The 2024 presidential election [Archive] - Page 3

Andrew NDB

08-02-2024, 11:43 PM

To be fair, that's not too far from the MAGA/America First Groyper movement

Not really. Most on the right just want to be left alone in their day to day and most especially their children. That's it. So horrible, I know.

And Cowabung-Gal isn't wrong. Those in POWER on the left, that's absolutely their goal. Burn down all the systems and institutions that are either inconvenient and/or can't be co-opted so as to pave the way for creating their utopia. We can't even call it a "liberal utopia" anymore because there's a ton of actual liberals who agree what they're swinging for now is way past the bleachers and well into crazy town. And it doesn't matter to those in power on the left because they'll, well, either still be in power or already have enough money in the bank that it doesn't matter either way.

in the event that Trump loses and the promised "bloodbath" ensues.

Wow, the media machine really got you hook, line and sinker with that one. I could provide the context (because it was clear in what he was saying) but it probably wouldn't matter, would it?

Barkworm

08-02-2024, 11:52 PM

Most don't believe he's a "great guy" for a second.
Not even the drones that swarm to his rallies? Are you sure? Nah. These people (who he famously called "disgusting" himself) LOVE him. And they are not just a few.

Andrew NDB

08-03-2024, 12:13 AM

Not even the drones that swarm to his rallies? Are you sure? Nah. These people (who he famously called "disgusting" himself) LOVE him. And they are not just a few.

Sure, I'll grant you that. Also "not just a few" (far from it) are the ones who until 5 minutes ago were convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that Biden was "as sharp as a tack." Of course, many would say that out loud and not really believe it (mostly just media figures), but many more seemed to believe it absolutely.

Mayhem

08-03-2024, 06:37 PM

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Party of misfits? You said it Don, you said it :lol:

he allowed sound-minded people on the right to whisper in his ear for the right policies.
That bit I’ll agree with in part, he had people steer him off his misguided course. Pity he won’t this time, it’s a whole bunch of yes people.

If he is, it's only to insulate her from anti-semitic cries. We all know the democrats don't like Jews (this year, anyway).
Neither does Don seemingly based off his Israel comments, ba dum.

FredWolfLeonardo

08-03-2024, 07:36 PM

Party of misfits? You said it Don, you said it :lol:

Trump is 100% right. The Republician party sucks, and it should be purged so the only leftover people are the true America-First loyalists.

Zulithe

08-03-2024, 08:03 PM

Trump is 100% right. The Republician party sucks, and it should be purged so the only leftover people are the true America-First loyalists.
uh-hu, sure, right. And Trump has all the answers to fix this right. Can I remind you Trump supporters that he already had four years as President to get this kind of **** done if that's what he felt was needed. What did he actually do to further your party? If he were to become President again it would be the same story all over again. Trump doesn't have the ability or answers to fix your party. You need to look elsewhere. Trump is about Trump. He's not about the party at all. Once Trump is out of the picture what do you all have left? You let him totally destroy your party. These Trump loyalists are gonna have a lot of real hard lessons to learn soon.

FredWolfLeonardo

08-03-2024, 08:14 PM

uh-hu, sure, right. And Trump has all the answers to fix this right. Can I remind you Trump supporters that he already had four years as President to get this kind of **** done if that's what he felt was needed. What did he actually do to further your party? If he were to become President again it would be the same story all over again. Trump doesn't have the ability or answers to fix your party. You need to look elsewhere. Trump is about Trump. He's not about the party at all. Once Trump is out of the picture what do you all have left? You let him totally destroy your party. These Trump loyalists are gonna have a lot of real hard lessons to learn soon.

We don't even disagree here. The Republican Party is not "my party", and I wish that it burns to the ground once its outlived its usefulness to Trump.

I hate the GOP for being comprised of out of touch boomers who are more interested in fighting Israel's and Ukraine's wars for them rather than putting America First.

Trump is a hope of breaking away from that because he founded the reactionary MAGA/America First movement. He is using the Republican party to further his own agenda which I support.

Andrew NDB

08-03-2024, 10:07 PM

You'll get no disagreement there. The republican party as it exists now is horrible. Disorganized and chaotic. There's like sects of lunatics and then the crazy loud voices like Marjorie Taylor Greene that the left likes to trot out like she speaks for everybody on the right. The nonsense fiasco with the speaker of the house last year is part and parcel of this.

ranger_scout

08-03-2024, 10:56 PM

I despise Kamala Harris. Trump is an egomaniac, but she is equally or maybe even more as evil as him. She is the definition of an extremist. Also, she and her husband Doug Emhoff are like two peas in a pod. Today, Doug admitted that he cheated on his first wife with a nanny and got the nanny pregnant.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/03/politics/doug-emhoff-acknowledges-affair-during-first-marriage/index.html

https://apnews.com/article/doug-emhoff-second-gentleman-affair-0e9a98ab09e0f688854073963ff2c711

Andrew NDB

08-04-2024, 01:49 AM

Today, Doug admitted that he cheated on his first wife with a nanny and got the nanny pregnant.

I don't really see how her husband's... anything is any reflection on her, to be honest. And if we're looking for things to attack Kamala with, there is veritable warehouses of history with her we could turn to way, way, before we start looking at any of her personal affairs. But there's a lot there we could look at, too, but we don't need to.

Mayhem

08-04-2024, 01:56 AM

and then the crazy loud voices like Marjorie Taylor Greene that the left likes to trot out like she speaks for everybody on the right.
You mean in the same way you label all Democrat supporters as left wing loony liberals? Problem is, MTG does speak for a lot of people, they sadly agree with her.

Andrew NDB

08-04-2024, 02:06 AM

You mean in the same way you label all Democrat supporters as left wing loony liberals?

No, I think I've been pretty clear in my wording. There are liberals, there are leftists, and then there are the FAR leftists, largely those in power.

Problem is, MTG does speak for a lot of people, they sadly agree with her.

There are large pockets of people, sure. Very dumb people. Same with AOC and her fans. There you go, there's your equivalent person on "the other side." Except the left has its whole own "squad" semi-officially. Though one wouldn't have to wrack their brain too much to compose a "squad" of crazies on the right, either.

Mayhem

08-04-2024, 04:05 PM

Well… can’t argue with the logic :lol:

https://i.imgur.com/kNZgrGx.jpeg

ranger_scout

08-05-2024, 12:48 PM

I don't really see how her husband's... anything is any reflection on her, to be honest. And if we're looking for things to attack Kamala with, there is veritable warehouses of history with her we could turn to way, way, before we start looking at any of her personal affairs. But there's a lot there we could look at, too, but we don't need to.

I have never liked her since 2018. During her tenure as a U.S. senator she was uncivil on more than one occasion during confirmation hearings. She also had the record of being the most extreme liberal in the senate based on her voting record. My deceased grandparents left Cuba over 60 years ago with my mom and aunts to escape extreme socialism and communism and her record shows that Harris is for things like that. She also previously wanted to eliminate private insurance and fracking. Her extreme anti-Catholic bigotry also offends me and she even compared pro-life people to slave masters. She, Biden, and U.S. Attorney General Merrick Garland did very little to nothing to condemn or punish people who vandalized pro-life centers and Catholic churches, including my aunt and uncle’s in Houston, after Roe V. Wade was overturned.

She stumbled big time when she was running for President in 2020 and dropped out before the Iowa caucus. The Democrats then told Biden to pick her as his running mate to make himself look like a unifier after she viciously attacked him during debates and to also make a statement. There were many other women qualified to become Vice President because she lacked world experience. Many of her former staff members called her a bully and a soul-destroying boss. Her former senior advisor Symone Sanders-Townsend recently talked about her experience of working with Harris on MSNBC and she revealed that she told her that she might very well be the last woman she ever works for. Right now inflation, the border, and the stock market are a complete disaster and she is working in the administration responsible for it.

Mayhem

08-05-2024, 05:42 PM

Right now inflation, the border, and the stock market are a complete disaster and she is working in the administration responsible for it.
You do realise two of those three things are affecting a lot of other countries in the world right now?

Barkworm

08-06-2024, 08:38 AM

Andrew NDB

08-06-2024, 10:18 AM

Apparently, Tim Walz is Harris' running mate. (https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/08/06/us/kamala-harris-vp-trump-election/heres-the-latest-on-the-presidential-race?smid=url-share)
I thought Josh Shapiro would have been a smart choice, especially since it looks like whoever wins Pennsylvania wins the election. I'm not sure what this decision will do to Harris' momentum (my guess is nothing).

Hahah, she literally picked the MOST radical candidate she could have, and he wasn't even from a swing state or anything that would remotely benefit her campaign. The guy is easily as radical as Bernie Sanders, if not more, and openly says, "Let's not be so hard on socialism. One man's socialism is another man's neighborliness." And this during what looks like a tip into a possible full-on recession. It's a double radical ticket.

Great news, great news. All because she just couldn't fathom picking a Jew because that would piss off too many of the pro-Hamas in her radical base. Shapiro might have cinched her the election.

Barkworm

08-06-2024, 11:23 AM

I always have to chuckle when a guy like Bernie Sanders is labeled a "radical". Americans have NO idea what left-wing extremism looks like. There are secretaries in the current German administration (from our Green party) who are probably more "radical" than these guys and we're talking about a centre-left/green/centre-right coalition.

But yeah, Shapiro or Mark Kelly would have been more obvious or safer choices. Let's see what this does to the polls in the next days.

Zulithe

08-06-2024, 11:25 AM

*wrong thread*

Cowabung-Gal

08-06-2024, 11:27 AM

The guy is easily as radical as Bernie Sanders, if not more, and openly says, "Let's not be so hard on socialism. One man's socialism is another man's neighborliness."

You can’t vote your way out of socialism; you have to shoot your way out.

And there’s nothing “neighborly” about socialism. You give what you earn with your hard labor to complete strangers not out of the kindness in your heart, but because the government is forcing you to give it up. It’s always about who’s more “privileged” and who’s more “deserving” of charity and love. It’s never about equality (they even changed it to “equity”). And in socialist/communist societies, neighbors sell each other out should they detect any signs of dissent.

ranger_scout

08-06-2024, 11:40 AM

All I can say about today’s announcement is that Harris and Walz contributed to the extreme chaos and destruction of Minnesota.

https://x.com/libsoftiktok/status/1820813505412624405?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1820813505412624405%7Ctwgr% 5E90f1d274eea5244378e434450853334d13afde33%7Ctwcon %5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftownhall.com%2Ftipsheet%2Fka tiepavlich%2F2024%2F08%2F06%2Fkamala-and-walz-fueled-the-most-expensive-riots-in-american-history-n2643027

https://x.com/KamalaHarris/status/1267555018128965643?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1267555018128965643%7Ctwgr% 5E90f1d274eea5244378e434450853334d13afde33%7Ctwcon %5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftownhall.com%2Ftipsheet%2Fka tiepavlich%2F2024%2F08%2F06%2Fkamala-and-walz-fueled-the-most-expensive-riots-in-american-history-n2643027

https://x.com/RepFischbach/status/1820461003055780199?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1820461003055780199%7Ctwgr% 5E90f1d274eea5244378e434450853334d13afde33%7Ctwcon %5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftownhall.com%2Ftipsheet%2Fka tiepavlich%2F2024%2F08%2F06%2Fkamala-and-walz-fueled-the-most-expensive-riots-in-american-history-n2643027

Zulithe

08-06-2024, 11:51 AM

Dang rightoids are straight up triggered over this pick :lol:

https://i.postimg.cc/nLVr3R3z/bafkreia3uy55iq7b3am4enmagw2uxst6dnliulabxpfdo3p2b 2xypvunhyjpeg.png (https://postimg.cc/hXwKjrWW)

VS.

https://i.postimg.cc/7G14KrCw/1722950156143011.png (https://postimg.cc/7G14KrCw)

Nice eyeliner, bro

Let's go Walz

Andrew NDB

08-06-2024, 11:53 AM

His state burned during BLM while he refused any national guard assistance until it was all rubble. He believes parents have no right to know if their kids are coming to school saying they think they're transgender. He's openly socialist. What more needs to be said?

Dang rightoids are straight up triggered over this pick

Triggered? Oh no, it's hysterical is what it is. Harris is so bad at this. She could've picked almost any of the other frontrunners, many of whom would have been smart picks for a variety of reasons, not the least of which her demonstrating that she "hears" middle/moderate America. But then she goes and picks literally the most radical choice available!

It's too good.

And in socialist/communist societies, neighbors sell each other out should they detect any signs of dissent.

It's funny you mention that. During COVID, Tim Walz openly encouraged people to snitch on their neighbors who weren't following his COVID lockdown policies.

https://www.fox9.com/news/how-well-are-minnesotans-following-the-stay-at-home-order?fbclid=IwAR0SkVmq0sr0_fJv_7sqmih4AvGNeP3GaPa eiWyL_YJH0AmtYeHdknc8xDI

ranger_scout

08-06-2024, 12:23 PM

Andrew NDB

08-06-2024, 12:28 PM

Nancy Pelosi is such a liar. Walz is not a right down the middle politician at all.

https://x.com/Morning_Joe/status/1820815933637537872?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1820815933637537872%7Ctwgr% 5E6ce7ecc8e557702bdc3be4f417cb766e7163cc5e%7Ctwcon %5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fcms.townhall.com%2F%3Fcode%3 DzjpeaTY9cyO7X3NnmkisjVhVv2JfPI_dEkFU9m1tHe1G6stat e%3DWmwxeGw4VWlpSGxXTkRQdTBzSnpsbWoyRHJDRUhIUzNkbm 9NYTlhVXVXZg3D3D

Shapiro, who would have been a much better VP for Harris and could have brought over Pennsylvania, some moderates, and even the Jewish vote... but even HE wouldn't have been a "right down the middle politician" at all. But Walz? In terms of American politics you can't get any further left than him.

Cowabung-Gal

08-06-2024, 01:40 PM

It's funny you mention that. During COVID, Tim Walz openly encouraged people to snitch on their neighbors who weren't following his COVID lockdown policies.

“But it was for the greater good-“ Oh, shut up, you fascist pig.

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Mayhem

08-06-2024, 01:44 PM

But according to Trump, the VP does **** all so what you worried about? :P

Cowabung-Gal

08-06-2024, 01:59 PM

But according to Trump, the VP does **** all so what you worried about? :P

Both the President and the VP are just figureheads. It’s Congress who runs the show. And even they shouldn’t have as much power as they do now.

We the People run this country, that’s how our Founding Fathers wanted it. But the federal government has been putting their boots on our necks and sucking our incomes dry with their reckless spending on foreign affairs and useless programs. They value immigrants who don’t have green cards and may even have ties to drug cartels and human trafficking rings over the actual law-abiding citizens who would give their lives for their country and don’t want their legacy to be given away to those who don’t deserve it or aren’t even family. And you know what’s the saddest part? There are sheep in this country who will voluntarily walk into the slaughterhouse as long as they are promised temporary comforts and benefits.

They represent us? What a laugh. They haven’t represented us in decades.

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FredWolfLeonardo

08-06-2024, 02:15 PM

But according to Trump, the VP does **** all so what you worried about? :P

If Trump wins, i hope that's the case because I hate "Never Trumper" JD Vance. Dude might pull another Mike Pence and betray the Donald.

Both the President and the VP are just figureheads. It’s Congress who runs the show. And even they shouldn’t have as much power as they do now.

We the People run this country, that’s how our Founding Fathers wanted it. But the federal government has been putting their boots on our necks and sucking our incomes dry with their reckless spending on foreign affairs and useless programs. They value immigrants who don’t have green cards and may even have ties to drug cartels and human trafficking rings over the actual law-abiding citizens who would give their lives for their country and don’t want their legacy to be given away to those who don’t deserve it or aren’t even family. And you know what’s the saddest part? There are sheep in this country who will voluntarily walk into the slaughterhouse as long as they are promised temporary comforts and benefits.

They represent us? What a laugh. They haven’t represented us in decades.

Beautifully written. That's why I want a Dictator Donald although its never happening, having a president with real power for once, someone who isn't a slave to the banks and foreign agents.

Andrew NDB

08-06-2024, 02:19 PM

But according to Trump, the VP does **** all so what you worried about? :P

From an election standpoint, a VP candidate can't really help a candidate THAT much (with some exception) but a crummy one absolutely can hurt. For an example on the right, take McCain and... Sarah Palin.

If there are any debates at this point, Walz and Harris won't have one shred of a defense against their policies and, well, their own direct quotes, coming back to haunt them.

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Mayhem

08-06-2024, 04:08 PM

If there are any debates at this point, Walz and Harris won't have one shred of a defense against their policies and, well, their own direct quotes, coming back to haunt them.
What policies? I’m intrigued what they are can propose that will make any sense AND not be tax cuts for the rich again. Because it certainly won’t be another wall paid by Mexico, as that went so well last time…

Barkworm

08-07-2024, 01:22 AM

Honestly, they make a good team. More credible than a Harris/Shapiro team-up anyway.And that list that Zulithe posted is just great. Walz is someone who gets stuff done instead of just shouting slogans.

Bahamut810

08-07-2024, 10:04 AM

We just need to have the election so we can lock in our Dystopia.

Andrew NDB

08-07-2024, 10:37 AM

And that list that Zulithe posted is just great.

Most of those things are bad things. But let's go through them, for fun.

* Universal Free School Meals : OK. Sure. I haven't even heard of any schools since the 90s where this isn't already in place for poor families. This is much ado about nothing.

* Legal Weed : Great news for slackers and potheads. Meaningless beyond that.

* Carbon Free Electricity by 2040 : Impossible. There is no grid in the country that will be be up for that by then and get ready for rolling blackouts or worse like we're already seeing.

* Tax Rebates for Working Class up to $1300 (making under $150k per year) : Who doesn't love free money?!?!?!? Yay! Vote for the free money!!! It's just the super rich 1% that have to pay for this, right, and not like you and me?

* 12 Weeks Paid Family Leave : We already have that here in WA under PFML. It's neither good nor bad just "the way the wind is blowing."

* 12 Weeks Paid Sick Leave : Ehhh... that seems pretty crazy. Does anyone really need 84 sick days in a calendar year of 365 days at their job? That seems insane. It is just hamstringing companies and encouraging "*cough* *cough* Can't make it today"-isms. But again, heyyyyyy... who wants 84 sick days a year?!?! Who loves ya?! Vote for Walz!!

* Banned Conversion Therapy : First of all, there's automatically a misconception about what "conversion therapy" is. People say that and they think, the person is strapped to a chair forced to be Clockwork Oranged back into heterosexuality or electing not to be the opposite sex -- or something like that. But it's not that. It's literally even just a therapist having an initial conversation with a person about, "Hey, are you SURE you're the opposite sex? Can you tell me why you feel that way, you know, before you start with the surgeries and chemicals and all that?" So with banning that, they want to even remove even having that conversation at all with a therapist. Basically, let's just dive right into the surgeries and chemicals and the "Affirming" care. Which is crazy.

* Red Flag Laws for Guns : Whatever. They make sense in some cases but can (and are) easily be misused.

* Universal Background Checks for Guns : We already have this. And anyone citing the "gun show loophole" is a moron and misinformed.

* Automatic Voter Registration : Ehhh... it makes me leery but whatever. It's nothing to trumpet about.

* Free Public College (under $80k) : Absolutely not. It's not on me or anyone else to pay for your college. It's arguably barely even on your parents to pay for that, let alone "man down the street" for your Lesbian Dance Theory degree. Ridiculous. And why this, but not even looking at "free trade school" for people? Do we not need new electricians, plumbers, etc.? Ah, but that's right... the trade schools aren't pushing what they want to be pushed.

* Ban on PFAS (forever chemicals) : Um, OK. I guess you won't find many adversaries about banning forever chemicals?

* $2.2 billion increase in K-12 school funding : OK, is there going to be an accounting of where the existing funding is going? Since it appears to not be working? There's not many examples where throwing money at a thing stops working, and then throwing MORE money at a thing suddenly starts it working again. Certainly not any government-funded institutions. There are core problems here as there are in any state.

* Sectoral Bargaining for Nursing Home Workers : Eh, good news for the nursing home workers, I guess? Is this a big voting base, or something? Must be something in that state. Big whoop.

Coola Yagami

08-07-2024, 11:07 AM

* Ban on PFAS (forever chemicals) : Um, OK. I guess you won't find many adversaries about banning forever chemicals?

Pardon my ignorance, but what are forever chemicals?

ranger_scout

08-07-2024, 03:09 PM

Walz apparently failed to prevent a massive COVID fraud under his watch as governor.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/critics-blast-new-vp-nominee-tim-walz-massive/story?id=112616260

The things he and his wife have said about the riots in their home state are turning people off. Even a CNN commentator said that’s not normal.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/wife-harris-vp-pick-sets-social-media-ablaze-bizarre-admission-about-2020-riots

https://www.foxnews.com/media/kamala-harris-running-mate-tim-walz-not-normal-cnn-contributor-says

RaphaelinSTL

08-07-2024, 05:34 PM

Walz was a great pick, and you can feel the momentum shifting. Feeling really good about November.

Andrew NDB

08-07-2024, 05:46 PM

Walz was a great pick, and you can feel the momentum shifting.

After his pick, you definitely can. :) What a great gift to the republican party.

RaphaelinSTL

08-07-2024, 05:56 PM

After his pick, you definitely can. :) What a great gift to the republican party.

Totally. Back to back Trump losses will probably allow the GOP to start rethinking things, dumping Trump and refocus on being a better party. :) Even Trump is a fan of Walz (https://x.com/KamalaHQ/status/1821285528504877347) because of how he runs things. Who knew?

Looking forward to casting my vote on the Harris-Walz ticket this fall.

ranger_scout

08-07-2024, 06:32 PM

Walz was arrested for a DUI back in 1995. Here’s his mugshot.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/kamala-harris-running-mate-tim-walz-pictured-1995-nebraska-mugshot-after-dui-arrest

CyberCubed

08-07-2024, 08:15 PM

1995 is almost 30 years ago now. It's like bringing up Robert Downey Jr. who was arrested for having drugs and a gun back in 1996. Didn't stop Disney from hiring him a decade after in 2007.

Cowabung-Gal

08-07-2024, 08:19 PM

Walz was arrested for a DUI back in 1995. Here’s his mugshot.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/kamala-harris-running-mate-tim-walz-pictured-1995-nebraska-mugshot-after-dui-arrest

Wonder if his supporters will wear that on their T-shirts.

Andrew NDB

08-07-2024, 09:01 PM

Walz was arrested for a DUI back in 1995. Here’s his mugshot.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/kamala-harris-running-mate-tim-walz-pictured-1995-nebraska-mugshot-after-dui-arrest

Yeah, nobody is going to care about that. Maybe if it was last year or something.

CyberCubed

08-07-2024, 09:59 PM

According to that article he was only 28 in 1995, I don't think what a 28 year old did 30 years ago really matters now. I never understood why people always dig into the past about politicians about things that they did when they were younger just to smear them. Like who cares.

Barkworm

08-07-2024, 11:05 PM

Walz was a great pick, and you can feel the momentum shifting. Feeling really good about November.

If Walz' pick does anything to the existing momentum is not yet clear in the latest polls. We'll see next week.

The key states all look good right now, albeit within the margin of error.

Andrew NDB

08-07-2024, 11:29 PM

If Walz' pick does anything to the existing momentum is not yet clear in the latest polls. We'll see next week.

Short term it'll be great. And they'll both get a nice big bump after the DNC for a bit. The sugar high will continue until Harris has to actually answer tough questions. Which... by current count is now about 17 days now with no tough questions from the media for her? 18 days?

Obviously no one is going to change their mind about Trump at this stage. Either people love him, like him, tolerate him for the greater good, or really hate him -- none of that is going to be changed if it hasn't already. What could change -- since "normies" who aren't super into the news don't really know much about Harris beyond what CNN or The View tells them they should know about her -- is that a sizeable enough number of people will get to know her between now and the election, and they won't like it. Maybe not enough to vote Trump, but maybe enough to stay home on election day or shuck that mail-in ballot into the trash.

Cowabung-Gal

08-08-2024, 12:36 AM

* Legal Weed : Great news for slackers and potheads. Meaningless beyond that.

“But it’s for medical reasons.” I highly doubt that.

A guy from DoorDash came to our restaurant earlier today to pick up an order, and the dude just reeked of weed. The smell lingered for about a minute even after he left. :dead:

That disgusting smell is everywhere now, not just in comic stores.

Andrew NDB

08-08-2024, 01:46 AM

“But it’s for medical reasons.” I highly doubt that.

Obviously there ARE people who are dying from cancer who shouldn't be denied weed. Obviously there ARE medicinal side effects mentally for people afflicted with... a variety of things -- prescribe them weed? Sure, why not. I'd be the last one to stand in their way. I don't even care about recreational pot use. It seemed like everyone I've known or know now, back when it was illegal in WA, had no shortage of people they could get it from anyway (or people growing it in their shed), so it's not like there's any stopping it regardless. I just have a problem with the normalizing of it as "just a thing we do" less so as such, but more so with the legal stamp from the state which adds the "... because it's LEGAL here!"

But I dunno. It's one of the least things I have an axe to grind about. It's just an annoyance.

That disgusting smell is everywhere now, not just in comic stores.

Oh, I know. And am I alone in this? Weed used to smell... a whole lot BETTER in like the late 90s. And it's not like I haven't had my arm pulled to smoke my share at times. But these days? Like... 2015 and up? It smells like f***ing sh**. And rather suddenly. But maybe it's just me.

Though saying that, as I semi-regularly smoke cigarettes, at least when I'm drinking... I don't want to be "in that camp." As in the people that just point the finger at the guys that have the smoke and want them removed. I don't want to be that guy. I became an adult at the end of the 90s... I barely got to experience going into a bar or a restaurant with a smoking section and smoking a cigarette before that was taken away. I think the people complaining about that are babies and whiners and the compromise never should have been anything other than "this the smoking section" and "this is the non-smoking section." And if the establishment's air filtration system isn't up to snuff, then they're not able to have a smoking section.

Zulithe

08-08-2024, 03:10 AM

Weed isn't going anywhere, criminalizing it is a waste of our resources. LEAs would use weed criminalization just as a way to charge people or search their property when the otherwise have nothing else to legally hold against them. It's ********. I want our police out there stopping fentalyl and other real problems in our society. We should legalize it everywhere.

We also give our states more tax revenue from all the weed dispensaries and weed-related products and services out there. Otherwise, that **** is all on the black market.

But you don't like the smell, so? Toughen up and deal with it. I don't smoke either, I really don't care if I get a hint of weed smell when walking down the street once in a while. Sheesh.

Cowabung-Gal

08-08-2024, 03:36 AM

But you don't like the smell, so? Toughen up and deal with it. I don't smoke either, I really don't care if I get a hint of weed smell when walking down the street once in a while. Sheesh.

You don’t think I deal with bad smells on a daily basis? I care for four dogs and four chickens when I’m at home, and I work at a restaurant where I have to deal with disgusting and nasty people. Just today I saw a 300-pound lady walk out of the ladies room all sweaty like she was fighting for her life in there, and sure enough, it was rank in there, and I won’t even get into detail on what I saw in that stall.

You work with someone who smokes weed? I do, and I’m still not used to it.

Mayhem

08-08-2024, 04:23 AM

Weed isn't going anywhere, criminalizing it is a waste of our resources. LEAs would use weed criminalization just as a way to charge people or search their property when the otherwise have nothing else to legally hold against them. It's ********. I want our police out there stopping fentalyl and other real problems in our society. We should legalize it everywhere.
This is kind of my stance on it, aside from the maybe not legalise it freely, but remove it being as severe a criminal offence. The people I know who regularly take it are all being prescribed it to aleviate arthritis, MS, or in one case, it helps her daughter's prolific epilepsy fits.

ZariusTwo

08-08-2024, 09:03 AM

Kamala directly addresses pro-Palestine protestors at a rally

https://news.sky.com/video/i-am-speaking-now-pro-palestinian-protesters-interrupt-kamala-harris-detroit-rally-13193020?,,,,,,,&dcmp=afc-ROI:nc_AWIN&utm_source=IE-trading&utm_medium=IE-affiliate&sv1=affiliate&sv_campaign_id=85386&awc=12422_1723125748_49adb6fb6aaa6a0e5b2d675f65314 116&dclid=CIrTk9HH5YcDFSpGHQkdDm4Wug

Bahamut810

08-08-2024, 09:05 AM

This is kind of my stance on it, aside from the maybe not legalise it freely, but remove it being as severe a criminal offence. The people I know who regularly take it are all being prescribed it to aleviate arthritis, MS, or in one case, it helps her daughter's prolific epilepsy fits.

Its really inevitable in the USA at this point. To build on Zulithe, the second one state legalized it and taxed it, other states will see that Tax revenue that they wont want to lose to the next state over. Its a domino effect.

Zulithe

08-08-2024, 09:41 AM

You work with someone who smokes weed? I do, and I’m still not used to it.Sounds like an HR issue to me. A person's right to use substances doesn't give them the right to exude a persistent smoke-smell in the workplace. Just like you can't have abundant body odor either. So, I would talk to HR.

Andrew NDB

08-08-2024, 12:51 PM

FredWolfLeonardo

08-08-2024, 12:59 PM

Can't lose that pro-Hamas vote.

The way she responded to them, she is gonna lose them though lol.

I think Trump is gonna win the Muslim and Arab vote which is overwhelmingly pro-Hamas.

Andrew NDB

08-08-2024, 01:39 PM

The way she responded to them, she is gonna lose them though lol.

I think Trump is gonna win the Muslim and Arab vote which is overwhelmingly pro-Hamas.

He won't, and the pro-Hamas folks say they won't vote for Harris but they will.

ranger_scout

08-08-2024, 02:53 PM

The Harris campaign either made a mistake or was dishonest about Walz’s military credentials.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/08/08/harris-walz-military-credentials-00173236

Andrew NDB

08-08-2024, 03:05 PM

Yeah, this will hurt him unlike the DUI stuff. Stolen valor. There's videos of him surfacing talking about using firearms in deployment... but he was never deployed. He got out right when war was brewing. There's videos now of people in his old unit talking about how he'd tell them all about how he was going to be there with them in Iraq... then he quit right when he realized he'd have to go.

Zulithe

08-08-2024, 05:04 PM

I couldn't care less if he was in any battles or even shot a gun. He served 24 years. I honor him more than DRAFT DODGER TRUMP any day of my life.

I find it absolutely hilarious that anyone who would criticize Walz's military record would not also give the same level of side-eye to Trump's FIVE DRAFT DODGING ATTEMPTS. Speaks volumes.

The abhorrent dishonesty of right-wingers man.

ranger_scout

08-08-2024, 05:38 PM

The day President Trump criticized Harris for going 18 days without doing any media interviews, she finally answers a small number of questions from reporters. She says that she will talk with her team about doing a sit down interview at the end of month instead of sooner.

https://www.foxnews.com/video/6360115025112

A MSNBC reporter admitted that Harris’s team worries about her doing interviews with the press because of past “damaging moments.”

https://www.foxnews.com/media/kamala-harris-past-damaging-moments-her-teams-mind-she-has-yet-speak-press-reporter-says

FredWolfLeonardo

08-08-2024, 05:47 PM

ranger_scout

08-08-2024, 07:38 PM

Harris finally deciding to answer questions from reporters also comes a day after JD Vance stood in front of her plane and pointed out that she refuses to do interviews.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/jd-vance-roasts-harris-wisconsin-tarmac-avoiding-press-calls-air-force-2-his-future-plane

Cowabung-Gal

08-08-2024, 08:19 PM

I couldn't care less if he was in any battles or even shot a gun. He served 24 years. I honor him more than DRAFT DODGER TRUMP any day of my life.

I think Trump may have just won the vote of old hippies, since they hate war and consider soldiers to be baby-killers.

RaphaelinSTL

08-08-2024, 11:23 PM

Andrew NDB

08-08-2024, 11:45 PM

Mayhem

08-09-2024, 03:19 AM

But it's the whole lying about it part. I guess we don't care about that, though.
Given the amount of lies generally out of Trump's mouth, I guess no, no you don't...

Barkworm

08-09-2024, 03:22 AM

The abhorrent dishonesty of right-wingers man.

If you support someone who is dishonest to the core, your own morals are most likely questionable as well.

This particular issue needs to be cleared up but Trumpers complaining about dishonesty shows in what a warped reality they live.

ToTheNines

08-09-2024, 05:23 AM

Have Tom Waltz and Tim Walz ever been seen in the same room together?

Bahamut810

08-09-2024, 10:23 AM

If you support someone who is dishonest to the core, your own morals are most likely questionable as well.

This particular issue needs to be cleared up but Trumpers complaining about dishonesty shows in what a warped reality they live.

Good luck with that. Both of them are dishonest to the core. This is that south park episode again from Trump vs Hillary where you have to choose between the Giant Douche and the Terd Sandwich.

Andrew NDB

08-09-2024, 01:28 PM

20 days with no questions for Harris now. And apparently she says she "may" do 1 interview before the end of the month.

FredWolfLeonardo

08-09-2024, 03:10 PM

20 days with no questions for Harris now. And apparently she says she "may" do 1 interview before the end of the month.

It doesn't matter. The media is on Harris' side, and she is smart to use it to her advantage.

robertfiduciary

08-09-2024, 05:31 PM

That time Donald Trump nearly died in a helicopter crash? Didn't happen. I guess you don't care about that, though? ;)

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/that-time-trump-nearly-died-in-a-helicopter-crash-didnt-happen-/articleshow/112389579.cms

But it's the whole lying about it part. I guess we don't care about that, though.

Andrew NDB

08-09-2024, 05:48 PM

Well, as long as Gavin Newsom said so. :lol::lol::lol:

Barkworm

08-09-2024, 10:54 PM

Good luck with that. Both of them are dishonest to the core. This is that south park episode again from Trump vs Hillary where you have to choose between the Giant Douche and the Terd Sandwich.

False equivalence. Sure, especially in US politics you usually need some level of dishonesty to get somewhere. But Trump is the new populist standard for taking pride in lying. And then there's the convicted felon thing, too. And the rapist thing. And so on...

The South Park episode was about Bush Vs Kerry by the way.

Bahamut810

08-10-2024, 01:27 PM

False equivalence. Sure, especially in US politics you usually need some level of dishonesty to get somewhere. But Trump is the new populist standard for taking pride in lying. And then there's the convicted felon thing, too. And the rapist thing. And so on...

The South Park episode was about Bush Vs Kerry by the way.

I don't think there is really an equivalence between fraud for cooking the books because you were being blackmailed and withholding evidence that could free innocent men. They are both ****.

Sorry that I got who the reference was on about wrong. I still think it fits.

Andrew NDB

08-11-2024, 02:48 AM

And then there's the convicted felon thing, too. And the rapist thing.

The studious thing they changed the law for and literally asked jurors to "pick a felony" for (any felony, like a "choose your own adventure story") and keep it to themselves and just vote "Guilty." And then the thing where the "victim" couldn't remember where or when it happened, but that it probably did. Anyone other than pitchfork waving leftist crazies see exactly what is going on here.

ToTheNines

08-11-2024, 05:58 AM

https://i.redd.it/q68vwibatxhd1.jpeg

Coola Yagami

08-11-2024, 07:12 AM

The turtles would stay out of human affairs. They usually have more important things to worry about than whatever Trump and Harrris are squawking about.

Now if Shredder was running for office....

FredWolfLeonardo

08-11-2024, 03:04 PM

Someone should make a cartoon of Shredder and Krang endorsing Trump.

The villains were cooler than the heroes anyway.

Mayhem

08-11-2024, 04:23 PM

Andrew NDB

08-11-2024, 04:37 PM

https://i.redd.it/q68vwibatxhd1.jpeg

The Fred Wolf Turtles absolutely would endorse those loons.

FredWolfLeonardo

08-11-2024, 04:50 PM

The Trump campaign / RNC, (same thing at this point) has been hacked following a successful phishing attempt.

Ho ho, I thought, haven't they done the training to spot the red flags for phishing messages?

Then I thought about the red flags.

Sudden messages out of hours possibly from someone unexpectedly senior.
Urgent call to action with potential dire consequences.
Poor spelling / capitalisation / grammar, incorrect or misspelled names of colleagues.

How would you tell, like seriously. You'd have to check every single communication by other routes. Trump would put up with that once or maybe twice then he'd throw a fit and you're fired.

If you're working for a Trump organisation of any kind you're wide open.

Not surprised, many of those running the Trump campaign are out of touch boomers who are the most likely to fall for phising attempts.

Don't know if anyone has been observing, but even many hardcore Right Wingers are unsatisfied with how the poorly the Trump campaign is being run.

Nick Fuentes and his Groyper Movement have declared a meme war on the Trump Campaign and their hashtags have overtaken Truth Social. The aim is to save Trump from the GOP Establishment which is making him lose.

Mark my words, the GOP Establishment are making all the wrong decisions, and only they are terrible enough to make Trump lose even after the assasination attempt gave him a popularity boost. And when he loses, they will immediately throw him under the bus.

Cowabung-Gal

08-11-2024, 04:55 PM

https://i.redd.it/q68vwibatxhd1.jpeg

Green Dudes for Kamala

The Fred Wolf Turtles absolutely would endorse those loons.

During the conservative 80s? Doubt it.

Andrew NDB

08-11-2024, 05:02 PM

Not surprised, many of those running the Trump campaign are out of touch boomers who are the most likely to fall for phising attempts.

Don't know if anyone has been observing, but even many hardcore Right Wingers are unsatisfied with how the poorly the Trump campaign is being run.

Nick Fuentes and his Groyper Movement have declared a meme war on the Trump Campaign and their hashtags have overtaken Truth Social. The aim is to save Trump from the GOP Establishment which is making him lose.

Mark my words, the GOP Establishment are making all the wrong decisions, and only they are terrible enough to make Trump lose even after the assasination attempt gave him a popularity boost. And when he loses, they will immediately throw him under the bus.

I don't overall disagree. He needs to go on the attack on policy, period. Going after Kamala's race and stuff is silly when there is so much better ammunition.

ToTheNines

08-11-2024, 07:14 PM

The Fred Wolf Turtles absolutely would endorse those loons.

https://s.faketrumptweet.com/lzq8qixm_my4q_ttbxih.png

FredWolfLeonardo

08-11-2024, 08:09 PM

I remember the fake Trump tweets thread here :lol: Fun times.

CyberCubed

08-11-2024, 08:57 PM

All previous versions of the Turtles were only around for George Bush Sr. and Bill Clinton's presidency from the 80's-90's. I wonder what they would think about those presidencies.

Andrew NDB

08-11-2024, 10:06 PM

yeah, the online red pill communities I'm a part of

I shudder to imagine the "communities" you're a part of.

Coola Yagami

08-12-2024, 12:37 AM

yeah, the online red pill communities I'm a part of all abandoned Trump, that leaves his hardcore base just boomers and white trash. I mean 2016 Trump was a different man, full of energy, you could actually believe he was an outsider going in. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVnlS3F6BP0 still entertaining to watch to this day.
Can't wait for his meltdown after he loses again to a literally who candidate, just because anyone on the fence just wanted someone that wasn't senile.

That's interesting. A lot of those Red Pill guys were big on Trump back in the day. So they're now abandoning him too, huh?

Andrew NDB

08-12-2024, 01:24 AM

That's interesting. A lot of those Red Pill guys were big on Trump back in the day. So they're now abandoning him too, huh?

Among Tumblr circles of DBZ or whatever the hell he or it walks through elsewhere. Sure. Probably.

CyberCubed

08-12-2024, 05:47 AM

It is weird how age creeps up on people when they're in their 70's. You look at both Trump and Biden from even just 5 years ago and they were both full of more energy than they are now. I guess once you hit your late 70's or early 80's you're basically on your last legs. Age hits you fast when you're on your last years.

Makes me worried for Harrison Ford.

ToTheNines

08-12-2024, 08:13 AM

https://s.faketrumptweet.com/lzr0jzrw_1ckn6hu_196eijp.png

Vegita-San

08-12-2024, 08:46 AM

https://s.faketrumptweet.com/lzr0jzrw_1ckn6hu_196eijp.png

I'd like to think that's fake, but these days? :)

Vegita-San

08-12-2024, 08:47 AM

yeah, the online red pill communities I'm a part of all abandoned Trump, that leaves his hardcore base just boomers and white trash. I mean 2016 Trump was a different man, full of energy, you could actually believe he was an outsider going in. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVnlS3F6BP0 still entertaining to watch to this day.
Can't wait for his meltdown after he loses again to a literally who candidate, just because anyone on the fence just wanted someone that wasn't senile.

smh. you probably think harris is winning in polls, too :)

Mayhem

08-12-2024, 08:51 AM

Trump is starting to grasp at straws…

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/08/11/politics/video/harris-campaign-photo-michigan-trump-post-liptak-nr-digvid

smh. you probably think harris is winning in polls, too :)

Right now, she is, but not by much.

Zulithe

08-12-2024, 09:44 AM

Harris is still building support, none of us expected her to beat Trump's established support right away. But she is making remarkable progress. Trump is furious about it. He's writing fanfiction about Biden wanting his place on the ticket back on Truth Social.

Her numbers are only going to strengthen while Trump's will only go down. He's already gotten all the support he can possibly get, anyone not won over by him alerady is a lost cause. And he's actually shedding support, some going to Kennedy. Kennedy may well by Trump's Ralph Nader. Gonna be so sweet to see.

Coola Yagami

08-12-2024, 12:06 PM

Someone should make a cartoon of Shredder and Krang endorsing Trump.

The villains were cooler than the heroes anyway.

Honestly, they'd only support Trump if he started some sort of sewer-flushing-out program, or a anti-mutant program or if instead of curbing funds over to other countries like Biden, he was curbing them towards Technodrome repairs.

I'm still angry at when Americans were hurting most from CoVid, we wouldn't have gotten the second stimulus check unless a huge part of it went to some other country first.

Mayhem

08-12-2024, 12:11 PM

Her numbers are only going to strengthen while Trump's will only go down. He's already gotten all the support he can possibly get, anyone not won over by him alerady is a lost cause. And he's actually shedding support, some going to Kennedy. Kennedy may well by Trump's Ralph Nader. Gonna be so sweet to see.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid02irpWmzRYzxTj8VMM3RYfi9 agwCxgLzYoJnd7JX12kesVg21XZSY15ZvTmQa6qy5Pl&id=1130565964

Andrew NDB

08-12-2024, 03:39 PM

I'm still angry at when Americans were hurting most from CoVid, we wouldn't have gotten the second stimulus check unless a huge part of it went to some other country first.

Imagine if nothing had been shut down so we wouldn't need to have even a first stimulus check.

Coola Yagami

08-12-2024, 04:50 PM

Imagine if nothing had been shut down so we wouldn't need to have even a first stimulus check.

eh idk man. Back when CoVid was new and such, I wouldn't have felt comfortable going to work in a crowded office.

I remember having movie theater plans with the crew that week, and then I told em I'd probably skip it because I didn't feel comfortable going to a crowded theater til the situation changed, and then I found out all movie theaters were shut down anyway so... that was that.

Coola Yagami

08-12-2024, 04:54 PM

oh, so THAT'S why Trump comes off as a crazy dumbass dictator. He wasn't the real Trump, that was a hologram created by Krang and Shredder.

The wall was part of the plan to raise the Technodrome.

Mayhem

08-12-2024, 05:13 PM

https://i.imgur.com/Vb7tgds.jpeg

Andrew NDB

08-12-2024, 05:20 PM

It's true. The left can't meme.

Cowabung-Gal

08-12-2024, 10:27 PM

From Politically Incorrect Humor

https://i0.wp.com/politicallyincorrecthumor.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/sargent-major-middle-east-deploy-tim-walz.jpg?w=500&ssl=1

https://i0.wp.com/politicallyincorrecthumor.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/kamala-michael-jackson-speaking-in-ga.jpg?w=520&ssl=1

Barkworm

08-12-2024, 11:25 PM

You know what's funnier than those memes? The favourability ratings for JD Vance.

Mayhem

08-13-2024, 04:09 AM

You know what's funnier than those memes? The favourability ratings for JD Vance.
What the sofa ****er? Massive range of memes on that doing the rounds…

Zulithe

08-13-2024, 09:42 AM

Donald Trump doesn't pay his bills, despite kirby-inhaling every penny he can from his cultists.

https://dailymontanan.com/2024/08/08/when-trump-comes-to-town-he-brings-excitement-leaves-unpaid-bills/

https://x.com/KeneAkers/status/1822840494868861196

I suppose his response to this would be something along the lines of, "that makes me smart."

Andrew NDB

08-13-2024, 10:19 AM

Coola Yagami

08-13-2024, 10:28 AM

Yes, I'm sure it must be Trump didn't take out his VISA card from his wallet and pay for security bills in advance at these things or something. I'm sure that's exactly how these things work.

TDS really seems to lower IQs, and pretty drastically.

I remember that one woman that was applauded for walking around with a decapitated Trump head. She never would have seen the light of day if that was Obama instead.

Cowabung-Gal

08-13-2024, 10:51 AM

I remember that one woman that was applauded for walking around with a decapitated Trump head. She never would have seen the light of day if that was Obama instead.

You mean Kathy Griffin?

Coola Yagami

08-13-2024, 10:54 AM

You mean Kathy Griffin?

That was her???

Andrew NDB

08-13-2024, 10:54 AM

And then she was crying because no one would hire her after that.

Mayhem

08-13-2024, 04:31 PM

For some reason, presumably because his old under-maintained 757 is out of action, Trump is currently using a plane that belonged to an old mate.

Yeah, that one.

https://i.imgur.com/SkflYhT.png

Andrew NDB

08-13-2024, 05:29 PM

Charming story about Walz shutting down small businesses and locking up the elderly during COVID.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/minnesota-grandma-jailed-defying-walz-lockdown-warns-americans-you-do-not-want-tyranny-level

member_removed

08-13-2024, 08:09 PM

I think a fair and independent review of Walz's military service. From Veteran and form Minnesota Governer Jesse Ventura.

https://youtu.be/Qab007BtkDM?si=wrv8i7YzqgIaNAwi

Bahamut810

08-13-2024, 10:59 PM

I think a fair and independent review of Walz's military service. From Veteran and form Minnesota Governer Jesse Ventura.

https://youtu.be/Qab007BtkDM?si=wrv8i7YzqgIaNAwi

This was a trip.

1. How dare a vet criticize another vet!
2. Bush caused wars!
3. Srs tho...how dare a vet Criticize another vet!
4. ABORTION IS AWESOME BECAUSE MEN EVIL.

Just wow.

robertfiduciary

08-14-2024, 12:39 AM

https://www.statnews.com/2020/05/17/the-art-of-the-pandemic-how-donald-trump-walked-the-u-s-into-the-covid-19-era/

Yeah, Andrew NDB! Imagine.

Imagine if nothing had been shut down so we wouldn't need to have even a first stimulus check.

Mayhem

08-14-2024, 05:02 AM

https://www.statnews.com/2020/05/17/the-art-of-the-pandemic-how-donald-trump-walked-the-u-s-into-the-covid-19-era/

Yeah, Andrew NDB! Imagine.
I'd refrained from bringing it up because... well, it's pretty common knowledge Trump screwed the pooch re Covid response and hundreds of thousands of Americans died needlessly from poor pandemic handling and execution.

As for criticising Walz re his service, old Captain Bonespurs dodged the draft and puts down military veterans, calling them losers if they got captured. Fine upstanding behaviour towards those who served their country. At least Walz was in part of the military.

Regarding the Covid lockdowns in Minnesota, they were fairly lenient compared to what the likes of say Singapore and Australia enacted. And guess what? While they were going on (they loosened later), they both had some of the lowest Covid related death rates.

"But it's just like the flu!" all the parrots squawk. The Spanish flu a hundred years ago killed an extra 2% of Europe in the space of 18 months. That was a LOT of people considering the population at the time and that travel was a lot harder to go and spread to places. Vaccines and better overall immunity over the decades means flu is less deadly than it used to be.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/aug/13/donald-trump-elon-musk-x-twitter-politician-tech?CMP=share_btn_url

For a genius, finally, Musk’s interview technique is surprisingly like that of a nitwit breakfast host. (Donna Air once asked the Corrs how they met.) He guffawed his way through most of Trump’s ramblings, reserving special admiration for the authoritarians and dictators he’d encountered. Trump mentioned meeting with Kim Jong-un. “That was cool,” gurgled Musk, whose platform is banned in North Korea. “If something happens with this election,” concluded Trump, “we’ll meet the next time in Venezuela, because it’ll be a far safer place to meet than our country.” Fortunately, as is the case with pretty much anywhere ruled by these freedom-loathing strongmen, X is also currently banned in Venezuela. So at least we’d be spared having to glitch our way through another meeting of minds like this.
Piss up in a brewery non techie X owner and drunk Donald try to chat about turning the US into a dictatorship...

Andrew NDB

08-14-2024, 10:40 AM

I'd refrained from bringing it up because... well, it's pretty common knowledge Trump screwed the pooch re Covid response and hundreds of thousands of Americans died needlessly from poor pandemic handling and execution.

How did even one person die from any poor handling or execution on his behalf? You mean by him getting the vaccines created?

As for criticising Walz re his service, old Captain Bonespurs dodged the draft

But never lied about it. What is it about lefties that they can't get through their heads about it? Walz lied about his service. That's the big deal here. Most people don't serve in the military. Lying about having done so, especially even having been deployed in wartime is the problem.

I know this is extremely hard to grasp.

puts down military veterans, calling them losers if they got captured.

Made up.

Zulithe

08-14-2024, 11:28 AM

But never lied about it. What is it about lefties that they can't get through their heads about it?

https://www.factcheck.org/2024/08/attacks-on-walzs-military-record/

It is VERY telling that the very worst thing any republican can come up with on Walz is the one time he misspoke about using guns in war. during his 24 years of service, he did fire and train people to use those guns he is talking about "innumerable times," which is what he was referring to in his statement. When he spoke about it in the 2018 clip Rs are spreading around he did technically misrepresent how he used those weapons, but it was not a bald-faced lie.

Trump lies with his every breath, you can list the countless lies he spoke in the Elon interview alone and it would be pages and pages of them. But wow, that Walz one really takes the cake! You're not fooling anyone with this line of attack.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/13/politics/fact-check-trump-musk-20-false-claims/index.html

Mayhem

08-14-2024, 07:07 PM

Yeah, basically at this point we are seeing a narcissist losing his sanity because more and more people are realising he is wearing no clothes, and his grifting is doing nothing to stem the tide. Cue $16M loss for Truth Social this quarter.

How did even one person die from any poor handling or execution on his behalf? You mean by him getting the vaccines created?
By the start of June 2020, the US coronavirus death toll surpassed 100k, then the most in the world, and more than the next three countries combined. Trump’s message for the American people then: it was China’s fault, and the only reason the US death toll isn’t worse is because of his quick action in banning travel from China.

There were many reasons the US death toll was so high even after three months, including a national response plagued by delays at the federal level, wishful thinking by Trump, the sidelining of experts, disbanding the pandemic response department, a pointed White House campaign to place the blame for the Trump administration’s shortcomings on others, and time wasted chasing down false hopes based on poor science.

Made up.
Corroborated by several other people in his administration. Captain Bonespurs hates the military because he was almost forced to take part.

Barkworm

08-15-2024, 01:54 AM

But never lied about it. What is it about lefties that they can't get through their heads about it? Walz lied about his service. That's the big deal here. Most people don't serve in the military. Lying about having done so, especially even having been deployed in wartime is the problem.
Yeah, spreading misinformation is always a problem. But is this something you also complain about to your right-wing friends when you talk about your candidate? Because otherwise you'd be a giant hypocrite.

Mayhem

08-15-2024, 03:36 AM

Yeah, spreading misinformation is always a problem. But is this something you also complain about to your right-wing friends when you talk about your candidate? Because otherwise you'd be a giant hypocrite.
Of course not, Donald Drunk speaks the truth all the time! :roll::lol:

Zulithe

08-15-2024, 08:55 AM

https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/1823474277779431597

Yo Donald, prove to us you can at least ride a bike. Biden has no problem. How else are we to know you are physically able to be President?

Zulithe

08-15-2024, 09:46 AM

Vance doesn't stand a chance

VP Candidates Accept Oct. 1 CBS News Debate; JD Vance Says He’ll Also Do Sept. 18 CNN Event
https://deadline.com/2024/08/jd-vance-tim-walz-vice-presidential-debate-cbs-news-1236041140/

TMNT is cooler than MOTU

08-15-2024, 01:48 PM

Made up.

UNugcPeCZZE

Barkworm

08-15-2024, 02:30 PM

UNugcPeCZZE
Probably an AI fake, just like the "grab her by the pussy" audio.

Zulithe

08-15-2024, 02:47 PM

exactly, the attacks on Walz's military record is just what they did to McCain and Kerry.

BTW, the chief strategist of Bush-Cheny campaign admitted the Swift Boat Veterans For Truth was all lies. Check the community comments

https://x.com/matthewjdowd/status/1821607421804212429

So if any Rs want to continue going down this path... you can't hide from history, we already know this playbook.

ANYWAYS...

I'd like to keep things on a more optimistic note. Lots of polls coming out in recent days. Like here

https://emersoncollegepolling.com/august-2024-national-poll-harris-50-trump-46/

And I hope everyone eligible to vote this year in the USA will do so, no matter who you vote for. There is still a lot of time to register. Let your voice be heard. It doesn't matter even if you think most of the other people in your county/state/etc. won't be voting the way you do, YOUR VOTE still shows those you are voting for that you are there which is important. Even if who you are voting for loses, if it's a close enough race it can lead to them putting more effort and spending into your area in the future for example.

There is a scary amount of effort going into blocking people from voting, even unregistered voters who might think they were already registered. Some states are now even requiring more frequent re-registering to stay eligible to vote due to all the scaremongering about "fake votes" almost all of which is BS, but unfortunately it's still impacting how many places conduct how they handle voter registration. So make sure you are registered if you aren't 100% sure. There are forces out there that DO NOT WANT YOU TO VOTE. Don't let them take your power away from you.

In my state I'm registered as a permanent voter by mail. More states should do it because it's amazing. I receive a huge book that explains every single thing I can vote on, including all the for/against arguments, and details on all the candidates and bills. I use that as a starting point and then do additional research online, especially for local candidates who I'm not always the most familiar with. Then I get my ballot in the mail which I can TAKE MY TIME to fill out instead of being rushed to do the entire voting process in person at a ballot box which can be stressful. Then I seal it, and drop it either in my outgoing mail slot (which is secure, only the mailman can get it) or in one of my local designated drop boxes (also secure.), You can TRACK your own ballot so you know 100% if it gets counted. I can vote weeks before the election, isn't that nice? Now imagine being in a state that fearmongers the voting process and forces you to stand in a line to vote in person only on election day. Draconian. What if you or someone you know or love made a mistake and weren't registered properly and show up to vote on election day and get turned away? In some states this can easily happen since they are trying their hardest to unregister people. MOST states also do not allow same day voter registration, I think only 20 or so states allow this.

Cowabung-Gal

08-15-2024, 09:30 PM

And I hope everyone eligible to vote this year in the USA will do so, no matter who you vote for.

So you mean people who are at least 18 and are legal citizens?

Mayhem

08-16-2024, 03:49 AM

So you mean people who are at least 18 and are legal citizens?
And not criminals, ooops, sorry Don Poorleone! :lol:

In recent years, the issue of non-citizen voting has gained increased attention. Former President Donald Trump, in particular, has been vocal in amplifying concerns about the alleged prevalence of non-citizens casting ballots in federal elections. This narrative has been echoed by other Republican lawmakers, leading to the introduction of legislation aimed at addressing the perceived problem.

One such example is the SAVE Act 2024, put forth by a group of representatives conservative-leaning states across the U.S. The bill seeks to end the practice of non-citizen voting in U.S. elections, despite a lack of substantial evidence indicating that this is a widespread issue requiring urgent legislative action.

During a recent press conference, House Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) admitted to reporters that his claims about voter fraud were lacking concrete evidence.

“We all know – intuitively – that a lot of illegals are voting in federal elections. But it’s not been something that is easily provable,” Johnson told reporters without offering evidence to support the claim.

This acknowledgment highlights the challenges in providing real evidence to support the necessity of measures like the SAVE Act 2024. Critics argue that these efforts may be more politically motivated than grounded in empirical data, raising questions about the necessity and effectiveness of such measures in ensuring the integrity of the electoral process.
Only 30 people were prosecuted for this in the 2016 election so... how much does it REALLY happen?

Barkworm

08-16-2024, 04:23 AM

Best part about it is Mike Johnson knowing stuff 'intuitively'. Wonderful example of how the right loves to make sh*t up and feed it to their minions who won't question it. Because they know.

Mayhem

08-16-2024, 05:39 AM

Best part about it is Mike Johnson knowing stuff 'intuitively'. Wonderful example of how the right loves to make sh*t up and feed it to their minions who won't question it. Because they know.
This is it, in a nutshell... we know... we just know... we can't tell you how we know because it's being covered up, do your own research and find it.

Also, while maybe not THE best candidates, the Democrat campaign is certainly making a few strikes and home runs...

https://i.imgur.com/9pi8MsG.jpeg

Bahamut810

08-16-2024, 11:08 AM

Best part about it is Mike Johnson knowing stuff 'intuitively'. Wonderful example of how the right loves to make sh*t up and feed it to their minions who won't question it. Because they know.

I dont know how often that it happens, but if its so extremely rare that its not a problem there should be no problem requiring ID to verify Citizenship and Voting record.

Seems simple

Barkworm

08-16-2024, 11:17 AM

I dont know how often that it happens, but if its so extremely rare that its not a problem there should be no problem requiring ID to verify Citizenship and Voting record.

Seems simple
Of course I agree with this and it seems like common sense. Here in Germany, you're not allowed to vote without an ID.

But the motives for Republicans to push for voter ID is not to avoid voter fraud but to bar certain groups from voting who would have a hard time to get such IDs.

Cowabung-Gal

08-16-2024, 11:37 AM

And not criminals, ooops, sorry Don Poorleone! :lol:

Guess that would’ve included this guy as well.

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/41XaORhKOVL.__AC_SY300_SX300_QL70_ML2_.jpg

Zulithe

08-16-2024, 02:44 PM

So you mean people who are at least 18 and are legal citizens?
If you fit all of the requirements to vote in your state, whatever those are. Generally that is 18 years of age and a legal citizen, I'm not sure what all exceptions exist across all 50 states. I also support the right for felons to vote. I do not support non-citizens voting and neither do the vast majority of dems.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2024/may/20/mike-johnson/mike-johnsons-false-claim-that-immigrants-paroled/

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2024/08/14/biden-walz-noncitizens-vote-fact-check/74793407007/

https://www.usa.gov/who-can-vote

Cowabung-Gal

08-16-2024, 10:25 PM

I do not support non-citizens voting and neither do the vast majority of dems.

Why wouldn’t they support it? Especially since non-citizens tend to vote Democrat?

https://www.justfacts.com/news_non-citizen_voter_registration

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Zulithe

08-16-2024, 11:10 PM

The video you posted is about health care coverage... completely different matter. People have various opinions about human rights and rather health care is a human right and not a citizen right. In many countries, a US citizen can go there and get FREE (or very low cost) health care and even surgeries even though they are fully aware you are not a citizen. So it's not even a USA specific issue.

I don't know what to tell you about the voting thing. You seem convinced that non citizens voting in the USA is a big issue. It's not. There is no proof of it. It's not legal for non citizens to vote in federal elections. There have been SOME efforts to allow non citizens to vote in certain local elections, such as for school boards, but it is not widespread and doesn't impact federal elections.

All the research I've made shows very low cases of this ever happening:
Have there been documented cases of noncitizens voting?

The Heritage Foundation’s analysis of legal actions regarding election conduct found only 24 instances of noncitizens voting between 2003 and 2023. A study conducted by the Brennan Center for Justice analyzing 23.5 million votes across 42 jurisdictions in the 2016 general election concluded that there were approximately 30 instances of noncitizens casting votes. Illegal voting, including by noncitizens, is routinely investigated and prosecuted by the appropriate authorities, and there is no evidence that noncitizen voting has ever been significant enough to impact an election’s outcome.
So, why such a big concern over something that is barely happening? You could say "YEAH BUT IT SHOULD BE ZERO! 30 IS MORE THAN ZERO!" yeah it should, but it's a very big country and a lot of **** slides through. Doesn't mean there is a concerted effort by any person or group to get illegals voting.

Another thing to keep in mind... non citizens can sometimes be applied to vote automatically without actually intending to when they apply for certain documents, like for example imagine a green card holder (a non citizen who is legally allowed to live here) applying for an ID at the DMV. This might put them in certain records of voters, even though they can't legally vote and should run into issues if they tried. There are examples of this happening and it's some of the 'evidence' right wingers like to use to show illegals are voting in our elections.

Cowabung-Gal

08-16-2024, 11:29 PM

The video you posted is about health care coverage... completely different matter.

It’s a demonstration of how far Democrats are willing to go to get non-citizens to pledge their loyalty to them at the expense of the actual citizens.

Also, didn’t the majority of House Democrats recently vote against a bill that would require proof of citizenship and make it easy to gain and provide such proof to register to vote?

I mean, if illegal voting is not an issue, then why block it?

So, why such a big concern over something that is barely happening?

Step 1: It’s not happening.

Step 2: Yeah it’s happening but it’s not a big deal.

Step 3: It’s good that it’s happening.

Every illegal vote nullifies a legal vote. Ignoring the issue is definitely not gonna solve it.

https://www.sfusd.edu/announcements/2024-08-10-eligible-non-citizens-may-vote-november-5-2024-school-board-election

https://www.justfacts.com/news_non-citizen_voter_registration

Zulithe

08-17-2024, 12:23 AM

30 cases of illegal voting over a 20 year period may as well be zero. It's statistically equivalent to zero.

I already addressed the local school board elections that a very small number of areas are allowing. Has zero impact on state or federal elections.

Keep posting that justfacts website... it's bound to convince me
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/just-facts/

I don't find the arguing about non citizens voting to be a compelling one because all data shows it's a smokescreen issue and not a true concern. Continuing to entertain complaints about it just feeds into the false notion that it's a legitimate problem. So I won't be commenting further on it here. It all leads back to the fake lies Trump spread nonstop since his loss in 2020, boosting any conspiracy he can to make it look like he really won. He did not.

Cowabung-Gal

08-17-2024, 12:43 AM

Keep posting that justfacts website... it's bound to convince me
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/just-facts/

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2024/may/20/mike-johnson/mike-johnsons-false-claim-that-immigrants-paroled/

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2024/08/14/biden-walz-noncitizens-vote-fact-check/74793407007/

And two of your sources aren’t biased at all? And don’t lie, ‘cause I checked using the same website.

I don't find the arguing about non citizens voting to be a compelling one because all data shows it's a smokescreen issue and not a true concern. Continuing to entertain complaints about it just feeds into the false notion that it's a legitimate problem. So I won't be commenting further on it here.

Okay.

It all leads back to the fake lies Trump spread nonstop since his loss in 2020, boosting any conspiracy he can to make it look like he really won. He did not.

Annnnd you continued to run your mouth anyway.

Yeah, Trump lost. Did Obama win solely because of the non-citizens who confessed to voting for him? No.

Barkworm

08-17-2024, 05:10 AM

And two of your sources aren’t biased at all? And don’t lie, ‘cause I checked using the same website.

It's not about bias but about factual reporting. And just facts isn't great at that.

Cowabung-Gal

08-17-2024, 11:27 AM

Actually, now that I’m exploring it more, I don’t think Media Bias/Fact Check is that reliable either. They rated The Mary Sue of all sites as “Mostly Factual” and “High Credibility”. What a joke.

And they gave the same rating to CNN. :lol:

Even Stephen Colbert’s audience isn’t buying that gaslighting.

Barkworm

08-17-2024, 01:19 PM

Actually, now that I’m exploring it more, I don’t think Media Bias/Fact Check is that reliable either.

See, this has been the biggest problem with right wingers for the last decade. From that guy who "unskewed the polls" and Republican pollsters for Mitt Romney who exclaimed that they wouldn't let their campaign "be dictated by fact-checkers" to Kellyanne Conway's infamous "alternative facts" (read: LIES), the radical right (or "centrists" as they see themselves) has been building their own reality around the idea that it's not important whether something is actually true but whether you BELIEVE it to be true or not. And Donald Trump is the embodiment of this movement.

Cowabung-Gal

08-17-2024, 01:31 PM

building their own reality around the idea that it's not important whether something is actually true but whether you BELIEVE it to be true or not.

The Left does that too, especially when it comes to biology.

I’m just saying, for an unbiased “fact checker”, it feels like a bought-for website to me, much like Rotten Tomatoes. They rated Fox News with low credibility, which is understandable, but high credibility for CNN, which is utterly ridiculous and biased in itself.

Wednesday's Serial

08-19-2024, 09:34 PM

See, this has been the biggest problem with right wingers for the last decade. From that guy who "unskewed the polls" and Republican pollsters for Mitt Romney who exclaimed that they wouldn't let their campaign "be dictated by fact-checkers" to Kellyanne Conway's infamous "alternative facts" (read: LIES), the radical right (or "centrists" as they see themselves) has been building their own reality around the idea that it's not important whether something is actually true but whether you BELIEVE it to be true or not. And Donald Trump is the embodiment of this movement.

Just wanted to give you props for hitting the nail on the head.

Wednesday's Serial

08-19-2024, 09:34 PM

The Left does that too, especially when it comes to biology.

No... Gender and Sex allow for the divide so that it literally can't be about biology.

Mayhem

08-20-2024, 05:43 AM

No... Gender and Sex allow for the divide so that it literally can't be about biology.
Especially when pretty much any criteria you learned in high school science about what is "male" and what is "female" is provable not 100% accurate.

Zulithe

08-20-2024, 07:00 AM

So good :lol:

https://x.com/Acyn/status/1825720875053887993

Dems having a good convention this year.

And damn, when I see videos of Kamala's rallies and then videos of Trump's rallies from recent days... particularly when you see the crowds and how enthusiastic they are... the contrast is incredible.

The power of A.I. right? :lol::lol::lol::lol:

Also HOLY **** the burn.

https://x.com/Acyn/status/1825719786338398443

But this is the guy so-called Evangelicals want to represent them? What a Godly man. Okay, okay, I'll let up. It's too easy to stomp on Trump anymore.

But wait, there's more... Queen Elizabeth's new book she called Don "very rude" and believes he has some kind of arrangement with Melania (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13758993/queen-elizabeth-donald-trump-melania-craig-brown.html) because it's very clear she can't stand him. Ack... there I go again... I can't stop myself

Maybe someday Melania can build the courage to write her own tell-all story. But she's probably NDA'd to hell and back. So I'm not expecting it until after Trump's passing.

Zulithe

08-20-2024, 02:21 PM

The sad, pathetic and frankly offensive attacks are just getting warmed up

Fox News thinks Walz is a Chinese sleeper agent (https://www.the-express.com/news/politics/146417/tim-walz-chinese-sleeper-agent-maga)

Tump sowing doubt about Kamala's citizenship and heritage just like he did Obama. (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-portrays-harris-as-foreign-echoing-past-attacks-on-democrats-of-color/ar-AA1p4Lrh) Notice how he only does this to folks of color.

Andrew NDB

08-20-2024, 02:48 PM

Tump sowing doubt about Kamala's citizenship and heritage just like he did Obama. (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-portrays-harris-as-foreign-echoing-past-attacks-on-democrats-of-color/ar-AA1p4Lrh) Notice how he only does this to folks of color.

Did we forget "Pocahontas" already, who it turned out wasn't a person of color? Or is she not useful for the narrative anymore?

Cowabung-Gal

08-20-2024, 03:06 PM

No... Gender and Sex allow for the divide so that it literally can't be about biology.

You mean you get to cherry pick what you want to believe when it comes to science and biology. Science vs religion.

Galileo got punished for suggesting that the Earth revolved around the Sun and not the other way around, which was the popular belief at the time. Centuries later, we can clearly see that he was right all along.

Believe in the science, right?

Especially when pretty much any criteria you learned in high school science about what is "male" and what is "female" is provable not 100% accurate.

You mean chromosomes are liars?

And is this an argument for school choice? I mean, if public schools aren’t 100% accurate, then why force other people’s kids to attend them?

Wednesday's Serial

08-20-2024, 03:30 PM

You mean you get to cherry pick what you want to believe when it comes to science and biology. Science vs religion.

Galileo got punished for suggesting that the Earth revolved around the Sun and not the other way around, which was the popular belief at the time. Centuries later, we can clearly see that he was right all along.

Believe in the science, right?

No... you're fighting the denotation.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gender
There's a whole section about the growing distinction between Gender and Sex.

Andrew NDB

08-20-2024, 03:39 PM

No... you're fighting the denotation.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gender
There's a whole section about the growing distinction between Gender and Sex.

Is that what Merriam-Webster's definition was all along, or was it quietly changed within the last 5 years since they started overtly playing partisan politics? Because I know the answer and so should you.

Mayhem

08-20-2024, 06:04 PM

You mean chromosomes are liars?

And is this an argument for school choice? I mean, if public schools aren’t 100% accurate, then why force other people’s kids to attend them?
Because what is taught in schools is a much simplified version when in reality, like so many other things in life, it’s a lot more complex once you’re exposed to the research and evidence out there. Having said that, unless you are geneticist, or involved in various research to do with the human body (spoiler alert, the better half and many of her colleagues are), you aren’t likely to run into it during the normal process of life.

But it has come more to the fore recently with the whole “scandal” of the two female boxers during the Olympics.

As for your original question, yes, yes they can be. Not all men have XY chromosomes. Not all women have YY chromosomes. It’s way way more complex than this simple black or white assertion.

FredWolfLeonardo

08-20-2024, 06:26 PM

I prefer seeing the world in black and white terms. Its make life alot easier and simpler.

I've never needed peer reviewed academic studies to tell me what is a man and a woman, and I prefer to keep it that way.

Andrew NDB

08-20-2024, 06:30 PM

The left's favorite thing to do is manipulate the language. Don't fall for it. Never let them take an inch. They are almost never operating in good faith.

Coola Yagami

08-20-2024, 07:34 PM

The left's favorite thing to do is manipulate the language. Don't fall for it. Never let them take an inch. They are almost never operating in good faith.

Remember when they went back and redefined what the word vaccine means in Webster and other places just so that CoVid concoction now counted as a vaccine.

Cowabung-Gal

08-20-2024, 07:39 PM

Because what is taught in schools is a much simplified version when in reality, like so many other things in life, it’s a lot more complex once you’re exposed to the research and evidence out there. Having said that, unless you are geneticist, or involved in various research to do with the human body (spoiler alert, the better half and many of her colleagues are), you aren’t likely to run into it during the normal process of life.

I’m no expert with a PhD (highest degree I have is a Bachelor’s) but I know for a fact that the Earth is round. Learned that in kindergarten. Should I agree with Flat Earthers and say, “Yeah, okay, you’re right, the Earth is flat,” because if I disagree with them and present them with facts and evidence that prove otherwise, it would hurt their feelings?

As for your original question, yes, yes they can be. Not all men have XY chromosomes. Not all women have YY chromosomes. It’s way way more complex than this simple black or white assertion.

Everything has to be way way more complicated now. “2 + 2 = 5” “It’s more considerate to snap your fingers rather than clap your hands because the latter makes some people uncomfortable.” (I can’t even snap my fingers so I’m in trouble, lol) “Don’t say ‘Merry Christmas’ because not everyone is a Christian.” “My name is so-and-so and my pronouns are this/that” “Unless you’re Hispanic, you shouldn’t wear a sombrero because that would be cultural appropriation”. What a miserable existence that must be.

Wednesday's Serial

08-20-2024, 08:03 PM

The left's favorite thing to do is manipulate the language. Don't fall for it. Never let them take an inch. They are almost never operating in good faith.

To be clear you're arguing with the Dictionary.
If I can't point to the dictionary for the meaning of a word, is there anywhere you'd trust as a source?

member_removed

08-20-2024, 08:26 PM

Ok folks honest question, which is more important?

congressional medal of honor or the Presidential Medal of Freedom?

Cowabung-Gal

08-20-2024, 08:50 PM

Ok folks honest question, which is more important?

congressional medal of honor or the Presidential Medal of Freedom?

Neither are important. Medals mean nothing. Just ask the honored veterans who threw theirs away.

Bahamut810

08-20-2024, 11:23 PM

Zulithe

08-21-2024, 03:14 AM

Did we forget "Pocahontas" already, who it turned out wasn't a person of color? Or is she not useful for the narrative anymore?
"Did you forget about the other person Trump mocked relentlessly over their heritage?" :o:lol:

Yeah I kinda did, she hasn't been a very prominent voice in the party after her 2020 run attempt. And she does have native american ancestry, just not very much of it. Yeah she put she was native american on a form one time, even if there is no evidence that her supposed (distant) NA ancestory helped her career in any shape or form. I'm not here to defend her, people make mistakes.

I have siblings (of a different father) with native american heritage, you can't even tell they have it even though their dad definitely looks it. They are super white passing. So I'm sympathetic to her claims. Your racial background/ethnic heritage/whatever you want to call it can get very complex, it can be a muddy water to wade through for a lot of reasons. But having people judge your heritage and say "you're not X enough" is hurtful, it's stll a part of you. You can embrace all the different parts of your heritage and you should.

But I guarantee you what Warren has done wrong doesn't hold a candle to the mountains of wrongs done by Trump. That's what I'm here to shout from the rooftops. Having him as our president was a disaster for our country, very chaotic. We're not going back.

Mayhem

08-21-2024, 03:20 AM

I prefer seeing the world in black and white terms. Its make life alot easier and simpler.
And herein lies one of the problems in the world, people unwilling to change or accept their position may not correct based on newer evidence.

Remember when they went back and redefined what the word vaccine means in Webster and other places just so that CoVid concoction now counted as a vaccine.
It IS a vaccine, and that also comes from people I know who worked on the research for one of them, and helped administer it. May not fit your narrative, but tough. The only difference is that the initial test cycle was not as long as most other vaccines go through.

I’m no expert with a PhD (highest degree I have is a Bachelor’s) but I know for a fact that the Earth is round. Learned that in kindergarten. Should I agree with Flat Earthers and say, “Yeah, okay, you’re right, the Earth is flat,” because if I disagree with them and present them with facts and evidence that prove otherwise, it would hurt their feelings?
I appreciate the analogy but it’s not quite the same. The Earth is round not flat. The majority of people are defined as male or female by what we learned when younger, but it isn’t 100% true all the time.

FredWolfLeonardo

08-21-2024, 06:54 AM

And herein lies one of the problems in the world, people unwilling to change or accept their position may not correct based on newer evidence.

I agree on the latter, but I don't see it as a problem. I think its beautiful, that humans are rigid, tribal and warriors who are un-willing to change.

It IS a vaccine, and that also comes from people I know who worked on the research for one of them, and helped administer it. May not fit your narrative, but tough. The only difference is that the initial test cycle was not as long as most other vaccines go through.

Agreed. The covid vaccine mandate thing is one thing I love the far left for, and as a far-right person I think our camps share alot in common around our authoritarian tendencies.

ZariusTwo

08-21-2024, 08:22 AM

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'Bout time Colbert got some real hollering in his chamber, good on him for not shutting them down either, he knew it'd make good TV.

Andrew NDB

08-21-2024, 10:25 AM

"Did you forget about the other person Trump mocked relentlessly over their heritage?" :o:lol:

Yeah I kinda did, she hasn't been a very prominent voice in the party after her 2020 run attempt. And she does have native american ancestry, just not very much of it.

Are you kidding me? She took a test to try and shut everyone up... then it turned out to be like 1%. I'm more African American than she is Native American.

Coola Yagami

08-21-2024, 10:48 AM

It IS a vaccine, and that also comes from people I know who worked on the research for one of them, and helped administer it. May not fit your narrative, but tough. The only difference is that the initial test cycle was not as long as most other vaccines go through.

It's only a vaccine because the very definition of the word was altered to call it as such.

Cowabung-Gal

08-21-2024, 11:16 AM

I appreciate the analogy but it’s not quite the same. The Earth is round not flat. The majority of people are defined as male or female by what we learned when younger, but it isn’t 100% true all the time.

It is the same. You either live in reality or you don’t.

Yeah, some people do get the short end of the stick and develop genetic and psychological disorders. Some people have six fingers. Some people suffer from color blindness. Some people are psychopaths. No one is denying that such people exist.

But I don’t want to live in a world where my life could be ruined or I could even be jailed just because I refuse to call someone else a “cat” because they identify as such. (Yes, that’s real. It’s called catgender.)

Zulithe

08-21-2024, 12:31 PM

Are you kidding me? She took a test to try and shut everyone up... then it turned out to be like 1%. I'm more African American than she is Native American.
Okay, and? Nobody was voting for her anyway, why harp on it so much. It's small potatoes compared to what I could list against trump and vance. But sure, focus on that.

It's like if I came into this thread and started talking about Rudy Giuliani. I could do it and I could come up with some good stuff to say about him, but it's not very consequential now is it.

Why don't you focus on Kamala and Walz that's what matters right now.

Andrew NDB

08-21-2024, 12:57 PM

Okay, and? Nobody was voting for her anyway, why harp on it so much. It's small potatoes compared to what I could list against trump and vance. But sure, focus on that.

It's like if I came into this thread and started talking about Rudy Giuliani. I could do it and I could come up with some good stuff to say about him, but it's not very consequential now is it.

Why don't you focus on Kamala and Walz that's what matters right now.

You smugly said Trump "only does that" to people of color. Elizabeth Warren is not. That's the "Okay, and?"

Mayhem

08-21-2024, 06:36 PM

Are you kidding me? She took a test to try and shut everyone up... then it turned out to be like 1%. I'm more African American than she is Native American.
Having said that, Trump said he’d pledge $1M to charity if she could prove she had Native America heritage, which the tests did show (albeit as you note, at least six generations back). Guess what though? Well, no surprise, Trump never donated the money.

It's only a vaccine because the very definition of the word was altered to call it as such.
//flips his 70s dictionary

Nope, looks the same to me.

Oh you mean the American dictionary Miriam Webster? The one we don’t use here. That, having Googled, swapped “immunity” for “immune response”, which is basically the same thing.

But I don’t want to live in a world where my life could be ruined or I could even be jailed just because I refuse to call someone else a “cat” because they identify as such. (Yes, that’s real. It’s called catgender.)
What I was getting at is that the Earth is one state, round. People aren’t just one state, or two states, but a multitude of states. Sure, most of them are one of two in particular, but not all.

What I will agree on is the above statement, although I’m not aware of anyone, at least here, of that happening to them.

Zulithe

08-21-2024, 11:53 PM

You smugly said Trump "only does that" to people of color. Elizabeth Warren is not. That's the "Okay, and?"

So you got nothing, got it.

Barkworm

08-22-2024, 12:59 AM

It seems like Kennedy is planning to end his presidential campaign in support of Trump which is excellent news for Trump. Most swing state polls I've seen looked much better for Harris when Kennedy was included.

Zulithe

08-22-2024, 04:06 AM

Kennedy running does hurt trump but it's hard to say how much, he's taking around 1% in some states and (optimistically) 3% or so in his strongest areas. Kennedy pulling out doesn't mean all of his votes go to Trump. A lot of those voters are never trumpers or aren't impressed with trump, that's why they wanted Kennedy instead.

Some of those Kennedy voters may even turn to Kamala. Though probably fewer than will choose to sit out or vote for Trump instead.

I of course hope he doesn't pull out but he and his running mate have been talking about it so probably gonna happen.

I'm not doom and gloom about this race though. It's clear to me which side has the momentum and the inspiration America needs.

This was a beautiful moment:
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Mayhem

08-22-2024, 04:25 AM

Yeah, I agree, all the Kennedy votes aren't auto Trump votes. They will be a mix of Trump, Kamala, or not voting at all.

Obama doing the crowd size fascination by Trump hand movement gesture was chef's kiss...

Zulithe

08-22-2024, 08:42 AM

Some more data pertaining to Kennedy

https://i.imgur.com/reoVz5U.png

Some data suggesting that him dropping out may help Kamala more. I don't think whoever he 'endorses' sways many people. People generally like to make up their own minds, not be told who to vote for.

My initial gut feeling is that him leaving the race helps trump slightly more than kamala, but it is not necessarily that cut and dry.

Andrew NDB

08-22-2024, 11:19 AM

It seems like Kennedy is planning to end his presidential campaign in support of Trump which is excellent news for Trump.

Not necessarily. At least prior to Harris hijacking the nomination there was a ton of democrat voters that were just going to throw their vote away for Kennedy. "I can't support Biden but at least he's not Trump!" and so on. If he drops out these people could just become non-voters, at best case.

ranger_scout

08-22-2024, 03:51 PM

Now that I have been away from Rangerboard.com for three months I’ve come to realization of how one-sided their moderators are when it comes to politics and how much they prefer the Biden/Harris administration no matter what inappropriate and vile things happened there. I brought up how last year the White House invited a transgender activist named Rose Montoya to a pride event where Montoya and other activists went topless on the South Lawn. The administration condemned the behavior, but it was only after the video went viral instead on the grounds the day it happened.

https://www.newsweek.com/topless-trans-woman-white-house-pride-outrage-1806151

Kamala Harris also invited and feted the drag queen Shangela to the White House and right now Shangela is facing multiple charges of sexual abuse.

https://nypost.com/2024/03/20/us-news/shangela-was-feted-by-kamala-harris/

I talked about these events in their election thread and they deleted the post and gave me an infraction.

Zulithe

08-22-2024, 05:06 PM

"hmm, a team of moderators decided to punish me for making these posts. Am I out of touch? No, it's Rangerboard.com that is wrong!"

:lol:

Maybe the first thing you should be asking yourself is that of all the potential things you could be trying to shine a light on, you cherry pick some transgender news items. Hmm. Seems to paint you in a certain light doesn't it?

I'm sure the WH did condemn the toplessness as reported, even though the videos I saw of it were mild compared to what you'd see at a typical public pride event.

As for the serial sex abuse... did you know that since the 1970s, at least 26 women have publicly accused Trump of rape, kissing, and groping without consent; looking under women's skirts; and walking in on naked teenage pageant contestants.

I dunno ranger_scout, do you think there is anyone on the Dem ticket who can stand toe-to-toe with those allegations? :lol:

Obviously Harris isn't going to condone any abusive behavior by anyone. A lot of people get invited to the WH -- A LOT. They aren't all gonna be made of gold. I mean heck, most of you Trump stans don't think Trump's many meetings with Epstein meant anything. You can believe that then I don't know what to tell you.

Mayhem

08-22-2024, 05:18 PM

Or the fact I posted last week, Trump is currently using one of Epstein’s old planes…

Also Walz is apparently an arsonist, burn baby burn :lol:

https://i.imgur.com/KdjxSzA.jpeg

FredWolfLeonardo

08-22-2024, 05:36 PM

The attacks against Walz are so pathethic, no one is convinced and it just makes Republician defenders look even more desperate.

When J.D. Vance was (satirically) accussed of having sex with a couch, he came back with such a lame comeback of accussing Walz of doing the same with a horse.

Trump and Vance are losing hard and Democrats will most likely have the last laugh. The fact that these jokes are getting under JD Vance's skin makes him look even worse.

ranger_scout

08-22-2024, 06:14 PM

Mayhem

08-22-2024, 06:23 PM

Trump is a sick man I won’t deny that, but why was I not allowed to talk about deviants like Rose Montoya and Shangela who were invited to the White House by Biden and Harris on that message board and receive an infraction for it?
I’m going to guess, based on couple of other places I’m part of, that sort of discussion, basically posting disagreement or hate, is not allowed. Obviously as I’m not a member I am only guessing here. Don’t like it? Well leave I guess…

ranger_scout

08-22-2024, 06:46 PM

I’m going to guess, based on couple of other places I’m part of, that sort of discussion, basically posting disagreement or hate, is not allowed. Obviously as I’m not a member I am only guessing here. Don’t like it? Well leave I guess…

I did leave that message board. There were other reasons for why I did. I had some good times on there, but it was getting too toxic and the moderators were becoming one-sided. Their actions were showing that they were not only on Harris’s side but Montoya and Shangela’s as well.

Cowabung-Gal

08-22-2024, 10:09 PM

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“You are not welcome here.” Yeah, communists tend to kick out people who challenge their views.

Also, they hate capitalism yet they are making profit off their books. Why don’t they just give those books away for free? You know, for the disenfranchised people they want to help? Oh, right, ‘cause they’re hypocrites.

FredWolfLeonardo

08-22-2024, 10:32 PM

Why don’t they just give those books away for free?

Because they see an opportunity, and are smart to take advantage of it.

Mayhem

08-23-2024, 03:20 AM

Joker: If you're good at something, why do it for free?

Which is basically most business people and politicians, let's face it, on all sides.

Andrew NDB

08-23-2024, 10:42 AM

Joker: If you're good at something, why do it for free?

Of course you would point to the Joker.

Zulithe

08-23-2024, 03:43 PM

https://x.com/Acyn/status/1827061967070359811

RFK JR: Kamala Harris declined to meet or even to speak with me

Yeah, nobody sane wants you or your nutjob ideas. Bye bye.

Andrew NDB

08-23-2024, 04:54 PM

Though to be fair, every interviewer, anywhere for the past 32 days: "Kamala won't return my calls."

FredWolfLeonardo

08-23-2024, 05:14 PM

https://x.com/Acyn/status/1827061967070359811

RFK JR: Kamala Harris declined to meet or even to speak with me

Yeah, nobody sane wants you or your nutjob ideas. Bye bye.

What did RFK jr think Kamala was going to gain by meeting him?

Mayhem

08-24-2024, 05:27 AM

What did RFK jr think Kamala was going to gain by meeting him?
I don’t know if that’s his reason for endorsing Trump, but I don’t think it’s going to influence matters muchly. 90% of the population is probabl6 already locked in for who they are voting for.

Andrew NDB

08-24-2024, 06:28 AM

It's less about what he had to gain by meeting her but what middle of the ground voters might think about Harris not even being willing to meet with him at all. If she won't even do that... then... Putin, etc..

Zulithe

08-24-2024, 12:46 PM

https://i.postimg.cc/mgK9pyYS/image0.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
https://i.postimg.cc/j54J5VG8/image0.jpg (https://postimg.cc/CBdKP2MD)
https://i.postimg.cc/FFGLX4bz/GVw-F8-8-W0-AAfot.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

history is a mutha

Zulithe

08-24-2024, 01:24 PM

Though to be fair, every interviewer, anywhere for the past 32 days: "Kamala won't return my calls."
To understand this you have to dive into the mindset of dems over the last 8 or 9 years. The media is HIGHLY complicit in boosting Trump. They report on his every word, it gets them massive ratings because people want to see what crazy batshit things he'll say or claim next. They want Trump as president cause it means big money for them.

They don't trust the media. They aren't an ally, they are only a tool to be used when her administration sees fit because their loyalties are to ratings and sensationalism. They misconstrue often for more clicks. On and on.

Right now Kamala, Walz and their campaign are touring, and I think they will be engaging with the media a lot more closer to the election when they can more tightly control the narrative they that is being funneled through them. And ya know, Kamala was kind of thrown into this race not fully prepared with an agenda, I think another big part of this is she's still finalizing her agenda so talking to the media about it will work better further down the road.

Lastly, she's already proven she can get huge support without the help of the media. That's power right there.

Cowabung-Gal

08-24-2024, 02:50 PM

Lastly, she's already proven she can get huge support without the help of the media. That's power right there.

Well, yeah, just mention that Trump’s the other guy and people will automatically flock to her, even though a lot of them can’t name one policy of hers that they agree with, which she is never clear on anyway and is constantly flip flopping on them.

“Why Kamala?”
“She’s not Trump.”

“Why Ron Paul?”
“He’s not Trump.”

“Why Hitler’s clone?”
“He’s not Trump.”

And she wasn’t even that popular to begin with and hardly anyone liked her even in the Democratic Party until Biden dropped out, and suddenly she’s the wonderful goddess who can do no wrong.

Zulithe

08-24-2024, 05:38 PM

She does need to talk more about policy but she has been starting.

https://www.thecut.com/article/what-are-kamala-harris-policies.html

You are right though, not being Trump is automatically a huge win for her for most people. That's on Trump though, he chooses to be divisive. He has a long record of that so we know it will only continue. At nearly 80yo he's not changing his tune at this point in life.

I voted for Kamala in 2016 when she was running for Senate in California. And then I voted for Biden/Kamala in 2020. Supporting her is nothing new for me. I'm not a hardcore democrat I prefer to think of myself as independent as I've voted for other parties in the past. But I won't be voting for Trump or any of his supporters.

I used to watch The Apprentice, I think he can work as an entertainer but absolutely not as a politician.

Andrew NDB

08-24-2024, 11:57 PM

Supporting her is nothing new for me. I'm not a hardcore democrat I prefer to think of myself as independent

Just based on her pre-existing policies it isn't difficult to discern that Kamala is the farthest left, most extreme presidential candidate nominee we've ever seen. If you're voting for her you are absolutely a "hardcore democrat."

ZariusTwo

08-25-2024, 01:50 AM

Lastly, she's already proven she can get huge support without the help of the media

'Inclusive' dips*its with no real political education on social media?

Andrew NDB

08-25-2024, 03:30 AM

Here is her policies. Because she won't say them... at least until after the election.

https://kamala2024policies.com/

Mayhem

08-25-2024, 08:29 AM

Here is her policies. Because she won't say them... at least until after the election.

https://kamala2024policies.com/
Can't be that official, I can't see it... spoof site then.

CyberCubed

08-25-2024, 01:34 PM

I think Kamala will win because even aside from Trump, she's coming at "the right time in history."

She's a female without the baggage Hilary Clinton had and people are finally ready for a female president. She's both black AND Indian, making her a double minority. A woman of color being in one of the most powerful positions of the world in the 2020's is exactly what people are expecting of the modern world. People don't want crusty old white men anymore, they want strong powerful women (and being non-white is a bonus), to usher in the new world.

If this was 10-15 years ago I'd say no, but everything is basically lined up for her to win.

Cowabung-Gal

08-25-2024, 01:53 PM

She's a female without the baggage Hilary Clinton had and people are finally ready for a female president. She's both black AND Indian, making her a double minority. A woman of color being in one of the most powerful positions of the world in the 2020's is exactly what people are expecting of the modern world. People don't want crusty old white men anymore, they want strong powerful women (and being non-white is a bonus), to usher in the new world.

If that’s the case, why would these same people object to Candace Owens running for office if she ever decided to? She’s even younger than Kamala, she’s a strong woman, and she is black. All of the boxes are checked, aren’t they? Oh, right, they hate Candace Owens because she doesn’t kneel at the altar of woke and stupid. It doesn’t matter that she’s a strong female “POC” (sheesh that category is so degrading to other races). She leans right and that automatically disqualifies her from their perspective.

That’s also why they chose to re-elect Gavin Newsom, a white man, and rejected Larry Elder, a black man, during the recall election in California. And of course their antisemitism made them pick a crusty old white man, Waltz, over the Jewish guy, Shapiro, for Vice President.

Truth is they’ll pick the pastiest and most Establishment guy of the lot if they think it’ll keep the right-wingers and Jews out of office.

Zulithe

08-26-2024, 08:40 AM

https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2024/08/26/scoop-the-secret-debate-about-the-trump-harris-debate-00176296

“We have told ABC and other networks seeking to host a possible October debate that we believe both candidates’ mics should be live throughout the full broadcast,” BRIAN FALLON, the Harris campaign’s senior adviser for communications, told Playbook in a text message last night, confirming our reporting. “Our understanding is that Trump’s handlers prefer the muted microphone because they don’t think their candidate can act presidential for 90 minutes on his own. We suspect Trump’s team has not even told their boss about this dispute because it would be too embarrassing to admit they don’t think he can handle himself against Vice President Harris without the benefit of a mute button.”

That's if Trump doesn't back out of the debates completely, which his recent posts seem to indicate he very much wants to!

And that liar Tim Walz can't keep getting away with it:
https://i.postimg.cc/zfYDR6Z1/image.png (https://postimg.cc/G4znWMmM)

TMNT is cooler than MOTU

08-26-2024, 11:34 AM

Truth is they’ll pick the pastiest and most Establishment guy of the lot if they think it’ll keep the right-wingers and Jews out of office.

Which they should be.

FredWolfLeonardo

08-26-2024, 08:36 PM

Trump said he will be good for reproductive rights. Big mistake.

The anti-abortion people who form a critical part of his base won't be happy with his statement, and the pro-choice people who will vote Democrat won't buy what Trump is saying either.

This is a lose-lose situation that won't earn him any new votes. I love Trump and I will never support the Democrats but the Trump 2024 campaign sucks.

Cowabung-Gal

08-26-2024, 08:51 PM

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“Hey, look at us! We’re buying Door-ee-dohs at a Sheez in Pittsburgh! We are so down-to-earth!”

If she’s trying to show that she can connect with regular folk, why doesn’t she buy a bag of Doritos at a Shell gas station in Memphis?

Also it should be noted that the Biden-Harris Department of Justice sued Sheez Inc back in May because they refused to hire minorities who were convicted criminals, claiming that it was discrimination.

Look, all politicians on both sides do this every election year, from kissing babies to buying snacks at gas stations, but this was…cringy.

Zulithe

08-27-2024, 12:28 AM

Oooo she like Doritos like the rest of us, what a scandal!

Meanwhile JD Vance:

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Cowabung-Gal

08-27-2024, 12:51 AM

Oooo she like Doritos like the rest of us, what a scandal!

Or does she…? If she can’t even pronounce it right, how do we know she even eats it on a regular basis? Though to be fair, for a while I mispronounced wafers even though I love eating them. But I’m not giving a disingenuous politician who’s pretending to be down-to-earth to win more votes (that applies to Republicans too) the benefit of a doubt, and neither should you. And the whole thing was clearly scripted, like Kamala’s space video with the child actors.

Mayhem

08-27-2024, 04:03 AM

Trump said he will be good for reproductive rights. Big mistake.
Yeah, considering he was the one who stacked the Supreme Court in order to overturn Roe vs Wade, I agree, no one is going to buy this statement.

Oooo she like Doritos like the rest of us, what a scandal! Meanwhile JD Vance:
Hah, if you hadn't posted it in response, I was going to :lol:

Andrew NDB

08-27-2024, 10:14 AM

But "reproductive rights" for who? Trump sent it back to the states. Don't want abortion in your state? Vote accordingly in your state. Or if you do want it, same thing. It was like the most democratic thing he could do for abortion, but the senate did it all on their own.

Mayhem

08-27-2024, 04:17 PM

But "reproductive rights" for who?
Women. And only women. They are basically having the right to control their own bodies curbed here, and no amount of voting in certain states is going to do anything about it. Doubly so where there are no exceptions, not even for health, rape or incest reasons. Imagine if women had passed a law stating all men had to get vasectomies after they’d had two kids, a lot of people would all be up in arms I’m sure. That’s how it basically sticks two fingers up to millions of women in the same way.

Cowabung-Gal

08-27-2024, 04:21 PM

Women. And only women.

But what is a woman?

ranger_scout

08-27-2024, 07:53 PM

Harris is sitting down for her first campaign interview at CNN on Thursday, but she’s too afraid to do it alone, so she will be having Tim Walz joining her.

https://www.axios.com/2024/08/27/harris-walz-cnn-first-interview

Bahamut810

08-27-2024, 10:22 PM

But what is a woman?

Why are you on about that? In the context of the current conversation I dont think Mayhem has not made any claims that anyone other then a woman would need an abortion.

Cowabung-Gal

08-27-2024, 11:01 PM

Why are you on about that? In the context of the current conversation I dont think Mayhem has not made any claims that anyone other then a woman would need an abortion.

Again, what exactly is a woman?

Also, according to Planned Parenthood, men can get pregnant, so shouldn’t they be able to get an abortion too? Why should that right be limited to “only women”?

Bahamut810

08-27-2024, 11:34 PM

Again, what exactly is a woman?

Also, according to Planned Parenthood, men can get pregnant, so shouldn’t they be able to get an abortion too? Why should that right be limited to “only women”?

A woman is an adult human female. Trans-men are women according to the definition. Planned parenthood is being stupid. Gender ideologists try to go back and forth with how to use sex and gender (hence Trans-gender is that sex language).

Again...At least in this conversation I don't think anyone has tried to make that argument so bringing it up is pointless in a conversation where there are so many more legit points that could be made.

Zulithe

08-27-2024, 11:52 PM

More indictments for Trump

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/08/27/trump-indicted-2020-election-subversion-00176503

A federal grand jury in Washington, D.C. has reindicted Donald Trump on four felony charges related to his effort to subvert the 2020 presidential election.

The reason Trump wants to be President again so badly is to shield him from legal problems. We all know he'll be golfing most of his Presidency if he were to win, with the rest of the time complaining on social media and using his Presidential powers to protect him from legal consequences of his actions.

I honestly want some of you Rs to seriously think about how you'd feel if it had been a Democrat president doing what Trump and his supporters did on Jan 6th.

Voting for Trump makes you such a sucker :D

Oh, and you know another thing I love about Kamala... she doesn't spend every waking moment she can golfing.

Cowabung-Gal

08-28-2024, 12:14 AM

Voting for Trump makes you such a sucker :D

Voting for either Trump or Harris makes you a sucker. :roll:

Again, Congress holds the real power, not those figureheads you worship. Trump, as stubborn and loud as he was, didn’t change the system while he was in office, and neither will Harris.

Local and state elections are more important than federal elections. That’s where the real change starts.

FredWolfLeonardo

08-28-2024, 12:24 AM

Voting for either Trump or Harris makes you a sucker. :roll:

I don't think I agree. As much as I am critical of Trump for not being Far-Right enough, I don't think it's fair to call any Trump voter a sucker when the alternative is a complete Liberal Dystopia.

Yes, the system sucks and is completely rigged in favour of bankers and special interests, but you have to work within the system out of pragmatism if you wish to destroy it.

The reason Trump wants to be President again so badly is to shield him from legal problems.

That is a smart thing to do, especially if he's going to be a dictator for day one.

But if he loses, he's screwed. Imagine the legal problems he'll go through in the event of January 6th the sequel.

Bahamut810

08-28-2024, 12:38 AM

I honestly want some of you Rs to seriously think about how you'd feel if it had been a Democrat president doing what Trump and his supporters did on Jan 6th.

Not even a republican but...

There was one. CHAZ, the Capital Hill Autonomous Zone. Where BLM invaded American soil, ejected the local government, laid siege to a federal courthouse, stole from and destroyed a police station, set up a crappy government that changed half way though that engaged in segregation and created an environment where crime was rampant (including robbery, rape, shake downs of local businesses and murder) while violating peoples right to report on it all (multiple instances where they stole cameras of people trying to report on the issue, one of which they live streamed that they did it specifically to control what news came out of CHAZ) among other rights. This was championed by Democrats nationwide, including the local government till there was a very publicized murder of two kids taking a joyride. This happened for nearly a month.

I consider this at least as bad as Jan 6th were people interrupted the presidential election preceding and invaded the capital building for 4 hours.

ZariusTwo

08-28-2024, 01:55 AM

I honestly want some of you Rs to seriously think about how you'd feel if it had been a Democrat president doing what Trump and his supporters did on Jan 6th

Dems do far worse than Jan 6th every day in office judging by how incompetent they handle their influence in other war-torn countries.

Oh, and you know another thing I love about Kamala... she doesn't spend every waking moment she can golfing.

She doesn't spend every waking moment doing anything of note in this election either

Zulithe

08-28-2024, 03:42 AM

Not even a republican but...

There was one. CHAZ, the Capital Hill Autonomous Zone. Where BLM invaded American soil, ejected the local government, laid siege to a federal courthouse, stole from and destroyed a police station, set up a crappy government that changed half way though that engaged in segregation and created an environment where crime was rampant (including robbery, rape, shake downs of local businesses and murder) while violating peoples right to report on it all (multiple instances where they stole cameras of people trying to report on the issue, one of which they live streamed that they did it specifically to control what news came out of CHAZ) among other rights. This was championed by Democrats nationwide, including the local government till there was a very publicized murder of two kids taking a joyride. This happened for nearly a month.

I consider this at least as bad as Jan 6th were people interrupted the presidential election preceding and invaded the capital building for 4 hours.
That was a protest against police brutality. And was not spearheaded by a sitting American President. CHAZ will be a footnote in American history books at best, barely mentioned in the chapter detailing the aftermath of the killing of George Floyd. Jan 6th is right up there with things like Watergate and will be taught forever. Have some perspective.
Dems do far worse than Jan 6th every day in office judging by how incompetent they handle their influence in other war-torn countries.
Cool, give me some examples. You think any American presence in a foreign land is representative of Democrats alone? Which party do you think keeps pushing the hardest for us to increase our military spending? The biden admin will take the most blame for all the wars we are currently involved in just like past presidents have. Careful not to forget the Bush administration and all the warring that took place during that, a lot of which could have been avoided entirely.
She doesn't spend every waking moment doing anything of note in this election either
Cool, baseless, dismissive and wrong, but cool.

Mayhem

08-28-2024, 04:00 AM

Given I don't browse the site, I had no idea Planned Parenthood list men on there re abortions? Well, I'll revise my previous point, anyone with a womb then, or could get pregnant.

Bahamut810

08-28-2024, 04:10 AM

That was a protest against police brutality. And was not spearheaded by a sitting American President. CHAZ will be a footnote in American history books at best, barely mentioned in the chapter detailing the aftermath of the killing of George Floyd. Jan 6th is right up there with things like Watergate and will be taught forever. Have some perspective.

Jan 6th was a protest against a corrupt government, you can make any protest sound horrible or great depending on how you talk about it.

The BLM riots were celebrated and Urged on by the Democratic party and large parts of the media (a peaceful but Fiery protest!) by and large, and even the democratic government of Seattle (where it happened) was all about it until murders of children happened. It does not matter what the writers of History books might write about.

You wanted something akin to Jan 6th, and I gave you a months worth a treason Democrats treated with kid gloves and headpat's. I didn't even get into George Floyd Square or The Red house which were two more Autonomous Zones that sprung up with similar problems. All celebrated by Democrats.

Zulithe

08-28-2024, 05:06 AM

Jan 6th was a protest against a corrupt government
Wrong. Trump lied to his supporters to get them to try to force an election change. 100% lies. Trump has had four years to prove the election was stolen from him. He can't prove what isn't true, so he can't. It's a laughing stock. Don't try to make it sound like some sort of noble thing. I'm done with people trying to paint Trump as anything other than what he is: a con man.

I'm not saying CHAZ was a desirable development during the protests of that time. But I do think one was clearly worse. I really don't take kindly to anyone basically saying, "but what about BLM!" during this election cycle--a movement that had stumbles but was striving for good. At the end of the day... we have two possible outcomes. Trump wins or Kamala wins. There is one that I absolutely think would be a repeat disaster for our country, THAT is my focus and I'm not about to get sidetracked with "whataboutisms."

In more "Trump scams his own supporters" news, Trump selling digital trading cards of himself for 99 dollars EACH.

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Mayhem

08-28-2024, 05:41 AM

I was just about to post that as well, the grift goes on with digital cards with bonus... buy 15 get a physical card, woo! :lol::roll:

https://x.com/adamparkhomenko/status/1828451144508600491?s=46&t=1vOayOgbNHsIzdRnKc5HSg

Zulithe

08-28-2024, 06:09 AM

And another thing @Bahamut810... when I asked what if the table were turned and a group of Dems and their president did Jan 6th instead of Trump supporters... your response was "well what about CHAZ"

As if everyone involved in CHAZ were a supporter of the Democratic party. Do you know how ridiculous you sound making this argument? Some people just hate cops and want to organize against them, doesn't make them democrats. Some people are anarchists, doesn't make them democrats. Some of them hate the Democratic party as much as any other. Many of them are non voters.

Do you know that nearly 50% of all eligable Americans do not vote? So you basically have (very rough estimates here) 25% of eligible voters voting Democrat, 25% voting Republican, and 50% not voting for anything. That's a heck of a lot of extra people who could be members of Antifa, or BLM, or any other group doing their own thing that's separate from the two big sides.

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Barkworm

08-28-2024, 10:29 AM

Jan 6th was a protest against a corrupt government

Wait, what? How do you guys even make this stuff up?

Mayhem

08-28-2024, 10:37 AM

Wait, what? How do you guys even make this stuff up?
Well it was... remember, Trump was still in power at that point, he didn't leave office until the 20th. So it was a protest against the corrupt Trump regime of the past four years, QED! :lol:

Andrew NDB

08-28-2024, 11:51 AM

Jan 6th was a protest against a corrupt government

Wait, what? How do you guys even make this stuff up?

Would you prefer, more precisely, "a semi-raucous group of people unhappy about the election result largely let into the capitol building by authorities who then proceeded to go around, posing and taking selfies in offices"?

Mayhem

08-28-2024, 12:12 PM

Trump staff say screw you rules and cemetery staff… another huge surprise…

https://www.npr.org/2024/08/27/nx-s1-5091154/trump-arlington-cemetery?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR25spq-p-EYVBsp1phlxalRx0wUUYwolYjcHOPtTXEppU1_OAC9pYgFQWg_ aem_yii0SAgqcgOxcQ0ZIng0Kw

Barkworm

08-28-2024, 12:25 PM

Would you prefer, more precisely, "a semi-raucous group of people unhappy about the election result largely let into the capitol building by authorities who then proceeded to go around, posing and taking selfies in offices"?
There‘s just one apt description: Large group of gullible half-wits, who foolishly bought the misinformation of a wannabe autocrat but were - fortunately - way too stupid to get much done.

Bahamut810

08-28-2024, 12:45 PM

Wrong. Trump lied to his supporters to get them to try to force an election change. 100% lies. Trump has had four years to prove the election was stolen from him. He can't prove what isn't true, so he can't. It's a laughing stock. Don't try to make it sound like some sort of noble thing. I'm done with people trying to paint Trump as anything other than what he is: a con man.

I'm not saying CHAZ was a desirable development during the protests of that time. But I do think one was clearly worse. I really don't take kindly to anyone basically saying, "but what about BLM!" during this election cycle--a movement that had stumbles but was striving for good. At the end of the day... we have two possible outcomes. Trump wins or Kamala wins. There is one that I absolutely think would be a repeat disaster for our country, THAT is my focus and I'm not about to get sidetracked with "whataboutisms."

If you are going to quote me use my entire quote. You forgot the " you can make any protest sound horrible or great depending on how you talk about it" part. As in you are trying to make CHAZ seem not as bad in comparison. I agree they were protesting the election itself. You are trying to paint the BLM riots about "police brutality" to justify the treason you are trying to say never happened when it was just an unfocused rage that hurt people and caused a left wing Facist group to try to steal American land. Its not 'what-about-ism' its giving you an example you are claiming does not exist.

To be clear. I don't like Trump. I don't like Harris. BLM (regardless of the few edge-lord anarchists) was supported by Democrats and if/when their supporters vote, its for democrats. You trying to paint the Democrats as not having issues they obviously have and deny actions they very obviously did is very disingenuous.

Well it was... remember, Trump was still in power at that point, he didn't leave office until the 20th. So it was a protest against the corrupt Trump regime of the past four years, QED!

Yeah, your government threatened to try to extradite citizens from other countries over hurt feefee's so you talking about corruption...yeah.