to see if these guys were gonna make demands or if all hell was gonna break loose and then..... nothing really happened.

[Mayhem]

In the biggest non surprise since a Catholic again was voted Pope, Harris is now the Democratic nominee. Bring on the debate :lol: Shapiro appears front runner to be her running mate.

[Cowabung-Gal]

Shapiro appears front runner to be her running mate.

Uh-oh. The far-leftists aren’t gonna be happy to hear that.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Uh-oh. The far-leftists aren’t gonna be happy to hear that.

Could this be the beginning of Far-Leftists for Trump? Far Leftists and Rightists teaming up to take down Kamala/Shapiro in the greatest crossover of all time?

[Cowabung-Gal]

Could this be the beginning of Far-Leftists for Trump? Far Leftists and Rightists teaming up to take down Kamala/Shapiro in the greatest crossover of all time?

Nah. They’ll burn down the White House anyway no matter who wins. That’s their end goal: to completely destroy the system and rebuild it into their ideal utopia.

[Andrew NDB]

In the biggest non surprise since a Catholic again was voted Pope, Harris is now the Democratic nominee. Bring on the debate :lol: Shapiro appears front runner to be her running mate.

If he is, it's only to insulate her from anti-semitic cries. We all know the democrats don't like Jews (this year, anyway).

13 days and Kamala still hasn't had to answer ONE question from the media. For those that are keeping track.

[Barkworm]

According to the people going after him on the left. Who don't even really believe it themselves.

Trump supporters have successfully convinced themselves that they are backing a great guy overall who is just an itty bitty mean sometimes and that everything that is brought up against him is a conspiracy.

Don't accuse the other side of being delusional.

To anyone keeping track of daily numbers, the race has changed significantly. Trump is still likely to win but mostly because of the undemocratic lunacy that is the electoral college. Democrats are on track to win the popular vote for the eighth time since 1992.

[Andrew NDB]

Trump supporters have successfully convinced themselves that they are backing a great guy overall

That's kind of the main fallacy of the left. Most don't believe he's a "great guy" for a second. But he has GOOD policies, or at least as we saw during his presidency, he allowed sound-minded people on the right to whisper in his ear for the right policies. I can't even point to a single policy proposed by Biden (and by consequence, Harris) that is even not a BAD thing, let alone a GOOD thing.

Trump is still likely to win

I'm not so convinced. Again, there are a lot of really stupid people out there (largely we're talking about young, uninformed voters, or those that just sit in front of the TV taking in CNN intravenously on the daily) who are just going to lap up all the propaganda about Harris that will gloss over her actual policies and history so far into just some kind of, "Don't you want to elect the FIRST BLACK WOMAN PRESIDENT?!" wave/frenzy. The democrats' best strategy, honestly, would be to just continue doing what they're doing right now. Just keep her away from interviews and anything resembling tough questions until inauguration day, and keep pumping out propaganda pieces about her to Beyonce and celebrities in the mean time.