The 2024 presidential election

[Andrew NDB]

C74K8_3VzT8

Ouch. There goes Pence's presidential chances.

[neatoman]

Any ideas who'll become the president this time? I'm pretty sure Biden essentially got the job because he wasn't Trump, he seems a bit of a hard sell on his own.

[Andrew NDB]

Any ideas who'll become the president this time? I'm pretty sure Biden essentially got the job because he wasn't Trump, he seems a bit of a hard sell on his own.

Before I was saying there was no chance of Trump winning, because it's not like he's won over any new independents since 2020... the opposite, if anything. What I'm hearing more and more anecdotally, though, and what gives a little bit of hope, is a lot of Biden voters who are saying they're not going to change their vote and vote for Trump, of course, but they're just not going to vote at all in 2024.

[Coola Yagami]

I'm sure part of it is Trump fanboy-ism but it seems every time he gets indicted or sent to court or whatever else, his followers are expecting an epic backfire and I keep hearing phrases like 'WTF LMAO ARE THEY PURPOSELY TRYING TO HAND HIM THE ELECTION?'

Not sure if there's a nugget of truth in there somewhere, but he has seem to be gaining some new people with the 'constantly being persecuted' angle the left just won't give up on.

[Andrew NDB]

Not sure if there's a nugget of truth in there somewhere, but he has seem to be gaining some new people with the 'constantly being persecuted' angle the left just won't give up on.

That helps him cinch the nomination, not with voters. The "they're after me! I'm a victim!" isn't going to help him, even if it's true. Trump needs to get back to all the "I'm fighting for YOU!" stuff from 2016.

[Autbot_Benz]

I am just here for the Trump/Maga Nuts going at it with the Desantis followers that's gonna be fun to watch

[Barkworm]

I am just here for the Trump/Maga Nuts going at it with the Desantis followers that's gonna be fun to watch

Are there even any Desantis fans here?

[Bahamut810]

Its been a staple of politics for a long while for sections of the population to vote against someone rather then for someone, and I think that this is probably going to be one of the worst "not him" elections in history.

You have an ancient dementia patient as the incumbent. I don't know who the republicans could run but if its Trump again...I don't even know. Trump really needs to step aside and let someone else run on the republican side.

[Cowabung-Gal]

DeSantis had a chance at beating Trump, but then he had to post that AI photo of Trump hugging Fauci. If he had instead hired an artist to draw a political cartoon of Trump hugging Fauci, that’d be different, because AI is meant to look so realistic to the point that you can’t even tell that it’s fake, so Trump supporters or Trump’s critics would look at that photo and think that Trump really did that. That’s pretty deceptive and it made a lot of people ditch DeSantis in favor of Trump.

[Coola Yagami]

Are there even any Desantis fans here?

I was for the short time the vaccine restrictions got out of control. He stood firm against them and even offered work for any officer fired in Cali over not getting the worthless thing.

But after that though, he pretty much went off the rails.

[Autbot_Benz]

Are there even any Desantis fans here?

I didn't mean here I just meant in general.

[Zulithe]

Vivek Ramaswamy is starting to look like a smart choice on the R side. DeSantis is a buffoon. Pence is not even remotely a contender. Their party really needs to move past trump and get some new energy. People should start looking into Vivek.

Trump is a con man, a crooked business man. America deserves better.

[TheCanadiandrome]

The comedy act should be more entertainment then it’s ever been in past elections. Assuming Trump gets the nomination and can run from prison if or when he finally goes to prison, the clowns will be in full force. Whoever wins the Presidentacy will be f**ked from the get go given how badly in shape the “Good Ole U..S..of..A” is lately

[ChosenOne]

The clowns seem to have started early.

[Dpooly84]

The funniest posts are the Canadians calling Trump racists while there pm literally has done black face multiple times. Oh how about we look at him trying to tell Islamic citizens that they're being brainwashed by far right Americans.

[Andrew NDB]

Are there even any Desantis fans here?

I'd probably fit that bill. He fights for key issues well, does so in a way that doesn't stir up a hornets nest culturally, is a good enough speaker, and gets results. Though I'm sure he'd become the media Devil soon enough if he nabbed the nomination but at least it wouldn't be this built in thing, vs. with Trump where if you even say his name at the wrong dinner table faces will turn red with overfilling anger.

Vivek is fine, too. I wouldn't be upset if he was the nominee, either.

[Dpooly84]

I'd probably fit that bill. He fights for key issues well, does so in a way that doesn't stir up a hornets nest culturally, is a good enough speaker, and gets results. Though I'm sure he'd become the media Devil soon enough if he nabbed the nomination but at least it wouldn't be this built in thing, vs. with Trump where if you even say his name at the wrong dinner table faces will turn red with overfilling anger.

Vivek is fine, too. I wouldn't be upset if he was the nominee, either.

I feel like Vivek is going to link up with Trump and become the first Indian vp

[TurtleManiac]

C74K8_3VzT8

Ouch. There goes Pence's presidential chances.

The fly landing on Pence’s head during the 2020 debates has become symbolic of his character.

Trump really needs to step aside and let someone else run on the republican side.

Not happening.

Vivek Ramaswamy is starting to look like a smart choice on the R side. DeSantis is a buffoon. Pence is not even remotely a contender. Their party really needs to move past trump and get some new energy. People should start looking into Vivek.

Trump is a con man, a crooked business man. America deserves better.

America thought they were getting better by getting rid of Trump, but that sure backfired, badly. Look how bad things have gotten all over the world since he left office. Alot of politicians on both sides are con men/ crooked business men, that’s how their net worth goes way up and they become millionaires/billionaires as public servants. Even the current guy has more shady business dealings in other countries.

At least Trump did put America first. His business experience led to a great economy. He don’t need money laundering and scams like most lying backstabbing crooked politicians. He got his own money. Trump is upfront and delivers as promised vs the Biden admin virtue signaling and lying about things like “student loan forgiveness” and “reparations” to get more votes.

The scariest thing coming out of the Biden admin now is their new 2024 campaign slogan, “let’s finish the job”. America may not recover from another 4 years under the Biden admin.

[Mayhem]

I'd probably fit that bill. He fights for key issues well, does so in a way that doesn't stir up a hornets nest culturally, is a good enough speaker, and gets results. Though I'm sure he'd become the media Devil soon enough if he nabbed the nomination but at least it wouldn't be this built in thing, vs. with Trump where if you even say his name at the wrong dinner table faces will turn red with overfilling anger.
I don't normally support mega monolithic businesses, but I'm with Disney over DeSantis about what happened in Florida. That's gonna be a shadow over his campaign surely.

[Andrew NDB]

I don't normally support mega monolithic businesses, but I'm with Disney over DeSantis about what happened in Florida.

You're with Disney on their pressuring DeSantis to ease up on signing a bill telling schools not to teach sexual orientation and gender identity to K-3rd graders? Or do you mean you think they should keep their special land/tax privileges in Florida that DeSantis is trying to yank away as a result?

[Cowabung-Gal]

I don't normally support mega monolithic businesses, but

https://media.tenor.com/l3jwYKpE4j0AAAAC/im-going-to-stop-you-right-there-stop.gif

Think about what you just said. Just think about it

[Mayhem]

You're with Disney on their pressuring DeSantis to ease up on signing a bill telling schools not to teach sexual orientation and gender identity to K-3rd graders?
Now you're putting words into my mouth. That part, not really. Are schools really chomping at the bit to teach six year olds about alternative lifestyles or is it made up hysteria about what could happen but likely not a snowball in hell chance?

The bit about banning LGBT individuals from using their assigned gender bathrooms, definitely. Also the bits about "restricting reproductive health education in sixth through 12th grade; schools to teach that sex is determined by biology and reproductive function at birth; and that reproductive roles are binary, stable, and unchangeable.” among some other bits and pieces.

(for the record, we did all the reproduction sex stuff in seventh grade here, including watching education films about it I'm not sure they would show today. Oh and dissecting frogs and mice in the same year!)

Studies show that the more kids know earlier on in secondary school about sex education, all aspects, the lower the teen pregnancy rate tends to be. Although rates in the US have been coming down the last few years, they are still the highest in the developed world.

But I know you all think all trans people are mentally ill (reality, no they are not), so I'm bowing out of the discussion already as I'll get shouted down for even saying that here.

[IMJ]

Now you're putting words into my mouth. That part, not really. Are schools really chomping at the bit to teach six year olds about alternative lifestyles or is it made up hysteria about what could happen but likely not a snowball in hell chance?

The bit about banning LGBT individuals from using their assigned gender bathrooms, definitely. Also the bits about "restricting reproductive health education in sixth through 12th grade; schools to teach that sex is determined by biology and reproductive function at birth; and that reproductive roles are binary, stable, and unchangeable.” among some other bits and pieces.

(for the record, we did all the reproduction sex stuff in seventh grade here, including watching education films about it I'm not sure they would show today. Oh and dissecting frogs and mice in the same year!)

Studies show that the more kids know earlier on in secondary school about sex education, all aspects, the lower the teen pregnancy rate tends to be. Although rates in the US have been coming down the last few years, they are still the highest in the developed world.

But I know you all think all trans people are mentally ill (reality, no they are not), so I'm bowing out of the discussion already as I'll get shouted down for even saying that here.

Mayhem, as a trans person yourself I can understand how you would dig in on these things. And I think that it is obvious and clear to anyone who at least pauses to think about it that not all trans people are mentally ill.

But the real problem is that the public forum has been littered with the worst of your people for years now rather than the best of them. People having sex shows in front of children and crackpots with zits and yellow teeth on-camera going on about nonsense like "bathroom use".

The simple fact is that the nonsense topics that trans people seem to obsess with simply are distasteful and not prescient to the majority of normal and good people living their lives. And when you combine that with the loud mouthing, gas lighting and other social behaviors from the left that lack integrity completely (i.e. they say "you have an American flag on your shirt and so you are a right-wing extremist"), you have an absolute dumpster fire.

Nobody cares that you are trans, Mayhem. Everyone cares about what you bring into society however over what has become, quite frankly a nonsense and exhausting topic. Nonsense and exhausting is a dangerous combination when people grow tired of it.

[Andrew NDB]

Are schools really chomping at the bit to teach six year olds about alternative lifestyles or is it made up hysteria about what could happen but likely not a snowball in hell chance?

Absolutely.

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(for the record, we did all the reproduction sex stuff in seventh grade here, including watching education films about it I'm not sure they would show today. Oh and dissecting frogs and mice in the same year!)

Studies show that the more kids know earlier on in secondary school about sex education, all aspects, the lower the teen pregnancy rate tends to be. Although rates in the US have been coming down the last few years, they are still the highest in the developed world.

You're talking about "reproductive/sex education." I had that beginning in the 5th grade. This is a penis, this is a vagina, this is how a baby is made. Also, girls, you're about to start getting periods and this is why. Etcetera. What DeSantis is talking about is teaching kids about "gender identity" (as in, that there's many) and that there's multiple sexual orientations and they're all equally valid. That stuff has absolutely no role in the classroom.

This is a bit similar to the people saying, "They want to stop teaching about slavery in class!" when talking about removing critical race theory from the classroom.

[Bahamut810]

But the real problem is that the public forum has been littered with the worst of your people for years now rather than the best of them. People having sex shows in front of children and crackpots with zits and yellow teeth on-camera going on about nonsense like "bathroom use".

The simple fact is that the nonsense topics that trans people seem to obsess with simply are distasteful and not prescient to the majority of normal and good people living their lives. And when you combine that with the loud mouthing, gas lighting and other social behaviors from the left that lack integrity completely (i.e. they say "you have an American flag on your shirt and so you are a right-wing extremist"), you have an absolute dumpster fire.


Well, there are two things the community does. The above where it seems that children are being exposed to things that they probably shouldnt which has led to some laws.

The other is the authoritan stance that is happening on social media. You *will* use language I demand. You *will* find me attractive. Then the push that we see in neighboring countries to be able to legally enforce them (arresting comedians for bad jokes, and the law proposed in Minnesota I think to make misgendering someone illegal).

[Mayhem]

I have no idea where IMJ gets the idea I'm trans. I'm not. I have a couple of trans acquaintances, couple of gay mates, most are completely straight, male or female. Hell, I have more Muslim friends than gay :lol: I'm not even left wing or liberal, at least not by the actual meaning of the words, not the random ******** Americans believe.

What DeSantis is talking about is teaching kids about "gender identity" (as in, that there's many) and that there's multiple sexual orientations and they're all equally valid. That stuff has absolutely no role in the classroom.
We will agree to disagree there, but probably agree that it shouldn't be introduced until secondary school at minimum together with the sex education stuff. Yeah, I don't think it should be taught to primary school kids. If the WHO are stating that it's all genuine, that's a serious world reputation statement.

(I believe that sort of thing should be educated about, in the same way as other useful life skills are not, such as how to save money and invest and what doing tax refunds mean, how to do first aid, what the system about work and buying a house, and several others)

As for the TikTok teachers, that's staff, educators, please show me school policy instead, after all, aren't the teachers meant to be following a curriculum determined by the place they work at? If the school isn't sanctioning it, then surely they shouldn't be teaching it either?

[Wolfie65]

Politics is show biz for the ugly
- Rush Limbaugh, ca. 1990-onwards.
Even he didn't know just how right he was......

[Wednesday's Serial]

The idea anyone on here would support DeSantis is horrifying.
His don't say gay bills are doing actual harm, and have done damage to long-standing educators.
His stance on education has gotten countless books banned and is keeping kids from learning about things like slavery, stonewall, a history of police abuse, our history of white supremacy and how it inspired the Nazis, and other topics.
His stance on abortion has gotten women killed.
His stance on gun rights has gotten countless people killed, and none saved.
His stance on police has taken away rights and gotten people killed.
His stance on prison has runied countless lives.
His 'anti-woke' war is costing his state a severe amount of capital to deny reality as it exists.
His stance on immigration and worker pay is put together as a push to once again have a slave class.

The dude is straight evil.

Ya'll don't like Biden. Fine. But supporting this? I don't get it. We're here from a love of Ninja Turtles. I'd assume a certain appeal to a better tomorrow, doing right by others, and a vengeance for those who would hurt others based on prejudice. Hell, a certain love for the environment too. Instead, this? It's beyond dishearting. It's confusing, scary, and damning.

[Andrew NDB]

His don't say gay bills are doing actual harm, and have done damage to long-standing educators.

Good. Educators should be held accountable and leave the children alone. And it was never a "Don't Say Gay" bill, that was a term made up by the media, it was the "The Parental Rights in Education Act." Why on Earth would anyone bat an eyebrow at something that simply doesn't allow educators to discuss gender identity and sexual orientation with 3rd graders? Really, what's the reason?

His stance on education has gotten countless books banned

From school libraries, books ranging from anything from how to best do anal sex with your gay partner or transgender "how to" stuff.

and is keeping kids from learning about things like slavery,

A complete lie. Florida, like all states, is, was and will continue to always teach about slavery. They're required to and there isn't even one example of them pulling back on what has always being taught. What they will NOT allow is Critical Race Theory, which has crept into curriculums in the past few years and teaches that all institutions must be torn down and rebuilt and that white people are inherently evil.

stonewall, a history of police abuse, our history of white supremacy and how it inspired the Nazis, and other topics.

Total nonsense.

His stance on abortion has gotten women killed.

I'm not against abortion, but how? Let's see some examples.

His stance on gun rights has gotten countless people killed, and none saved.

Who are these mystery people, and how? Show your work. What, because he didn't pass some new crazy gun law? I haven't even seen one on the books or being proposed that would have stopped one shooting and, of course, we circle back to criminals just plain not following the law. Because they're criminals.

His stance on police has taken away rights and gotten people killed.

Now you're just rambling about nothing.

His stance on prison has runied countless lives.

What, in that we should have them and lock criminals up in them? gtfoh...

His 'anti-woke' war is costing his state a severe amount of capital to deny reality as it exists.

His state is doing fine. Great, even. That's why everyone is moving there.

His stance on immigration and worker pay is put together as a push to once again have a slave class.

Ridiculous. What, that illegal immigrants should be given the offer to be sent off to the sanctuary cities in the states that claim to want them, or that maybe -- shocker! -- they should just try to seek normal, legal immigration routes to begin with?

[Wednesday's Serial]

Don't say gay bill
https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/02/17/florida-advances-dont-say-gay-bill?gclid=Cj0KCQjwib2mBhDWARIsAPZUn_lKNa3NSUe1Omu ElaIWRGgNbNMllXYaet-6VY2uztI784NL-URGU4gaAiS8EALw_wcB

Education. Most scary he's firing people for upholding mandates which was their job, of which they would have been fired if they didn't at the time. https://www.politico.com/news/2023/05/26/desantis-florida-education-record-00099037

I mean ****ing hell listen to librarians on libraries at least: https://action.everylibrary.org/what_is_ron_desantis_thinking?gclid=Cj0KCQjwib2mBh DWARIsAPZUn_mBAxC--NdXaOW8MWR1jpR4xOrttbmWywQr8jzqq6b-HB7kuM6RJZ0aAioCEALw_wcB

To the abortion thing. https://www.wqcs.org/wqcs-news/2023-05-10/florida-hospital-association-issues-statewide-call-to-action-to-reduce-maternal-deaths

If the countless school shootings, grocery store shootings, and other shootings happening especially in Florida since his open carry law went into effect IDK what to tell you. Read... ANYTHING on the topic?

Dude, cops kill. Cops kill black people a lot. They tend to be more openly racist and prone to murder in Flordia. This is historically true. WTF how do you not know this? Are you from America?

I don't think locking people on more trumped-up chargers and misdemeanors but can't afford bail are helping anyone. Also they're making it a literal hell. https://www.tampabay.com/news/florida/2023/08/02/florida-prisons-inmates-heat-air-conditioning-fans-water-uniforms/

Oy. https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/06/economy/florida-convention-business-cancellations/index.html

And with your last comment, you're admitting to being a racist. Holy hell.
PAPERS PLEASE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPo70ObCL4U&ab_channel=MSNBC

[Andrew NDB]

Don't say gay bill
https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/02/17/florida-advances-dont-say-gay-bill?gclid=Cj0KCQjwib2mBhDWARIsAPZUn_lKNa3NSUe1Omu ElaIWRGgNbNMllXYaet-6VY2uztI784NL-URGU4gaAiS8EALw_wcB

Wrong. It wasn't ever called that, anywhere by the people who filed it. And there's nothing in that article that seems bad.

Education. Most scary he's firing people for upholding mandates which was their job, of which they would have been fired if they didn't at the time. https://www.politico.com/news/2023/05/26/desantis-florida-education-record-00099037

Good!

I mean ****ing hell listen to librarians on libraries at least: https://action.everylibrary.org/what_is_ron_desantis_thinking?gclid=Cj0KCQjwib2mBh DWARIsAPZUn_mBAxC--NdXaOW8MWR1jpR4xOrttbmWywQr8jzqq6b-HB7kuM6RJZ0aAioCEALw_wcB

Listen to the school librarians? Why?

To the abortion thing. https://www.wqcs.org/wqcs-news/2023-05-10/florida-hospital-association-issues-statewide-call-to-action-to-reduce-maternal-deaths

You're citing a local radio station article with no facts? Great.

If the countless school shootings, grocery store shootings, and other shootings happening especially in Florida since his open carry law went into effect IDK what to tell you. Read... ANYTHING on the topic?

Have you? Doesn't sound like it. We've had open carry here in WA since forever and this is hardly Beruit. Criminals will do whatever they want to do, they don't care what new leftist laws you want to pass.

Dude, cops kill. Cops kill black people a lot.

Cops kill a lot of criminals. And they kill WAY more white people than black people. It isn't even remotely close.

They tend to be more openly racist and prone to murder in Flordia. This is historically true. WTF how do you not know this? Are you from America?

There might be some. But was racism even brought up in any of these cop trials in any one of a number of examples you could throw out there? It never is because they know there's nothing there.

I don't think locking people on more trumped-up chargers and misdemeanors but can't afford bail are helping anyone. Also they're making it a literal hell. https://www.tampabay.com/news/florida/2023/08/02/florida-prisons-inmates-heat-air-conditioning-fans-water-uniforms/

I do. Do the crime, do the time. The stories about criminals with 30 felonies continually being let back out onto the streets until it ends in murders is pretty prevalent in states like WA and NY and CA and OR, all super "relaxed" in that way.

And with your last comment, you're admitting to being a racist. Holy hell.
PAPERS PLEASE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPo70ObCL4U&ab_channel=MSNBC

I'm sorry you don't know what words mean. gtfoh.

[Zulithe]

Wednesday's Serial, if you just want to argue and debate have at it, but this forum is full of right-wingers. Do you also enjoy banging your head against brick walls?

[Andrew NDB]

Wednesday's Serial, if you just want to argue and debate have at it, but this forum is full of right-wingers.

Ah yes, the "right wing." Which was the left even 10 years ago. The center, at worst.

[Mayhem]

Ah yes, the "right wing." Which was the left even 10 years ago. The center, at worst.
There we will agree to disagree. Right wing ten years ago, even more right wing approaching fascism today, especially since Trump. That’s an outside view perspective based on actual political leanings on an actual political scale. Not the self identifying “scale” that America itself seems to use. Like looking at an 8 and saying it’s an infinity symbol.

As for the left, well it isn’t the left, it’s left of the Republicans, but still very right wing, except for some of the extreme woke factions who are centre ish instead. There’s no real socialism in the US, the TRUE left wing of politics. Except for all the people decrying socialism but still happy to have their pills and drugs paid for by Medicare…

[member_removed]

From school libraries, books ranging from anything from how to best do anal sex with your gay partneror transgender "how to" stuff.

Where can one find this book?

Asking for a friend...

[IMJ]

Where can one find this book?

Asking for a friend...

Everything is on Amazon, dude. :lol:

[ChosenOne]

DeSantis is everything people were/are scared Trump would be, and an unlikable, spineless idiot to boot. Having said that, he's still far more preferable than Biden or anyone else on the left.

[Bahamut810]

There we will agree to disagree. Right wing ten years ago, even more right wing approaching fascism today, especially since Trump. That’s an outside view perspective based on actual political leanings on an actual political scale. Not the self identifying “scale” that America itself seems to use. Like looking at an 8 and saying it’s an infinity symbol.

As for the left, well it isn’t the left, it’s left of the Republicans, but still very right wing, except for some of the extreme woke factions who are centre ish instead. There’s no real socialism in the US, the TRUE left wing of politics. Except for all the people decrying socialism but still happy to have their pills and drugs paid for by Medicare…

Are you really claiming that the right and the left have both gone more right in the past decade? I mean...just on a bare bones subject...how many people on 'the left' (democrats) would have been pro gay marriage, pro-porn in middle school, or pro-pronouns a decade ago?

[TurtleManiac]

The idea anyone on here would support DeSantis is horrifying.
His don't say gay bills are doing actual harm, and have done damage to long-standing educators.
His stance on education has gotten countless books banned and is keeping kids from learning about things like slavery, stonewall, a history of police abuse, our history of white supremacy and how it inspired the Nazis, and other topics.
His stance on abortion has gotten women killed.
His stance on gun rights has gotten countless people killed, and none saved.
His stance on police has taken away rights and gotten people killed.
His stance on prison has runied countless lives.
His 'anti-woke' war is costing his state a severe amount of capital to deny reality as it exists.
His stance on immigration and worker pay is put together as a push to once again have a slave class.

The dude is straight evil.

Ya'll don't like Biden. Fine. But supporting this? I don't get it. We're here from a love of Ninja Turtles. I'd assume a certain appeal to a better tomorrow, doing right by others, and a vengeance for those who would hurt others based on prejudice. Hell, a certain love for the environment too. Instead, this? It's beyond dishearting. It's confusing, scary, and damning.

Yeah, I also would prefer Trump instead of DeSantis, since DeSantis seems kinda like a back-stabber and could very well be a uniparty shill. Still though, anything would be better than what we have now. The bar has been set pretty low, Bidenomics has failed us.

[Andrew NDB]

DeSantis is everything people were/are scared Trump would be, and an unlikable, spineless idiot to boot.

Why is he a spineless idiot?

Yeah, I also would prefer Trump instead of DeSantis, since DeSantis seems kinda like a back-stabber and could very well be a uniparty shill.

Why is he a back-stabber? Just because Trump is upset DeSantis wasn't "loyal" in his going for the republican nomination, that he should just voluntarily sit out the race and let Trump have it uncontested because Trump claims to have helped him out in becoming governor? Because that's a silly standard.

[TurtleManiac]

Why is he a back-stabber? Just because Trump is upset DeSantis wasn't "loyal" in his going for the republican nomination, that he should just voluntarily sit out the race and let Trump have it uncontested because Trump claims to have helped him out in becoming governor? Because that's a silly standard.

Trump’s endorsement did help him become governor. Would have been nice to see DeSantis as his 2024 running mate, or even just an endorsement. But instead he waited until Biden’s DOJ starts persecuting Trump to announce his own Presidential run, and split the (R) vote. Almost as if he’s counting on Trump to be arrested by Biden’s DOJ and removed from the ballot, in order for DeSantis to become the (R) nominee.

[Andrew NDB]

Would have been nice to see DeSantis as his 2024 running mate

That could still happen. Both Biden and Harris were going after the democratic nomination but Biden still gave her the VP job.

But instead he waited until Biden’s DOJ starts persecuting Trump to announce his own Presidential run, and split the (R) vote.

Which is pretty meaningless since we're just talking about the nomination, which Trump seems to have in the bag. It's not even close.

[Mayhem]

Are you really claiming that the right and the left have both gone more right in the past decade? I mean...just on a bare bones subject...how many people on 'the left' (democrats) would have been pro gay marriage, pro-porn in middle school, or pro-pronouns a decade ago?
The Republican Party certainly has (note I use the word “party” here and not voters/supporters as there’s always people who swap votes each election) and its policies. Democrats I’d say have roughly stayed put, but that’s still notably right of centre, and about where the Conservative Party here in the UK used to sit before the recent Brexit/ERG/backhanders and lurch against immigrants and poor people to distract the gammons from the fact they are snouts in trough until hopefully they get kicked out next year.

[Coola Yagami]

That could still happen. Both Biden and Harris were going after the democratic nomination but Biden still gave her the VP job.



Which is pretty meaningless since we're just talking about the nomination, which Trump seems to have in the bag. It's not even close.

Just curiosity, not trolling, I'm curious as to your reasoning of how Trumps 'has it in the bag'. One one side it seems more people hate him than ever before, but on the other side it seems every time he gets a new charge or indictment, his followers are like 'wow, are they trying to just give him the election on a silver platter?"

[Andrew NDB]

Just curiosity, not trolling, I'm curious as to your reasoning of how Trumps 'has it in the bag'.

I'm talking about the republican nomination. That's in the bag for sure. The election itself after he gets the nomination? I'm not so optimistic at all. I just don't see him winning over any independent voters and certainly not any "Never Trump"ers. At best, with Trump, the only hope is that enough democrat voters are fed up enough with things that they just stay home on election day to make a difference, because that's the only way there's a Trump victory.

One one side it seems more people hate him than ever before, but on the other side it seems every time he gets a new charge or indictment, his followers are like 'wow, are they trying to just give him the election on a silver platter?"

It only helps him win the nomination within his own party. Average voters or independents aren't suddenly turning around going, "Oh wow, they really are going after him! I'm changing my vote to Trump!" That's not a thing, no matter how much Trump wants it to be.

[IMJ]

I don't think he neccessarily has it 'in the bag', but I will say that the more they persecute and prosecute the more he is going to sway centered voters over to him if he continues to come out of it clean.

And to be honest at this point it doesn't really matter because none of it is really "hidden past reveals" anymore. It's all about content that the public either already agrees with or doesn't so basically it's clear to everyone at this point that this is vendetta. That can actually only help his votes rather than smear him at this point.

[Andrew NDB]

I don't think he neccessarily has it 'in the bag', but I will say that the more they persecute and prosecute the more he is going to sway centered voters over to him if he continues to come out of it clean.

Voters don't have anything to do with him winning the nomination. And I'm thinking most people are just getting tired of hearing about charges against Trump in general, even if he keeps coming out clean.

[Coola Yagami]

I'd say if the LBGT crowd keeps pushing it, they might accidentally push Trump into office.

I remember people on both sides were just about fed up with anything that had to do with the rainbow stuff being shoved down our throats 24/7..... but then Roe V Wade happened and the Republicans cemented themselves as pure evil once again.

Like if this was a cartoon, this would be the last 5 or so minutes or so, where the bad guys pretty much won, the good guys are too busy fighting each other to fight them, then that one stupid henchman decided now was the time to revoke women's rights, direct the ire of everyone back to them, and now they're on the run again.

[IMJ]

Voters don't have anything to do with him winning the nomination. And I'm thinking most people are just getting tired of hearing about charges against Trump in general, even if he keeps coming out clean.

Oh oh oh, at a glance I thought you were talking about the full-on election. But to your 2nd point, yeah - exactly.

[Andrew NDB]

I remember people on both sides were just about fed up with anything that had to do with the rainbow stuff being shoved down our throats 24/7..... but then Roe V Wade happened and the Republicans cemented themselves as pure evil once again.

Exactly that. I think we were really on the precipice of at least a considerable number of minds being changed -- largely, women -- and then they did something out of their worst fears. They really should have just let Roe V Wade go for the greater good.

[Coola Yagami]

Exactly that. I think we were really on the precipice of at least a considerable number of minds being changed -- largely, women -- and then they did something out of their worst fears. They really should have just let Roe V Wade go for the greater good.

Like I honestly don't know what they were thinking. Around that time, there were vids popping up of people leaving the left, and some gay people saying that yeah they're gay, but they don't agree with none of the craziness the rainbow brigade is up to.

Then they had to shoot themselves in the foot and do something that would unite most women on both sides against them.

[Andrew NDB]

Like I honestly don't know what they were thinking. Around that time, there were vids popping up of people leaving the left, and some gay people saying that yeah they're gay, but they don't agree with none of the craziness the rainbow brigade is up to.

Then they had to shoot themselves in the foot and do something that would unite most women on both sides against them.

I mean, technically it wasn't "the republicans" that did this. It was just the supreme court in and of itself that threw out Roe V Wade. And I agree with the decision based on the merit of the argument, and Roe V Wade was always flimsy... but, c'mon. Let it go. We can argue one way on abortion or the other, but this is a decades past thing. If anything, they should have just gone toward a more specific deadline of when it can happen (is it 3 months? is it 4? 5 tops? what?) to more define things, which I guess can still happen now. But just pulling out the rug from under everyone in the country on that at once... not a smart move. And I've listened to a lot of political commenters just sort of hand-waving this stuff away... no, no, this is a real thing that will matter to a ton of people. Even a couple of years ago I was debating with the wife and the first thing she said was, "But they're going after Roe V Wade." And I was like, "nonono, they may threaten that, but they'd never actually do that." Then they did that. And I wonder if this might be many households.

[Mayhem]

I mean, technically it wasn't "the republicans" that did this. It was just the supreme court in and of itself that threw out Roe V Wade.
That's a very simplistic and erroneous way of looking at it. Anti abortion campaigners and members of the Republican party (and I will say, a few in the Democratic party as well) had been trying to revoke it since it was passed. Trump even campaigned in 2016 as one of his pledges to get it overturned. Loading the Supreme Court with anti abortion sympathising judges following two deaths just made it almost inevitable, given Texas and Mississippi were brazen enough pre Roe Wade overturn to try signing state wide legislature banning manners. It then pressured the Court into acting and deciding on it.

[Dpooly84]

Never forget the Democrats killed MLK, it's the a fact look it up.

[Coola Yagami]

Never forget the Democrats killed MLK, it's the a fact look it up.

Y'know seeing how the woke movement is nowadays, it kinda makes sense. The average woke leftist is definitely more concerned with the color of someone's skin than the content of their character

[Cowabung-Gal]

Y'know seeing how the woke movement is nowadays, it kinda makes sense. The average woke leftist is definitely more concerned with the color of someone's skin than the content of their character

Not only that, they want to bring back segregation in order to give black people “safe spaces”.

During the “Summer of Love”, the chumps in CHAZ separated people by their race.

tLLDHEcSzrA

[Coola Yagami]

Not only that, they want to bring back segregation in order to give black people “safe spaces”.

During the “Summer of Love”, the chumps in CHAZ separated people by their race.

tLLDHEcSzrA

I still don't understand how they even allowed 'Chaz' to be a thing.

[Andrew NDB]

White guilt, basically. With orders to the police to do nothing.

[Mayhem]

Man shot dead in raid after threatening Biden online before his Utah visit

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-66457089

A pertinent section of the report is…

“The complaint said Robertson came to the attention of federal agents in March after he posted a threat against Mr Bragg on Truth Social, the social network owned by Mr Trump. The company alerted the FBI's National Threat Operations Center.”

Which shows at least if you think Trump’s platform is a safe haven for extreme views, evidently the powers that be there will still report you. Which is the right thing really.

[Andrew NDB]

Which shows at least if you think Trump’s platform is a safe haven for extreme views, evidently the powers that be there will still report you. Which is the right thing really.

Why does Truth Social matter? He's not the guy running it, he's just the guy being paid a lot of money to be on it (stupidly, I think. He should be tweeting out a maelstrom right now). If it was Pinterest would you similarly blame random Pinterest personalities?

[TurtleManiac]

That could still happen. Both Biden and Harris were going after the democratic nomination but Biden still gave her the VP job.


That would be the dream team, Big Don & Little Ron! Seriously, those 2 would be unstoppable, no way they would legitimately lose against the Biden/Harris clown admin. Then if all goes well we could potentially have 8 years of DeSantis as President.

I think DeSantis himself is focusing a little too much on the anti-woke movement, and it could backfire and hurt the conservatives chances of winning. Even Trump is more accepting of woke ideology, despite what the media says, and I think he even hinted at easing restrictions on abortion. They both want secure borders, tough on crime, no inflation etc, and I think that’s more important than hurting someone’s feelings and trying not to offend anyone.

Although Trump did mention he intends to choose a woman VP as running mate. So who knows, still too early to tell.

[ChosenOne]

If the FBI were anywhere near as diligent regarding death threats against Trump online, there would've already been a much higher number of arrests and/or shootings. Alas.

[TurtleManiac]

If the FBI were anywhere near as diligent regarding death threats against Trump online, there would've already been a much higher number of arrests and/or shootings. Alas.

Trump “Truth” from yesterday says they are now trying to access his old Twitter account, Biden’s weaponized DOJ is up to something. He is going for the throat. Non-stop indictments and trials leading up to the election. The DC establishment is corrupt as hel. Also revealed this week the Bidens accepted $20 million from foreign countries including from Russian and Kazakhstani oligarchs according to newly released bank records.

[vicsavage]

Trump is going to die of a heart attack while eating a sandwich on the toilet. Dead Toilet Sandwich Trump would still spank DeSantis in the primary.

[Roseangelo]

I am expecting to vote for Harambe the dead gorilla yet again.

[IMJ]

Trump is going to die of a heart attack while eating a sandwich on the toilet. Dead Toilet Sandwich Trump would still spank DeSantis in the primary.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
omg wtf? :lol::lol::lol:

8)

[Mayhem]

Sad but true!

[Dpooly84]

Trump “Truth” from yesterday says they are now trying to access his old Twitter account, Biden’s weaponized DOJ is up to something. He is going for the throat. Non-stop indictments and trials leading up to the election. The DC establishment is corrupt as hel. Also revealed this week the Bidens accepted $20 million from foreign countries including from Russian and Kazakhstani oligarchs according to newly released bank records.

To specify after Russia invaded Ukraine, the US put sanctions on every oligarch; except for 1 the one that happened to pay the Bidens 3 million dollars. ? it really makes you wonder why?

[Wednesday's Serial]

This sums it up.
https://youtu.be/GxTzMG23-60

[Cowabung-Gal]

bSI1nAl9Atg

She has a point: both parties have screwed over the People time and time again.

[TheCanadiandrome]

If the FBI were anywhere near as diligent regarding death threats against Trump online, there would've already been a much higher number of arrests and/or shootings. Alas.

He’s the one dude who should be assassinated, f*ckin oranged-haird dipsh*t :lol::lol:

[Andrew NDB]

Wow, what a moron.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-uses-minor-fire-his-house-claim-he-know-what-its-like-lose-home-while-visiting-maui

[ChosenOne]

He’s the one dude who should be assassinated, f*ckin oranged-haird dipsh*t :lol::lol:

That's original. And mature. Enjoy your inflation and looming nuclear war!

[TurtleManiac]

He’s the one dude who should be assassinated, f*ckin oranged-haird dipsh*t :lol::lol:

Chicago woman has been arrested after making death threats, threatening the lives of Donald Trump Sr and his youngest son Barron. Arrested by Secret Service.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12430437/amp/Tracy-Fiorenza-arrest-Donald-trump-Barron-threat.html

[Cowabung-Gal]

He’s the one dude who should be assassinated, f*ckin oranged-haird dipsh*t :lol::lol:

Why though? I mean his tweets weren’t that bad, were they?

[Andrew NDB]

What is it with the left and wishing death?

[Cowabung-Gal]

What is it with the left and wishing death?

Building a utopia does require a mountain of bodies…

[Coola Yagami]

Building a utopia does require a mountain of bodies…

I'm pretty sure all of us that think differently from they do have to die 'for the greater good'.

They don't understand they'll never achieve a full hivemind. Sooner or later someone is gonna step out of line, and they will also be thrown to the slaughter no matter how woke they thought they were.

The woke left have no idea that things happening the way they wish it could (all their death threats coming to fruition) isn't much different that a certain mustached fellow's way of doing things.

I mean didn't a woke comedian on late night get away with literally saying 'maybe the Germans were on to something' in reference to how to 'deal' with the unvaccinated?

[IMJ]

What is it with the left and wishing death?

Mentality of children, man. The left is comprised of "society's children". Throw tantrums about feelings, throw tantrums about wages, virtue-signal against the most easily assumed "evils", form factions to witch-hunt others, rely on galvanized and simplistic thought-processes. Society's children. It's that simple. Peasant-thinkers do peasant-actions.

[Wednesday's Serial]

What is it with the left and wishing death?

Because a lot of people on the left are in groups that are being targeted and in one form or another losing their agency, humanity, or lives to policies or people supported by rightwing/conservative policies.

They wish to stop being harmed. They are mad, and yes lashing out. They're fighting for survival in a number of cases. When policies that harm you are put forward, it's a pretty natural, and historically proven reaction that you will wish harm or death on the people who implemented it.

[TheCanadiandrome]

Chicago woman has been arrested after making death threats, threatening the lives of Donald Trump Sr and his youngest son Barron. Arrested by Secret Service.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12430437/amp/Tracy-Fiorenza-arrest-Donald-trump-Barron-threat.html

Haha wow the SS be like Uncle Adolfs :lol:

That's original. And mature. Enjoy your inflation and looming nuclear war!

I’m Canadian so I worry not lol. True we have our own issues up here but we’re sitting almost pretty compared to y’all

Why though? I mean his tweets weren’t that bad, were they?

No but his mindless nonsensical rants and speeches, plus his butt buddies in North Korea and Russia sure were lol. All I know is y’all won’t be better off if he’s elected again. Not saying the same about Biden either but ye lesser of two evils. I’ll be enjoying the Presidential elections as always cause it’s hilarious

[Andrew NDB]

I’m Canadian so I worry not lol. True we have our own issues up here but we’re sitting almost pretty compared to y’all

You guys don't even have free speech there. gtfoh!

[TheCanadiandrome]

You guys don't even have free speech there. gtfoh!

What makes ya think that? We don’t have no nazi ss people censoring us

[ChosenOne]

I’m Canadian so I worry not lol. True we have our own issues up here but we’re sitting almost pretty compared to y’all

So...? I'm European myself. We're foreign nationals, not ostriches; inflation is global and nukes aren’t nearly as polite as Canadians. But feel free to continue living in your fantasy bubble.

Because a lot of people on the left are in groups that are being targeted and in one form or another losing their agency, humanity, or lives to policies or people supported by rightwing/conservative policies.

They wish to stop being harmed. They are mad, and yes lashing out. They're fighting for survival in a number of cases. When policies that harm you are put forward, it's a pretty natural, and historically proven reaction that you will wish harm or death on the people who implemented it.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[Wolfie65]

Politics is show biz for the ugly
- Rush Limbaugh, ca. 1990-onwards
I'll add this: There is only 1 party, the rest is distraction theater for the masses.

[Vegita-San]

What makes ya think that? We don’t have no nazi ss people censoring us

how'd that trucker strike go for you? seemed pretty surpressed there.

[Andrew NDB]

how'd that trucker strike go for you? seemed pretty surpressed there.

Even people showing up to protest or were suspected of protesting had their bank accounts frozen. Pretty wild stuff.

[IMJ]

Even people showing up to protest or were suspected of protesting had their bank accounts frozen. Pretty wild stuff.

Canada is this sort of beautiful, sprawling country with amazing land. All under a weird, veiled dictatorship. Canada is as weird as Austrailia in that it's like everyone waves at the camera like it's a free and awesome place, but it's all under an ideology gun that their leadership actually wields.

[TheCanadiandrome]

So...? I'm European myself. We're foreign nationals, not ostriches; inflation is global and nukes aren’t nearly as polite as Canadians. But feel free to continue living in your fantasy bubble.
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Sure :lol:

how'd that trucker strike go for you? seemed pretty surpressed there.

Only when they started acting like total morons. People seem to forget that fact. Nobody remembers that most of em were acting like total dickheads causing problems for local businesses and people. Y’all wanna protest sure go ahead. Bur don’t act like a$$holes and expect there not to be consequences. Sh*tting on peoples lawns, noise law violations and the list went on and on. They were far from peaceful. Now I ain’t sayin there weren’t some peaceful protests going on sure, but all it takes is a few d*cks to wreck things for the rest

Even people showing up to protest or were suspected of protesting had their bank accounts frozen. Pretty wild stuff.

Most of that was proven bullsh*t later on. The ones who has their assets actually frozen were the ones who disrupted and otherwise made life miserable for the locals. Not everyone was “innocent”

[TheCanadiandrome]

Canada is this sort of beautiful, sprawling country with amazing land. All under a weird, veiled dictatorship. Canada is as weird as Austrailia in that it's like everyone waves at the camera like it's a free and awesome place, but it's all under an ideology gun that their leadership actually wields.

Well most of that is true, unless you live here the majority of y’all don’t have any idea wtf you’re talkin about so ye. I’m not stupid I know what it’s like here and I don’t live in delusions that we don’t have issues as a country but again still not nearly as bad as anywhere else. I’d rather live in Canada then the so-called “Good Ole USA” or “Divided States”. Land of the free, home of the brave my big fat hairy backside :lol::lol::lol:

[Coola Yagami]

You guys don't even have free speech there. gtfoh!

I mean.... do we? You can literally lose your job over an edgy joke nowadays.

[Andrew NDB]

Well most of that is true, unless you live here the majority of y’all don’t have any idea wtf you’re talkin about so ye. I’m not stupid I know what it’s like here and I don’t live in delusions that we don’t have issues as a country but again still not nearly as bad as anywhere else. I’d rather live in Canada then the so-called “Good Ole USA” or “Divided States”. Land of the free, home of the brave my big fat hairy backside :lol::lol::lol:

You're good then. You're coo.

[ChosenOne]

That guy's the very definition of "Ignorance is bliss".

[IMJ]

Well most of that is true, unless you live here the majority of y’all don’t have any idea wtf you’re talkin about so ye

Very interesting position on this given how often Trudeau's extremist "reign" makes the news. But you know - now that you took the "unless you live here" position you're basically going to be under permanent scrutiny about anything you have to say about the U.S. :lol:

But don't feel bad about your country - Australia is way worse. Hell, I always liked going to Canada - they used to print their G.I. Joe file cards with both English and French. :lol: :D8)

[Barkworm]

I think there would be a lot of actual progress and social reconciliation in the US if the 2 party system finally crumbled. The way it is, the fanboys always seem to stay with their team and the more rational rest holds their nose, closes their eyes and just votes whatever seems to disgust them less.

[Cowabung-Gal]

I’d rather live in Canada then the so-called “Good Ole USA” or “Divided States”. Land of the free, home of the brave my big fat hairy backside :lol::lol::lol:

To each his own, eh? Some people prefer Canadian maple syrup, others prefer American apple pie. Either way, you still have to deal with commie weirdos that make everything about race, gender, and climate change.

[Mayhem]

I think there would be a lot of actual progress and social reconciliation in the US if the 2 party system finally crumbled. The way it is, the fanboys always seem to stay with their team and the more rational rest holds their nose, closes their eyes and just votes whatever seems to disgust them less.
You could say the same mostly here in the UK about Conservatives and Labour.

[IMJ]

I think there would be a lot of actual progress and social reconciliation in the US if the 2 party system finally crumbled. The way it is, the fanboys always seem to stay with their team and the more rational rest holds their nose, closes their eyes and just votes whatever seems to disgust them less.

Well you know - it wasn't always that way but memories are short, especially when inundated with polarization for several years. The truth is that I think (and I admit, this could easily be called more of the same) the left became so extreme and so vocal over nonsense once the "Everybody gets a trophy" generation came onto the scene, that it couldn't help but be galvanizing.

Because let's face it - that was the impetus generation for all of this. And the psychology runs deep. But I think the more reality sets in for these people - the more they are fired from jobs and the more life hits them and they don't get trophies for failure the more you'll see them forced to adapt and the less galvanizing things will be.

Honest to God - the last many years of Clown World are born of synergy between culminating events, but it truly takes a generational mindset to make these things nationwide movements. In this case, everybody got a trophy and couldn't handle opposition in adulthood when they didn't win even in loss.

[Barkworm]

Well you know - it wasn't always that way but memories are short, especially when inundated with polarization for several years.

Maybe but this has been going on for decades now. People in their 20s and even 30s do not remember it any other way. On the right, people tend to blame Obama for the polarization but the George W. years weren't that different and neither was the Clinton era.

[Andrew NDB]

In retrospect, the piece with a focus on race and systemic racism definitely took off during Obama's second term, and by design. The participation trophy stuff was already well baked into the cake by that point.

[Vegita-San]

https://twitter.com/GadSaad/status/1695894503381458980

canada, o canada, so -ucked..

[Mayhem]

Everyone brings up Biden's frailty and no mention of McConnell...? Funny that...

And freeze again... (https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1696936981920387571?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1696936981920387571%7Ctwgr% 5Eec408a5805cd8cb4ca09ba602b352dc639ac7d2e%7Ctwcon %5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fbordersdown.net%2Fthreads%2F 130491-America-World-V-We-Should-Be-So-Lucky%2Fpage29)

[Zachatello00]

Yeah, we really need both sides of the political aisle to recognize that some of these folks are getting to be too worn out for politics. I can't say it's age specifically, because there are plenty of older folks who have their faculties about them just fine, but in the case of so many of these politicians, I don't know... would term limits help? I feel like that's a good idea, anyway.

Ironic that this happened while being asked about a re-election bid.

[Zulithe]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2023/08/31/trump-lawyers-save-america-indictments/70648789007/

Now ain’t that a shame :)

Go give Grandaddy some more money so he can stay out of jail, Trumpers

[Andrew NDB]

Everyone brings up Biden's frailty and no mention of McConnell...?

It's mentioned quite a bit. Also, he's not the one running the country.

[IMJ]

Everyone brings up Biden's frailty and no mention of McConnell...? Funny that...

And freeze again... (https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1696936981920387571?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1696936981920387571%7Ctwgr% 5Eec408a5805cd8cb4ca09ba602b352dc639ac7d2e%7Ctwcon %5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fbordersdown.net%2Fthreads%2F 130491-America-World-V-We-Should-Be-So-Lucky%2Fpage29)

Absolute stretch comparison. McConnel has served the country for decades without real controversy since 1985 and has some kind of weird health issue now in his 80's as a congressman.

Biden's entire family is under the lens for corruption and Biden himself has been tracked for lying about weird $##!( his entire career and now serves as President supported by agenda-weirdos like you.

You need to learn to have some integrity in your arguments bud. You rely too much on fact-twisting and manipulative-interpretation. Even your opinions about Trump are fully loaded in "he isn't a nice guy". It's like the comparisons of virtue made by a 5th grader - "McConnell is being ignore - isn't that convenient hmmmmm?:" :roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::r oll::roll:

[Mayhem]

Trump's family have been under the lens for corruption for years, and Trump himself has been tracked for lying about weird $##!( a lot of his entire career and served as President previously supported by agenda-weirdos like you.
And back at you...!

Also, he's not the one running the country.
True, but he's in a rather important position right now anyhow...

[IMJ]

And back at you...!


True, but he's in a rather important position right now anyhow...

There is no "back at me". I don't rely on the arguments and phony positioning that you do. We aren't even remotely the same. Your position there was to compare McConnel's health issues with Biden's criminal corruption (documented) - not Trump's accused corruption (accusations that have constantly has failed in court).

But I love it when you argue this stuff because by comparison of the points that a guy like me makes, your points and cliche comebacks only serve to show that wherever you are coming from isn't authentic and is loaded with positional assaults. Weakness. What I'm saying is that you come to the Technodrome forums and don't argue authentically - you argue in weakness and in position. You are weak. Even weaker when you continuously argue points in cliches - and when they don't hold water you move the goalpost (i.e., talking about a Senator and then disregarding that for a position about an ex-President), and when that fails you rely on a weak cliche (i.e, "and back at you!"). You are weak and manipulative. Which then equals phony. Which means that your brain isn't even equipped to put ideas together, let alone point fingers in politics correctly.

See how that goes? I can take your assaults and lack of comprehension apart with evidence from your conversation. Evidence that leads clearly from observation about you to conclusions without leaps. All you ultimately wind up doing is come at things with manipulative arguments that fling nonsense. And therefore from the connection of your word choices across posts you can be checked easily and in truth, while your replies rely on contextual, invented meaning.

Phony. Fake. Sociopathic. Misguided. Interesting that all of these behavioral evidences have come to light through your posting and your chosen name is "Mayhem". I call that correlation even more evidence.

You are only the hero in your life's own superhero story, son. You aren't even remotely one of the actual "good guys" in life.

[Storm Wolf]

It's mentioned quite a bit. Also, he's not the one running the country.

Why can't we have well spoken leaders that aren't one foot in the nursing home? If McConnell has a medical condition that prevents him from functioning appropriately then he should have to step down, this goes for Biden as well. Trump is no picture of health either.

Isn't the MINIMUM age like 35? Where the hell are all the younger politicians. Why do we constantly have to choose between two (because let's face it people rarely give a thought to other parties) people who don't have a clue what life is like for most of us?

I feel like most of our leaders are just out here making policies to profit themselves because they won't be living long enough to see or care about what it really does to the people.

I haven't really been interested in any candidates the last few elections. A few independents looked promising, but I know that will never go anywhere.

We may never all agree on the issues at hand, but if we could at least get well-spoken and well meaning leadership we could find some compromise to get things a bit more stable.

[Andrew NDB]

I agree on that, I think. Trump won in 2016 because Hillary was that unlikeable and by some perfect storm of weirdness Trump became the nominee and was saying things to regular people that made sense and played on their sentiment (generally, anger) well. Biden won in 2020 because of some mix of "remember Obama?"/"maybe we can get a semi-Obama third term from this, more or less"/"at least he's not Trump." They were willing to Weekend at Bernie's puppeteer (and boy, those puppeteers are something) a corpse and it worked. Now we're stuck in this for now, and here comes the rematch.

It's very ugly, for sure. I'd be perfectly fine with someone younger and energized taking the stand and I think the gamble that Trump vs. Biden II will end up in Trump's favor is a pretty laughable one. If Trump is the nominee, of course I will vote for him, but I don't really see a path to victory unless we're crossing our fingers for a variety of variables to unfold in our favor. Like these:

1) Biden becomes unable to continue running and drops out. Now it's Harris. Trump wins for sure.

2) Biden becomes unable to continue running and drops out. Harris is ousted somehow by the party (no, the democrat party does not particularly like her at all) and it's Bernie Sanders or Hillary again. Trump wins for sure.

But that's about it.

[Mayhem]

As for your comments Storm Wolf, yeah I've seen many similar recently on that vein in various places. Why are seemingly most of the top positions in US government still currently sat on by people who should be pensioned off and in retirement? Basically career politicians who can't let go, either due to the money or the publicity. The best politicians are ones who don't want the job but... hey look, Wing Commander Oink and the Bacon Squadron.

Your position there was to compare McConnel's health issues with Biden's criminal corruption (documented) - not Trump's accused corruption (accusations that have constantly has failed in court).
No, my position was to compare McConnell's health with the repeated posts by yourself and others here about Biden's health, nothing more when I posted the video of McConnell. You took it further than that, so... all fair in online banter in my previous reply.

Blah blah blah, the rest of your post is word stew, murky and ill-defined. You're so far up Trump's backside you could give him a colonic irrigation. Oooo look at me, naughty words! If you think it's cliche, it's because that's all you're best positioned to understand from your posts here. And I'm hardly a Biden supporter, he's no brilliant President that's for sure, but he's the lesser of two evils right now.

[Andrew NDB]

As for your comments Storm Wolf, yeah I've seen many similar recently on that vein in various places. Why are seemingly most of the top positions in US government still currently sat on by people who should be pensioned off and in retirement? Basically career politicians who can't let go, either due to the money or the publicity. The best politicians are ones who don't want the job but... hey look, Wing Commander Oink and the Bacon Squadron.


No, my position was to compare McConnell's health with the repeated posts by yourself and others here about Biden's health, nothing more when I posted the video of McConnell. You took it further than that, so... all fair in online banter in my previous reply.

Blah blah blah, the rest of your post is word stew, murky and ill-defined. You're so far up Trump's backside you could give him a colonic irrigation. Oooo look at me, naughty words! If you think it's cliche, it's because that's all you're best positioned to understand from your posts here. And I'm hardly a Biden supporter, he's no brilliant President that's for sure, but he's the lesser of two evils right now.

You've literally proved all of his points in very short order. If you even read them.

[Mayhem]

You've literally proved all of his points in very short order. If you even read them.
Of course I read them, it was word salad, designed to make himself look superior, as always, looking down his nose from his high and mighty "libtards are evil" position.

I am just posting here for ***** and giggles nowadays, you honestly think I give a **** about what people think? Which is why so many regulars ****ed off.

[Coola Yagami]

1) Biden becomes unable to continue running and drops out. Now it's Harris. Trump wins for sure.

2) Biden becomes unable to continue running and drops out. Harris is ousted somehow by the party (no, the democrat party does not particularly like her at all) and it's Bernie Sanders or Hillary again. Trump wins for sure.

But that's about it.

What if they choose DeSantis, though he's lost a lot of favor too.

Not 100% sure Trump will take it, unless he's going against Harris possibly.

Idk man, while not as obvious as wearing blue caps, there are a lot of Biden suckups out there. And the Trump Hate Train is going full speed ahead.

[Mayhem]

On a slight tangent, or not, Haley again voicing her thoughts the oldies should step aside and have competency testing...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-66678130

[Storm Wolf]

Idk man, while not as obvious as wearing blue caps, there are a lot of Biden suckups out there. And the Trump Hate Train is going full speed ahead.

You know what I find interesting? I know a pretty equal number of right and left. I know a lot of Trump haters, but none of the Trump haters are staunch Biden supporters. In fact, I don't think many of my left leaning aquantinces like Biden or even think much of him.

Obama seemed to be met with a lot of support from the left. People genuinely seemed to like him. With Hilary I noticed they either hated or loved her. With Biden it seems to be a "eh...well he's not Trump....I guess." Kind of mentality.

Of coarse this is just my generalization from what I've seen.

[Cowabung-Gal]

1) Biden becomes unable to continue running and drops out. Now it's Harris. Trump wins for sure.

2) Biden becomes unable to continue running and drops out. Harris is ousted somehow by the party (no, the democrat party does not particularly like her at all) and it's Bernie Sanders or Hillary again. Trump wins for sure.

But that's about it.

Well, there’s RFK JR. But the Democrats hate him too

[Bahamut810]

Why do we constantly have to choose between two (because let's face it people rarely give a thought to other parties) people who don't have a clue what life is like for most of us?

People don't have to, but generally do. Libertarians have been on the ballot for a long time. Whenever someone brings this up, I always try to mention that it takes votes to get funding and attention...so vote for a 3rd party.

I am just posting here for ***** and giggles nowadays, you honestly think I give a **** about what people think? Which is why so many regulars ****ed off.

You obviously care, otherwise you wouldn't be posting here. ***** and giggles only last for so long.

[Vegita-San]

interesting, sad AND scary.. are we there, or close too it? Qt2AuVQKpq0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qt2AuVQKpq0

[TheCanadiandrome]

Yeah, we really need both sides of the political aisle to recognize that some of these folks are getting to be too worn out for politics. I can't say it's age specifically, because there are plenty of older folks who have their faculties about them just fine, but in the case of so many of these politicians, I don't know... would term limits help? I feel like that's a good idea, anyway.

Ironic that this happened while being asked about a re-election bid.

Not just term limits but age limits and restrictions. Nobody past 65 should be allowed to run for any political office, and they mustn’t stay in office past the age of 65, meaning nobody aged 65 should run for an office where they’d still potentially stay in past 5 years.

Also anyone with known health or physical issues shouldn’t be allowed to run for any political office

[IMJ]

Not just term limits but age limits and restrictions. Nobody past 65 should be allowed to run for any political office, and they mustn’t stay in office past the age of 65, meaning nobody aged 65 should run for an office where they’d still potentially stay in past 5 years.

Also anyone with known health or physical issues shouldn’t be allowed to run for any political office

The problem with age limits from an administrator perspective is that it rules out all of the older, wiser, experienced people who might otherwise be very capable of doing the job - not only well but insightfully.

Competency criteria and annual exams after an age limit might be justified though.

[TheCanadiandrome]

Competency criteria and annual exams after an age limit might be justified though.

You might be on to something. It’s like how seniors should be have exams to determine whether or not they should keep their drivers licence :lol: :lol:

[ZariusTwo]

Nancy Pelosi seeking a congress re-election

https://deadline.com/2023/09/nancy-pelosi-to-run-for-reelection-1235540646/#comments

[Cowabung-Gal]

Nancy Pelosi seeking a congress re-election

https://deadline.com/2023/09/nancy-pelosi-to-run-for-reelection-1235540646/#comments

Geez, power-hungry much?
https://media.tenor.com/_OllzBlmbI4AAAAC/evil-queen.gif

[ZariusTwo]

Hunter indicted

https://deadline.com/2023/09/hunter-biden-indicted-gun-charges-1235547026/

[Zulithe]

It's funny to see how Rs treat gun issues when it's a political opponent as opposed to when it's a school shooting. Truly interesting!

[IMJ]

It's funny to see how Rs treat gun issues when it's a political opponent as opposed to when it's a school shooting. Truly interesting!

They don't treat it any differently at all. A crime is a crime. Republicans aren't suddenly calling for banning guns over Hunter Biden. Your commentary is peasant-thinker BS. You are just saying words.

[Zulithe]

What I'm saying is accurate, but I don't expect you or most people in this thread to give a **** :lol: We all know the reason we can't get gun reform and fix school shootings (and mass shootings in general) is because of Republicans. But look at how seriously they take it when it's Hunter Biden. The hypocrisy is so damn sweet. Now, continue to fume about it. :lol:

https://i.imgur.com/22r0AZb.png

https://i.imgur.com/coQx5ft.png

:lol::lol::lol:

[Mayhem]

A crime is a crime. Republicans aren't suddenly calling for banning guns over Hunter Biden.
And neither am I in general. Only better checks about who can have one, and what types of gun non-military people should be allowed. But you call that "banning guns" for any sort of restriction from the current status quo (SECOND AMENDMENT, SECOND AMENDMENT BITCHES!), when I'm not even advocating the removal of all weapons. Just assault rifles and the such.

But it is amusing in a "but her EMAILS!" way that this is now "but his GUN APPLICATION!" and yet far more serious misdemenours by Republicans get hand waved away by the deluded faithful as not important.

[Sumac]

And neither am I in general. Only better checks about who can have one, and what types of gun non-military people should be allowed. But you call that "banning guns" for any sort of restriction from the current status quo (SECOND AMENDMENT, SECOND AMENDMENT BITCHES!), when I'm not even advocating the removal of all weapons. Just assault rifles and the such.

But it is amusing in a "but her EMAILS!" way that this is now "but his GUN APPLICATION!" and yet far more serious misdemenours by Republicans get hand waved away by the deluded faithful as not important.
Its funny how people like you are convinced that better checks will stop gun violence completely.

We all know the reason we can't get gun reform and fix school shootings (and mass shootings in general) is because of Republicans.
Waiting for details of how Republicans can stop school shootings.

[ZariusTwo]

The hypocrisy is so damn sweet:

Doesn't change the fact both Libs and Rebs look like losers now.

[Cowabung-Gal]

And neither am I in general. Only better checks about who can have one, and what types of gun non-military people should be allowed. But you call that "banning guns" for any sort of restriction from the current status quo (SECOND AMENDMENT, SECOND AMENDMENT BITCHES!), when I'm not even advocating the removal of all weapons. Just assault rifles and the such.

Yeah but define “assault rifle”. They are constantly changing definitions so that they fit the narrative. You really think the gun-grabbing Democrats will stop at AR-15’s? The governor of New Mexico just tried to ban ALL guns, including firearms, in and around Albuquerque, but thankfully there are judges and sheriffs who still believe in the Constitution.

And if only the military is allowed to have specific guns, then the People would definitely be screwed if the government decided to go full Stalin and burn the Constitution. The only reason we’re a free country and have been free a country for nearly 300 years is because the common man is armed to the teeth. It wasn’t professional soldiers who defeated the British army; it was ordinary farmers and shoemakers who took up arms and decided that enough was enough. But that fighting spirit has diminished over the years because a lot of Americans have become lazy and dependent upon the government, with more and more of them leaning toward Marxist ideology and valuing security over freedom

[Wednesday's Serial]

And neither am I in general. Only better checks about who can have one, and what types of gun non-military people should be allowed. But you call that "banning guns" for any sort of restriction from the current status quo (SECOND AMENDMENT, SECOND AMENDMENT BITCHES!), when I'm not even advocating the removal of all weapons. Just assault rifles and the such.

But it is amusing in a "but her EMAILS!" way that this is now "but his GUN APPLICATION!" and yet far more serious misdemenours by Republicans get hand waved away by the deluded faithful as not important.

This was very well put, even if I don't 100% agree with you, I'm mostly with you.

Its funny how people like you are convinced that better checks will stop gun violence completely.

Waiting for details of how Republicans can stop school shootings.

- Better checks won't stop gun violence completely, but it would stop some cases that clearly should have been. Also it would create a better way to track these things and find ways to stop or mitigate in the future. Sometimes it's about taking the obvious step forward to get to the next one.

-Republicans can stop pushing for more guns everywhere and creating a culture that is trying to normalize people walking about with rifles out, making it hard to tell who's just a gun nut, and a nut with a gun. It's been found for instance that Republican gun policies allow guns to be brought in where there are stricter restrictions, or a lack of gun culture that would warrant such things affecting counties in California, Illinois, Colorado, and others.

Yeah but define “assault rifle”. They are constantly changing definitions so that they fit the narrative. You really think the gun-grabbing Democrats will stop at AR-15’s?

I don't, nor do I think independents who actually make a difference or democrats who blow hard and do nothing are being coy about the definitions, but as things keep changing the meaningful definition needs to keep up. Your point about tyranny is a bit outmoded. There have to be lines. I don't think making bazookas, gun-mounted drones, tanks, or other heavy ordinances publically available makes any sense at all. If you do, given the history of violence in even the last few years, how?

If you're going to argue people have a right to defend themselves that's one thing, but at a certain point, we're past defense. The classic understanding of an assault rifle is well beyond defense.

[Mayhem]

And if only the military is allowed to have specific guns, then the People would definitely be screwed if the government decided to go full Stalin and burn the Constitution. The only reason we’re a free country and have been free a country for nearly 300 years is because the common man is armed to the teeth. It wasn’t professional soldiers who defeated the British army; it was ordinary farmers and shoemakers who took up arms and decided that enough was enough.
Annnnnnnnnd I was waiting for a comment about fearing the Government is going to take control and override everything. This isn’t 1984, it’s paranoia, and is never going to happen for reasons too long to go into.

As for the ordinary farmers and shoemakers of the Revolution, they didn’t have assault rifles, just single ball muskets and pistols.

[Bahamut810]

It's funny to see how Rs treat gun issues when it's a political opponent as opposed to when it's a school shooting. Truly interesting!

Both sides do this. However, I have not seen any republicans trying to ban any guns. When your dad/position makes you immune to the same laws as everything else then you have to use your oppositions laws against them. I don't like government overreach but I am a-ok with using abusive government laws against the people who tout them.

We all know the reason we can't get gun reform and fix school shootings (and mass shootings in general) is because of Republicans. But look at how seriously they take it when it's Hunter Biden. The hypocrisy is so damn sweet.

The only gun reform that is being proposed is disarming our population, so don't act like people from that viewpoint are just asking for a few tiny changes and the republicans are just so stubborn they demand to be able to shoot all the puppies forever. We already have restrictions on a few individuals from being able to get firearms, and restrictions on what firearms can be purchased. Nothing that has been proposed will fix violence in schools.

And neither am I in general. Only better checks about who can have one, and what types of gun non-military people should be allowed. But you call that "banning guns" for any sort of restriction from the current status quo (SECOND AMENDMENT, SECOND AMENDMENT BITCHES!), when I'm not even advocating the removal of all weapons. Just assault rifles and the such.

You realize that you cant have it both ways...not calling for banning guns at the start of a paragraph does not mean you aren't calling for banning guns in the second half.

You are coming from a place of remarkable privilege, considering the reason why no other country will invade the USA and the reason why your country is more or less safe is because of our second amendment. We provide that protection to the western world for a very very low charge...You are welcome for us doing the hard part for you.

- Better checks won't stop gun violence completely, but it would stop some cases that clearly should have been. Also it would create a better way to track these things and find ways to stop or mitigate in the future. Sometimes it's about taking the obvious step forward to get to the next one.

What more can we do? I believe that we already have laws to make violent felons unable to own guns. Whose rights to you want to restrict for no reason then to make you feel better?

-Republicans can stop pushing for more guns everywhere and creating a culture that is trying to normalize people walking about with rifles out, making it hard to tell who's just a gun nut, and a nut with a gun. It's been found for instance that Republican gun policies allow guns to be brought in where there are stricter restrictions, or a lack of gun culture that would warrant such things affecting counties in California, Illinois, Colorado, and others.

Why should people not be armed in public? Being armed stops 500k~2m crimes a year. Why do you want people to be helpless?

Your point about tyranny is a bit outmoded.
How?

I don't think making bazookas, gun-mounted drones, tanks, or other heavy ordinances publically available makes any sense at all. If you do, given the history of violence in even the last few years, how?

How do you suggest we arm ourselves against enemies domestic if we aren't allowed access to similar arms to what they might have? It is already illegal to use your arms to harm people, so we just need to uphold those laws and add better education to our schools to do with firearms and laws. I am all for schools being more practical.

If you're going to argue people have a right to defend themselves that's one thing, but at a certain point, we're past defense. The classic understanding of an assault rifle is well beyond defense.

Not if you are preparing for someone with the same thing which is the exact intent of 2a.

[IMJ]

Annnnnnnnnd I was waiting for a comment about fearing the Government is going to take control and override everything. This isn’t 1984, it’s paranoia, and is never going to happen for reasons too long to go into.

As for the ordinary farmers and shoemakers of the Revolution, they didn’t have assault rifles, just single ball muskets and pistols.

And yet for your cliche and often repeated statements there is never anything more or deeper from anyone who takes your position other than what you've already said. And yet, even for your cliche wordplay (i.e. "They had MUSKETS!!!", e.g. so did the government eyeroll) smarter, wiser and more educated people have upheld the constitution repeatedly whether people like you understand it or not.

My point? Your circular opinions don't matter because it isn't going to change. So go lament your past, permanent, and ongoing social losses on this issue, because nobody in America is going to outlaw the right to private gun ownership on arguments as empty and cliche as yours.

You take a permanent, "forever L" when you take this position. Evidenced by the fact that it has never changed since the inception of the Constitution and it won't. And you'd fail any test that even remotely dabbled in Public Administration with your nonsense - I'll educate you - it's not "paranoia" but rather social checks and balances that create 360 degree accountability. Not that I expect someone like you to understand that. -shrugs- Oh well, like I said you have a permanent "L" in most of your "political views" because.... well.... you change nothing. You aren't smarter or wiser than the founding fathers and you aren't smarter or wiser than the judges who repeatedly hold these laws up. You loose. Over and over again.

And the truth? I don't care about your worthless opinion. You aren't even an American and you are a guy posting wordplay arguments about a topic you have never lived nor embraced and you do it on a Ninja Turtles forum. You've got nothing of merit other than your opinion, which we all know are like @$$holes. I only care that you speak about it in a dug-in fashion as if you know what you are talking about. Like I said - most of your political opinions are a permanent an ongoing loss for you as evidenced basically by society as a whole.

[Mayhem]

You realize that you cant have it both ways...not calling for banning guns at the start of a paragraph does not mean you aren't calling for banning guns in the second half.
Okay let me rationalise this in a way you can interpret then. I’m calling for banning SOME guns, not ALL guns. To me, the sole phrase “banning guns” means ALL guns, evidently to you it also means some not just all :roll:

America isn’t the world police, as witnessed by the fact as a proportion of military spending, they’ve committed far less to helping Ukraine than other countries. Which is a good thing in a way. Although for the people bitching about how much America IS spending on Ukraine, it’s less than 5% of the overall military budget, let alone anything like Medicare for example.

And the truth? I don't care about your worthless opinion. You aren't even an American and you are a guy posting wordplay arguments about a topic you have never lived nor embraced and you do it on a Ninja Turtles forum. You've got nothing of merit other than your opinion, which we all know are like @$$holes. I only care that you speak about it in a dug-in fashion as if you know what you are talking about. Like I said - most of your political opinions are a permanent an ongoing loss for you as evidenced basically by society as a whole.
And guess what, neither do I about your opinion either, so we’re even there. It’s flaccid and offers nothing of value. You don’t know me. I know people affected by the mass shootings here that led to restrictions on firearm ownership in the 80s and 90s in the UK. Ask Andy Murray the tennis player. He sat under a table while someone shot up his school in 1996. At least I’m willing to alter my position on matters with new evidence. You’re more dug in than an Alabama tick who ain’t got time to bleed, blind to the obvious.

[Sumac]

Annnnnnnnnd I was waiting for a comment about fearing the Government is going to take control and override everything. This isn’t 1984, it’s paranoia, and is never going to happen for reasons too long to go into.

As for the ordinary farmers and shoemakers of the Revolution, they didn’t have assault rifles, just single ball muskets and pistols.
See, mate, if recent history taught me anything it is "it never happens, until it does". And why do you think US so far never had any rampant dictator? Maybe the fact that people can and will fight for their freedoms has something to do with it? Not all of them, of course, but just enough not to pull this **** out, at least not in the open?

Yes, it has an ugly side to it, like worshipping and normalization of violence, but between country being a prison / military camp, degenerating into a society of sheep and relatively free country with some warts I choose the latter. If you want to choose former you can always buy ticket to North Korea or some African countries.

[Bahamut810]

America isn’t the world police, as witnessed by the fact as a proportion of military spending, they’ve committed far less to helping Ukraine than other countries. Which is a good thing in a way. Although for the people bitching about how much America IS spending on Ukraine, it’s less than 5% of the overall military budget, let alone anything like Medicare for example.

No, we aren't the world police. We are a world stabilizer. The US military has been the force that has stopped aggressive foreign powers from invading our allies through military deterrent, considering all our NATO allies couldn't be bothered to step up until the last few years.

[Sumac]

No, we aren't the world police. We are a world stabilizer. The US military has been the force that has stopped aggressive foreign powers from invading our allies through military deterrent, considering all our NATO allies couldn't be bothered to step up until the last few years.
This is true.

However, as with everything there is an ugly side to it, where US enabled and weaponized various totalitarian regimes and leaders just so their countries wouldn't end up in the hands of commies.

Not to mention recent campaigns in Iraq and Afghanistan. While both countries were shitholes with totalitarian despot in one and horrid cult in another, US involvement did little to make situation better.

Overall, US had positive influence on the world, but with great power comes great arrogance and some ethically questionable actions.

[Mayhem]

That I will agree, the second Iraq invasion was never justified and there’s still a portion of people in this country who want Bush and Blair charged with war crimes even some 20 years on.

Idealistic aims and all, but in the words of Grand Moff Tarkin, fear will keep the locals in line, fear of this regime. And that’s what Saddam did. As soon as he was deposed and hanged, all matter of chaos unleashed from all the splinter factions he’d scared into submission. I’m typing this and The Hurt Locker was on TV last night, strange coincidence.

[Sumac]

That I will agree, the second Iraq invasion was never justified and there’s still a portion of people in this country who want Bush and Blair charged with war crimes even some 20 years on.

Idealistic aims and all, but in the words of Grand Moff Tarkin, fear will keep the locals in line, fear of this regime. And that’s what Saddam did. As soon as he was deposed and hanged, all matter of chaos unleashed from all the splinter factions he’d scared into submission. I’m typing this and The Hurt Locker was on TV last night, strange coincidence.
One thing is not better than the other.
Saddam was a bastard who brought fear, but US deposed him and brought chaos and, which led to rise of ISIL and pain in the ass for the Middle East and Europe (via migrants and all rhetoric associated with it). All in all, it was net negative for everyone.

Its not that Saddam should have stayed in power (though whereas foreign invasion to depose him was justified is another question all together, since it opens a lot of uncomfortable perspectives), but the way it was handled was nothing short of horrible. Not to mention it barely had anything to do with 9/11.

Twice as strange as there were some evidences tying terrorists to Saudi Arabia, but since SA is a big ally of US, they got scot free.

As our prominent satirist said: "to answer acts of terror committed by someone unknown, US attacked unknown whos".

The whole campaign looked less like an answer to 9/11, but like an attempt to support narrative / ideology "US vs Terrorists" as a replacement to "US vs USSR", but it never was successful. In part, cultural and political crisis of nowadays is a by-product of this.

Nowadays attempts to establish "US vs China" as a an attempt to establish new "Cold War" ideology (not that China helps to make things better - it is a totalitarian shithole), but in a new global world its simply impossible.

[Mayhem]

Far from me to condone Saddam’s regime, yes he was a horrible person. And living in Iraq for many people, some days it was Sunni, and some days it was Shi’ite :trolleye:

[Andrew NDB]

One thing is not better than the other.
Saddam was a bastard who brought fear, but US deposed him and brought chaos and, which led to rise of ISIL and pain in the ass for the Middle East and Europe (via migrants and all rhetoric associated with it). All in all, it was net negative for everyone.

Its not that Saddam should have stayed in power (though whereas foreign invasion to depose him was justified is another question all together, since it opens a lot of uncomfortable perspectives), but the way it was handled was nothing short of horrible. Not to mention it barely had anything to do with 9/11.

Twice as strange as there were some evidences tying terrorists to Saudi Arabia, but since SA is a big ally of US, they got scot free.

As our prominent satirist said: "to answer acts of terror committed by someone unknown, US attacked unknown whos".

The whole campaign looked less like an answer to 9/11, but like an attempt to support narrative / ideology "US vs Terrorists" as a replacement to "US vs USSR", but it never was successful. In part, cultural and political crisis of nowadays is a by-product of this.

Nowadays attempts to establish "US vs China" as a an attempt to establish new "Cold War" ideology (not that China helps to make things better - it is a totalitarian shithole), but in a new global world its simply impossible.

Yes, I agree with this. This is what it was.

[Cowabung-Gal]

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https://media.tenor.com/j0DvG9NfhyQAAAAC/husky-dog-eyeroll-eye-roll.gif

This man truly is a symbol of the establishment. :lol::lol::lol:

[Vegita-San]

One thing is not better than the other.
Saddam was a bastard who brought fear, but US deposed him and brought chaos and, which led to rise of ISIL and pain in the ass for the Middle East and Europe (via migrants and all rhetoric associated with it). All in all, it was net negative for everyone.

Its not that Saddam should have stayed in power (though whereas foreign invasion to depose him was justified is another question all together, since it opens a lot of uncomfortable perspectives), but the way it was handled was nothing short of horrible. Not to mention it barely had anything to do with 9/11.

Twice as strange as there were some evidences tying terrorists to Saudi Arabia, but since SA is a big ally of US, they got scot free.

As our prominent satirist said: "to answer acts of terror committed by someone unknown, US attacked unknown whos".

The whole campaign looked less like an answer to 9/11, but like an attempt to support narrative / ideology "US vs Terrorists" as a replacement to "US vs USSR", but it never was successful. In part, cultural and political crisis of nowadays is a by-product of this.

Nowadays attempts to establish "US vs China" as a an attempt to establish new "Cold War" ideology (not that China helps to make things better - it is a totalitarian shithole), but in a new global world its simply impossible.


the fact that it had nothing to do with 9/11 is part of the reason why I think bush NEW 9/11 was going to happen ahead of time, and LET it happen to get his precious war that daddy couldn't finish.

whether he set it all up is a different story, but I think the above I wrote is more or less true at this point. no way those planes should have been able to get that low without being noticed long before.

[TheCanadiandrome]

Far from me to condone Saddam’s regime, yes he was a horrible person. And living in Iraq for many people, some days it was Sunni, and some days it was Shi’ite :trolleye:

Woah woah too soon too soon lol :lol::lol:

[Sumac]

the fact that it had nothing to do with 9/11 is part of the reason why I think bush NEW 9/11 was going to happen ahead of time, and LET it happen to get his precious war that daddy couldn't finish.

whether he set it all up is a different story, but I think the above I wrote is more or less true at this point. no way those planes should have been able to get that low without being noticed long before.
Never underestimate human laziness and stupidity.

[Andrew NDB]

Steve Forbes: "Is Biden president in name only?"

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[Sumac]

Didn't expect it from Forbes.

[Vegita-San]

of course he is. they created the farce of jan 6th to hide SOMETHING.

their 11th hour ploy worked, while disney's attempt to keep power failed :)

[IMJ]

of course he is. they created the farce of jan 6th to hide SOMETHING.

their 11th hour ploy worked, while disney's attempt to keep power failed :)

Be careful - there are some around here who are in cope mode about Disney even more than assault mode on Trump!

[Andrew NDB]

"Threat to democracy," "January 6th," blah blah.

[IMJ]

"Threat to democracy," "January 6th," blah blah.

I saw a video of some clown, I think it was CNN - where the host was interviewing a cop from the Capital. The host held back phony tears and was like "excuse me, I'm going to try to get through this..." and then he vomited out "THANK you. For what you did that day..." as he was huffing tears back.

I don't know what is more pathetic - that we are at a point where journalists actually act these things out, or that there is a viewing public who literally watches it and eats it up.

[Cowabung-Gal]

I saw a video of some clown, I think it was CNN - where the host was interviewing a cop from the Capital. The host held back phony tears and was like "excuse me, I'm going to try to get through this..." and then he vomited out "THANK you. For what you did that day..." as he was huffing tears back.

Did they mention the fact that it was the cops who let some of the people enter the building, waving them in even?

[Bahamut810]

At this point I just want a pair other then Trump and Biden. I am tired of both of them...they are both bad for the USA.

[Sumac]

I've got an idea - a wrestling match between them.
Even has nicknames for those two - Angry Orange vs Lost Puppet.
Let them duke it out, meanwhile, hopefully real sane politicians will step up.

Realistically won't happen, since ruling circles are too infected with a current political ****, to rule, as opposed to virtue signal to one side or the other.

Guess, something big must happen to clean this mess up.

[IMJ]

Did they mention the fact that it was the cops who let some of the people enter the building, waving them in even?

It drives me crazy that there are people who would watch that interview and not be utterly insulted at CNN's manipulation. I mean - it's such stunted $#!( tactics that I can't believe even the average peasant-thinker isn't angered by it.

But then again these are the people for whom Schumer literally wheeled a poster and a pointer out to manipulate when Bader-Ginsburg died. That's how dumb the Dems go down to to manipulate the average leftist....

https://i.imgur.com/GyCrivYm.jpg

Their own leadership literally calling the constituency dumb children by this action, yet they eat it up and get mad when you point out the reality to them. Always going to be a peasant-thinker population to stir up. Always has been, always will be.

[TurtleManiac]

"Threat to democracy," "January 6th," blah blah.

I still don’t see how they call it an “insurrection”. 1/6/2021 Trump was still President, so he supposedly orchestrated an insurrection on… himself?

At this point I just want a pair other then Trump and Biden. I am tired of both of them...they are both bad for the USA.

There’s really no other options. It’s either 4 more years of Biden war mongering, inflation, crime and illegal invaders,… or bringing Trump back to clean up and save the country. The problem is Trump’s reputation has been destroyed by leftist media since 2016, so I think alot of people are afraid of openly supporting Trump, “the T word”, either cause of their jobs or fear of being labeled “far right extremist”. That along with voter fraud could help Biden, if he even makes it to the election.

I've got an idea - a wrestling match between them.
Even has nicknames for those two - Angry Orange vs Lost Puppet.
Let them duke it out, meanwhile, hopefully real sane politicians will step up.

Realistically won't happen, since ruling circles are too infected with a current political ****, to rule, as opposed to virtue signal to one side or the other.

Guess, something big must happen to clean this mess up.

I think Trump might be down for that, since he has experience in the wrestling ring :lol: When he and Bobby Lashley defeated Vince McMahon and Umaga. Biden has threatened that he wants to “take Trump out back behind the gym”, but dude could barely walk and now has dementia. It is so crazy seeing a U.S. President crawling around on the floor.

[Andrew NDB]

I still don’t see how they call it an “insurrection”. 1/6/2021 Trump was still President, so he supposedly orchestrated an insurrection on… himself?

It's not even that, though that's its own thing. "We came THIS close to the country being usurped by insurrectionists!" They say this with a straight face, yet there's no way they can believe it. It's not true. It's not even remotely in the realm of anything resembling reality. Some hecklers with no plan or anything barged in and/or were largely let in and mucked about a little bit, hung out in offices and were arrested. And the people saying this don't even understand -- or more appropriately, are pretending not to understand -- what "insurrection" means. There's still honestly tons of people that believe 1/6 was like a bloodbath, that all these people died... yet there was only one death, and it was a woman that was in there and shot by a cop and bled out. That's it.

wtf are they talking about? They need January 6th so badly as this perpetual kind of cudgel against conservatives it's really pretty sad. It shows that that's the best they've got, really. All this time, they were waiting and waiting and hoping for some kind of big right wing explosion... and it never came. But they got this, at least, so they took it. They've really lost all the centrists and most independents with their constant beating of the drum about it.

There’s really no other options. It’s either 4 more years of Biden war mongering, inflation, crime and illegal invaders,… or bringing Trump back to clean up and save the country. The problem is Trump’s reputation has been destroyed by leftist media since 2016, so I think a lot of people are afraid of openly supporting Trump, “the T word”, either cause of their jobs or fear of being labeled “far right extremist”.

There's really no good option here. Honestly. Biden wins and it's just more empty puppetry from the extreme left's agenda until he drops dead and then it's Kamala... and even the left doesn't want that. Trump wins and yeah, he'll make some positive changes where he's allowed to... but get ready for 4 years of insanity from the left, who controls all entertainment media because he knows how to poke the bear and loves doing it. Everything will again become a Trump metaphor, we'll get more fake Russian innuendo and people swearing up and down "ANY... DAY... NOW!!!" annoyingly all over all social media and regular media over even the faintest perceived misstep. Doomsday articles left and right hanging on some joke Tweet he makes, and then about the next, and the next, and etcetera. It'll just be obnoxious all around. I guess I'd take the latter because I sure don't want to see what "Phase 2" is after "let's normalize Drag Queen Story Hour in schools, CRT, and obliterate meritocracy and the nuclear family and bend the knee in all foreign affairs" but it's not going to be pretty or pleasant if it's a Trump win. Like, for us. In the day to day. It'd be a victory, but the left will make sure we suffer for it and Trump won't change his playbook.

Honestly, my best case scenario is that Trump gets somehow removed or deposed, and it comes down to Biden vs. DeSantis or even Haley. I like DeSantis but I can get how his pretty sterile approach could rub people the wrong way. And I don't even really like Haley all the way, and in a few things I've seen... yikes. But either one would be way, way more preferable to what we'd be looking at with Trump. Like, big picture. Think, the next 4 years after the election. At least it'd be the left figuring out how to turn DeSantis or Haley into Hitler as opposed to just them trotting out the same tired playbook in doing the same with Trump... in everything. Everywhere. All the time. There'd at least be a learning curve with someone other than him. Maybe we'd have a semi-OK year and a half after the first month, give or take, lol.

[Sumac]

At least it'd be the left figuring out how to turn DeSantis or Haley into Hitler as opposed to just them trotting out the same tired playbook in doing the same with Trump... in everything. Everywhere. All the time. There'd at least be a learning curve with someone other than him.
I don't think they will even other with figuring it out.
Like in case of Trump- the whole story about Russian collusion was a fake created by ex-Russian agent, who fed Clinton allies whatever they wanted to hear.

It was fake though and thorough, but it was memed into reality by leftards to a point where a lot of people believed it, even though there were no real prove of it and it was later debunked.

Or the case of Cavanuagh, where some random woman said he nearly raped her and then it was revealed that she was so drunk or high she didn't remember when and what had happened and who had touched her, if it all.

Point is, in a modern day world, Leftards just can accuse people of whatever they want and they have enough loyal followers who will simply believe it without any kind of prove. And will continue to believe it, even when accusations will be disapproved ("the guilty part was previliged and escaped judgement, they have hired wrong detectives, they paid investigators, e.t.c.").

So getting squeaky clean GOP politician is useless. They will accuse him of being a Nazi simply by the fact he is part of Republican party. And trust me, some of the leftards unequivocally believe that all Republicans are Nazis who wanted to enslave blacks and kill gays. So its all for naught. Just get some politician who clean the house and do it effectively, regardless of Leftards seething.

[TurtleManiac]

There's really no good option here. Honestly. Biden wins and it's just more empty puppetry from the extreme left's agenda until he drops dead and then it's Kamala... and even the left doesn't want that. Trump wins and yeah, he'll make some positive changes where he's allowed to... but get ready for 4 years of insanity from the left, who controls all entertainment media because he knows how to poke the bear and loves doing it. Everything will again become a Trump metaphor, we'll get more fake Russian innuendo and people swearing up and down "ANY... DAY... NOW!!!" annoyingly all over all social media and regular media over even the faintest perceived misstep. Doomsday articles left and right hanging on some joke Tweet he makes, and then about the next, and the next, and etcetera. It'll just be obnoxious all around. I guess I'd take the latter because I sure don't want to see what "Phase 2" is after "let's normalize Drag Queen Story Hour in schools, CRT, and obliterate meritocracy and the nuclear family and bend the knee in all foreign affairs" but it's not going to be pretty or pleasant if it's a Trump win. Like, for us. In the day to day. It'd be a victory, but the left will make sure we suffer for it and Trump won't change his playbook.

Honestly, my best case scenario is that Trump gets somehow removed or deposed, and it comes down to Biden vs. DeSantis or even Haley. I like DeSantis but I can get how his pretty sterile approach could rub people the wrong way. And I don't even really like Haley all the way, and in a few things I've seen... yikes. But either one would be way, way more preferable to what we'd be looking at with Trump. Like, big picture. Think, the next 4 years after the election. At least it'd be the left figuring out how to turn DeSantis or Haley into Hitler as opposed to just them trotting out the same tired playbook in doing the same with Trump... in everything. Everywhere. All the time. There'd at least be a learning curve with someone other than him. Maybe we'd have a semi-OK year and a half after the first month, give or take, lol.

I’d still rather it be Trump. DeSantis and Haley are establishment shills, both condemning Trump for J6. The left won’t change their ways, regardless of who’s President, Trump’s been out office 3 years now and it’s still “never Trump!” 24/7, even with their beloved Biden as President. Pretty sure they’ve already painted DeSantis as a “nazi” anyway, and I don’t know much about Haley, but anyone who says her “inspiration” of getting into politics was Hilary Clinton, probably can’t be trusted.

Let the commies lose their minds all over again when Trump wins, how long can they keep up the act? There’s more on the line now. It’s already been 4 years of the left screeching during Trump Presidency, plus another 3 years while the world witnessed the Biden disaster. This time around they won’t have Jack Dorsey controlling free speech on Twitter. Elon Musk doesn’t silence and ban conservatives like Jack was doing, and that could play a huge role for 2024. Citizens are suffering financially, everyone is fed up with leftism at this point. Maybe Trump won’t be as nice to them this time around and actually start arresting corrupt politicians, after all these additional bogus lawsuits and witch hunt they’ve been trying to frame him with since he first announced the 2024 campaign.

[Mayhem]

This time around they won’t have Jack Dorsey controlling free speech on Twitter.
There’s no such thing as free speech on a private owned platform, it’s under their rules. You want free speech, take a megaphone and a box and shout on a street corner. And anyhow First Amendment is about government interference. Police can still do you if it’s hate speech for starters…

[TurtleManiac]

There’s no such thing as free speech on a private owned platform, it’s under their rules. You want free speech, take a megaphone and a box and shout on a street corner. And anyhow First Amendment is about government interference.

It’s still election interference, burying the Hunter laptop story etc anything negative about Biden was censored and suppressed the story, while banning conservatives on twitter, even went as far as banning a sitting President, after Trump called for peace on J6. They silenced a political candidate on their huge global “private platform”, while his opposition was free to spread dangerous misinformation.

Police can still do you if it’s hate speech for starters…

Maybe in England? Not here in America, but the left IS trying. They’ve changed the definition of what they consider “hate speech”. Keeps moving the goal posts to fit their narrative. That’s what modern day leftism is all about, fascism in the name of “it’s for the greater good”.

[Sumac]

There’s no such thing as free speech on a private owned platform, it’s under their rules. You want free speech, take a megaphone and a box and shout on a street corner. And anyhow First Amendment is about government interference. Police can still do you if it’s hate speech for starters…
Please, don't play, stupid.
You are perfectly AWARE what people mean when they say "free speech".

Its totalitarian clowns like you had twisted its meaning to become "hate speech" or "there is no free speech on private owned platform".

Its all "goobliedook" garbage, people like you say to obscure the fact that you are losing control over narrative and trying to pretend that it was not you who censored people, but some abstract platforms on their own initiative. As if Twatter didn't had the whole group which was specifically dedicated to censorship in favor of SJW trash ideals.

You are losing control and it sets a fire under your ass, because, without control YOU and your phony ideals you love to virtue signal about are NOTHING. People won't support you on their own and you are perfectly aware of it. And scared of it, because it will rob you of only power and importance you have in your life.

[Vegita-San]

It drives me crazy that there are people who would watch that interview and not be utterly insulted at CNN's manipulation. I mean - it's such stunted $#!( tactics that I can't believe even the average peasant-thinker isn't angered by it.

But then again these are the people for whom Schumer literally wheeled a poster and a pointer out to manipulate when Bader-Ginsburg died. That's how dumb the Dems go down to to manipulate the average leftist....



in my interactions with people like rob paulsen, an apparent hard core lefty...
-point out guards where waving people into the capitol... He'll just put his fingers in his ears and say 'But trump!'

-point out all the clear evidence against Biden and his son, he'll say 'but, I do they have 91 felony indictments against them?'

these people are SO far gone...they'll believe anything they are told, and REFUSE to do any thinking for themselves. or, if they do, they REFUSE to admit it, because it'll make them look bad among their 'peers'..

[IMJ]

It's literally like dealing with kids in 5th grade using the same level of conversational power tactics instead of conversation.

[Mayhem]

Please, don't play, stupid.
You are perfectly AWARE what people mean when they say "free speech".

No, actually you’d be surprised, so many people think “free speech” means the right to say anything they like without consequences when… well, we know quite often there ARE consequences.

And I’ll repeat, there is no true free speech on any private platform. Their rules, their censorship. You don’t like it, boycott the platform then. I’m not commenting on whether I agree with said rules (albeit I did chuckle when Musk announced unbanning Trump because I knew he’d not return anyhow) but those are the ones you had to abide by agreeing when using the platform. Most of them are monster size enough that there’s no way to police content effectively, so no one goes home happy.

[Sumac]

No, actually you’d be surprised, so many people think “free speech” means the right to say anything they like without consequences when… well, we know quite often there ARE consequences.
In a perfect society that would be true.
Everyone has right to speak their mind, but their ideas are countered by others. Without censorship, policing speech or moderation or violence.

And I’ll repeat, there is no true free speech on any private platform.
And it has nothing to do with what most people mean, when they are saying "free speech" in a Western web.

Even completely obvious and harmless statements, like "men can't become women" or "women don't have dicks" or, in some cases mentioning Harry Potter in any context is considered offensive. While, yes, "their rules - their censorship" it doesn't make those rules less absurd or retarded.

[The Deadman]

Welp Trump wins Iowa.

[Cowabung-Gal]

in some cases mentioning Harry Potter in any context is considered offensive.

Ironic. First it was, “Only fuddy-duddy Bible-thumping conservatives hate Harry Potter and there’s nothing wrong with the franchise”. Now it’s, “Only ignorant enablers and transphobes love Harry Potter and the franchise is evil.”

[IMJ]

Welp Trump wins Iowa.

Be careful - you might make Mayhem bug up and write an entire liberal treatise here on the forums about America while his own country goes to complete $#!( and no one even cares enough to discuss it.... :lol:

[Stu_Padasso]

Per Fox News Live Vivek Ramsaswany is suspending his campaign and endorsing Trump.

[Andrew NDB]

Per Fox News Live Vivek Ramsaswany is suspending his campaign and endorsing Trump.

Sounds about right. He was just caught whispering to voters off-mic that if he wins, he will "save" Trump, meaning pardon him. He doesn't need it and he didn't appreciate that.

[Stu_Padasso]

Sounds about right. He was just caught whispering to voters off-mic that if he wins, he will "save" Trump, meaning pardon him. He doesn't need it and he didn't appreciate that.

Hmm. Didn’t know that.

I still wonder if he’s still positioning himself to be Trump’s VP candidate.

[Bahamut810]

Per Fox News Live Vivek Ramsaswany is suspending his campaign and endorsing Trump.

That really sucks. I don't know all his positions, but I wanted to appreciate asking people to justify how supporting him was racist.

[Stu_Padasso]

Watching a replay of Nikki Haley’s speech for third place. Giving me a younger neo-conservative version of Hillary Clinton vibe.

That really sucks. I don't know all his positions, but I wanted to appreciate asking people to justify how supporting him was racist.

I’m conflicted. In his speech, Vivek says he wants to eliminate 75 percent of the federal bureaucracy, but he really doesn’t have any chance of winning. Trump, who is the more pragmatic choice as a reluctant libertarian, says in his speech that he wants to give law enforcement total immunity.

Meanwhile, Newsmax2 on Roku is playing the documentary Waco: The Rules of Engagement.

[Andrew NDB]

I still wonder if he’s still positioning himself to be Trump’s VP candidate.

There is no "still" -- he was directly asked and repeatedly by Bill Maher if he'd be Trump's VP and he kept saying no. There is of course the large chance he was lying.

[Mayhem]

Be careful - you might make Mayhem bug up and write an entire liberal treatise here on the forums about America while his own country goes to complete $#!( and no one even cares enough to discuss it.... :lol:
Hardly, considering how far he is generally ahead in the polls, it isn't a particular surprise, and why would there be any bugging up? The sad truth is, people either still like the orange lying rapist or the other candidates aren't worth voting for. Probably a bit of both.

And give the police total immnuty? Erm no thanks, so if they shoot someone, they can't be held accountable? That's just asking for horrific backlash, you'd have civil suits up the wazoo (basically what happened to OJ after he was found "innocent" in trial).

[Barkworm]

I had been following American politics for almost 20 years because they used to be much more entertaining than ours. But seeing the world‘s biggest democracy falling for this dangerous clown FOR A SECOND TIME is nothing short of terrifying.

[Sumac]

I had been following American politics for almost 20 years because they used to be much more entertaining than ours. But seeing the world‘s biggest democracy falling for this dangerous clown FOR A SECOND TIME is nothing short of terrifying.
This is why we all should hope Biden won't be re-elected.

[IMJ]

I had been following American politics for almost 20 years because they used to be much more entertaining than ours. But seeing the world‘s biggest democracy falling for this dangerous clown FOR A SECOND TIME is nothing short of terrifying.

Of course everyone is entitled to their opinions about personalities and so on. It's human nature. But I think the thing to consider is how great of a President the guy was if you remove the social strife from the equation.

Global affairs, economic growth, America's power positioning, and diplomacy were all not only well positioned, but were fully optimized. Which is actually what a President should be doing. Yet, we had endless social strife and a cross section of the population bugging up over things like "persecution" and other "evils" that never actually manifested outside of their own behavoir.

And so my question is, if you can accept those statements and operate with the simple truth that you basically just don't like the guy, and without piling on because you don't like him, my question is "what's the problem?"

[Andrew NDB]

I had been following American politics for almost 20 years because they used to be much more entertaining than ours. But seeing the world‘s biggest democracy falling for this dangerous clown FOR A SECOND TIME is nothing short of terrifying.

The alternative is unthinkable.

Wait, what am I saying? Closed borders, lower taxes, getting CRT and gender ideology out of the classrooms... this is horrible stuff! We need 4 more years of Biden. The country is clearly way better off than it was in 2019.

[Mayhem]

Closed borders
Yes because the wall worked :lol: he even said walls don't work long before becoming President and lo and behold, then tries to prove they do. At the same time as adding 40% to the national debt to fund taxcuts for the rich.

[Cowabung-Gal]

I had been following American politics for almost 20 years because they used to be much more entertaining than ours. But seeing the world‘s biggest democracy falling for this dangerous clown FOR A SECOND TIME is nothing short of terrifying.

Well, that’s what happens when a senile establishment puppet forces our borders wide open, ignites WW3 and sucks our bank accounts dry. People are that desperate.

[Bahamut810]

And give the police total immnuty? Erm no thanks, so if they shoot someone, they can't be held accountable? That's just asking for horrific backlash, you'd have civil suits up the wazoo (basically what happened to OJ after he was found "innocent" in trial).

I completely agree with this. Police are very needed in society and should be held accountable for their actions. The flip side of this is that people also need to be informed and not start and insurrection when the police do something they don't like, but is reasonable.

[Barkworm]

While I’m always open to all kinds of opinions, I’ve once again come to the conclusion that there are certain things, I don’t need in my life. I think I‘ll just leave you guys in your filter bubble and return to mine. Take care. :)

[IMJ]

Yes because the wall worked :lol: he even said walls don't work long before becoming President and lo and behold, then tries to prove they do. At the same time as adding 40% to the national debt to fund taxcuts for the rich.

:roll: Gaslighter. This is how you all are. You can't have a conversation on it's own merits so instead you make presumptive statements and ignore reality. And that right there is why you lefties are automatically, fundamentally wrong. Can't even discuss without perverted psychology.

The math is simple. All of Trump's actions were more straightforward and aligned than any gaslighting and double-speak from the left. You don't like the guy so you ignore his results. Results that become even more pronounced when compared to the Democrat runs that framed around his own.

This is just like the Disney thread - the company is clearly restructuring after years of woke failure and expenditure and you still tried to argue for Disney's behavior in disregard of management's decision making. It's pathetic. You are the poster child for the guy standing in the fire saying "it's fine" and arguing with everyone about the merit of the structure in defiance of the evidence and of reality.

[Andrew NDB]

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[Mayhem]

The math is simple. All of Trump's actions were more straightforward and aligned than any gaslighting and double-speak from the left. You don't like the guy so you ignore his results. Results that become even more pronounced when compared to the Democrat runs that framed around his own.
I don't like the guy, you know that. But I'm not saying everything done during his tenure was bad or wrong, far from it, there were some positives. World stage politics went well, unshackled some labour laws for the economy, even appealed to some black voters, First Step, more funding for space exploration, and others.

But the mis-steps were huge - being caught up in Russian allegations and Putin ass licking; mishandling Covid19 spectacularly; he spent too much and the tax cuts went to the wrong people (hence the 40% jump in national debt); various comments on events especially Charlottesville; and underestimated the use of mainstream social media who deplatformed him as a result.

[Sumac]

and underestimated the use of mainstream social media who deplatformed him as a result.
Media was trying to deplatform Trump since before he was a president, though not in full force and even before he did anything as a president.

[Mayhem]

Media was trying to deplatform Trump since before he was a president, though not in full force and even before he did anything as a president.
Perhaps, but I never heard about such matters, mostly his Tweets, until after he was President.

[Sumac]

Perhaps, but I never heard about such matters, mostly his Tweets, until after he was President.
They have started to **** on him right after he was elected.

I was there in a certain SJW-ridden place, when I was SJW myself and have seen their reaction. This is in part is the reason why I am no longer SJW.

[Cowabung-Gal]

hZdTm9NZoJ0

You guys still believe in the so-called “integrity” of the feds?

Social credit is coming our way, if it isn’t already here. And if your religion isn’t approved by the State, good luck trying to buy a house or even food

[Vegita-San]

hZdTm9NZoJ0

You guys still believe in the so-called “integrity” of the feds?

Social credit is coming our way, if it isn’t already here. And if your religion isn’t approved by the State, good luck trying to buy a house or even food

not a fan of ALL Religion. think it causes more strife, violence and hate than it's worth.....but if it's not doing harm to anyone, and largely good, you should be able to practice what you believe openly.

[Vegita-San]

They have started to **** on him right after he was elected.

I was there in a certain SJW-ridden place, when I was SJW myself and have seen their reaction. This is in part is the reason why I am no longer SJW.

this is how most of the former devotees seem to cure themselves of the woke mind virus. the cure doesn't seem to have hit mayhem, or some others yet.

[Mayhem]

He still thinks I’m woke, how cute :lol:

You guys still believe in the so-called “integrity” of the feds?

Social credit is coming our way, if it isn’t already here. And if your religion isn’t approved by the State, good luck trying to buy a house or even food
They spy on everyone, I’m sure it not just people buying Bibles now…

[Sumac]

He still thinks I’m woke, how cute :lol:
When shoe fits...

[Cowabung-Gal]

They spy on everyone, I’m sure it not just people buying Bibles now…

Oh, I know they spy on everyone, from Muslim immigrants to parents who protest the idea of their six-year-old kids being shown p*** in school.

[TurtleManiac]

Leftists keep saying things like how “terrifying” it would be if Trump becomes President again. What do you think is their biggest fear? Is it the ban on “gender affirming care” for children without parental consent? That seems to really terrify the left. Or is it more to do with increased border security, keeping unvetted third world invaders out of our country? Also a big concern of the left.

Remember celebs like Eminem singing about how Trump would start a nuclear war and such nonsense, and here we are with Biden on the brink of world war 3. I will never understand leftist logic.

[Sumac]

Remember celebs like Eminem singing about how Trump would start a nuclear war and such nonsense, and here we are with Biden on the brink of world war 3. I will never understand leftist logic.
Celebs are dumb and live in their ivory towers disconnected from the rest of the people.

****s like them supported Bolshevik Revolution in 1917, believing that Russian people "needed to be free from a horrible Monarchy". And while Russian Monarchy was certainly outdated and rather strict it was nowhere near close to what Bolsheviks had started to do, when they got the power.

But those celebs (back then called "intelligentsia") had figured it out only, when Bolsheviks had started to steal their homes and money for the sake of "workers", because, get that, totalitarian regimes, apparently don't need thinking people, even on their own side, unless they are 100% allied with them.

Same old **** as always.

[Mayhem]

What I didn't actually realise until earlier is that less than 8% of registered (thus eligible) Iowa Republicans actually voted in the primary. So less than one in twelve known GoP supporters, which is absolutely no indication about who they actually prefer. So literally under 4% of registered GoP supporters voted for Trump.

Now DeSantis has dropped, it's looking even more straightforward however.

[IMJ]

:o
:roll:

[Andrew NDB]

Oh look, the left now wants to change the term "sex offender."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/washington-state-democrats-propose-replacing-term-sex-offender-advance-person-first-approach

[ZariusTwo]

What next? Assign someone the name "Peter File" to protect the predator legally?

[TurtleManiac]

What I didn't actually realise until earlier is that less than 8% of registered (thus eligible) Iowa Republicans actually voted in the primary. So less than one in twelve known GoP supporters, which is absolutely no indication about who they actually prefer. So literally under 4% of registered GoP supporters voted for Trump.

Now DeSantis has dropped, it's looking even more straightforward however.

President Trump is now more popular than ever. Both Vivek and DeSantis have endorsed Trump. Are they far right extremists too? Who’s gonna be left to support Nikki? Democrats? She’s really starting to come off as a Democrat in disguise, and the allegations that she cheated on her husband with 2 other men probably doesn’t help her campaign. America doesn’t want another globalist WEF puppet, Never Nikki!

In a way we kinda needed this 4 years of radical leftist fascism, to show the world what we’re up against. Trump would have been getting ready to leave government soon, but now he’s getting ready for 4 more years, thanks to the intolerant left and their war mongering, inflation, soft on crime, lgbtq+ extremist ideology.

[IMJ]

Oh look, the left now wants to change the term "sex offender."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/washington-state-democrats-propose-replacing-term-sex-offender-advance-person-first-approach

Okay so here me out here - and I am coming from this from the perspective of a previous gov employee and someone who has a Masters in Public Administration.... Here is the general idea:

"House Bill 2177 would change the name of the Sex Offender Policy Board to the Sex Offense Policy Board"

Read that there?
If you remove the typical liberal social-implications from it, this is possibly a change that is more well-aligned to fact than to agenda.

This is because the board in question directs policy in related to "Sex Offenses" surpassing policy on "sex offenDERS". Basically policy prescribes action and rule making on habits and behavior wherein people fall under that domain or they don't. Therefore the board is actually the Sex Offense Policy Board moreso than the Sex OffenDER Policy Board.

However, with all of that aside, the proposed change does come off as more liberal bull $#!( when you read their rationale as opposed to continuous-improvement models. So.... ehhh. I don't know. Basically the governance of the board needs to be justified to have a valid transcriptional change. Was the board established for special policy post-sex-offense, or was the board established to align sex offense policy is the real question.

[Andrew NDB]

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[Mayhem]

Trump's father Fred died with dementia. In a recent rally, Trump named Nikki Haley three times in a rant about who was in charge of Capitol security on January 6th, when he presumably meant Nancy Pelosi (also untrue - Pelosi had no authority to deploy the National Guard the way he was claiming). Biden is old, for sure. Trump is only 3-4 years behind him though, and still doing that weird leaning forward with his arms out posture thing that I've seen suggested is down to neurological issues. We never found out why he was whisked away to hospital that one time - my money was on a suspected mini-stroke.

https://news.yahoo.com/fact-check-trump-confused-nikki-140000243.html

[Sumac]

Trump's father Fred died with dementia. In a recent rally, Trump named Nikki Haley three times in a rant about who was in charge of Capitol security on January 6th, when he presumably meant Nancy Pelosi (also untrue - Pelosi had no authority to deploy the National Guard the way he was claiming). Biden is old, for sure. Trump is only 3-4 years behind him though, and still doing that weird leaning forward with his arms out posture thing that I've seen suggested is down to neurological issues. We never found out why he was whisked away to hospital that one time - my money was on a suspected mini-stroke.

https://news.yahoo.com/fact-check-trump-confused-nikki-140000243.html
At this point you are no better, than "alt-right", you hate so much, who constantly claim Biden is barely functioning puppet.

Talking about mirrors and hypocrites.

[TurtleManiac]

Trump's father Fred died with dementia. In a recent rally, Trump named Nikki Haley three times in a rant about who was in charge of Capitol security on January 6th, when he presumably meant Nancy Pelosi (also untrue - Pelosi had no authority to deploy the National Guard the way he was claiming). Biden is old, for sure. Trump is only 3-4 years behind him though, and still doing that weird leaning forward with his arms out posture thing that I've seen suggested is down to neurological issues. We never found out why he was whisked away to hospital that one time - my money was on a suspected mini-stroke.

https://news.yahoo.com/fact-check-trump-confused-nikki-140000243.html

You’re probably not gonna like this, but Donald Trump has won the New Hampshire GOP primary today, dealing a major blow to Nikki Haley’s campaign.

He defeated her mentor Hillary in 2016, what made her think she had a chance? It’s pretty clear America wants Trump back.

[oldmanwinters]

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I really want to know more about how she was supposedly disqualified from competing in segregated beauty pageants… in the 1980s, I’d assume.

That sounds like the biggest 1st-world-white-woman-problem of all time.

[Cowabung-Gal]

It’s pretty clear America wants Trump back.

What’s clear is that half of America will be unhappy no matter who wins this election. The difference is, one side will burn the country down in a fit of rage while the other will do nothing but complain and call for national divorce.

[Andrew NDB]

Biden is completely undefendable on all fronts in any ways that contain logic and not feelings. The only thing that could reelect him is America's annoyance with Trump... from both sides. And independents. Its looking very favorable for Trump in the polls but I'll believe him winning when I see it.

[IMJ]

You’re probably not gonna like this, but Donald Trump has won the New Hampshire GOP primary today, dealing a major blow to Nikki Haley’s campaign.

He defeated her mentor Hillary in 2016, what made her think she had a chance? It’s pretty clear America wants Trump back.

That was clear to anyone with a brain a long time ago who didn't need to grasp at straws to keep their hate and nonsense opinions alive at all costs.

I am already imagining a second term with Trump and these people come crawling out of the woodwork again at the end of it suddenly spouting stuff like "Thank GOD it's over" and "wow we REALLY dodged a bullet there, didn't we?". Meanwhile the last few years with Trump in office will have lead to a prosperous country again. These people are so full of $#!( I can't stand it.

Mayhem's posts remind me of that CNN anchor who was like... softly reporting on the states red or blue votes on election night. Literally patronizing his audience of pansies saying things like "Okay well he won that state, but ITS OKAY ITS OKAY, it's NOT over yet, don't panic!".

[member_removed]

You’re probably not gonna like this, but Donald Trump has won the New Hampshire GOP primary today, dealing a major blow to Nikki Haley’s campaign.

He defeated her mentor Hillary in 2016, what made her think she had a chance? It’s pretty clear America wants Trump back.

Is this true? can you share any sort of link or source of mentoring between the two?

[TurtleManiac]

Is this true? can you share any sort of link or source of mentoring between the two?

Nimarata Randhawa (Nikki Haley) has said repeatedly that Hilary was her inspiration for entering politics.

https://twitter.com/franko_ufo/status/1747683151386665404

Both Soros-backed and pro war. She’s basically Hilary 2.0 and everyone sees it, she’s a rat infiltrating the GOP to try and take votes away from Trump. I’m sure Mike Pence supports her.

Some things she’s lied about for her campaign:

https://twitter.com/LibertyCappy/status/1749895224737034302

[Cowabung-Gal]

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So apparently the greatest threat to America right now is Taylor Swift and her TikTok-programmed worshippers.

[Sumac]

I see - an economy is doing great under the Biden. Better than ever. :lol:

[Warhorse]

Trump's father Fred died with dementia. In a recent rally, Trump named Nikki Haley three times in a rant about who was in charge of Capitol security on January 6th, when he presumably meant Nancy Pelosi (also untrue - Pelosi had no authority to deploy the National Guard the way he was claiming). Biden is old, for sure. Trump is only 3-4 years behind him though, and still doing that weird leaning forward with his arms out posture thing that I've seen suggested is down to neurological issues. We never found out why he was whisked away to hospital that one time - my money was on a suspected mini-stroke.

https://news.yahoo.com/fact-check-trump-confused-nikki-140000243.html

Eh, he knew what he was doing. He's trying to get Pelosi to admit she was in charge of the security for the capital during the "insurrection".

[TurtleManiac]

1EVyGdqtqPg

So apparently the greatest threat to America right now is Taylor Swift and her TikTok-programmed worshippers.

Definitely something weird going on with Taylor Swift. Twitter libs keep saying how she’s “triggering magats” by endorsing Biden. I think it’s more to do with the over exposure and artificially propping her up to promote establishment mainstream political views.

Vivek Ramaswamy is now being labeled a “tinfoil hat” for referencing a conspiracy theory circulating that Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce relationship is a deep state psyop, and that the Superbowl will be rigged for Chiefs so that the “power couple” will endorse Biden, and all the “swifties” will vote for their idol’s preferred candidate.

NBC news has published an article to “debunk” this “conspiracy theory”, so now we know it’s true :lol:

https://www.nbcnews.com/pop-culture/taylor-swift-draws-ire-conservatives-chiefs-win-afc-championship-rcna136185

[IMJ]

Taylor Swift might have her belief systems, but generally speaking being a "democrat" is for young people who don't "think", opting to go for any impulsive argument that clings to impulsive-virtue instead. Most people outgrow it and those who don't we tend to find patterns in their perceptions that are similar to a child's worldviews.

My point? Maybe Taylor Swift leans what has become the "new left". But also, maybe she knows that her fanbase is largely made up of younger girls and she needs to stay relevant now that she is entering mid-life.

The only reason it's "shocking" is because she was initially associated with country music, which tends to lean center or right of center.

[Andrew NDB]

Here's a funny wrinkle in the "Taylor Swift is a democrat" story:

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[TurtleManiac]

Taylor Swift might have her belief systems, but generally speaking being a "democrat" is for young people who don't "think", opting to go for any impulsive argument that clings to impulsive-virtue instead. Most people outgrow it and those who don't we tend to find patterns in their perceptions that are similar to a child's worldviews.

My point? Maybe Taylor Swift leans what has become the "new left". But also, maybe she knows that her fanbase is largely made up of younger girls and she needs to stay relevant now that she is entering mid-life.

The only reason it's "shocking" is because she was initially associated with country music, which tends to lean center or right of center.

She must be getting paid very, very well to promote Joe Biden to all her fans on her platform. I remember shortly before this there was news going around about how Taylor Swift was swindled and lost the rights to her original music recordings, that George Soros now owns her music or something and she’s trying to get the rights back from him. She even mentions Soros here in 2019

https://twitter.com/CatchUpFeed/status/1693464291012432196

So George Soros owns Taylor Swift’s music. Now she’s involved in politics, and news headlines been saying things like “how Taylor Swift may sway 2024 election” etc. Not suspicious at all.

[IMJ]

She must be getting paid very, very well to promote Joe Biden to all her fans on her platform. I remember shortly before this there was news going around about how Taylor Swift was swindled and lost the rights to her original music recordings, that George Soros now owns her music or something and she’s trying to get the rights back from him. She even mentions Soros here in 2019

https://twitter.com/CatchUpFeed/status/1693464291012432196

So George Soros owns Taylor Swift’s music. Now she’s involved in politics, and news headlines been saying things like “how Taylor Swift may sway 2024 election” etc. Not suspicious at all.

I mean... I don't know that I'd go in so far as to call it an "entertainer conspiracy". But I think there is a reality there that she gets marketing information on where here fandom is at, and there are social-directional decisions that are made that are good for the brand and then they go out and embrace it publicly. Most of these people are working their "brand" which is, in this case, "Taylor Swift".

There is always the chance that she has clown-thoughts that are similar to the population who has created clown-world, but nobody in authentic-evaluation could deny that her current public alignment also aligns to what you imagine her core fanbase would be as well.

[neatoman]

You know what's funny? Donald Trump was the oldest man to become president, with his immediate successor taking that title. If he's re-elected, then he'll be older than Biden at his inauguration, the oldest man to be re-elected and (assuming he'll serve a full term) the oldest man to leave office at age 81. Sure seems funny there may be a series of age records regarding the president in a mere 12 year time period.

[Sumac]

It highlights that political climate in US is in heavy crisis.
In god conditions, old farts, like Trump and Biden should not be near presidential position, due to their ages.

[TurtleManiac]

Here we go:

“What happens if a presidential candidate dies or has to leave the race?”

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/02/12/politics/presidential-candidate-race-drop-what-matters/index.html

[TurtleManiac]

The first Trump vs Biden debate set for June 27 on CNN

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/05/15/politics/joe-biden-debate

Keep hearing rumors about how Dems are working on changing laws so that illegals will be able to vote. If that’s the case no wonder the left is for open borders. There was also allegedly alot of fraud in the last election and no one has been held accountable, why wouldn’t they do it again? Scary to think what could happen to the U.S. if Biden somehow gets re-elected. Inflation up, crime up, open borders, illegal alien invasion, on the brink of World War 3, still sending billions of taxpayer dollars to other countries. 4 more years of Bidenism would be disastrous.

[Andrew NDB]

The first Trump vs Biden debate set for June 27 on CNN

Wow, that soon? OK, I'm down. Should be something, all right. :lol:

Keep hearing rumors about how Dems are working on changing laws so that illegals will be able to vote.

Of course. Illegal immigrants and 16 year-olds voting. What could go wrong?

[Zachatello00]

Keep hearing rumors about how Dems are working on changing laws so that illegals will be able to vote...

4 more years of Bidenism would be disastrous.

Pretty much. I'm not sure there will be much of an America left for him to tank if he gets re-elected. I'm not a fan of Donald Trump's antics and rhetoric, but I'll take four more years of mean tweets over four more years of train-wrecking the country.

[Anarchistguy]

Pretty much. I'm not sure there will be much of an America left for him to tank if he gets re-elected. I'm not a fan of Donald Trump's antics and rhetoric, but I'll take four more years of mean tweets over four more years of train-wrecking the country.


Seconded on that one

[Barkworm]

Reducing everything that‘s wrong with Donald Trump to „mean tweets“ is some extra-ordinary trivialization.

[Mayhem]

Well, this is an objective post. Yes I don't like Trump, but here's in my eyes some of the most significant positives and negatives of his four years.

PLUS
Weirdly, he actually ended up increasing funding for Obamacare.
Let many states legalise cannabis for medical use.
Improved health care equipment use.
Aid for farmers.
Operation Warp Speed (albeit see below)
Improving some trade
Some sanctions against Russia

CON
Made the country the most partisan it has ever been on political lines.
Left the position with the second lowest rating ever (behind Dubya).
Manipulating the Supreme Court appointments so Roe vs Wade could be overturned.
Mishandled COVID responses and lockdowns, resultiong in hundred of thousands of unneeded deaths.
The failure of the wall.
Tripled the national debt.
Reduced safety laws and payments for overtime.

And I'm going to put this one outside of the headers, as I'm not sure which it really falls under. Aside from focussing on illegal immigration, Trump also made it harder for legal immigration too.

[Cowabung-Gal]

Warning: Some Language

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:lol:

Sad yet hilarious

[Mayhem]

The sad yet hilarious part is that a similar video for Trump would be 3-4 times longer.

As I said, not a fan of Biden, but he's the lesser evil choice right now.

[BornAgain]

The sad yet hilarious part is that a similar video for Trump would be 3-4 times longer.

As I said, not a fan of Biden, but he's the lesser evil choice right now.

Mm, no. Both can easily have a video made of them saying dumb things but in terms of “gafs” and mental decline, the award goes to Biden. There is no argument as to which of them is sharper at this point. It’s just a question of whose politics and influence you prefer. Both are divisive as hell unfortunately but I don’t actually trust Biden to function properly for four more years, truly.

[Andrew NDB]

It's mostly Jill Biden's fault, who doesn't want to lose the power/legacy. This is quite literally elder abuse, at this point.


PLUS
Weirdly, he actually ended up increasing funding for Obamacare.

Though he got rid of the Obamacare mandate for having insurance penalty. Like almost right away. That was pretty major. I had friends and even parents of friends who were getting big penalties for not having insurance prior to that.

CON
Made the country the most partisan it has ever been on political lines.

I can understand how it might appear at that, but it's not that. Obama's second term is what veered the country into head-on race politics and victimization and a kind of sense of, "From this moment forward, the country has evolved past republican presidents. The progressive movement has worked and we've arrived! Going forward, every president will be a democrat!" to where when that didn't happen in 2016... mass hysteria. That we've never recovered from.

[Mayhem]

May I present a gay atheist woman for Presidential candidate. And you know what the most hilarious bit is? More people would NOT vote for her for being athiest than being gay or a woman :lol::roll:

Mm, no. Both can easily have a video made of them saying dumb things but in terms of “gafs” and mental decline, the award goes to Biden.
Yes, because things such as this make so much sense... cue parrot sheep cheers from the crowd as they have no clue what he's saying either, let alone me...

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[FredWolfLeonardo]

I wish we had younger and less out of touch candidates in this race. Get these out of touch, establishment and warmongering boomers outta here.

[Cowabung-Gal]

May I present a gay atheist woman for Presidential candidate. And you know what the most hilarious bit is? More people would NOT vote for her for being athiest than being gay or a woman :lol::roll:

You forgot black. She has to be black too. :lol:

If her policies are great and she opposes Marxist authoritarianism and DEI stupidity, then who cares?

I would say that the Democrats do care about such token points, but if you fall out of line even just a little bit, then you’re permanently branded an alt-right white supremacist no matter who you bang or what color your skin is. Remember Larry Elder vs Gavin Newsom? You’d think progressives in California, who preach day and night about “equity” and “inclusion”, would pick the black guy over the white guy, but nope.

[Coola Yagami]

I'm seeing a lot of scared people online. I don't get the logic, you guys might know more about this than I do, but for a lot of people they're scared to death of Trump not winning, as in, the world will either end or go to war if he loses. People are worried the draft will return with Biden at the wheel for 4 more years.

And of course, they're also convinced that the Democrats are fighting tooth and nail to do whatever it takes to stop that from happening. (which is true in this case).

[Andrew NDB]

May I present a gay atheist woman for Presidential candidate. And you know what the most hilarious bit is? More people would NOT vote for her for being athiest than being gay or a woman :lol::roll:

I mean, sure? At least some kind of ingrained morals and values vs. you know, possibly none of that? Which is not to say that someone being religious is a guarantee that they've got great morals and values or "live" them. It's just to say that someone who isn't religious, you're trusting that they picked up morals and values all on their own. For a presidential candidate, that's a big leap of faith (ironically).

[Mayhem]

You forgot black. She has to be black too. :lol:

I didn’t say black because you’ve already had a black President ;) was listing other attributes a candidate could have but not been voted in on yet.

I mean, sure? At least some kind of ingrained morals and values vs. you know, possibly none of that? Which is not to say that someone being religious is a guarantee that they've got great morals and values or "live" them. It's just to say that someone who isn't religious, you're trusting that they picked up morals and values all on their own. For a presidential candidate, that's a big leap of faith (ironically).
I find this statement, especially from a lot of religious people, highly derogatory. I gained a lot of my guidance from my parents, good people, so you’re being dismissive of them too here.

The fact that the threat of eternal damnation is the only deterrent to some religious people from being bad is not really a good look to me. I had this discussion with a Catholic friend of mine recently. She’s highly dismissive of “organised religion” and completely agreed with me re above point, and that religious or not, the Ten Commandments in themselves are a good starting point on how to live your life and treat others. There’s also the fact that a lot of “Christian right” today regard Jesus and his teachings as being too liberal, which would be hilarious if it wasn’t so facepalm worthy.

[Andrew NDB]

I find this statement, especially from a lot of religious people, highly derogatory. I gained a lot of my guidance from my parents, good people, so you’re being dismissive of them too here.

Yes yes, and look how well you turned out. :lol::lol::lol:

The fact that the threat of eternal damnation is the only deterrent to some religious people from being bad is not really a good look to me. I had this discussion with a Catholic friend of mine recently. She’s highly dismissive of “organised religion” and completely agreed with me re above point, and that religious or not, the Ten Commandments in themselves are a good starting point on how to live your life and treat others. There’s also the fact that a lot of “Christian right” today regard Jesus and his teachings as being too liberal, which would be hilarious if it wasn’t so facepalm worthy.

I've never been religious beyond the age of like 12. As a teenager I wanted to believe that if all organized religion would just go away, humanity would just naturally grow and develop just fine with naturally flowering morals and values all by themselves (and of course, some do). That maybe humanity needed the crutch of organized religion in the dark ages, but surely we no longer needed it was a crutch today, right? It turns out I was very wrong. It turns out that people are, in fact, prone to religion and that in the absence of once, they just create their own -- and the ones they're creating now are much more horrific than, say, anything you can point to me about Christianity. We've been seeing it happen in real-time in the 2010s and 2020s.

But to your point, is the threat of eternal damnation a deterrent that's coming from a great place? No, I don't think so, but if there's people out there that even 50% believe in their heads that there's a real threat of eternal damnation if they don't live good lives societally... I'm betting on them turning out better and living better lives than the people who, in their heads, have the takeaway that "I can do whatever I want as long as I can get away with it and there will be absolutely no consequences." Statistically and beyond.

[Cowabung-Gal]

I didn’t say black because you’ve already had a black President ;) was listing other attributes a candidate could have but not been voted in on yet.

Obama’s actually biracial so I’m not sure if he counts.

Biden is so far gone that he probably thinks that he’s black. :lol:

[Mayhem]

Yes yes, and look how well you turned out. :lol::lol::lol:

But to your point, is the threat of eternal damnation a deterrent that's coming from a great place? No, I don't think so, but if there's people out there that even 50% believe in their heads that there's a real threat of eternal damnation if they don't live good lives societally... I'm betting on them turning out better and living better lives than the people who, in their heads, have the takeaway that "I can do whatever I want as long as I can get away with it and there will be absolutely no consequences." Statistically and beyond.
I'll dismiss the first response with the disdain it deserves :roll:

As I noted, if the threat of eternal damnation is all that compels you to be good, then that's not a very good way to live your life. Under threat. You should just aim to be good and do good things by virtue of believing that's the better way to be on your own merits. Which is how I view life. I try to help people, be nice, think of others off my own bat because if everyone was, the world would be a better place. Sadly not everyone is, religious or otherwise. And the problem is, there's plenty of religious people also with the "I can do whatever I want as long as I can get away with it and there will be absolutely no consequences" mindset too. Usually the most vocal and bible thumping, because they are deluded in thinking what they are "doing" is "right".

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Interesting direction this thread has taken.

My two cents is, eternal damnation is a fantastic mode of morality. No sugarcoating as an 'unfortunate necessity', bring it on and celebrate it!

In my eyes, people are most motivated by the carrot or the stick and the duality of heaven and hell is the ultimate extension of that.

[Coola Yagami]

Obama’s actually biracial so I’m not sure if he counts.

Biden is so far gone that he probably thinks that he’s black. :lol:

Hey, if you don't vote Biden, you're not black.

[Andrew NDB]

As I noted, if the threat of eternal damnation is all that compels you to be good, then that's not a very good way to live your life. Under threat. You should just aim to be good and do good things by virtue of believing that's the better way to be on your own merits. Which is how I view life. I try to help people, be nice, think of others off my own bat because if everyone was, the world would be a better place. Sadly not everyone is, religious or otherwise. And the problem is, there's plenty of religious people also with the "I can do whatever I want as long as I can get away with it and there will be absolutely no consequences" mindset too. Usually the most vocal and bible thumping, because they are deluded in thinking what they are "doing" is "right".

It boils down to this perspective: "if left to their own devices, people are inherently good and just and will steer themselves with a natural moral compass all on their own and will naturally be compelled to be productive members of society." I think this has been proven to be absolutely false. We saw what happened during COVID and we see what's happening when the chickens have come home to roost with generations of atheists are having atheist kids and how they're actually turning out.