The 2024 presidential election

[Coola Yagami]

So like... who is the independent third party? I haven't even heard anything from their end. I remember back in the day Ross Perot was everywhere, despite being the third party, but it seems nowadays that person is non-existent or just doesn't bother anymore.

Honestly we need some super charismatic guy to run for third party. The choices we got can't seriously be the only choices we can vote for.

[Barkworm]

https://i.imgur.com/jkfRxkV.png

Yup... I know that feeling. Sucks doesn't it.

The electoral college is one of the reasons why the US cannot be considered a real democracy.

[Andrew NDB]

So like... who is the independent third party?

RFK, Jr. was. But the democrat party effectively blocked him from participating in not just any meaningful way, but really in any way at all. That's why he bowed out and threw his support behind Trump.

And the democrat party believes in democracy so much, they won't remove his name from key swing states even though he's dropped out, in the hopes that uninformed independents or republicans who don't like Trump will throw their vote away on him. This, and yet there is democratic candidates who DID want to be on the ballot but were bribed to get off of it, so as not to interfere with getting Biden the nomination. And then they dumped Biden and installed Kamala, without any votes whatsoever anyway.

Yeah, definitely that's the party that's interested in protecting democracy.

[Zulithe]

Women are having their photos stolen and used to promote Trump in fake MAGA accounts around the internet.

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So few women support Trump that his cultists have to roleplay as women online about it.

[Andrew NDB]

Women are having their photos stolen and used to promote Trump in fake MAGA accounts around the internet.

So few women support Trump that his cultists have to roleplay as women online about it.

Whatever makes you feel better at night.

[Zulithe]

Whatever makes you feel better at night.
I bet the women having their likenesses stolen and used against their will aren't sleeping very well about it. It's not just a few, there's dozens and probably more to be found.

Anyway, I'll try to cool it on my posting in this thread. It's cutting into my productivity :lol: It's clear to us all who here supports what out of the posters here, and no minds are being changed. I'll chime in on any noteworthy developments though!

I'm ready for this election to get rolling.

[Mayhem]

RFK, Jr. was. But the democrat party effectively blocked him from participating in not just any meaningful way, but really in any way at all. That's why he bowed out and threw his support behind Trump.
No, it's because, according to his brother, he wanted a position in the Democrat government post election in exchange for his support, they didn't respond, so he's supporting Trump in the same vain hope of obtaining similar.

Whatever makes you feel better at night.
So you'd be fine if people took your identity and photos online, and posted all over social media you're hot for Kamala and it's Dems all the way for 2024? If you say you wouldn't care, and those posts then dissolve into clickbait scams (which often happens especially on FB) then I think you might when people start calling you out for it...

[ranger_scout]

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Her interview with CNN last night was a complete failure and shows that she is not only incapable of being president but vice president as well.

In other news Hollywood and film festivals are making an 11th hour attempt to prevent Trump from beating Harris by releasing a biopic of him, which shows him in a negative light. I know he is a jerk and a scumbag, but if a film was ever made about Kamala Harris where all of her failures and gaffes were brought up elite Hollywood was of course pan it in every way imaginable because they are always on her side.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/trump-film-the-apprentice-release-date-awards-campaign-1235984424/

[Andrew NDB]

Her interview with CNN last night was a complete failure and shows that she is not only incapable of being president but vice president as well.

No kidding.

"What will you do on day 1?"

"Well, what you SEE is... in reference to the plight of middle class... well now in regards to this, in regards to that... respective to the past decade... and as a woman, in terms of this and in terms of that."

She didn't have an answer. For ANYTHING. And she kept complaining about "this past decade," of which MOST of which had a democrat president at the top.

[Zulithe]

:) It's Friday! Hope you are all gonna have a good weekend!

Don't struggle getting to sleep at night just because Kamala is leading in the polls, I'm sure it's just a phase! :o

Hey Andrew, just wondering how you manage to cope living in such a blue area. Must be driving you crazy. You should vote with your wallet and move somewhere red. See how that treats you.

Love how the press pushes Kamala HARD on questions, and her opponents want very solid and specific answers to every policy question, meanwhile Trump just replies "how am I gonna get it done? you vote for me, that's how" and people just roll with it :lol: That was literally his reply to a question recently. Media always handling him with kid gloves.

[Andrew NDB]

Yayyy!! I'm still on a Kamala sugar high! I saw her "performance" during the interview, plugged my ears and went, "LALALALALALA!" and felt such JOY!

Yeah, that's pretty much what I figured.

[Zulithe]

Yeah, that's pretty much what I figured.
Hey man, putting words in my mouth -- not cool!

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/kamala-harris-trump-walz-election-b2604407.html

[Cowabung-Gal]

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https://i0.wp.com/politicallyincorrecthumor.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/x-cohen-before-deciding-government-should-have-specific-power-some-point.jpg?w=533&ssl=1

[Zulithe]

A specific power... you mean like deciding what you can or can't do with your own body? :o :o :o

You're right, I don't want them to be deciding that! Nor do I want them deciding about other people's bodies either.

[Cowabung-Gal]

A specific power... you mean like deciding what you can or can't do with your own body? :o :o :o.

Or imposing national price controls on food and groceries.

Yeah, you’re getting it.

https://y.yarn.co/8ac13a77-b132-45cb-862c-75d8ecdae5b4_text.gif

[Mayhem]

Or imposing national price controls on food and groceries.

Yeah, you’re getting it.

https://y.yarn.co/8ac13a77-b132-45cb-862c-75d8ecdae5b4_text.gif
It’s recently came out, no surprise to anyone, the major chains have been profiteering over the inflation skyrocket, so if the Government wants to cap lower what prices can go up by… all better for it.

[Andrew NDB]

It’s recently came out, no surprise to anyone, the major chains have been profiteering over the inflation skyrocket,

Not at all. The profit threshold at pretty much any grocery store is about 1-2%, or less. Sometimes much less, depending on the product. Look it up. Contrary to what people have lied to you about or what you want to believe, there isn't like a conglomerate of business executives for Safeway, Ralph's, Kroger and Hello Fresh getting together in dark office buildings to figure out how to gouge everybody (and that somehow only started doing so when Biden took office).

[Zulithe]

Not at all. The profit threshold at pretty much any grocery store is about 1-2%, or less. Sometimes much less, depending on the product. Look it up. Contrary to what people have lied to you about or what you want to believe, there isn't like a conglomerate of business executives for Safeway, Ralph's, Kroger and Hello Fresh getting together in dark office buildings to figure out how to gouge everybody (and that somehow only started doing so when Biden took office).
Where are you getting your "information" cause it sounds like you looked in a 50 year old history book. I'm having my doubts that you even consume food.

https://www.newsweek.com/kroger-executive-admits-company-gouged-prices-above-inflation-1945742

Food has skyrocketed, and above inflation, in pretty much every category, at every restaurant, at every supermarket, most notably since 2020 (covid19 pandemic)

Literally everyone has been complaining about this for years. But now that Harris has it as a platform, all the sudden it's not a problem "for some." :lol:

[Cowabung-Gal]

It’s recently came out, no surprise to anyone, the major chains have been profiteering over the inflation skyrocket, so if the Government wants to cap lower what prices can go up by… all better for it.

Great plan! Except it would lead to empty store shelves and everyone would be left even worse off than before.

https://fee.org/articles/if-you-hate-empty-store-shelves-you-should-love-price-gouging/

https://www.hudson.org/economics/empty-grocery-shelves-courtesy-of-price-controls

[Andrew NDB]

Food has skyrocketed, and above inflation, in pretty much every category, at every restaurant, at every supermarket

Though it's not JUST inflation. There have been supply chain issues, though it all ripples back from the same source: the same people who simultaneously are saying there isn't a problem but come inauguration day, they'll fix it anyway.

most notably since 2020 (covid19 pandemic)

So since the Biden administration.

[ranger_scout]

A New York Times columnist called the CNN interview that Harris did with Walz, “vague” and “vacuous”.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/ny-times-columnist-says-vague-vacuous-kamala-harris-interview-did-not-help-her

[Barkworm]

It's the wrong link.

But yeah, the interview wasn't all that enlightening. The most interesting part to me was when she said that she'd appoint a Republican to her cabinet but that too was very vague.

Also, let's be real about the polls: Harris is clearly in the lead but so was Hillary. It all means nothing if you're not leading in the right places.

[Mayhem]

So since the Biden administration.
Who was president in 2020 and oversaw the worst COVID response initiative world wide? I’m listening, I’ll wait… not just on this administration.

[ranger_scout]

It's the wrong link.



Thanks. I just posted the correct one.

[Zulithe]

A New York Times columnist called the CNN interview that Harris did with Walz, “vague” and “vacuous”.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/ny-times-columnist-says-vague-vacuous-kamala-harris-interview-did-not-help-her
Cool, well I'd love to hear what they have to say about Trump's policy comments :lol: A stable genius who plays 5D chess right? We can just look right at his days in office to see what an incredible genius he is capable of being.

The media handles trump with kid gloves, but they treat Kamala like a REAL Presidential candidate. That tells you everything.

I think her interview with CNN was perfectly fine. She doesn't have to blow the roof off to be comfortably ahead of Trump in her capability.

Trump fans... don't forget to buy your $99 digital trump trading cards while they are still available. Your grandchildren are going to love these.

[Zulithe]

I'd love to hear what you Trump voters think about his flip flopping position on abortion. He helped get roe v. wade overturned and now he wants to flip the other direction.

https://dnyuz.com/2024/08/31/trump-contorts-himself-on-abortion-in-search-of-political-gain/

"“My Administration,” he wrote, “will be great for women and their reproductive rights.”

That must have some republicans doubling over with chest pain.

I'll just be clear on where I stand. Abortion isn't a fun topic to think about. But it absolutely should not be up to individual states to decide what people can or can not do with their bodies in this way. It makes no sense. People need to stay out of other people's business. I don't care what your religious opinions are. You don't get to impose those on other people. Keep it to yourself.

[Andrew NDB]

Who was president in 2020 and oversaw the worst COVID response initiative world wide? I’m listening, I’ll wait… not just on this administration.

Way more died under Biden' watch than Trump's. And what were the mistakes, exactly?

[FredWolfLeonardo]

I'd love to hear what you Trump voters think about his flip flopping position on abortion. He helped get roe v. wade overturned and now he wants to flip the other direction.

His flip flops are terrible politically. As an ant-abortion person, I think his flip flopping is gonna cost him big time.

No one who is pro-choice is gonna find Trump's statements on abortion convincing. He should've just stuck to his Evangelical base instead of giving them a new reason not to vote.

[Cowabung-Gal]

The media handles trump with kid hands, but they treat Kamala like a REAL Presidential candidate.

And how’s that going for her?

And they “handle Trump with kid hands”? They’ve been trying to crucify him since day one. They’re the reason people will automatically wet themselves and go into fetal position at the sight of Trump, like he’s the devil incarnate.

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By the way, if Kamala’s so wonderful, why didn’t you vote for her in the primary?

[Andrew NDB]

And they “handle Trump with kid hands”?

Yeah, that's probably the funniest thing I've read in a while.

[Zulithe]

I meant "kid gloves" my slip-up, but it's a common phrase. It's often used to describe how the media doesn't grill him on issues and just lets him say whatever he wants unchallenged in interviews. You can find it spoken all across the internet.

And which primary do you mean? I technically voted for her twice already, soon three. Do I literally have to vote for her in every single election to be considered a supporter? I'm not one for purity tests. Look at Trump's wikipedia page and look how many times he's changed political parties. Maybe republicans shouldn't vote for him since he hasn't always been a republican, and in fact has changed back and forth MULTIPLE times. But that's not an argument I would ever make, you see? I see every single election as a new starting point. Support who you think will do the best job at that given moment. loyalty doesn't buy anything.

And just because I strongly prefer her to Trump (and also Walz to Vance) doesn't mean I have to believe she is infallible. That's not how it works. If you only voted for someone you always agreed with, and who never made any mistakes, you probably would never vote for anyone ever, don't you agree?

[Andrew NDB]

I meant "kid gloves" my slip-up, but it's a common phrase.

Oh, I know what you meant and wasn't referring to the slip-up. Still hilarious.

[Cowabung-Gal]

And which primary do you mean?

The one that got her the 2024 Democratic presidential nomination. How many people voted for her? Were you included in that number?

[Zulithe]

I didn't vote in any primaries since it was assumed Biden would be the pick anyway. The other candidates withdrew, and with Kamala being VP she became the default, and she wanted to run anyway. I'm not sure what you are getting at with this questioning.

There are a hell of a lot of republicans who just fall in line and vote for Trump even though he is far from their #1 pick on a personal level. Works the same on the Dem side. I wanted Bernie in 2016 and 2020 and I voted for him in those primaries. I like his policies but I'm glad he had no intention to run again. He's not the ideal candidate to go against Trump in my mind. Also I think we need younger presidents who are more in touch with the majority. While I still think Bernie is with it more than 99% of people his age, 82 is really pushing it to put up with all the stress of being a President in my mind.

[Cowabung-Gal]

I'm not sure what you are getting at with this questioning.

My point is, the people did not vote for her, yet somehow she “won” the nomination. How is that democratic? It isn’t. She wasn’t on any primary ballot and the people weren’t given the choice to nominate her, so what’s the Democrats’ message to the people with this rather undemocratic process, that the oligarchs could just install whoever they want and democracy doesn’t exist at all in this country? “We must defend democracy”. What democracy?

https://theconversation.com/democratic-partys-choice-of-harris-was-undemocratic-and-the-latest-evidence-of-party-leaders-distrusting-party-voters-236002

Even Gavin Newsom joked about the process. Kamala winning the election this year would ruin his chances of winning the primaries in 2028, so he’s a little bitter about this, no doubt.

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[Zulithe]

Her becoming the nominee is generally want most dems wanted given the circumstances. Biden's late dropout didn't give time for a long process anyway and everyone knew it. This seems to be a thing republicans are complaining about and not many dems are complaining about, which tells you everything you need to know. It's our candidate not yours, so why does it bug you so much how they were picked. Show me a large number of dems upset that they didn't get to primary anyone else for this year's candidate.

I don't think Gavin is the best person to ask about this since he definitely would have liked to run if he had the time, so he's probably not the happiest about it. Voters though are generally fine with it from all the conversations and reading I've been doing. I think a lot of people are finally ready to have our very first woman president too, so it's a moment in time and history that is just coalescing around certain feelings and ideas about what we want for the future, Kamala was a good fit.

Kamala being the current sitting VP means she was already #2 in line anyway, it's not surprising or shocking to anyone. If we absolutely did not ever want her to be president, we would have rejected her at the voting booth when she was running for VP (hint: something you republicans should be doing to Vance)

[Zulithe]

They're upset because they were winning against Biden and now it looks like they might lose.
Oh I know, they are shaking in their boots.

Losing to a woman, and a woman of color at that, is like their nightmare scenario :lol:

Let's not get it twisted though. People who are wanting to vote for Kamala are KEENLY aware that Kamala is at distinct disadvantages. 1 for being a woman, and 2 for being non-white, two things that have traditionally made it much harder to become president. It is a lot to overcome. So when you see the enthusiasm behind Kamala, it's very impressive, much more impressive than it would be if it were a white male candidate.

[Cowabung-Gal]

Her becoming the nominee is generally want most dems wanted given the circumstances.

You sure about that?

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023/09/the-case-for-biden-to-drop-kamala-harris.html

And that was just last year.

Biden's late dropout didn't give time for a long process anyway and everyone knew it. This seems to be a thing republicans are complaining about and not many dems are complaining about, which tells you everything you need to know.


Why so late though? They knew for years about Biden’s cognitive decline, even though they kept gaslighting the public about his being “sharp as a tack”, and only those who weren’t paying attention at all or were in total denial would agree with everything they said. They had plenty of time to go through the democratic process of electing a new candidate, well before Biden’s last debate with Trump when he made a total mockery of himself, and only then did the Democrats pressure him to drop out. They wanted to keep up the Emperor’s New Clothes facade for as long as they could because they didn’t want to admit that the current “leader of the free world” was a bumbling vegetable. And the Democrats aren’t complaining about it because they think the People are unthinking sheep who will just go with the program without asking questions since they don’t want to get eaten by the Big Bad Orange Wolf.

It's our candidate not yours, so why does it bug you so much how they were picked.

No, it is their candidate, not yours. And it bugs me because it’s totally undemocratic and no different than a dictator letting their successors automatically take over, despite the media’s obsession with Trump’s “dictator” remark.

You know what this reminds me of? Putin’s rise to power. Following President Boris Yeltsin’s resignation in 1999, Putin became acting president and was elected to his first term as president in less than four months. And Putin’s another right-wing fascist that the Left despises right?

I think a lot of people are finally ready to have our very first woman president too, so it's a moment in time and history that is just coalescing around certain feelings and ideas about what we want for the future, Kamala was a good fit.

Oh goody, the next president will have a c**chie! As a woman, myself, I’m ashamed to be an American right now. Is that all you people ever care about? A person’s skin color and their genitals, and not their policies? That’s kinda shallow, don’t you think? Heaven forbid we get Kathleen Kennedy sworn in next because she could run the country just as well as she runs Lucasfilm.

Kamala being the current sitting VP means she was already #2 in line anyway, it's not surprising or shocking to anyone. If we absolutely did not ever want her to be president, we would have rejected her at the voting booth when she was running for VP (hint: something you republicans should be doing to Vance)

Biden picked Kamala, not you, to be his VP because he wanted a woman, literally a DEI hire. And Kamala was not that popular to begin with.

https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/president/democratic-primary/2020/national

You couldn’t have rejected her and refrained from voting; you had no choice, not if that meant letting Trump win, and that’s all you care about right, other than Kamala’s gender and skin color?

Maybe there is no democracy in this country. Maybe it’s all a big fake wrestling match with fans arguing over who was the real “winner”.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Maybe there is no democracy in this country. Maybe it’s all a big fake wrestling match with fans arguing over who was the real “winner”.

Alot of people are waking up to this truth. Democracy is the biggest fraud of our time.

[Zulithe]

More yapping and crying that Kamala is the nominee. Well, I'm sorry that this makes the race harder for you and as such is causing you pain, but that's life :lol: Trump has never played fair. How's that medicine taste?

You're ashamed to be American because a woman is close to being president, and you think the primary reason is cause she's a woman and a poc. Will any woman ever be good enough for the job, or does anytime one comes close the arguments that she's only picked due to her gender come up in your mind? You're a discredit to your own gender if that's honestly the case.

Dems are happy to have her as the candidate. It's easy to cherry pick articles to prove any point, I've posted my share and you all certainly don't seem to care so why should I :lol: And that article was before she was the nominee anyway, the tides turned in a very dramatic fashion in the last month.

[Cowabung-Gal]

More yapping and crying that Kamala is the nominee. Well, I'm sorry that this makes the race harder for you and as such is causing you pain, but that's life :lol: Trump has never played fair. How's that medicine taste?

So basically you don’t care that it’s undemocratic, so long as you get what you want? But you’re totally better than all those Trump supporters right?

You're ashamed to be American because a woman is close to being president, and you think the primary reason is cause she's a woman and a poc. Will any woman ever be good enough for the job, or does anytime one comes close the arguments that she's only picked due to her gender come up in your mind? You're a discredit to your own gender if that's honestly the case.

That’s pretty much the only reason they’re “voting” for her, other than she’s not Trump. America’s the land of opportunity, not the land of DEI; in fact, DEI deprives other people of their opportunities. And other then being a DEI hire, what is Kamala good for again? Sorry if you can’t see the qualities of a good female candidate past her boobs and skin color. That’s on you. And by the way, the term “POC” is degrading toward other races, which shows just how out of touch you are.

Margaret Thatcher was a good female leader. We could use someone like her in our own government. And Tulsi Gabbard is good. She’s had my respect since the Covid lockdown. In fact, she wiped the floor with Kamala during their debate for the 2020 election.

the tides turned in a very dramatic fashion in the last month.

Of course they did, because most people just go with what the media says like sheep. “Yeah, I don’t like Kamala” Five minutes later… “Oh, I think Kamala’s great!”

[Mayhem]

Way more died under Biden' watch than Trump's. And what were the mistakes, exactly?
I think it’s way easier and quicker to list what he did right. Certainly not locking down the country quick enough and only blocking incoming flights from China certainly are two big mistakes.

335k people died in the US while Trump was president. 1.18M have died to date. So Trump’s one year in power during the pandemic (of 4.5 years total so far) accounts for nearly a third of the overall deaths.

[Mayhem]

Trump will vote yes to approving legal marijuana in Florida

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq6rj3n8nrdo

Sounds like a forward idea at least, albeit and be cynical in thinking he might be needing some of that himself very shortly…

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That’s pretty much the only reason they’re “voting” for her, other than she’s not Trump. America’s the land of opportunity, not the land of DEI; in fact, DEI deprives other people of their opportunities. And other then being a DEI hire, what is Kamala good for again? Sorry if you can’t see the qualities of a good female candidate past her boobs and skin color. That’s on you. And by the way, the term “POC” is degrading toward other races, which shows just how out of touch you are.



The only DEI hires in recent US govt history are Don, Eric and Ivana.

[Andrew NDB]

I think it’s way easier and quicker to list what he did right. Certainly not locking down the country quick enough

Locking down the country at all has been regarded as a huge mistake. Not a "feature." Certainly not anybody is looking back and going, "Wow, if only we'd locked down even SOONER!"

and only blocking incoming flights from China certainly are two big mistakes.

What would that have done, exactly? Delayed a few people from getting it for an extra week or two? Maybe?

[Coola Yagami]

Locking down the country at all has been regarded as a huge mistake. Not a "feature." Certainly not anybody is looking back and going, "Wow, if only we'd locked down even SOONER!"



What would that have done, exactly? Delayed a few people from getting it for an extra week or two? Maybe?

wait wait wait, but I mean... if they had blocked the borders and paused all flights in and out of China, would that have not prevented the US from catching the virus? I guess until whenever it would eventually mutate, and get as weak as is it currently?

And I'm not asking this as a Trump or Biden thing. I'm asking in general, regardless of who was at the helm. Had they blocked the borders and stopped the flights, wouldn't we have been safe from CoVid? Like how else would it have gotten into the country? Can a virus fly that far out into the air on its own without catching a flight, so to speak?

[Andrew NDB]

wait wait wait, but I mean... if they had blocked the borders and paused all flights in and out of China, would that have not prevented the US from catching the virus? I guess until whenever it would eventually mutate, and get as weak as is it currently?

There was never going to be any locking down the US for enough time to do anything meaningful. A week? A month? And then what? The world still has to move on (trade, travel, international supply chains) and everybody would still get it.

[Coola Yagami]

There was never going to be any locking down the US for enough time to do anything meaningful. A week? A month? And then what? The world still has to move on (trade, travel, international supply chains) and everybody would still get it.

Two weeks to stop the spread.....?

[Mayhem]

To give a complete opposite approach to matters, let's take Australia here (and Singapore was quite similar according to a friend of mine who was there at the time).

The first identified case in Australia btw was towards the end of January 2020.

In March 2020, the Australian government established the intergovernmental National Cabinet and declared a human biosecurity emergency in response to the outbreak. Australian borders were closed to all non-residents on 20 March, and returning residents were required to spend two weeks in supervised quarantine hotels from 27 March. Many individual states and territories also closed their borders to varying degrees, with some remaining closed until late 2020, and continuing to periodically close during localised outbreaks. Social distancing rules were introduced on 21 March, and state governments started to close "non-essential" services. "Non-essential services" included social gathering venues such as pubs and clubs but unlike many other countries did not include most business operations such as construction, manufacturing and many retail categories. The number of new cases initially grew sharply, then levelled out at about 350 per day around 22 March, and started falling at the beginning of April to under 20 cases per day by the end of the month.

Australia was one of few countries to pursue a zero-COVID "suppression" strategy until late 2021, meaning it aimed to minimise domestic community transmission. Implementation involved strict controls on international arrivals and aggressively responding to local outbreaks with lockdowns and exhaustive contact tracing of domestic COVID-19 clusters. A second wave of infections emerged in Victoria during May and June 2020, which was attributed to an outbreak at a Melbourne quarantine hotel. The second wave, though largely localised to Melbourne, was much more widespread and deadlier than the first; at its peak, the state had over 7,000 active cases. Victoria underwent a second strict lockdown which eventually lasted almost four months. The wave ended with zero new cases being recorded on 26 October 2020. No deaths from COVID-19 were recorded in Australia from 28 December 2020 until 13 April 2021, when one death occurred in Queensland.

The nationwide vaccination program began with the first doses of the Pfizer–BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine being administered in Sydney on 21 February 2021. The country's vaccine rollout, which fell short of its initial targets and was described as slow, was criticised. Further cluster outbreaks occurred in late 2020 and mid-2021, with several brief "snap lockdowns" announced in certain states to contain their spread, particularly as novel variants of SARS-CoV-2 arrived in Australia.

In July 2021, the Australian government after continually stating COVID-zero was not sustainable, published the 'National Plan' to live with COVID. As outbreaks of SARS-CoV-2 Delta variant which started in June 2021 in New South Wales spread, almost half of Australia's population and most major cities were in lockdown for at least 3 days during July 2021. The outbreak worsened in New South Wales and spread to Victoria in the following weeks causing new record daily cases in both stated later in 2021. Lockdowns were phased out after 70% of the population was vaccinated in October with most public health restrictions removed after vaccinating 90% of its population in December 2021, as the SARS-CoV-2 Omicron variant drove further records of infections. International travel began to resume in November 2021 and returned to normal in early 2022.

The government declared the emergency response "finished" in September 2022 and removed all restrictions including the requirement to isolate if one was infected from 14 October 2022.

By this point Australia still had recorded under 20k deaths from COVID. I use Australia in a way because like the US, it has a lot of highly concentrated metropolitan areas, and a lot of then sparsely populated rural areas, and plenty where nothing exists at all. Australia's population is about 8% of the US. Their COVID deaths are nowhere near 8% of the US, more like about 1.5%. People were always going to die, there's no escaping from that. But the first year in the US with Trump's handling was terrible in terms of preventative measures. It got a bit better once people started being vaccinated, but I think in part certain attitudes from the public didn't help in slowing down the transmission rate either.

[Zulithe]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/09/03/poll-dems-boosted-gop-shaken-as-harris-trump-race-is-joined/74995919007/

Can't wait for the debate. Trump's goose is cooked.

[Zulithe]

Rs want abortion impossible to get until they need one.

Many such cases.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/a-louder-voice-in-fighting-abortion-bans-men-in-red-states/ar-AA1pUk2r

Vote blue this november!

[ranger_scout]

As I’ve said, it is typical of Hollywood to do this right before an election.

https://variety.com/2024/film/news/donald-trump-movie-apprentice-kickstarter-campaign-longer-theatrical-release-1236128232/

[Zulithe]

Trump not seen on labor day. If you stand with labor you show up on labor day. Nowhere to be seen. Kamala and Walz did events all day on labor day with unions.

Think about where his priorities stand before you defend him next time :P

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/harris-walz-trump-labor-day-b2605728.html

[member_removed]

To give a complete opposite approach to matters, let's take Australia here (and Singapore was quite similar according to a friend of mine who was there at the time).

The first identified case in Australia btw was towards the end of January 2020.



By this point Australia still had recorded under 20k deaths from COVID. I use Australia in a way because like the US, it has a lot of highly concentrated metropolitan areas, and a lot of then sparsely populated rural areas, and plenty where nothing exists at all. Australia's population is about 8% of the US. Their COVID deaths are nowhere near 8% of the US, more like about 1.5%. People were always going to die, there's no escaping from that. But the first year in the US with Trump's handling was terrible in terms of preventative measures. It got a bit better once people started being vaccinated, but I think in part certain attitudes from the public didn't help in slowing down the transmission rate either.

Just wanted to add a few points re Aus, as I live and love it here.

Many States implemented a 14 day isolation period as well.

For instance, my former landlord was stuck on a cruise ship when the lockdown happened. She had to iso in Melbourne for 2 weeks. Then when she travelled home to her home state of Western Australia (WA), she had to iso again as per the state govt's (She was able to Iso at home).

The WA State boarder remained closed until March/06/2022. State Premier Mark McGowan peak with a 91% approval rating. Even my elderly conservative voting parents approved of his measures, but they didn't vote for him.

Despite all this we were isolated from the rest of the country, however bars, hairdressers etc, were all open far faster than the rest of country and the WA economy kept the whole country afloat.

We even had full crowds at sporting events faster than anywhere else. Short term pain for long term gain.

[Zulithe]

Republicans secretly want Trump to lose
https://www.politico.com/playbook

WHAT IF TRUMP LOSES? — A few days ago, conservative commentator ERICK ERICKSON raised eyebrows in GOP circles when he spilled a dirty little secret on X: Some Republicans are privately OK with a DONALD TRUMP loss on Election Day.

But there’s another part to that secret: It’s not just the Never Trumpers. Some of the Republicans wishing for a Trump loss include long-standing GOP figures throughout the nation who bleed red and wouldn’t dare to say this publicly but who are more than ready to move on from the Trump era.

This morning, these Republicans get their perspective aired by our own Jonathan Martin, who argues in a new column that “the best possible outcome in November for the future of the Republican Party is for Donald Trump to lose and lose soundly.”

“GOP leaders won’t tell you that on the record,” he writes. “I just did.”

If Republicans Want to Win, They Need Trump to Lose — Big
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/09/04/kamala-harris-republicans-after-trump-00177194

GOLDMAN SACHS: ECONOMY STRONGER WITH DEMS
https://www.yahoo.com/news/goldman-sees-us-gdp-hit-191743964.html
(Bloomberg) -- Goldman Sachs Group Inc. economists gamed out the potential economic implications of a Republican or Democratic victory in the November elections, cautioning that US GDP faces a hit in the case of a win for Donald Trump.

“We estimate that if Trump wins in a sweep or with divided government, the hit to growth from tariffs and tighter immigration policy would outweigh the positive fiscal impulse” from maintaining most tax cuts, Goldman economists including Alec Phillips wrote in a note Tuesday.

I said it before, there is no future for the Republican party through Trumpism. The guy is steps away from the grave as it is. He's not about your party, he's about TRUMP and only Trump. Look how he treats his own VP pick. They aren't even doing events together, He wants all the limelight. Shed Trump and start something new. It's your only path forward.

You all gave your party to him for the last 10 years and it got you NOTHING.

[Andrew NDB]

I said it before, there is no future for the Republican party through Trumpism. The guy is steps away from the grave as it is. He's not about your party, he's about TRUMP and only Trump. Look how he treats his own VP pick. They aren't even doing events together, He wants all the limelight. Shed Trump and start something new. It's your only path forward.

You all gave your party to him for the last 10 years and it got you NOTHING.

What kind of deranged claptrap are we on this morning?

[Zulithe]

Deranged? Oh you mean like this:

DYiPxpSBhRo

New HBO documentary on Jan 6th, the fake voter fraud claims and Trumpism in general.

We aren't gonna let Trump fanboys live it down.

"The President said it, it's fact" -- Trumpism in a nutshell.

[Andrew NDB]

Deranged? Oh you mean like this:

I don't even know who that is.

New HBO documentary on Jan 6th, the fake voter fraud claims and Trumpism in general.

We aren't gonna let Trump fanboys live it down.

You won't "let" what, now? You're delusional. Nobody is taking anything you say seriously.

[Zulithe]

"deranged"

"delusional"

Keep em coming Untrue Andrew. Me stealing a little bit of Trump magic with that one.

[Barkworm]

"deranged"

"delusional"

Keep em coming Untrue Andrew. Me stealing a little bit of Trump magic with that one.

You probably know that we agree on most of these things but arguing with Trump supporters is not going to do anything, either. Right-wing extremists in general are a group that feels more convinced about themselves with every bit of criticism and protest they encounter.

[Zulithe]

Fine with me! I'm here to show them that their lunacy doesn't go unopposed. I already said earlier in the thread I don't have any hopes of converting anyone here.

I've been witnessing on this forum for years now how it's slowly ceded to right-wing talking points and I'm sick to death of it.

If not for the electoral college (AKA Affirmative Action for Slave States, let's get it straight) it would be a very easy win for Kamala, But since we have to deal with that mess, it's a very much up in the air election. I'll try to be graceful if my side doesn't take the cake ;) I expect the same of the rest of you

[FredWolfLeonardo]

I've been witnessing on this forum for years now how it's slowly ceded to right-wing talking points and I'm sick to death of it.

I feel like this forum is so centred and moderate. I would hardly call it 'right wing talking points' unless we count my own propaganda posts lol

[Barkworm]

If not for the electoral college (AKA Affirmative Action for Slave States, let's get it straight) it would be a very easy win for Kamala, [...]
To me the polls right now look a lot like the 2016 disaster. It's really a bad joke if you think about how many people try to present the US as the world's greatest democracy and then they might have the loser of an election be the 'winner' for the third time in 25 years... Because that is certainly not how democracy works.

[Mayhem]

I will also note that in Trump’s victory, seven electors swapped sides voting wise too in the college. Didn’t find out about that until much later. Not that it would have made a difference of course.

If you wanted to do it more democratically than the electoral college, you’d have to break down the country into much, much smaller areas based on population numbers (so each area has roughly same number of people in it) and assign each area one vote to the Presidential candidate total. Which is rather how it works here.

[Zulithe]

Big story breaking in the last day... Russia is funding Tim Pool and other right-wing influencers.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/04/politics/doj-alleges-russia-funded-company-linked-social-media-stars

https://www.dailydot.com/debug/russia-tenet-benny-johnson-tim-pool-indictment/

https://www.wsj.com/politics/national-security/u-s-accuses-russia-of-spending-millions-to-influence-u-s-voters-be531b99

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2024/09/tenet-media-russia/

https://x.com/YourAnonNews/status/1831507810338689328

Pool alone making as much as $100,000 per week from them.

This news comes straight from the Department of Justice

in other news...

Trump admits he lost the 2020 election (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/trump-acknowledges-lost-2020-election-whisker-rcna169526), severely POing Nick Fuentes who rants in a video about how the 'stop the steal' movement was a huge sham on all Trump supporters including himself
https://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/a-big-ripoff-white-nationalist-nick-fuentes-blasts-trump-for-admitting-he-lost-the-2020-election/

[Zulithe]

I don't love Destiny or anything, he's quite the controversial figure, but he's having a field day with this :lol:

http://i.imgur.com/X9E6VnVh.png (https://imgur.com/X9E6VnV)

[Mayhem]

Trump loses his marbles again and thinks he is still running against Biden…

https://x.com/KamalaHQ/status/1831504566816244114

What was that about only Biden being unfit for office?!

[Powder]

The fact you guys, both sides, can be so smug as you blindly defend politicians, who wouldn't so much as piss out the flames on your burning body, is legitimately pitiable. These people don't care about you, & you don't know them at all. Your news is second-hand, everybody's owned by somebody, it's all just deception, distraction, smoke & mirrors. Such a waste of energy getting so emotional over what boils down to theater. Hug your partner, ask a quiet friend if they're ok, feed a stray, listen to music that makes you happy, just spare your spirit the frustration. It's seriously not worth it. Nobody here is gonna change anyone's opinion, let alone change the course of history. You're sure as hell not gonna win any karma points, either. This thread is pretty much a day-care center for extremists & the developmentally disabled, what's the point?

[FredWolfLeonardo]

what's the point?

I find the thread pretty fun.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/05/opinion/allan-lichtman-trump-harris-prediction.html

Allan Lichtman, Nostradamus of US presidential elections, has predicted Kamala Harris to be the winner.

[Zulithe]

Caring about politics, because actual real things are at stake! I guess it’s easy to be dismissive when nothing is on the line for you. Not everyone has that luxury. Don’t act so above it all.

[CyberCubed]

I dunno, most of us lived through the George W. Bush years, Obama, Trump, etc...and my daily life did not change at all no matter who was president. Granted I was still a young teen when George W. Bush was president so I was so young what was happening didn't matter to me back then.

Now obviously some policies matter, but what I do in my day-to-day life does not change in the slightest no matter who is president. And I don't just mean recently, I mean throughout my whole life.

[Zulithe]

I'm not gonna get into identity politics and such but sure for certain kinds of people the president means almost nothing to them outside of how much taxes they might be paying.

But with just a little bit of empathy you can see how there's huge chunks of the American population where it's a lot more complicated than that. My commentary to you would be to try to imagine yourself in some of those other shoes once in a while. You might just find that some policies can have massive impacts on you, your friends, family, co-workers, etc. etc. depending on what checkmarks you have or don't have down the chart.

[Coola Yagami]

I'm not gonna get into identity politics and such but sure for certain kinds of people the president means almost nothing to them outside of how much taxes they might be paying.

But with just a little bit of empathy you can see how there's huge chunks of the American population where it's a lot more complicated than that. My commentary to you would be to try to imagine yourself in some of those other shoes once in a while. You might just find that some policies can have massive impacts on you, your friends, family, co-workers, etc. etc. depending on what checkmarks you have or don't have down the chart.

Cubed is..... a.... person, but he kinda lives in his bubble. I kinda feel he doesn't really care much about anything in the world around him that isn't media until it affects him personally. Asking for empathy from him might be a tall order.


The only thing I remember ever affecting me personally was Clinton making dual citizenship a thing back in the day, and whoever is currently responsible for the grocery bills being so ****ing high.

[Zulithe]

Well, hey, I am trying to give him the benefit of any doubts I have here since I'm not an expert on him :lol:

Also hey what are you talking about, groceries are too expensive!?!?!?!? People earlier in this thread tried to tell me it was fake news. Might want to fill them in.

[Mayhem]

and whoever is currently responsible for the grocery bills being so ****ing high.
Well you can look at Putin for some of this, the war in Ukraine is spiking certain prices such as wheat because Ukraine is a large producer of a number of basic food crops. It's the largest producer in the world for sunflower oil and seed for example.

Some of the flip side are stores increasing their prices way above inflation and gouging the public.

[Vegita-San]

sigh. you guys have blamed putin for so many things, I'm beginning to wonder if he really is the bad guy.

or just russias version of trump.

[Mayhem]

Ukraine's war has halted or slowed a lot of their exports, that many other countries in the world rely on. It's not rocket science here. Less supplies, higher prices.

In other news, Trump is weirded out by weird...

https://x.com/KamalaHQ/status/1831503308067950722

And Trump's documents case that was shunted by corrupt Judge Cannon is currently going through the process of being restarted and it isn't going well for Trumps defense including the misstep where his team accidentally seem to reveal Justice Thomas committed the impeachable offence of directly liaising and interfering with the case.

[CyberCubed]

sigh. you guys have blamed putin for so many things, I'm beginning to wonder if he really is the bad guy.

or just russias version of trump.

??????

He literally invaded a country for no reason and killed millions of people, both in the Ukraine and all the Russian soldiers who died fighting. Not to mention all the millions spent on a pointless war or all the people injured. He ruined Russia's economy and there's no sign of it ending.

How on earth do you think he's like Trump or did nothing wrong? You do realize there's a real war happening and it's not made up right?

[FredWolfLeonardo]

??????

He literally invaded a country for no reason and killed millions of people, both in the Ukraine and all the Russian soldiers who died fighting. Not to mention all the millions spent on a pointless war or all the people injured. He ruined Russia's economy and there's no sign of it ending.

How on earth do you think he's like Trump or did nothing wrong? You do realize there's a real war happening and it's not made up right?

I don't support Putin's special military operation or him wanting to de-nazify Ukraine. But he invaded pretty much because the United States and NATO forced him to do so at gunpoint.

"Now you go invade Ukraine like a good little dog, or else".

Also, Russia's economy is doing pretty well given that they're in a war.

[Zulithe]

I completely understand if people have Russia fatigue, as it comes up as a factor very often. The evidence is there though, and yeah like cubed said, there is an actual war going on where they invaded a country that did not want to fight with them cause they think they are entitled to their land and controlling them. Why should we as a world allow that to go unchecked?

I also understand if people are frustrated that it's always the USA who ends up taking on the bulk of the responsibility in these matters. Other countries help, but maybe not proportionally enough. It's something we need to continually work on, unfortunately.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

I also understand if people are frustrated that it's always the USA who ends up taking on the bulk of the responsibility in these matters.

Why should they take up responsibility? What is America going to gain?

I see no benefit, only a loss for America and a victory for Russia.

[Mayhem]

I also understand if people are frustrated that it's always the USA who ends up taking on the bulk of the responsibility in these matters. Other countries help, but maybe not proportionally enough. It's something we need to continually work on, unfortunately.
I shall point out that as a percent of GDP, the US is actually somewhat down the list of contributions to Ukraine’s war effort by country.

[CyberCubed]

I can't remember who it was, but a few months back (or maybe last year?) someone here said the Russia/Ukraine war was "fake" and wasn't actually happening, and everything you saw posted online was propaganda or CG from videogames. :lol:

There are people who are so legitimately stupid they think these real life wars aren't really happening, or come up with conspiracy theories about them. I don't know how these people exist, but they do.

[Bahamut810]

I shall point out that as a percent of GDP, the US is actually somewhat down the list of contributions to Ukraine’s war effort by country.

European countries *should* be contributing more to help protect their neighbors. Heck, USA GDP is in addition to the military we upkeep in order to keep the world as peaceful as it is.

[Andrew NDB]

Big story breaking in the last day... Russia is funding Tim Pool and other right-wing influencers.

Now, that's not quite the deal you're making it out to be, but that IS pretty shocking! But the only real shocker there is Lauren Chen (with her husband) and the deliberate cover-up of the "money" coming from RT. I've really enjoyed her reviews on things in entertainment and MOST stuff, but yeah... it did strike me as weird when only a while back, when she'd never been before, suddenly Lauren was super outspoken against the U.S. helping either Ukraine or Israel. I certainly never agreed with her position on those things (as most people are able to do) but yeah, it's crazy that that could be the reason. And it really seems like that's the reason now, in hindsight. Crazy.

Though far and wide there seems to be a weird idea that "ANY money coming from Russia" must mean there's some nefarious plot. I mean, "Forever War" was bankrolled by "Russia." Does that mean it's a Putin psi-op, just because a few Russians are involved? Now this is stupid.

[Coola Yagami]

Now, that's not quite the deal you're making it out to me, but that IS pretty shocking! But the only real shocker there is Lauren Chen (with her husband) and the deliberate cover-up of the "money" coming from RT. I've really enjoyed her reviews on things in entertainment and MOST stuff, but yeah... it did strike me as weird when only a while back, when she'd never been before, suddenly Lauren was super outspoken against the U.S. helping either Ukraine or Israel. I certainly never agreed with her position on those things (as most people are able to do) but yeah, it's crazy that that could be the reason. And it really seems like that's the reason now, in hindsight. Crazy.

Though far and wide there seems to be a weird idea that "ANY money coming from Russia" must mean there's some nefarious plot. I mean, "Forever War" was bankrolled by "Russia." Does that mean it's a Putin psi-op, just because a few Russians are involved? Now this is stupid.

Russia was going to use Forever War to mail out pizzas to innocent Americans with homing devices disguised as anchovies.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/putin-support-kamala-harris-ukraine-incursion-failed-russia-kursk-rcna169681

Putin wants Harris to win.

[Zulithe]

Putin wanting Harris was a joke. I guess a lot of people aren't picking up on that.

Dick Cheney also says he'll vote for Harris, for what it's worth. https://www.businessinsider.com/dick-cheney-vote-kamala-harris-liz-2024-9

"In our nation's 248-year history, there has never been an individual who is a greater threat to our republic than Donald Trump," Cheney wrote. "He tried to steal the last election using lies and violence to keep himself in power after the voters had rejected him."

"He can never be trusted with power again," Cheney added.

I'm not sure what to think about his decision, I'm starting to doubt myself now cause I don't trust him :lol::lol:

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Putin wanting Harris was a joke. I guess a lot of people aren't picking up on that.

Is he really joking though? Putin invaded Georgia under Bush, Crimea under Obama and Ukraine under Biden.

Putin didn't invade anyone under Trump.

Dick Cheney also says he'll vote for Harris, for what it's worth. https://www.businessinsider.com/dick-cheney-vote-kamala-harris-liz-2024-9


I'm not sure what to think about his decision, I'm starting to doubt myself now cause I don't trust him :lol::lol:

Past War mongering Vice President endorses current War Mongering Vice President

[Zulithe]

The wars the bush administration got us wrapped into vs. the ukraine situation are whooooole different ballgames. But i'll let you take your shots :lol: nobody "wants" war, unless you are making money off the weapons I suppose.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

The wars the bush administration got us wrapped into vs. the ukraine situation are whooooole different ballgames. But i'll let you take your shots :lol:

Ukraine is not only the only theatre of war in which Kamala is involved. But in both Cheney's and Harris' cases, they are warmongerers for getting America involved in overseas conflicts that benefit a certain foreign power at the expense of the American people.

nobody "wants" war, unless you are making money off the weapons I suppose.

There is absolutely is an evil cabal that wants these wars as they help it consolidate its power.

[Barkworm]

I've just seen two polls for Florida and Ohio. Hard to believe that both were swing states Obama won easily, only a little more than ten years ago.

[ranger_scout]

Bernie Sanders publicly said that Kamala Harris only saying that she dropping her far-left agenda at rallies and the press to try to win this election.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/bernie-sanders-says-harris-abandoning-far-left-policies-in-order-win-election

50 days after she launched her campaign, Harris put her policies on her official website. Too little, too late.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/harris-finally-adds-policy-page-campaign-website-devotes-several-sections-trump

[Barkworm]

Polls have been pretty bad for Harris for the last week with high quality pollsters seeing her and Trump in a tie. Usually, debates don‘t shift poll numbers much but this year of course is special in many way. If she doesn‘t do well, it might give Trump a clearer edge.

[Zulithe]

Don't believe the polls, they literally change every day by a few points in either direction. We have record numbers of new voters signing up (https://www.cbsnews.com/video/huge-surge-in-voter-registration-compared-to-2020-election-data-firm-finds/) and they matter a great deal. Most of the people who answer polls are olds cause they are the only people who actually answer their phones anymore

Make sure you are registered, double check your voter registration using vote.org if you have even a sliver of a doubt. Get your friends, family, co-workers registered.

In my state of California, vote my mail ballots are sent 29 days before the election, so unless you want to spend Nov 5th standing in line to vote you want to make sure you are good to go before then. Every state is of course different.

I love the feeling of getting all my voting done ahead of time, then I can spend election day following the coverage and results without worrying about it. And like I said previously, you can even track your ballot once it is mailed in if you are paranoid about it not being counted or lost, etc.

[Barkworm]

Don't believe the polls,
That would not be a smart thing to do at all. Sure, there are polls that are taken by contacting people by landline and these are unsurprisingly pollsters who don‘t get accurate numbers. But I‘m talking about high quality pollsters like Siena, YouGov or Emerson. All have similar numbers with big sample groups.

„Polls are fake“ is a dumb narrative that rightwingers have been pushing for the last 15 years and they see their beliefs confirmed by the 2016 results. But even then, while state polls were off quite a bit, the nationwide polls in the last couple of weeks before the election were spot on.

Democrats need to take these numbers super-seriously. They need to aggressively campaign Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania and maybe North Carolina which looks like they have a shot there. Harris needs to present herself focused and make Trump look like the buffoon he is tonight. Also, mobilize as many of these new voters to vote early. If all these things don‘t happen, it will end badly for them.

[Zulithe]

Not believing the polls IS very smart, because they are all flawed.

I look at polls all freaking day. Because other places I read and participate are always posting them. And they are all over the place.

What if you believe a misleading poll that convinces you not to bother voting for something because you think it's a lost cause. Many people would think this way.

The only thing that matters is actually voting. polls aren't votes.

And Kamala is doing well in the polls btw, depending on which polls you look at. I could post pro Dem or pro Kamala leaning polls in this thread all day long. Doesn't really do much though.

[Barkworm]

Not believing the polls IS very smart, because they are all flawed.

I look at polls all freaking day. Because other places I read and participate are always posting them. And they are all over the place.

What if you believe a misleading poll that convinces you not to bother voting for something because you think it's a lost cause. Many people would think this way.

The only thing that matters is actually voting. polls aren't votes.

And Kamala is doing well in the polls btw, depending on which polls you look at. I could post pro Dem or pro Kamala leaning polls in this thread all day long. Doesn't really do much though.
Of course, polls aren‘t votes. They are not supposed to foresee the exact outcome of an election but to give you an accurate impression of what‘s on voter‘s minds right now. The important thing is to learn the right lesson from the numbers. Not voting because you think it‘s a lost cause would be lazy and as close as the numbers are at the moment it would also be quite a weird take-away.

You‘ve been quite enthusiastic about the polls for the last month and now that they are looking increasingly bad for Harris you say we shouldn‘t believe them? That‘s dangerous thinking.

Look at the latest French election where pollsters saw a major right-wing win. But this mobilized enough people to prevent them from winning in the end. That‘s the effect a poll should have.

[Zulithe]

More on polls:

SMii6l-UaVo

[Zulithe]

rules for tonight's debate:

https://abcnews.go.com/US/abc-news-releases-rules-sept-10-debate-harris/story?id=113019909

[ranger_scout]

So typical of Hollywood to release the trailer for this film on the day of the debate to help Kamala Harris.

https://deadline.com/video/the-apprentice-trailer-donald-trump-sebastian-stan-ali-abbasi-briarcliff-trumps-2024/

[Mayhem]

No notes, props or consulting with teams during breaks? Trump is going to deliver an hour of word salad then...

[Autbot_Benz]

rules for tonight's debate:

https://abcnews.go.com/US/abc-news-releases-rules-sept-10-debate-harris/story?id=113019909

Glad they are gonna mute Trump when it isn't his time to talk cause he never shuts up and nobody can get a word in otherwise.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Glad they are gonna mute Trump when it isn't his time to talk cause he never shuts up and nobody can get a word in otherwise.

That rule hurts Kamala way more than it hurts Trump.

[Barkworm]

That rule hurts Kamala way more than it hurts Trump.
Everyone saw what an uncivilised pig he is when he was debating Hillary but most people didn't care about that.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Everyone saw what an uncivilised pig he is when he was debating Hillary but most people didn't care about that.

I don't know, man. I love the guy but even I was put off by his interruptions in the debates.

The 2024 Debate with Biden and its muting rules definetly helped Trump by preventing him from interrupting Biden when the latter was at his worst.

But Kamala obviously doesn't have the same issues as Biden so I think this debates gonna be a coin flip.

[Andrew NDB]

Everyone saw what an uncivilised pig he is when he was debating Hillary but most people didn't care about that.

Policy > politeness. Always. And it's not like she was any ray of sunshine toward Trump in those debates, either.

[Zulithe]

Something I thought was interesting. Tim Walz is doing his own watch party live streamed for the debate apparently? Don't think I have ever seen anything like this from a VP candidate, lol.

WB0LNtHypdE

Due to my work schedule I'll be sleeping during the debate so I'll have to watch the highlights later.

[Andrew NDB]

Something I thought was interesting. Tim Walz is doing his own watch party live streamed for the debate apparently? Don't think I have ever seen anything like this from a VP candidate, lol.

WB0LNtHypdE

Due to my work schedule I'll be sleeping during the debate so I'll have to watch the highlights later.

Like they say, he's like a super excited, super stupid corgi.

[Galactus]

Policy > politeness. Always. And it's not like she was any ray of sunshine toward Trump in those debates, either.

His policies were a complete joke though. Think of the main ones he campaigned on in 2016:


A giant yet hard to see wall across the entirety the US/Mexican border including private land, mountains, lakes and seas which every engineer said was impossible and he would somehow force Mexico to pay for it.

A ban on Muslim people entering the US. Something which is both unconstitutional and morally reprehensible. He also had no plan on how to enforce it and would have exemptions for Muslims from Saudi Arabia and Egypt...y'know the two countries that export the most radical Islamic terrorism which defeats the whole point of having a Muslim ban in the first place.

Repealing and replacing the Affordable Care Act with something which covers everyone but would totally not be Universal Health Care because that's s..s...socialism.

Tax breaks for billionaires...the last people who need tax breaks.


And how many of these did he actually do in office? Only the last one. The rest were completely unworkable and he never had any intention of trying. Trump (and most modern GOP candidates) popularity is not based on policy it's based on personality. It gives them a thrill when he's a bigoted asshole and emboldens them to be the same. What even are his policies now? He's not running on anything other than him being loudmouth asshole.

[Bahamut810]

His policies were a complete joke though. Think of the main ones he campaigned on in 2016:


A giant yet hard to see wall across the entirety the US/Mexican border including private land, mountains, lakes and seas which every engineer said was impossible and he would somehow force Mexico to pay for it.

A ban on Muslim people entering the US. Something which is both unconstitutional and morally reprehensible. He also had no plan on how to enforce it and would have exemptions for Muslims from Saudi Arabia and Egypt...y'know the two countries that export the most radical Islamic terrorism which defeats the whole point of having a Muslim ban in the first place.

Repealing and replacing the Affordable Care Act with something which covers everyone but would totally not be Universal Health Care because that's s..s...socialism.

Tax breaks for billionaires...the last people who need tax breaks.


And how many of these did he actually do in office? Only the last one. The rest were completely unworkable and he never had any intention of trying. Trump (and most modern GOP candidates) popularity is not based on policy it's based on personality. It gives them a thrill when he's a bigoted asshole and emboldens them to be the same. What even are his policies now? He's not running on anything other than him being loudmouth asshole.

on the first two points...

1. He was fought ever step of the way on wall funding. Arguably he did make Mexico (or try to depending on if the policy was going or not) shoulder some of the financial burden in the meantime with the Remain in Mexico policy (which was also fought tooth and nail) where migrants were sent back to mexico while we got them figured out making them shoulder the burden that is breaking multiple large cities in the USA (like New York).

2. I don't recall him ever banning Muslims. When he first took office he banned travel with a few different Muslim majority countries but never required a religious litmus test.

He has enough that makes him a bad candidate, so making stuff up is bad form.

[Galactus]

on the first two points...

1. He was fought ever step of the way on wall funding. Arguably he did make Mexico (or try to depending on if the policy was going or not) shoulder some of the financial burden in the meantime with the Remain in Mexico policy (which was also fought tooth and nail) where migrants were sent back to mexico while we got them figured out making them shoulder the burden that is breaking multiple large cities in the USA (like New York).

This is the excuse that everyone uses, that he was continually blocked but Republicans for a while had control of Congress, the Senate and the the White House. There is no reason why they struggled to get anything done.

Again the kind of border wall Trump was proposing was physically impossible and everyone knew that. He didn't even start trying to build it until he was campaigning for a second term and he had to make it look like he was at least trying. We know he had no intention of building any kind of border wall getting Mexico to pay for it (directly or indirectly). There is video of him in the first few weeks in office on the phone to the President of Mexico promising him there were no plans to build the wall and that was just something he said while campaigning.

2. I don't recall him ever banning Muslims. When he first took office he banned travel with a few different Muslim majority countries but never required a religious litmus test.


His words were "a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States". It was only ever amended to a temporary travel ban when it became obvious simply asking "are you a Muslim?" was never going to be an effective means of stopping Muslims entering the country.

[IndigoErth]

FYI, the people who cross the boarder are coming and eating our pets. According to Trump.

[Andrew NDB]

FYI, the people who cross the boarder are coming and eating our pets. According to Trump.

And according to the actual people in Ohio. I've seen their video testimonials. Now, could they be lying? Sure, I guess.

[Autbot_Benz]

I think this fan favorite line from Billy Madison works for Trump perfectly especially after this debate

https://i.imgur.com/OTgOfA5.jpeg

[Andrew NDB]

There's a pretty funny "Duck Tales: Ohio" meme I probably can't share here.

[RaphaelinSTL]

She roped a dope. On to November.

[Cowabung-Gal]

Speaking of Ohio memes

https://i0.wp.com/politicallyincorrecthumor.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/ohio-is-great-right-garfield-need-trump-back.jpg?resize=621%2C233&ssl=1

[Mayhem]

Kamala laid a lot of bait out and Trump ate it all up, wasting his time answering the questions by trying to push back at her points instead of putting his own policies and thoughts forward. Like Ali, she completely roped a dope. The live fact checking to push back Trump was chefs kiss.

Executive babies and eating the pets memes are doing the rounds now…

And according to the actual people in Ohio. I've seen their video testimonials. Now, could they be lying? Sure, I guess.
The whole thing about the animals has been debunked after dribbling through news channels last couple days. The only actual truth part is the illegals arriving there, and how does a town handle its size growing by 25% overnight.

[Zulithe]

Right wing fearmongering has reached a new heights with this “they’re coming to eat your pets” line. Wasn’t on my bingo card but it should’ve been

Do they realize how desperate this makes them look

Oh and Taylor Swift officially endorsed Kamala/Walz in the wake of diaper don posting fake AI pics of her being MAGA. The taste is sweet.

[member_removed]

Eating pets.

He has to be trolling us now!

I don't think Trump's ever eaten pussy... unless it was Ivanka's.

[Zulithe]

Just getting around to watching some clips of the debate since I couldn't watch it live.

Damn, she burned the hell out of him. And he sounded like a loon especially with that whole eating our pets thing.

Has never been more clear to me who is more capable of leading our country in this upcoming election. Taylor Swift (who i'm not a fan of, though I respect her) said it best... we need a President who leads with CALM and not CHAOS. We all remember what his Presidency was like... chaos incarnate... the media may love it (big ratings for them) but it's a disaster in every other way.

Kamala also brought up a very powerful and strong point... look at the massive, massive line of people who formerly worked with trump since he goes through staff like toilet paper, and how many of them had awful experiences and have spoken out against him. This is not how a leader operates. He's a user and abuser, a con man, not a leader.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Damn, she burned the hell out of him.

In what world? She was stuttering, nervous and anxious throughout the entire thing, all the while looking pale.

Trump destroyed her, and it wasn't even close. He oozed confidence throughout and his serious natured aggression made him look a dominant alpha male.

[Zulithe]

Incredible how an entire country can watch the same debate video and come to wildly different conclusions. Just goes to show how polarized and entrenched people are in who they believe.

But let's be clear, there is one side spreading very high-profile disinformation that is a laughing stock and it's Trump's to own.

fact checking the pet thing:
https://x.com/krassenstein/status/1833210544188281282

Oh and Trump is a dominant alpha male to you? Man, oh man...

[Mayhem]

A Disney version of the debate…

https://iili.io/dUjaKzJ.md.jpg


Oh and Trump is a dominant alpha male to you? Man, oh man...
Oh yeah the whole alpha thing… as I work in software QA, that just says Trump is unstable, missing important features, filled with flaws, and not fit for the public.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Policy wise, I love how Trump stayed neutral on the foreign conflicts as an America-first leader should.

I rolled my eyes out at how much Kamala sucked up to Israel and Ukraine, but Trump hitting back with 'you hate both Arabs and Jews' was pretty genius as far as appealing to both of those demographics in America who have legitimate grieviances with the current administration.

[Mayhem]

Well let’s face it, any policy decision there isn’t going to please everyone

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Well let’s face it, any policy decision there isn’t going to please everyone

Fair enough. Though my prediction is that Trump is likely to win much more of the Arab and Jewish vote this time around, both demographics whom have been majority democrat.

[Zulithe]

TGsxtIozHFA

"he may be a liar but he exudes alpha male energy. I like him." -- someone, somewhere

[Barkworm]

That whole part where he mentions the eaten pets is gold. Harris used the most simple bait (playing down his beloved rallies) and Trump completely lost his ****. He sure loves his rallies.

But as I mentioned earlier, winning this debate (and the only flash poll saw a very clear Harris win) was just one of the mandatory steps to victory for the Democrats. It is still going to be a complete nailbiter.

[Zulithe]

Each side can say or do almost anything and the vote would barely budge away from the 50/50 gridlock, that's the saddest part. Each side is spending tens of millions just to sway a few hundred thousand voters that somehow can never make up their minds.

I wish we really did have two (or more) sides proposing appealing futures for our country just with different ideas about how to get there but I can't see it that way in recent years. Things are too polarized.

[Andrew NDB]

To summarize:

* No, it wasn't the big knockout of Kamala everyone on the right was hoping for.

* No, it wasn't the big embarrassing implosion of Trump everyone on the left was hoping for.

* Kamala wasn't really held accountable to answer any of the big questions and Trump didn't really try to press her much.

* Trump allowed Kamala to "get his goat" about crowd sizes and took the bait on the "Haitians in Ohio eating animals" trap. And even if it's true (and it appears to be, on at least a limited extent with ducks and geese in the parks and at least accounts on local news stations about cats), average Americans haven't looked into it much beyond, "But the guy on CNN says he asked someone in Ohio about it and they said that's not happening!" So not the best move, even if Trump will be vindicated more clearly in the days ahead as the "news" catches up to the headlines.

* It was largely a 3-on-1 debate with the hosts frequently -- and incorrectly -- fact-checking Trump on "lies" but not even fact-checking Kamala on even a single one of her lies. And there was many, some back-to-back.

* Trump "won" the closing statement vs. Kamala's. And by far.

But that's it. So... nothing really changed. I don't believe any minds were changed either way, but no one was hurt either. If there's any plus, it's that independent types of voters would come out of the debate having it underscored in front of their eyes and ears that the media (AKA, the propaganda wing of the left) really, really want to do anything they can to get Kamala elected.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

"he may be a liar but he exudes alpha male energy. I like him." -- someone, somewhere

Just call me out by name, I don't bite.

I can see Trump standing side by side with and earning the respect and fear of strongmen like Putin, Xi and Kim Jong Un. Harris? Not so much.

That whole part where he mentions the eaten pets is gold. Harris used the most simple bait (playing down his beloved rallies) and Trump completely lost his ****. He sure loves his rallies.

But as I mentioned earlier, winning this debate (and the only flash poll saw a very clear Harris win) was just one of the mandatory steps to victory for the Democrats. It is still going to be a complete nailbiter.

I thought the eaten pets part was pure comedy gold as well. That Trump moment is gonna stick in people's minds and I don't think its gonna lose him votes so I consider it a major win for both the race and memes.

And of course, the lyin fake news media will say Harris won because she is their preferred candidate. Just like how they all wanted Biden gone so they all were complicit in the negative reporting that led to his removal after the debate.

[Zulithe]

That's not what you said so I was avoiding putting words in your mouth FWLeo. I was more parodying those of that same mindset (which you may, or may not, be covered by :lol:)

I don't necessarily agree that she can't command respect from our enemies or rivals. It's not like she has to go toe-to-toe fighting them with her fists. Women in power can command the same respect as a male and they can be just as cunning and vicious. I'm not saying men and women are exactly the same in all respects, but the president is just a figurehead and commander-in-chief, she doesn't have to be an expert military strategist cause there will be those within the administration and upper levels of the military, etc. etc., so when I see what could possibly be a shortcoming in a leader I can imagine where others can help fill those gaps. It's not a concern for me. I look at things like temperament and how they handle various obstacles over the course of their careers and I think she's suitable in those ways.

I also don't agree that most of the mainstream media wants Harris to win the election. Trump brings big ratings for news networks and that's what they thrive on. MSNBC and others are pretty clear about preferring her, but it's very mixed out there.

Personally I don't want a President who wants to dominate the news cycle every day of the week the way Trump did during his presidency. Just do your job in office and make some appearances when it's needed. We don't need to be hearing from you every freaking day like you're some kind of god hanging on your every word. Just another thing I can't stand about Trump and his personality. Trump has a very clear case of narcissistic personality disorder, possibly malignant narcissism. These types of people are very dangerous to have in power.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/harris-campaign-calls-2nd-presidential-debate-challenging-trump/story%3fid=113574226

Harris wants to debate again.

[IMJ]

Harris had nothing but character attacks followed by words like "lets move beyond calling names!". And I'm sure liberals ate it up in disregard.

Trump stayed on point, brought the conversation back to solving the country's issues every time.

Harris. Democrats. And the left are the evil they keep claiming to fight against. They gaslight, they call people "racists" and attack their enemies all while going on about "the future" and "moving beyond the old".

They are disingenuous and the evidence is all there. It's time to move beyond society's deplorables calling people racists and then claiming they are society's forward thinkers. It's time.

[Bahamut810]

That was such a shtshow.

Moderators
"Whats your plan for XYZ?"

Both Canadates
"That person over there is the worst..."

Also yeah, they needed different moderators. Only correcting/calling out one side when both of them are embellishing and lying is BS.

[robertfiduciary]

"I have concepts of a plan." - Donald John Trump, being asked about Obamacare after complaining for NEARLY TEN YEARS about how awful it was, and saying how "easy" it would be to replace with something better.

Concepts.

Of.

A.

Plan.

:lol:

Not sure what debate you were watching, IMJ. But it doesn't sounds it was the Presidential one. Maybe it was a movie you had, by accident? Maybe something like that.

Because he definitely didn't stay "on point." ("THEY'RE. EATING. THE. DOGS.")
And I definitely didn't hear much (except his nonsense about tariffs, maybe) about solving ANYTHING.

Just more petty, personal grievances. The needy attention of victimhood.

Not really much about the country at all. VP Harris pointed that out, in fact.

Oh, well.

I hope it was good! (Whatever you were watching. Was Will Smith in it? Maybe you were watching "Independence Day." :lol:).


Trump stayed on point, brought the conversation back to solving the country's issues every time.

[IndigoErth]

"I have concepts of a plan." - Donald John Trump, being asked about Obamacare after complaining for NEARLY TEN YEARS about how awful it was, and saying how "easy" it would be to replace with something better.

Sounds like a rebranding of what he did the first time, just telling people to "wait and see," or something along those lines, anytime they tried to get details about his plans out of him... when there clearly weren't any details, but people were willing to buy that empty mystery bag of air he was peddling to them.

[Zulithe]

Trump had since 2016 to come up with a health care plan he thought was better. They don't have any plan, they don't want any plan. They want to repeal it and let everyone fend for themselves like in the past. They hate Obamacare becuase it was a big win for the democrats, they don't care that it helps millions of people. That's the danger of partisan politics. When you put party above the needs of the American people then something is very very wrong. None of us need or want that.

They're evil, basically. And if this is how they treat the health of their citizens then imagine that mindset applying to every other aspect of governing. Yeah.

The Biden administration just negotiated some of the best price decreases on the most expensive essential drugs that help millions of americans recently. Tons of those who will benefit live in red states. I bet they won't say a word of appreciation though. Most probably think Trump somehow did it.

What we should be doing instead of trying to tear down progress if slowly moving towards a single payer health care system that covers all american citizens just like medicare and medicaid already does for our seniors and disabled. As an American citizen you should at least expect decent health care as part of your citizenship. And when I say HEALTH CARE I mean HEALTH CARE, not HEALTH INSURANCE, those are wildly different things.

[robertfiduciary]

"There’s no putting lipstick on this pig. Mr. Trump was crushed by a woman he previously dismissed as ‘dumb as a rock.’ Which raises the question: What does that make him?” - Karl Rove, Wall Street Journal

I'm sorry, but :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[Mayhem]

Trump had since 2016 to come up with a health care plan he thought was better. They don't have any plan, they don't want any plan. They want to repeal it and let everyone fend for themselves like in the past. They hate Obamacare becuase it was a big win for the democrats, they don't care that it helps millions of people. That's the danger of partisan politics. When you put party above the needs of the American people then something is very very wrong. None of us need or want that.
It’s been partisan ever since Reagan really. Before that time you could genuinely point and say both major parties tried to find common ground over some policies. But now it’s just about scoring points, not making them.

[Mayhem]

https://iili.io/dggLqfS.md.jpg

[Zulithe]

Some important comments about polling numbers. People should be very aware of this.

Rosenberg: What happened in 2022 is that in the battleground states, the Republicans flooded the field with polls that were usually 2-4 points more Republican than the independent polls. They ended up pushing the polling averages to the right. RCP had Republicans with 54 Senate seats.

Some of those same polling outfits that haven’t done public polling for the last two years have returned. Wick, Insider Advantage, Trafalgar, and Patriot Polling started producing polls in the battleground states, showing their results 2-4 points more Republican than all the other polling. So, it’s literally the exact same thing.

The reason it matters is it demobilizes. When we think we’re losing, we demobilize. Our voters disengage, and money dries up. The same is true for them. They want to give Trump and Republican voters the belief that the election is closer than it really is.

The second thing is if Trump tries to cheat and overturn the election results, he needs data showing he was somehow winning..
source: https://x.com/Acyn/status/1834411436413780445

[Mayhem]

Lies, damned lies, and statistics…

[Barkworm]

There have always been partisan pollsters. Look at high-quality, non-partisan pollsters like Yougov or Siena and you get a similar picture everywhere: The race for the popular vote is so close that Harris might have a problem with the electoral college. This knowledge should MOBILIZE voters, not discourage them. Get the swing state campaigning go full throttle.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Never forget how much the polls underestimated Trump in both 2016 and 2020.

[Zulithe]

Harris will remove 4 year degree requirements for federal jobs and incentivize companies across the USA to do the same. Paying for college to get a 4 year degree should not be the only path to success, I agree with her.

https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1834723098371014672

[CyberCubed]

Wake me up when the 4-day workweek becomes a thing.

[Zulithe]

Wake me up when the 4-day workweek becomes a thing.

It already is for me :lol:

But yeah, I would like to see that become the norm for sure.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Wake me up when the 4-day workweek becomes a thing.

Personally, with the state of the economy and having mouths to feed, I wish I had more work days/hours, not less.

[CyberCubed]

Well that's if you choose to do overtime, if it's available depending on the kind of work you do. Also the 4 day work week would give you the same pay as a 5-day workweek, wouldn't it? Otherwise people wouldn't be taking a full day pay cut.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Overtime is not available in my organisation due to them wanting to cut costs. And I guess alot of people where I live do work 4 days, but they won't get the pay for a full 5 days like what has been proposed.

I am happy and grateful for my salary, but I pray and wish I had longer hours or a 6 days a week instead of 5 because of the higher cost of living nowadays.

[ranger_scout]

Kamala Harris did her first solo interview as the Democratic nominee and it was a train wreck. She couldn’t even name 1-2 two things to bring down inflation.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/harris-first-solo-interview-proves-candidate-trainwreck-unprepared-office-say-online-critics

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/critics-pan-kamala-harris-tv-interview-bewildering-answers-talk-cheap

https://x.com/kleavittnh/status/1834736224583438715?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1834736224583438715%7Ctwgr% 5Ea37568081e907949f3e08e6379ae8497e31ccba3%7Ctwcon %5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.foxnews.com%2Fpolitics%2 Fcritics-pan-kamala-harris-tv-interview-bewildering-answers-talk-cheap&mx=2

[Andrew NDB]

Kamala Harris did her first solo interview as the Democratic nominee and it was a train wreck. She couldn’t even name or 1-2 two things to bring down inflation.

Yeah, she went right back to the "I'm a middle class kid" crap she still had memorized, left over from the debate. That's not an answer to anything.

[ToTheNines]

Meanwhile AOCIA is coming unglued online because 3rd party candidates don’t know the precise number of House of Representatives members.

[Zulithe]

Donald Trump‘s body odor leaves people who get near him gagging according to people who have smelled themselves.

https://www.irishstar.com/news/us-news/donald-trump-smell-jimmy-kimmel-33608755

[Barkworm]

Donald Trump‘s body odor leaves people who get near him gagging according to people who have smelled themselves.

https://www.irishstar.com/news/us-news/donald-trump-smell-jimmy-kimmel-33608755

Aw, come on, man. You're better than this.

[Zulithe]

You have actually read and heard with your own body the things Trump has said and claimed, but THIS is bridge too far? Get a grip.

Trump claims he hates Taylor Swift, further mobilizing Swifties.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-i-hate-taylor-swift-1235102578/

http://i.imgur.com/Dv2dKSoh.jpg (https://imgur.com/Dv2dKSo)

[Barkworm]

You have actually read and heard with your own body the things Trump has said and claimed, but THIS is bridge too far? Get a grip.
But why stoop to the same level?

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2024/sep/15/donald-trump-shooting-florida-golf-course

Probable Assasination attempt on Trump at his golfcourse thwarted.

Once again, God willed for the Donald to live another day.

[Mayhem]

Just a cover for JD Vance admitting the cat and dog eating story was false…

https://x.com/BlueATLGeorgia/status/1835430290627690890

But evidently everyone wants a pot shot at Trump…

[IndigoErth]

Vance really sat there trying to act like making up crap is a justified and valid action.

But DANA, it's for THIS bulls*** reason that is totally okay, because I say so.

Burst out laughing though when you see her face turn stone still like, "Dude, wtf."





Probable Assasination attempt on Trump at his golfcourse thwarted.

Once again, God willed for the Donald to live another day.

Trump by this point in his life would own a heck of a lot of tickets to hell. I'm not sure how anyone could do the degree of mental gymnastics required to think a deity would actually support and approve of him.

At this point, I feel like that would be less the case and more that humanity is simply terrible enough that we just deserve to have to deal with terrible people like Trump. Makes more sense when too many good people are lost too soon, but people like him escape a literal bullet. This probably already IS Hell...

[Cowabung-Gal]

I'm not sure how anyone could do the degree of mental gymnastics required to think a deity would actually support and approve of him.

The Flying Spaghetti Monster would probably support and approve of Biden since he’s such a noodlehead.

https://i.tribune.com.pk/media/images/Untitled-design-(36)1726121274-0/Untitled-design-(36)1726121274-0.png

At this point, I feel like that would be less the case and more that humanity is simply terrible enough that we just deserve to have to deal with terrible people like Trump.

Hey, at least we don’t have Xi Jinping, Kim Jong Un, or Barbecue as our leaders. Could be worse.

[IndigoErth]

Get it right, in his advancing age Joe is just gradually turning into soft serve. There's worse ways to age, I guess.



edit: By reports of the stench, it's questionable if Trump is even bathing as he should, which could be part of his own cognitive decline.

[Zulithe]

It takes time for reliable information on these shooters to come out but early information points to him being trump voter. So, with that being the case I'm guessing this will fade from the right-wing talking points real fast. Instead of playing up his identity they will maybe speak nebulously about how "they" want to kill trump... but who is the "they", really?

https://x.com/therealduckie/status/1835444920284262810

they tend to be gun enthusiasts with a penchant for conspiracy theories.
https://i.tribune.com.pk/media/images/Untitled-design-(36)1726121274-0/Untitled-design-(36)1726121274-0.png
It's worth pointing out since history has a tenancy to forget finer details, this is a prime example of Biden being a good sport. They asked him to put it on, he did it, everyone laughed. It was a gesture of unity. When he said he was going to be a President for all Americans, he meant it. Now, I dare Trump to wear a Harris/Walz hat :)

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4gdgw0v3dxo

[Cowabung-Gal]

It's worth pointing out since history has a tenancy to forget finer details, this is a prime example of Biden being a good sport. They asked him to put it on, he did it, everyone laughed. It was a gesture of unity.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4gdgw0v3dxo

C’mon, man, use your head. You really believe that any Democrat would wear a MAGA hat after calling Trump a “dictator” and a “threat to democracy”, even to be “a good sport”? When RFK Jr., who is pretty much Democratic royalty, joined forces with Trump, that wasn’t celebrated as a form of “unity”, was it?

Face it, Biden is a senile old coot who doesn’t even know where he is half the time. If that weren’t the case, he wouldn't need to step down as President. Also, the White House, not Biden himself, said it was a gesture of unity. Get it? It’s damage control. His handlers are doing the communicating for him, and they always tell the People the truth right? Right?

[Andrew NDB]

More than anything else, it's pretty infuriating we don't really see our president anymore. He's perfectly fine to slide out these last few months but not to run again? Then get him out.

[Mayhem]

More than anything else, it's pretty infuriating we don't really see our president anymore. He's perfectly fine to slide out these last few months but not to run again? Then get him out.
Ronnie was half gone for his second term, and they didn't slide him out, and look how that turned out... not much different to Biden here.

(hence all the classic Spitting Image sketches)

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[Zulithe]

https://i.imgur.com/6FjbdTx.jpeg

[Zulithe]

Okay, okay, enough joking around :lol:

Oprah Winfrey is doing a livestream "virtual rally" event with Kamala on Thursday, September 19 at 8pm ET. You can sign up for the event.

https://events.democrats.org/event/693000/

In other news, the lies Trump, Vance and their campaign have created against Springfield continues to have much of the town locked down due to threats and harassment. They have received bomb threads and shooting threats:

https://x.com/BGrueskin/status/1835662450764497359

If anyone continues to have this "both sides are equally awful" mindset, let's just keep in mind there is ONE side doing things like this.

[Andrew NDB]

Okay, okay, enough joking around :lol:

As long as you're amusing yourself.

[Mayhem]

As long as you're amusing yourself.
Well we have to, most Republican supporters right now have the same sense of humour of a German… especially given their own side is trying to kill the balding Messiah, I mean DonOLD…

[ZariusTwo]

Okay, okay, enough joking around :lol:

Oprah Winfrey is doing a livestream "virtual rally" event with Kamala on Thursday, September 19 at 8pm ET. You can sign up for the event.

How fitting because everything Hyena Harris says is artificial :lol:

[Zulithe]

As long as you're amusing yourself.
Well SOMEONE has to be entertaining around here. This forum feels like when you go to the movies and out of 300 seats you are one of only 3 taken. You're still there for the show but it just feels kinda sad.
How fitting because everything Hyena Harris says is artificial :lol:
Keep working on that standup routine my guy!

[Cowabung-Gal]

As far as comedy goes, these people are good. :lol:

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[ranger_scout]

The vice president's interview with Oprah Winfrey did not go well.

https://www.newsweek.com/kamala-harris-oprah-interview-donald-trump-maga-1956729

[Zulithe]

The interview went fine. oh, MAGA social media influencers are mocking the interview... what a shock. Like of course they are. Just like people on my side can't help but double over laughing anytime Trump opens his mouth.

or when he repeatedly endorsed a black n@zi, a GOP Gov nominee in North Carolina this election, and called him greater than MLKJ

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ONLY THE BEST PEOPLE!

[FredWolfLeonardo]

or when he repeatedly endorsed a black n@zi, a GOP Gov nominee in North Carolina this election, and called him greater than MLKJ

He's not wrong. MLKJ sucks.

[Barkworm]

He's not wrong. MLKJ sucks.
Now you're just trolling.

[Andrew NDB]

https://i.ibb.co/3cb7RFy/460824075-10234724776839314-5168514888233511935-n.jpg

[Mayhem]

At least she has a sense of humour unlike dour DonOLD…

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[Cowabung-Gal]

It takes time for reliable information on these shooters to come out but early information points to him being trump voter.

As it turns out, Ryan Routh is a Biden supporter, Ukraine enthusiast, and another wacko who thinks he’s saving the country from what the media and government paint as “a threat to democracy”.

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[Zulithe]

I have no defense for any would-be assassin of a political figure as I condemn anything of that sort, but I will offer my own brief dissection of his character and mindset based on what we currently know.

He supported Trump in 2016 and apparently up to around 2020 when he soured on him and his policies over time. He did support Democrat candidates after that which you'll notice coincides with around the time of the Russo-Ukrainian war was ramping up, which he makes clear in his writings was a real passion for him. The USA has been a big supporter of Ukraine particularly under Biden whereas Trump would rather pull our support from there, so you can see how this would impact his feelings.

He appeared to be fully behind then-Democrat Tulsi Gabbard and her bid for the 2020 presidential nomination, which Joe Biden eventually won.

He later soured on Gabbard for what he perceived as her alignment with Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin, writing on X in 2022, "why don't you go and Join Putin and trump and be their third wheel."

There was no immediate evidence in Routh's social media postings that he was ever a supporter of Biden or Vice President Kamala Harris.

He threw his 2020 Democratic presidential support behind Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., while deriding "sleepy Joe" who "stands for nothing; no plans, no ideas, just as limp hillary," he wrote on March 4, 2020.

In his book, listed on Amazon and viewed by the AP, Routh noted, “I get so tired of people asking me if I am a Democrat or Republican as I refuse to be put in a category.”

The truth is that he did have support for Democrats most recently, but he supported candidates across the spectrum and seems less interested in parties and more in policy related to conflicts we are involved in. One comment I read on Facebook described him: "He looks like a MAGA republican but is a registered democrat" which I get, however, he's actually registered as Unafilliated and has been for a long time according to Politifact.

He also supported Hailey and Ramaswamy...
But Routh also wrote in support of Republican presidential primary candidates Nikki Haley and Vivek Ramaswamy, addressing each of them on Jan. 9 with a plea to team up for a White House bid. "Join forces with Nikki Hailey now as VP to make a winning team..please," he wrote to Ramaswamy, misspelling Haley’s name.

So really, he was all over the place.

https://www.politifact.com/article/2024/sep/17/trump-apparent-assassination-attempt-what-we-know/

My own theory as to why he might have wanted to assassinate Trump: If Trump became President, he would pull support for Ukraine which he absolutely does not want to happen.

[Mayhem]

Also so I read, he posted last year that Iran was free to go assassinate Trump, so I figure given they did not execute that request, he tried himself…

[Zulithe]

I'm a fan of Channel 5 and they have new video pertaining to the border crisis. There is a ton of talk about the border particularly during election season, but not enough awareness as to why it's actually happening. I recommend watching their videos on this and other subjects:

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[FredWolfLeonardo]

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/09/20/politics/video/trump-criticizes-jewish-voters-ctm-digvid

Trump says that any Jewish person who votes for Kamala should have their head examined and that they would have alot to do with if he loses the election.

[Bahamut810]

I'm a fan of Channel 5 and they have new video pertaining to the border crisis. There is a ton of talk about the border particularly during election season, but not enough awareness as to why it's actually happening. I recommend watching their videos on this and other subjects:

Mg9WWZTXKuE

Im perfectly ok with people legally coming to the USA. I am not ok with Criminals coming into the country. Everyone who crosses the border illegally is a criminal, and their first act coming into this country is to break at least one of our laws.

If we are going to be expected to take care of the citizens of **** hole countries (to use Trumps terminology) then we should probably pull back from doing Europe's job protecting their neighbors from Russia and Palestine and put Central and South America in order. I don't think we should be invading countries, but if we have to spend the money either way around...I think its a much better use of time and money to get rid of cartels to let people live peacefully in their own countries then bankrupt our own citizens like what's happening in New York.

This is a valuable lesson though. Their Socialist Dictatorship was built upon disarming the population.

[Galactus]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GYDRy_8XcAAVwd9?format=jpg

So what is his policy to make women sexy?


"I KNOW I SAID THIS IN 2016 BUT THIS TIME I REALLY MEAN IT" - so is he admitting he lied or didn't try to make America great again last time.

Take a good look folks. This is your god.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

So what is his policy to make women sexy?

I assume by destroying transgender rights, for a start.

Also, he is right about meaning it this time. Trump was way too soft in his first term.

A second Trump term would be far more vengeful and radical.

[Barkworm]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GYDRy_8XcAAVwd9?format=jpg

So what is his policy to make women sexy?


"I KNOW I SAID THIS IN 2016 BUT THIS TIME I REALLY MEAN IT" - so is he admitting he lied or didn't try to make America great again last time.

Take a good look folks. This is your god.

You know, this is not real, right?

[Galactus]

You know, this is not real, right?

Honestly I didn't. My bad, I should have checked...but let's be honest his actual 'truths' are pretty close to this so I could be forgiven for thinking it was real. This is totally something he'd crap out at 2 AM in an anti Taylor Swift rage.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

You know, this is not real, right?

I got fooled too, but as Galactus said, not far from off what he would actually say.

[Coola Yagami]

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[ResidentEvil7]

I originally didn't want to get involved in this topic because of some of the toxic hate and lies from some of you liberal leftist you have on my favorite President Trump. But this time, I will.

I saw a video on YouTube and read a lot of the comments and it looks like the Democrat party is in a lot more trouble with voters than the media is indicating. The people in the following video and comments were once Democrats, including minority people and are switching to being a Trump Republican. Seriously, the Trump haters should just shut up and deal with it!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPn7gnKPvuY&ab_channel=ARighteousPerspective

[Andrew NDB]

Honestly I didn't. My bad, I should have checked...but let's be honest his actual 'truths' are pretty close to this so I could be forgiven for thinking it was real. This is totally something he'd crap out at 2 AM in an anti Taylor Swift rage.

Just the same as everyone and their mom sharing (and it still happens) the made up quote of Trump saying "If I were to run for president I'd run as republican. Because people are so stupid," etc..

[Cowabung-Gal]

mc1W_Pys88U

Just don’t show this to Eric Swalwell or he will have another fit.

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/09/10/21/89503167-13835395-Rep_Eric_Swalwell_D_CA_reacts_to_a_committee_s_twe et_utilizing_A-a-23_1725998740768.jpg

[Zulithe]

Here he goes threatening me with a good time.

https://deadline.com/2024/09/trump-rules-out-2028-run-1236096680/

We are so close to being rid of him for good

[CyberCubed]

In 2028, Trump will be 82. Even if he's still alive, I doubt he'll be healthy enough to do anything.

[Cowabung-Gal]

We are so close to being rid of him for good

Au contraire. Even if he does lose, even if someone does manage to successfully assassinate him before or after the election, he will still live rent-free in your head. Him losing the 2020 election didn’t cure people of their Trump obsession, did it? CNN analyst Asha Rangappa even blamed Trump for the Will Smith-Chris Rock slap incident at the Oscars. :lol:

[Andrew NDB]

They'll find another Trump/Same as Hitler, etc., watch. When Obama didn't lead to a forever reich of the left, anyone interrupting that is clearly a dictator/evil/fill-in-the-blank.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Trump will meet his time one day, but the MAGA movement will live on.

[Andrew NDB]

I don't agree much with MAGA either

To me, personally, it's such a weird thing. "Make America Great Again." And I understand that it's divisive in this climate... but shouldn't making America great again be on everyone's mind who is an American? It seems to me the pushback against it is... in itself even more divisive. Because it's rooted in "Well when was America great?! When there was slavery? Jim Crow?!" No. We're talking about like, the f***ing 90s, you insane weirdos. My first best friend in kindergarten was black because he was cool and we even ended up trading TMNTA comics. I never saw race.

[Cowabung-Gal]

My first best friend in kindergarten was black because he was cool and we even ended up trading TMNTA comics. I never saw race.

Ah, but don’t you see? You’re supposed to see race. After all, every race is beautiful…

except white of course.

https://lh7-us.googleusercontent.com/0ZmBGyk3EOGE9sBjGY0mFG-S9LdNkK3K1k-xrqFuI7RUDxs8484LHNw5tAvFHmNFWQLLdoQiALIlU_ZdoeuGZ qLi6yNyEZ6tyoDZK2k3ipiYYck24m8HBJOah9iiA06bpH_KXws OgMTJWhwDLiU3voU

[Zulithe]

You think Trump is talking about the 90s when he says MAGA... you know he thought of the term and trademarked it in 2012 (btw, Bill Clinton actually said it more than once in the 90s so Trump basically stole it anyway.) So when he said 'again' he was literally talking about only 12 years prior? Yeah right. Nobody is buying that. He is absolutely evoking the 1950s or thereabouts. And I can totally see the nostalgia for such a period but certainly not if you were non-white in the USA. Many of them find it quite insulting when you literally say "we need to go back to that"

[Andrew NDB]

Blah blah, derangement.

[Zulithe]

Blah blah, derangement.
When you just dismiss someone else's opinions when they disagree with you then you've already lost.

I don't operate inside your Trump loving bubble and thank goodness for that. I don't play by your rules.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

He is absolutely evoking the 1950s or thereabouts. And I can totally see the nostalgia for such a period but certainly not if you were non-white in the USA. Many of them find it quite insulting when you literally say "we need to go back to that"

1950s? Ughh.... Too hippie.

1780s, yeah THAT's more like it.

[Barkworm]

Yeah, there‘s a good percentage of the MAGA crowd who absolutely believes ‘great‘ was before 1964. It‘s certainly not about the 90s because those were the Clinton years and no Republican is nostalgic about them. For most conservatives, it‘s probably the 1980s since conservative Americans loved Ronald Reagan so much.

[Prowler]

Yeah, there‘s a good percentage of the MAGA crowd who absolutely believe ‘great‘ was before 1964. It‘s certainly not about the 90s because those were the Clinton years and no Republican is nostalgic about them. For most conservatives, it‘s probably the 1980s since conservative Americans loved Ronald Reagan so much.

It's odd since that type of American tends to be super patriotic and consider USA the best nation in the world. So aren't they contradicting themselves by saying "Make American Great Again"?

Sounds like they want to go back to the post-WW2 years when USA was by far better off than the rest of the world, as if they're upset many countries have caught up and even surpassed USA in some areas since then.

...or maybe they just simply want black people to use different toilets again. But they probably don't have the balls to publicly admit that.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

It's odd since that type of American tends to be super patriotic and consider USA the best nation in the world. So aren't they contradicting themselves by saying "Make American Great Again"?

Trump doesn't say that the US is currently great, he says that it is currently a failing nation.

The MAGA Lore runs deep.

[Barkworm]

Has anyone ever asked Trump when he thought America was great for the last time? My guess is that he‘d pinpoint it on the Reagan years. Surely it‘s not the Bush Jr era when the Great Recession started. Also Bush and Trump hate each other so there‘s that.

[Cowabung-Gal]

...or maybe they just simply want black people to use different toilets again.

Sadly, we just might be getting to that point.

Nowadays, it’s called giving non-white people a “safe space” because it sounds prettier than straight up “segregation”.

https://www.city-journal.org/article/the-state-of-chaz

https://reason.com/2020/08/24/black-nyu-students-segregated-housing-race/

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-furedi-safe-space-20170105-story.html

https://www.cbsnews.com/texas/news/wellesley-schools-lawsuit-white-students-banned-blue-lives-matter/

https://nypost.com/2023/02/07/washingtons-centennial-elementary-backpedals-minority-only-club-after-outrage/

https://www.thefire.org/news/trend-racially-segregated-campus-events-putting-institutions-dangerous-legal-ground

[Mayhem]

Yeah, there‘s a good percentage of the MAGA crowd who absolutely believes ‘great‘ was before 1964. It‘s certainly not about the 90s because those were the Clinton years and no Republican is nostalgic about them. For most conservatives, it‘s probably the 1980s since conservative Americans loved Ronald Reagan so much.
Knowing some of the people on my FB feed who are spouting the anti Kamala, pro Trump rhetoric, definitely, absolutely they take MAGA to mean before all these dirty non-whites had rights or were prevalent in their god given country.

[ranger_scout]

The interview went fine. oh, MAGA social media influencers are mocking the interview... what a shock. Like of course they are. Just like people on my side can't help but double over laughing anytime Trump opens his mouth.



She still shouldn't have said this.

https://x.com/USA_Polling/status/1836955177162575993

Her advisor said it was a "joke".

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4891685-harris-vp-shoot-joke/

[Barkworm]

Of course it was a joke. A very transparent one to cater to the gun nuts.

[Andrew NDB]

Of course it was a joke. A very transparent one to cater to the gun nuts.

Completely. And very transparently. "Oops! I accidentally just appealed to middle America/independents who are wondering about my policies because I won't say! Heehee!"

[ranger_scout]

The man who tried to assassinate Trump in West Palm Beach, Florida wrote a bombshell letter saying, "I failed you." He also said that he would offer $150,000 to someone who would finish the job.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/trump-assassination-suspect-wrote-chilling-letter-months-before-golf-course-plot-i-failed-you

https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/23/politics/ryan-wesley-routh-trump-assassination-attempt-letter/index.html

[Zulithe]

I mean I don't literally know what she has in her home but I don't think she was joking about the gun ownership and self defense. She was interjecting some humor in her comment but her position is serious. I think that's the position of most Americans, the right to defend themselves, their homes, their family in the event of something awful. The right doesn't own that. Something very refreshing about the Kamala/Walz ticket is they aren't afraid to speak openly about it, too many Dems avoid topics like that completely.

RESPONSIBLE and sensible gun ownership and use. Very different from the "let's turn a blind eye every time there is a school shooting with a semi automatic weapon" we see from the right.

[ResidentEvil7]

The first possible day voting starts in Illinois, I'm voting TRUMP, because he was better than what the past 4 years have been.

I live on a fixed income I get disability and I'm sick of having to pay twice as much for essentials, gas, natural gas for my coach house and car insurance; I'm sick of all these immigrants coming and wrecking our neighborhoods, living better lives at the expense of citizens, and them stealing jobs from us (I'd rather have a job than living on disability and SNAP); I'm sick of the wars the Democrats are funding; I'm sick of anti-white male woke culture; I don't want 87,000 IRS agents coming after the citizens; and I want to live safe from crime, including being safe to go back to Chicago's Chinatown again.

Democrats are just stupid, hateful, sickening, and contempt people who voted for all the hardships America had to put up with for 4 years and I'm sick of them all!

[Andrew NDB]

I don't want to get my hopes up, but there may be a not-so-secret red wave coming. Anecdotally I've been seeing more and more people in the business sector who are like, "I normally really love to vote democrat... but there's no way I can do that this time!"

[Zulithe]

You think that once Biden became president that immediately every single thing that happened was his fault, that is very short sighted. The way the economy works is when something good or bad happens to influence it, it can take years for the true impact to be seen. I'm not an economist but that's the gist of it.

https://i.imgur.com/St1UxrFl.jpg

Trump rode Obama's strong economy through the early part of his presidency. Then covid hit, and we were impacted by it worse than many of our peer countries because Trump dismantled the pandemic response team in 2018 (https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-fire-pandemic-team/) so our country was not properly prepared to deal with it. Then Biden took office and inherited the entire mess and has spent most of his presidency trying to get things back on track.

Happens time and time again. Republicans get in office, all they want to do is cut taxes when our economy was going strong. Then things crater.

When Republicans act like they are gonna fix things, don't believe the lies. If you buy into it... read some books.

[Andrew NDB]

Obama's strong economy

How can you even write that with a straight face? Do you forget the actual recession/depression we had? Followed by major bailouts with taxpayer money, to boot? By some small miracle I was able to keep my job but hundreds of thousands of others weren't so lucky.

[ResidentEvil7]

How can you even write that with a straight face? Do you forget the actual recession/depression we had? Followed by major bailouts with taxpayer money, to boot? By some small miracle I was able to keep my job but hundreds of thousands of others weren't so lucky.

My then truck driver father lost his job in 2010 because of Obama's crap economy. He had to take a job he REALLY hated at Conway through an employment agency. We almost lost our house then because money wasn't coming in, and I didn't have SSI then until 5 years later.

So don't give me your liberal crap Zulithe about how everything is Trump's fault, because he's not yet the president. Harris and Biden have been in the Executive Office for almost 4 years and they canceled the oil and gas pipelines on their first day and since then, prices for everything have gone up, they let illegal immigrants in which are being funded by social security and so much else!

The only thing that makes a Democrap happy is hate and misery they have for everyone who's not like them!

[Barkworm]

Wait, what? The Great Recession started in 2007, if it was the fault of a US president it was Bush Jr's.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Wait, what? The Great Recession started in 2007, if it was the fault of a US president it was Bush Jr's.

I hate Bush so no disagreement there. Additionally, Iraq and Afghanistan will forever be a stain on that evil man's legacy.

[Mayhem]

Yeah, basically most of what you perceive as “Trump handling the economy well” was off the coat tails of Obama resolving the fallout from the recession (a GLOBAL issue I will point out again as it certainly nuked many things here too) and then screwing the pooch repeatedly with a double ended dildo when Covid came down.

But it wasn’t just Trump, Republican presidents generally spike the deficit and Democratic presidents work to bring it back down again… albeit Trump was off the scale…


https://i.imgur.com/v3M7Kmr.png


RESPONSIBLE and sensible gun ownership and use. Very different from the "let's turn a blind eye every time there is a school shooting with a semi automatic weapon" we see from the right.
Indeed. As a former DA I’m sure she got threats, so her owning a gun isn’t particularly surprising to me.

[TMNT is cooler than MOTU]

The first possible day voting starts in Illinois, I'm voting TRUMP, because he was better than what the past 4 years have been.

I live on a fixed income I get disability and I'm sick of having to pay twice as much for essentials, gas, natural gas for my coach house and car insurance; I'm sick of all these immigrants coming and wrecking our neighborhoods, living better lives at the expense of citizens, and them stealing jobs from us (I'd rather have a job than living on disability and SNAP); I'm sick of the wars the Democrats are funding; I'm sick of anti-white male woke culture; I don't want 87,000 IRS agents coming after the citizens; and I want to live safe from crime, including being safe to go back to Chicago's Chinatown again.

Democrats are just stupid, hateful, sickening, and contempt people who voted for all the hardships America had to put up with for 4 years and I'm sick of them all!

And when they take away your precious benefits, I'm sure you'll find some way to blame minorities and Democrats.

Time to pull yourself up by those boot straps and get a job like a real American!

[ResidentEvil7]

And when they take away your precious benefits, I'm sure you'll find some way to blame minorities and Democrats.

Time to pull yourself up by those boot straps and get a job like a real American!

Piss up a rope, Democrat! I did try to get a job, but I kept either getting turned down, or I didn't pass the personality assessments. So don't give me your liberal bullsh*t crap!

Anyway...

Take a look at the following video. It's more evidence the people of different ages and races and genders were once Democrat are now shifting to being a Trump Republican. This is good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgB6OMF2y1s&ab_channel=AmirOdom

[CyberCubed]

Most of those immigrants are not getting the jobs you think they're getting. They're working in sweatshops or are cleaners/dishwashers in restaurants.

[ResidentEvil7]

Most of those immigrants are not getting the jobs you think they're getting. They're working in sweatshops or are cleaners/dishwashers in restaurants.

I still would rather an American teenager or young adult with little or no experience get those jobs and not a lawbreaking boarder jumper.

[Mayhem]

I still would rather an American teenager or young adult with little or no experience get those jobs and not a lawbreaking boarder jumper.
Spoiler alert, most Americans don’t want to do that sort of work, why do you think it’s mostly immigrants doing it? And it’s nothing to do with being able to pay the immigrants less, because it’s crap to begin with.

There’s been a drop in people picking fruit and vegetables here since Brexit, because guess what, a lot of the folks here don’t want to do it and now that freedom of movement and living for people from the EU is radically restricted, most of the workers who used to do it can no longer come here to do it.

[Autbot_Benz]

Piss up a rope, Democrat! I did try to get a job, but I kept either getting turned down, or I didn't pass the personality assessments. So don't give me your liberal bullsh*t crap!

Anyway...

Take a look at the following video. It's more evidence the people of different ages and races and genders were once Democrat are now shifting to being a Trump Republican. This is good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgB6OMF2y1s&ab_channel=AmirOdom

gee I can see why you failed the personality tests lol :roll: .

[Andrew NDB]

Most of those immigrants are not getting the jobs you think they're getting. They're working in sweatshops or are cleaners/dishwashers in restaurants.

They're working all over the place. They're working in court houses, hotels, restaurants and you name it. They "help each other out" and most employee screening companies don't dig very hard to see if a SSN is legit or not.

[ranger_scout]

Here's proof that Harris is the most anti-Catholic candidate imaginable.

https://www.ncregister.com/cna/kamala-harris-to-skip-al-smith-dinner

[Zulithe]

How can you even write that with a straight face? Do you forget the actual recession/depression we had? Followed by major bailouts with taxpayer money, to boot? By some small miracle I was able to keep my job but hundreds of thousands of others weren't so lucky.
what you seem to be talking about is the banking crisis and it had nothing to do with Obama or his policies.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/09/05/trump-obama-economy/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007%E2%80%932008_financial_crisis

Some of y'all have real short memories. Oh, right, you're gonna vote for Trump again... that's a given.

And I'll leave everyone with some comedy for tonight: https://x.com/JohnF1CDO/status/1837987332877602935

[Zulithe]

FBI confirms US murders declined in 2023, contrary to Republican claims

Murder dropped by more than 11% from 2022 to 2023, the largest single-year decline in two decades, according to FBI data released on Monday.

Meanwhile, the broader category of violent crime nationwide decreased about 3%, said the data, which is audited and confirms earlier reporting from unaudited statistics.

Monday’s release of audited data contradicts a talking point that Donald Trump has made on the campaign trail as the Republican presidential nominee seeks a return to the White House during the 5 November election: that crime has been rampant and out of control without him in power.
source https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/sep/23/violent-crime-murder-rate-fbi-2023

Violent crime is not going up. What is going up is coverage of what crime does happen, due to bodycameras, cctv cameras, and cellphones being literally everywhere.

[Mayhem]

Violent crime is not going up. What is going up is coverage of what crime does happen, due to bodycameras, cctv cameras, and cellphones being literally everywhere.
It's a pseudo Mandela effect. The same occurred regarding child abductions and crimes in the 70s, maybe the 80s. People started to think a lot more of them were occurring. The statistics showed otherwise, what WAS happening was that those sort of crimes were being reported to the police more often, and were more publicly reported via news media etc.

[Zulithe]

Robinson rejected offers of tech help to investigate posts on porn site, sources say

Lt. Gov. Mark Robinson's alleged rejection of the offers sowed doubt among some staff members, people familiar with the matter tell WRAL. His response in the wake of the report likely played a role in the exodus of members of his gubernatorial campaign staff, they said.


https://www.wral.com/story/robinson-rejected-offers-of-tech-help-to-investigate-posts-on-porn-site-sources-say/21638904/


lol, he's totally guilty.
If it's not true why isn't he suing CNN? Cause he knows he can't win.

[Mayhem]

Trump goes off at John Deere with threatening tariffs if they move jobs to Mexico.

https://x.com/dcpoll/status/1838330502127981037

Problem is... Trump replaced NAFTA with the USMCA, which ironically allows big businesses to offshore jobs while setting specific rules for trade within North America. Despite this, it seems clear that Trump doesn't fully understand his own policies, as he continues to threaten companies like John Deere with tariffs if they move jobs to Mexico. Under USMCA’s country of origin rules, products must have 75% of their components made in North America to qualify for tariff-free trade. This was meant to keep production closer to home, but it still allowed businesses to take advantage of Mexico's lower labor costs.

The labor provisions in USMCA were put in place to improve conditions for Mexican workers, making it slightly more expensive to offshore jobs, but it doesn’t stop companies from doing so. Trump's threats of tariffs don't align with the very agreement he signed, further proving he doesn’t fully grasp the trade policies he pushed through.

Additionally, while he's targeting American companies like John Deere, the USMCA actually gave U.S. farmers more access to the Canadian dairy market, something he celebrated. That benefit highlights the complexity of trade agreements. They're not just about penalizing companies but creating mutual benefits, which Trump seems to overlook.

Regarding intellectual property and digital trade, USMCA modernizes protections for U.S. tech and media companies, making it easier for them to operate across North America, but this has nothing to do with stopping the offshoring of manufacturing jobs, which Trump continues to fixate on despite his lack of understanding.

Finally, there's the sunset clause, which mandates a review of USMCA in 16 years. If Trump believes his own trade deal is flawed, perhaps his focus should be on preparing for renegotiation instead of making threats that contradict the very policies he doesn’t seem to comprehend.

[Andrew NDB]

Violent crime is not going up. What is going up is coverage of what crime does happen, due to bodycameras, cctv cameras, and cellphones being literally everywhere.

If this is even true (and are we sure it is? didn't the media just get in trouble for not reporting whole key cities like Chicago the last time they trotted out "violent crime is way down!"?) it's not very surprising... violent offenders are not really being prosecuted anymore. If they're not charged with a crime it's not going down as a crime.

[ResidentEvil7]

I live outside Chicago and according to ABC 7 Eyewitness News, and FOX Chicago News, violent crime covers about half their hour-long broadcast. I don't buy for a fact that crime and violence is going down. If anything I see it go up, because I see at least 4 shooting stories in an hour's broadcast every day.

[Zulithe]

I live outside Chicago and according to ABC 7 Eyewitness News, and FOX Chicago News, violent crime covers about half their hour-long broadcast. I don't buy for a fact that crime and violence is going down. If anything I see it go up, because I see at least 4 shooting stories in an hour's broadcast every day.
Does it really come as a surprise that the media loves to cover crime because it is very engaging to viewers? Keeps them watching more often and for longer periods, which is their goal.

Have you ever seen the movie NIGHTCRAWLER? I highly recommend it.

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It's a film not a documentary but it gives you some idea that world.

[Zulithe]

PBS does these every election year. Airing tonight.

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[ranger_scout]

U.S. senator Joe Manchin will not endorse Harris after she said on a Wisconsin public radio station that she wants to eliminate the filibuster to codify Roe V. Wade. U.S. senator Krysten Sinema also heavily criticized Harris for this.

https://www.newsweek.com/kamala-harris-blasted-manchin-sinema-filibuster-plan-shame-her-1958868

[Bahamut810]

I would be suprised if NY goes blue this year. NYC is in a crisis because of Immigration. This guy was a real estate/rental property youtuber and because of the horrible market he has started talking about current events. Their Sanctuary City status is BREAKING the city because they are getting a a good portion of Bidens requested immigrant wave.

https://youtu.be/jc_ymxf-oMA?si=akQcrtsjOIHr7jkU

[Zulithe]

it's out. bless pbs always putting their full programs online!

almost 2 hours might want to open in a new tab if you intend to watch.

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[Mayhem]

I’ll have to see if I can VPN it as it’s only valid to watch inside the US…

[Zulithe]

Trump MIA on NRCC fundraising


https://punchbowl.news/article/election-2024/trump-fails-to-give-nrcc-any-money/

Vice President Kamala Harris recently transferred $10 million to the DCCC. How much has former President Donald Trump given the NRCC? Not one red cent.

Trump also has yet to appear at a major fundraising event for the NRCC, leaving a huge, eight-figure hole in the committee’s budget. Meanwhile, the Republican National Committee hasn’t given to the House GOP’s campaign arm all cycle.

As Republicans have grown increasingly alarmed by their massive cash gap with Democrats, securing a Trump fundraising event has become a top priority for House GOP leaders.

Senior House Republicans, including NRCC Chair Richard Hudson, have been privately lobbying Trump to speak at an NRCC event, according to multiple GOP sources. So far, they’ve had no luck.

Trump interested in lining his own pockets by selling digital trading cards for $99 each and the like to his devotees. He has no interest in the republican party he claims to be the leader of.

[Zulithe]

Kamala economic agenda

https://x.com/josephzeballos/status/1839032131059958070?s=46