The 2024 presidential election [Archive] - Page 7

Zulithe

11-04-2024, 11:49 AM

It wont be over till they stop nominating the least electable candidates to be elected. I am still registered as a democrat in my state and if I cared about democrats I would be *PISSED* about Harris getting in. Was she even top 5 out of the 8 or 10 people that were trying to nomination?
If you honestly want answers then I implore you to watch this video (https://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showpost.php?p=1999605&postcount=1495) I posted.

It's been said a million ways by a million people but the gist of it is: it's not just about the president and never is, you have to see the big picture on who you are voting for. vote for the kind of america you want us to be because it could not possibly be more stark in comparison. There is no "we'll elect the perfect person who has all the perfect answers to everything, who everyone loves and everyone agrees with on every issue" and to even think such a thing is immature and silly.

Zulithe

11-04-2024, 12:54 PM

Let's have some humor :lol:

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neatoman

11-04-2024, 07:31 PM

South Park killed off their version of Trump decades ago

Didn't stop them from bringing back Bill Gates or the Kardashians.

Andrew NDB

11-04-2024, 10:25 PM

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-touts-endorsements-from-rogan-baseball-legends-son-final-battleground-pitch-golden-age

Huh. Rogan officially endorsed Trump. #1, that's the final nail in Kamala ever coming on, not that it isn't already too late. And, #2, I doubt he would have done that if she had.

Cowabung-Gal

11-04-2024, 10:54 PM

Huh. Rogan officially endorsed Trump.

I’m not shocked, though I doubt it’d make a big difference this late into the election.

Bahamut810

11-04-2024, 11:18 PM

If you honestly want answers then I implore you to watch this video (https://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showpost.php?p=1999605&postcount=1495) I posted.

It's been said a million ways by a million people but the gist of it is: it's not just about the president and never is, you have to see the big picture on who you are voting for. vote for the kind of america you want us to be because it could not possibly be more stark in comparison. There is no "we'll elect the perfect person who has all the perfect answers to everything, who everyone loves and everyone agrees with on every issue" and to even think such a thing is immature and silly.

I watched it and, while I like him about half the time...this is coming from a 'literally hitler' kind of crowd. Vote for Kamala because Trump is just the worst. He wants to sent women back to the 20's! He wants to steal children from their parents (i.e. when criminal immigrants go to jail, they cant take their kids)! He is NAZI!!

Taking what you said, thinking about the big picture...Yeah none of them are perfect. Both have good things they want (I like Kamala's take on healthcare better for instance). So if you want me to look at who would be *better*, especially for me? Its not Kamala. She is a career Politian who supports a party that is actively, openly and proudly racist and sexist towards me (look at their reaction to the Covington kids for instance, or any time white men come up). A group who increasingly support people who rob, steal and kill (democrat run cities proudly being soft on crime and letting people out for that who turn around and commit more crimes) over the Victims of the crime (litigating against people who defend themselves and their property like Kyle Rittenhouse for example) in addition to supporting removing peoples ability to defend themselves (regardless of what she may have said this year, her history shows that she is anti-2a). She has shown that she is willing to hold back evidence for innocent people in court cases. She has also stated that she would support stealing from the American people to fund elective plastic surgery for felons (gender reassignment surgery on taxpayer dime which she very specifically supported). She said she supported stealing from the american public for crimes they never commited to pay black people for crimes they were never victims of (reparations). Why should I trust a candidate who I 100% believe will support all that?

The Big Picture is that she is not good for our country or our freedoms. At least I can trust that Trump will do more of what he did last time he was in office...not much (but a few really important things). During Covid he let the states decide what they wanted to do (as people pointed out he was pretty hands off, which is something I can agree more with considering how wide and diverse our country is as laws in New York arent needed and wouldnt fit in the hills of Appalachia for instance). He at least did *something* about people crossing the border illegally, which actively harms all american's as the more people here, the more contention there is for all low to medium wage jobs and more importantly more competition for housing which causes prices to rise. Heck, he wasn't too bad for the economy either (he hit a record low in unemployment that Biden was able to get back briefly that is now increasing again). Do I think all the successful things he did will keep happening? No, not at all. His greatest success if elected to this office is that he will stave off WW3 longer then Kamala would.

They are both utterly bad...but if I have to choose which will be better between the two of them, Kamala is not the better of the two. It pains me to no end to say that. There were so many other candidates that were better by leaps and bounds that the Democrats could have put up but modern times require a DEI solution (and they decided to go for minority points rather then a more centrist candidate like Tulsi Gabbard who I would vote for IN A SECOND). Yeah, they can hide behind the funding excuse but *no one* could reasonably think that Biden had much longer during his first election so this one was almost guaranteed that she would get it at some point.

Thankfully, I live in a place where my vote does not matter. I live in a blue county in a *very* red state. I was able to get out and vote early and I voted for none of them. I can come with a clean conscience with that considering that, until we start voting for more then 2 parties we will always be stuck with 2 crap candidates so voting 3rd party is the way to go.

Zulithe

11-05-2024, 02:12 AM

I watched it and, while I like him about half the time...this is coming from a 'literally hitler' kind of crowd. Vote for Kamala because Trump is just the worst. He wants to sent women back to the 20's! He wants to steal children from their parents (i.e. when criminal immigrants go to jail, they cant take their kids)! He is NAZI!!
Maybe listen to what people are telling you since you can't see it for yourself. Members of Trump's former administration, political experts, economists, women's rights advocates, the list goes on and on and on.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Kamala_Harris_2024_presidential_campaign_p olitical_endorsements

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Kamala_Harris_2024_presidential_campaign_n on-political_endorsements

Anyone who still needs any form of convincing at this late moment just isn't paying attention. Low-propensity voters as they say. Third party? Jill Stein, yeah that's hilarious. She is the ultimate grifter, comes out of her cave every four years and then never heard from again. You admit yourself you aren't going to vote for either of the two big two so i'm not wasting anymore time trying to convince you. Read project 2025. Read literally anything not coming from Trump's own campaign or Fox News or Elon Musk.

To the rest of you... happy election day, I hope you have your plans if you didn't do early voting.

Barkworm

11-05-2024, 02:13 AM

And pollsters. Yeesh. This is ridiculous. I'm almost 100% convinced these guys are 100% convinced they don't know what they're doing. And by that I mean obviously polls aren't anywhere near 100% accurate... and almost nobody knows anyone who has ever taken one. And the ones I've heard running them talk about them mostly say they're trying to adjust for this and that and the other... so I'm pretty much just left with the pretty educated assumption that all of these guys are just jigging and jagging to not go one way and end up wrong and shotgunning their credibility going forward. So they just keep ejaculating polls where it's 1% this way, or 3% that way, throwing their hands up. And now, I don't think this is coming from a place of deception... I just think this is coming from a place of "If this goes the other way, we want to be trusted when the smoke settles." Because they know they have no idea.

I agree and it makes the polls basically useless this time around because if they tell you out of two candidates one of them is going to win, it‘s not very enlightening. On the other hand, both sides might feel encouraged that their vote is going to matter this time so there is that.

Zulithe

11-05-2024, 02:23 AM

one of my favorite podcasters

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neatoman

11-05-2024, 03:06 AM

Let's have some humor :lol:

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Reminds me of this:
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Barkworm

11-05-2024, 03:50 AM

NATE SILVER PREDICTS A HARRIS WIN! (https://www.natesilver.net/p/a-random-number-generator-determined)

Just kidding. He has no idea.

Mayhem

11-05-2024, 04:14 AM

https://i.imgur.com/0pJxAJy.jpeg

Barkworm

11-05-2024, 08:05 AM

Polls seem to be accurate so far, Dixville Notch is tied. :lol:

Coola Yagami

11-05-2024, 09:10 AM

Let's be completely honest. Kamala is going to win. And it's all down to one thing. Abortion and reproduction rights.

To be honest the Republicans shot themselves in the foot a few years back when they messed with RvW. Should just let that one alone.

First woman president, here we come!

Zulithe

11-05-2024, 09:22 AM

Don't take away people's rights.

But Republicans can't help themselves.

I'm feeling good about the results at the moment.

Coola Yagami

11-05-2024, 09:46 AM

Don't take away people's rights.

But Republicans can't help themselves.

I'm feeling good about the results at the moment.

And to be honest, the deal with MAGA husbands forcing their wives to vote likewise sparked an ad campaign reminding women that voting is private and that is also gonna cause a big stir against Trump.

Honestly Trump is cooked. His first thing campaign promise should have been to reinstate RvW. He would have lost voters, the bible thumpers, but he would have gained way more female voters.

Zulithe

11-05-2024, 09:48 AM

Yeah the whole "vote the way your husband does or its tantamount to adultery" bs sure went over well. Keep it up dummies.

ZariusTwo

11-05-2024, 10:41 AM

First woman president, here we come!

First American woman president, plenty of other countries presently have female leaders

It really isn't a big deal anymore.

Coola Yagami

11-05-2024, 10:42 AM

First American woman president, plenty of other countries presently have female leaders

It really isn't a big deal anymore.

At least for America it is.

Barkworm

11-05-2024, 10:46 AM

Let's get not ahead of ourselves, people. Don't predict stuff based on vibes.

IMJ

11-05-2024, 10:49 AM

Let's get not ahead of ourselves, people. Don't predict stuff based on vibes.

It's just a forum, man. And a ninja turtles one at that. None of this really matters.... :lol::lol:

Barkworm

11-05-2024, 10:53 AM

It's just a forum, man. And a ninja turtles one at that. None of this really matters.... :lol::lol:

Honestly, since this is just one of two forums I even post in anymore and I usually talk about all kinds of stuff, I sometimes forget this was originally about Ninja Turtles. :lol:

Coola Yagami

11-05-2024, 11:10 AM

Let's get not ahead of ourselves, people. Don't predict stuff based on vibes.

Right now, despite policies and the actual issues and whatever else, the common vibe is vote for Kamala or you hate women.

Remember, polls don't vote, people do. And Trump pissed off half the country, the entire female population.

The only women for Trump are either bible thumpers or too old to get pregnant so they see abortion as not their problem.

IMJ

11-05-2024, 11:12 AM

Honestly, since this is just one of two forums I even post in anymore and I usually talk about all kinds of stuff, I sometimes forget this was originally about Ninja Turtles. :lol:

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
I'm not even going to watch the daily coverage. I'll just wake up tomorrow, find out who it is and either commit to my sell-plan or draw out a rebalance plan for my investments lmfao

ZariusTwo

11-05-2024, 11:13 AM

Remember, polls don't vote, people do. And Trump pissed off half the country, the entire female population.

I find it hard to believe the 'entire' female population think mass abortion opportunities is a terrific idea

Coola Yagami

11-05-2024, 11:15 AM

I find it hard to believe the 'entire' female population think abortion is a terrific idea

Like I said the only ones against abortion are too old where it wouldn't affect them anyway. Or the bible brainwashed ones.

FredWolfLeonardo

11-05-2024, 11:17 AM

I find it hard to believe the 'entire' female population think mass abortion opportunities is a terrific idea

Even if that's true, most abortion supporters will die childless so their pro-choice genes won't be passed on.

Coola Yagami

11-05-2024, 11:22 AM

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
I'm not even going to watch the daily coverage. I'll just wake up tomorrow, find out who it is and either commit to my sell-plan or draw out a rebalance plan for my investments lmfao

Lmao. It won't be tomorrow.

Zulithe

11-05-2024, 11:26 AM

Georgia passed a new law that requires them to have 80% of votes counted by the time the polls close. I think other states also ramped up their efforts to get counts done faster. So we might not have to wait days. It's possible we won't have a solid answer until sometime Weds, but who knows, we might even know by late evening tonight depending how things go.

btw Kornacki on MSNBC is the true goat on this kind of thing. Their coverage is the best to watch tonight. I plan to be sleeping through most of the election counting, we'll see how things are looking around 10pm my time though

I'm not counting any chickens yet, but there is something in the air.

Barkworm

11-05-2024, 11:26 AM

Lmao. It won't be tomorrow.
Of course it won't but Trump will call the election tonight, two seconds after the polls are closed.

ranger_scout

11-05-2024, 11:29 AM

Bahamut810

11-05-2024, 11:30 AM

Maybe listen to what people are telling you since you can't see it for yourself. Members of Trump's former administration, political experts, economists, women's rights advocates, the list goes on and on and on.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Kamala_Harris_2024_presidential_campaign_p olitical_endorsements

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Kamala_Harris_2024_presidential_campaign_n on-political_endorsements

Anyone who still needs any form of convincing at this late moment just isn't paying attention. Low-propensity voters as they say. Third party? Jill Stein, yeah that's hilarious. She is the ultimate grifter, comes out of her cave every four years and then never heard from again. You admit yourself you aren't going to vote for either of the two big two so i'm not wasting anymore time trying to convince you. Read project 2025. Read literally anything not coming from Trump's own campaign or Fox News or Elon Musk.

To the rest of you... happy election day, I hope you have your plans if you didn't do early voting.

Get off your high horse. I did pay attention and at the very core of your point you are demanding that I choose whose rights are going to potentially get violated and expecting me to say "Mine, of course!" instead of "Lets not and work towards something else."

Refusing to make the moves to make the change makes you complicit in situations like this were you only have two incredibly crappy options.

Coola Yagami

11-05-2024, 11:35 AM

Of course it won't but Trump will call the election tonight, two seconds after the polls are closed.
Yep. Repeat of 2020. He'll say he won then cry foul when the votes are still being counted.

I'm expecting more of the 'STOP THE COUNT!!!' crazies running around tonight.

Zulithe

11-05-2024, 11:44 AM

Get off your high horse. I did pay attention and at the very core of your point you are demanding that I choose whose rights are going to potentially get violated and expecting me to say "Mine, of course!" instead of "Lets not and work towards something else."

Refusing to make the moves to make the change makes you complicit in situations like this were you only have two incredibly crappy options.
Try to knock me off this horse if you don't like it.

Everything I said is true and everything you just said can be said right back at you. Here you go again with the "both sides are bad in their own way" nonsense that isn't worth engaging with. Don't reply to me further.

ZariusTwo

11-05-2024, 11:50 AM

Calling it a night here. Best of luck to both sides.

Be careful what you wish for.

neatoman

11-05-2024, 11:52 AM

The co-founder of Black Lives Matter and activist Mark Fisher is voting for Trump.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/black-lives-matter-activist-vote-donald-trump-i-definitely-would-not-supporting-kamala-harris

https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/021/464/14608107_1180665285312703_1558693314_n.jpg

Zulithe

11-05-2024, 11:52 AM

I know Don, Leo and Mikey are all Kamala Bros. Raph and Casey are going MAGA. April had to lie to Casey as to who she was voting for but she did the right thing in the polls.

:lol:

I hope none of them vote orange personally. They are new yorkers, they know trump's grift better than most

FredWolfLeonardo

11-05-2024, 11:59 AM

I know Don, Leo and Mikey are all Kamala Bros. Raph and Casey are going MAGA. April had to lie to Casey as to who she was voting for but she did the right thing in the polls.

The technodrome crew going full MAGA too.

"Rocksteady you idiot! You weren't supposed to write down who you want to lose!"

Bahamut810

11-05-2024, 12:02 PM

Try to knock me off this horse if you don't like it.

Everything I said is true and everything you just said can be said right back at you. Here you go again with the "both sides are bad in their own way" nonsense that isn't worth engaging with. Don't reply to me further.

Not in their own way, they are both bad even if they may have some good points.

For someone who wants change, you are all about sticking with the same career politician whose only claim to fame is not being the other guy.

Coola Yagami

11-05-2024, 12:08 PM

The technodrome crew going full MAGA too.

"Rocksteady you idiot! You weren't supposed to write down who you want to lose!"

To be honest they'd be voting for President Shredder. Imagine all the Foot Soldiers filling up the polls.

Shredder isn't racist or homophonic or whatever. He wants to enslave everyone equally. Vote for the Foot.

FredWolfLeonardo

11-05-2024, 12:09 PM

Not in their own way, they are both bad even if they may have some good points.

For someone who wants change, you are all about sticking with the same career politician whose only claim to fame is not being the other guy.

We might disagree on a lot, but I atleast support Trump for more than just "he's not the other guy". I love him for who he is, not who he is not.

All I hear from Democrats is how much they hate Trump, more than their admiration for Kamala. All of their attention is on Trump and I love it.

Coola Yagami

11-05-2024, 12:12 PM

We might disagree on a lot, but I atleast support Trump for more than just "he's not the other guy". I love him for who he is, not who he is not.

All I hear from Democrats is how much they hate Trump, more than their admiration for Kamala. All of their attention is on Trump and I love it.

To be honest they'd only admire Kamala cause she's not Trump and #FirstWomamPresident. Coulda been literally anyone, except maybe Hillary, and that woman would have gotten the same attention.

She's gonna win the same reason Biden did. Not Trump. The Republicans sealed their fate when he was there choice again.

Zulithe

11-05-2024, 12:15 PM

Nigel Farage: Donald Trump should accept result and ‘go play golf’ if Kamala Harris wins

Exclusive interview: Vice-president should pardon Trump ‘to dampen down’ threat of violence if she wins, says British MP (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/politics/2024/11/04/nigel-farage-donald-trump-play-golf-if-kamala-harris-wins/)

Pardon Trump, not a chance. Rapists don't get pardons.

Barkworm

11-05-2024, 12:47 PM

To be honest they'd only admire Kamala cause she's not Trump and #FirstWomamPresident. Coulda been literally anyone, except maybe Hillary and that woman would have gotten the same attention.

She's gonna win the same reason Biden did. Not Trump. The Republicans sealed their fare when he was there choice again.

This seems to be the sentiment in Germany. I read a poll this morning that said that 74 per cent of Germans prefer Harris over Trump but if you talk to people about it, everyone is like "What a BLAND candidate!".

Mayhem

11-05-2024, 12:59 PM

Even if that's true, most abortion supporters will die childless so their pro-choice genes won't be passed on.
I can’t say for the US, but most women I know here are pro-choice AND with children so… good luck wishing for something that ain’t happening. But that might be because they are educated and have an opinion of their own, not just their husbands.

Autbot_Benz

11-05-2024, 04:00 PM

I do feel the Kamala energy in the air.
The people are making their choice be heard.

I know Don, Leo and Mikey are all Kamala Bros. Raph and Casey are going MAGA. April had to lie to Casey as to who she was voting for but she did the right thing in the polls.

Actually Mikey is Maga he was dancing with Vanilla Ice at a trump new years eve Party last year. here's the video

https://x.com/Donald_from_HI/status/1741762962380214661

Prowler

11-05-2024, 04:41 PM

https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/021/464/14608107_1180665285312703_1558693314_n.jpg

I mean, BLM is a lobbyist group whose founders got rich off and has a lot of radical followers. So not really surprising.

:lol:

I hope none of them vote orange personally. They are new yorkers, they know trump's grift better than most

As if the Ninja Turtles would vote or give a **** about human politicians unless they especially targeted them or something.

This seems to be the sentiment in Germany. I read a poll this morning that said that 74 per cent of Germans prefer Harris over Trump but if you talk to people about it, everyone is like "What a BLAND candidate!".

I don't think most Portuguese people really care besides the terminally online far-right and far-left users on social media.

Coola Yagami

11-05-2024, 04:52 PM

The irony is of the Turtles happen to be in the area of any BLM looting, they'd try to stop it, not join it.

CyberCubed

11-05-2024, 05:02 PM

I voted for the black-indian-female. She is 3 minorities so I gave them a bone.

Prowler

11-05-2024, 05:04 PM

The irony is of the Turtles happen to be in the area of any BLM looting, they'd try to stop it, not join it.

And rightfully so, since looting and destroying private property is a crime. And even worse if it belongs to innocent bystanders.

lonewarrior20

11-05-2024, 05:16 PM

If you think about it the original cartoon Hamato Yoshi was an illegal immigrant. Man I hope he loses and tries to flee the country.

IMJ

11-05-2024, 05:21 PM

And rightfully so, since looting and destroying private property is a crime. And even worse if it belongs to innocent bystanders.

We now live in a world where culturally you actually have to tell people what it is you've said there.

Coola Yagami

11-05-2024, 05:30 PM

We now live in a world where culturally you actually have to tell people what it is you've said there.

They legit had a Batman comic around that time where he literally swung by a bunch of looters and rioters and pretty much said 'oh well, its just private property' and went about his day.

Like talk about inserting personal politics. In any other era, you know he would have swung in to try to stop it. But hey, the writer doesn't want to be accused of being 'on the wrong side of history'.

Prowler

11-05-2024, 05:34 PM

If you think about it the original cartoon Hamato Yoshi was an illegal immigrant. Man I hope he loses and tries to flee the country.
Since he just lived in the sewers he didn't get any welfare, social security or pay any taxes... woah. :o

We now live in a world where culturally you actually have to tell people what it is you've said there.

What do you mean? And culturally, huh?

ranger_scout

11-05-2024, 05:57 PM

Chris Wallace has some bad news for Kamala and the Democrats over at CNN after some exit polls were released.

https://x.com/townhallcom/status/1853923129677992388

Autbot_Benz

11-05-2024, 06:08 PM

Trump starting his BS early saying there is heavy law inforcement at Philly and Detroit to scare away minority voters

https://x.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1853936019579527276

AKA its not true

CyberCubed

11-05-2024, 07:49 PM

This is a lot closer than I thought, Trump is doing really well. Man this is giving me flashbacks of Hilary from 2016...and we know how that went...

Coola Yagami

11-05-2024, 08:05 PM

So far VA is blue. Curious about PA.

Autbot_Benz

11-05-2024, 08:25 PM

https://i.imgur.com/T64OKGp.png

Lot of Bomb Threats tonight and they are being linked back to Russia. They are fake had have been called into Georgia, Wisconsin, Arizona, Pennsylvania

Trump's Papa Putin couldn't keep his nose out of our election

Coola Yagami

11-05-2024, 08:29 PM

CyberCubed

11-05-2024, 08:37 PM

Immigrants have got to be sweating right about now. I'm white so I'm "safe," but for the rest of you...I'd be sweating buckets.

Zulithe

11-05-2024, 08:38 PM

CyberCubed

11-05-2024, 08:41 PM

There is still a ton of counting to be done so the waiting part sucks. I will say, though I have been thinking a lot about how everything in American culture was like between 2016 and 2020. A lot of people particularly on online forums like this have complained nonstop about wokeness across all of American culture. You may notice it started going into overdrive during those years. This was a direct response to Trump and if he does get the White House, you will sadly have to endure this going into hyperdrive. Hope you are ready!

The weird thing is a lot of those people are just in it for the "memes" and don't even really believe what they're saying. It's just a joke like any other. But when people take it too far or seriously, then yeah it's moronic.

I don't know how people can genuinely hate another race/gender/sexual orientation in 2024. It's so weird.

Coola Yagami

11-05-2024, 08:52 PM

There is still a ton of counting to be done so the waiting part sucks. I will say, though I have been thinking a lot about how everything in American culture was like between 2016 and 2020. A lot of people particularly on online forums like this have complained nonstop about wokeness across all of American culture. You may notice it started going into overdrive during those years. This was a direct response to Trump and if he does get the White House, you will sadly have to endure this going into hyperdrive. Hope you are ready!

A lot of it started in 2016 because everyone felt the need to virtue signal how much they hated Trump. It infected all sorts of media, suddenly most of the bad guys were either Trump expies or flat out Trump parodies, Spider-Gwen even faced a Trump version of MODOK and so forth. It ruined media because no one could keep modern day politics out of it, even if the setting was fantasy settings, medieval settings, ****ing outer space and other worlds, etc.

If Trump wins, I expect 4 more years of that when it comes to media. Among Project 2025 and all the other things of course.

Andrew NDB

11-05-2024, 08:55 PM

That part is true. Yeah, four more years of everything in the media where every villain in movies, comics, games, etc. will be some kind of a Trump metaphor or stand-in. To show us how angry Hollywood is.

Pathetic.

neatoman

11-05-2024, 09:22 PM

Immigrants have got to be sweating right about now. I'm white so I'm "safe," but for the rest of you...I'd be sweating buckets.

Wait... Are you a white immigrant to the US or do you mean natural born citizen when you say "white"?

CyberCubed

11-05-2024, 09:30 PM

No, all 4 of my grandparents were born in the U.S. as well. I'm American dating back 3 generations to the late 1800's.

neatoman

11-05-2024, 09:40 PM

No, all 4 of my grandparents were born in the U.S. as well. I'm American dating back 3 generations to the late 1800's.

OK then, I just didn't understand what you meant by seemingly calling immigrants and white mutually exclusive groups.

CyberCubed

11-05-2024, 09:44 PM

Kek.

Star Trek predicted World War III around 2026, I guess it's happening, bros.

CyberCubed

11-05-2024, 10:10 PM

Hm, newest updates, yeah...it's pretty much over at this point. I'm going to bed, but I guess this is it. I hope you guys got what you wanted, I guess.

Andrew NDB

11-05-2024, 10:24 PM

I hope you guys got what you wanted, I guess.

Obviously there is still the sinking feeling we could wake up tomorrow and things are completely different. Like last time. So... it's not time to celebrate yet.

FredWolfLeonardo

11-05-2024, 10:26 PM

I'm not celebrating anything yet.

But did anyone honestly think Kamala was going to destroy Trump in a landslide?

Coola Yagami

11-05-2024, 10:42 PM

I'm not celebrating anything yet.

But did anyone honestly think Kamala was going to destroy Trump in a landslide?

If she wins it's gonna be a close one. I'd say if she loses, it'll be due to the wasted votes that went for Jill Stein. For a while there, several people started voting for her as if that would make any kind of difference. They don't get that by voting third party because 'I don't want to vote for Trump', they ended up helping Trump anyway.

joe-eyeball

11-05-2024, 11:16 PM

If she wins it's gonna be a close one. I'd say if she loses, it'll be due to the wasted votes that went for Jill Stein. For a while there, several people started voting for her as if that would make any kind of difference. They don't get that by voting third party because 'I don't want to vote for Trump', they ended up helping Trump anyway.

Dude if you look closely at so many counties in solid blue states you’ll see considerable shifts to the right. The truth is more people are voting red and it’s being seen all over in most states. If Kamala loses its because she was a terrible candidate shoe horned in by a Democrat party that was moving too far and too fast to the left for America.

Stu_Padasso

11-06-2024, 12:16 AM

https://www.tmnttoys.com/91figures/army/army1.jpg

I remember those. If I remember correctly, they came out about the time Desert Storm was happening. I still have the Leonardo figure.

“YMCA!
“Come to the YMCA!”

And Harris isn’t making a statement until the morning? Hillary in 2016 in all over again. I’m drunk too, but I’m not running for president.

Coola Yagami

11-06-2024, 12:20 AM

So far Kamala finally bumped up from 210 to 214. She's been stuck at 210 for several hours. But Trump is up to 247.

Autbot_Benz

11-06-2024, 12:28 AM

So far Kamala finally bumped up from 210 to 214. She's been stuck at 210 for several hours. But Trump is up to 247.

**** Trump won PA and Georgia there is no way in hell Kamala pulls out a win at this point

Coola Yagami

11-06-2024, 12:40 AM

**** Trump won PA and Georgia there is no way in hell Kamala pulls out a win at this point

They might still find some votes overnight?

ResidentEvil7

11-06-2024, 12:51 AM

BREAKING NEWS: Donald Trump elected 47th president of the United States. Thank you Wisconsin for pushing him past 270!!!!!!!!!!

Also hours ago, the Republicans flipped the US Senate.

Barkworm

11-06-2024, 12:53 AM

At least, it‘s going to be a clear result. That‘s the only positive thing about this though.

Coola Yagami

11-06-2024, 12:55 AM

BREAKING NEWS: Donald Trump elected 47th president of the United States. Thank you Wisconsin for pushing him past 270!!!!!!!!!!

Also hours ago, the Republicans flipped the US Senate.

Are you sure? Google is taking forever to update. It still shows Kamala -214 to Trump -248.

Barkworm

11-06-2024, 01:03 AM

Are you sure? Google is taking forever to update. It still shows Kamala -214 to Trump -248.

It hasn‘t been called, yet.

ResidentEvil7

11-06-2024, 01:10 AM

Fox News has Trump at 277 and Harris at 226 with still Nevada, Alaska, Michigan and Arizona left and Trump is in a lead in all of them.

Coola Yagami

11-06-2024, 01:19 AM

Fox News has Trump at 277 and Harris at 226 with still Nevada, Alaska, Michigan and Arizona left and Trump is in a lead in all of them.

Yeah, but that's Fox News. Anything more reputable?

Also, wow. 80 pages? I don't remember the 2020 election thread being this intense, unless it got locked due to arguments and personal attacks.

ZariusTwo

11-06-2024, 01:37 AM

Trump already making his speech declaring victory.

Kamala refusing to speak herself.

IndigoErth

11-06-2024, 01:49 AM

And ever so lacking in tact, of course he's on tv and can't even wait until it's official before claiming to win. Inevitable or not.

The first four of him and the constant drama and bulls*** was exhausting enough. Let the historic asteroid just come...

Mayhem

11-06-2024, 01:50 AM

Coola Yagami

11-06-2024, 01:50 AM

Trump at 267. Kamala going up to 224. I'm halfway not surprised if by some miracle Kamala wins it tomorrow.

Mayhem

11-06-2024, 01:54 AM

Yes, not the last comment as it occurred to me that if Trump is serious about Ukraine, Europe is going to get a lot more interesting, and likewise, it is going to impact Americans even if they don’t realise it, not just us….

IndigoErth

11-06-2024, 01:56 AM

My closing comment, although I’m sure it won’t be, be careful what you wish (or vote) for… the snake oil salesman is ready to spring a lot of surprises in the next four years and a lot of you who voted for him are going to discover he isn’t in this for you…

I mean jeez, the word salad he is delivering right now is merely the start…

Plus, considering he can't run again (or so says current law) he has no need to worry about being reelectable, so he can try to do whatever the hell he wants while keeping himself untouchable.

Coola Yagami

11-06-2024, 02:11 AM

He also declared victory early in 2020, so there's that. Let's see what the morning brings.

Mayhem

11-06-2024, 02:19 AM

Also a cautionary tale if Trump is really serious about “getting the immigrants out” as he states. Together with the proposed tariffs, really really do expect your prices to skyrocket further. No, Trump can’t kill inflation. No, prices in most cases aren’t going to miraculously decrease.

One of the main cattleprods about Brexit was stopping the free movement of people from the EU to here as quote “people were fed up with immigrants taking jobs and getting benefits”. Aside from the fact both were not possible together, you had to be here a year to claim anything, and a lot of peeps from the EU were doing jobs that us here didn’t want to do because of conditions and pay. One of those temporary migrant groups was… picking crops. Less people wanting to pick, wages had to go up, those increases passed to the consumer, and everyone lost out. The argument about whether pickers should have been paid so little to begin with is another strand entirely.

But you can hopefully see where I’m going with this. If millions of undocumenteds are no longer there, what happens to all the crops and such they are no longer present to harvest? You can dead right not expect a lot of Americans to go do it, oh no, we are too proud to be doing thar, it’s beneath me they cry. But you’ll cry in another way instead if prices shoot up because there’s less available…

member_removed

11-06-2024, 02:25 AM

even at 267 he'll take the 3 votes in Alaska.

I'm surprised that he is winning the popular vote too.

The Dems really have no one to blame but themselves. 8 years ago, when Trump was announced as President Elect, they should've all got on the same page and focused on 2020 and picked a young dynamic candidate, "this is our guy". The whole party get behind one candidate who could slice through the primaries.

Instead, we have history as we know it.

ZariusTwo

11-06-2024, 04:54 AM

279. It's done.

FredWolfLeonardo

11-06-2024, 04:54 AM

Hail Trump! Hail MAGA! Hail Victory!

May the Donald's Legacy destroy the Great Satan of Liberal Democracy!

Barkworm

11-06-2024, 05:30 AM

Hail Trump! Hail MAGA! Hail Victory!

May the Donald's Legacy destroy the Great Satan of Liberal Democracy!
Democracy is having a bad time right now but it's not going away. Liberals everywhere should take this election as an example: The right has been accusing you of becoming too radical but that's just nonsense. You've been WAY WAY too nice. It's time to take a lesson from their playbook and fight back.

CyberCubed

11-06-2024, 05:42 AM

All immigrants and even legal immigrants should be scared out of their minds right now. Coola, my heart goes out to you, rough times ahead.

ZariusTwo

11-06-2024, 06:17 AM

You've been WAY WAY too nice. It's time to take a lesson from their playbook and fight back.

They've been 'hitting back' at Trump for four years and they still lost.

ToTheNines

11-06-2024, 06:18 AM

https://s.faketrumptweet.com/m35uelab_1yr2shi_tta6o0.png

Coola Yagami

11-06-2024, 06:26 AM

All immigrants and even legal immigrants should be scared out of their minds right now. Coola, my heart goes out to you, rough times ahead.
Andrew and I will send you a postcard from Tijuana.

Mayhem

11-06-2024, 06:29 AM

Instead, we have history as we know it.
True, the first convicted criminal elected President.

lonewarrior20

11-06-2024, 06:31 AM

I’ll never understand it.

ToTheNines

11-06-2024, 06:54 AM

True, the first convicted criminal elected President.

Convicted.

Plenty of crooks, r*pists, abusers, and even murderers have held the office.

Worry about your parliament though.

IMJ

11-06-2024, 07:43 AM

Convicted.

Plenty of crooks, r*pists, abusers, and even murderers have held the office.

Worry about your parliament though.

:lol:

But on that note, sorry haters but a 277 to 226 vote is a complete rejection by the American people of liberal nonsense. It's as complete a rejection as the of declining and failed woke $#!(. Like I've said for years - all of the societal BS works on a curve and the bottom is falling out for the disease of modern liberalism.

Imagine being the delusional Trump-haters in this thread right now after digging on in unreasonable hate all of these years. :lol:

Mayhem

11-06-2024, 07:54 AM

Convicted.

Plenty of crooks, r*pists, abusers, and even murderers have held the office.

Worry about your parliament though.
Who?

And I do, but it’s less of a fustercluck than here.

Barkworm

11-06-2024, 08:16 AM

:lol:

But on that note, sorry haters but a 277 to 226 vote is a complete rejection by the American people of liberal nonsense. It's as complete a rejection as the of declining and failed woke $#!(. Like I've said for years - all of the societal BS works on a curve and the bottom is falling out for the disease of modern liberalism.

Imagine being the delusional Trump-haters in this thread right now after digging on in unreasonable hate all of these years. :lol:

It is a rejection of liberal ideas, true. But so was the Bush Jr. administration. This is diffferent. This election also means a big part of the American population is embracing the downfall of human decency and values by choosing an immoral felon as their leader. Not that anyone of you gives a flying f*ck. As long as they don‘t rape your own daughter, all you people care about is how transgender people should shut up and how those scummy immigrants get back to where they can quietly starve to death.

The ‘hate‘ for these people was never unreasonable. And it‘s not actual hate. It‘s deep concern for the future of our children who are supposed to live in a world where people like you just see this a the new normal.

Zulithe

11-06-2024, 08:26 AM

I view the results as an indictment on the high inflation which is the issue most voters seem to be caring about the most. Sucks for them, because Trump isn't going to be able to fix that, and things are on track to get worse. But voters love to hold the incumbent administration responsible if their lives are getting harder, which they are.

Any other reason you want to throw out there I think is a far secondary at best IMO.

Numbers are not final yet but Trump got about as many votes as he did in 2020 while Kamala got around 15 million votes less than Biden in 2020... it's a massive reduction in turnout that will hopefully spur a lot of innovation within the dem party because uhh, what happened this cycle sure didn't work.

I continue to view America as an Empire in decline, and this outcome just pushes us further down that slope. In this climate it's important to just take care of yourself and those who matter to you. You can't do a lot else.

Trumpers get your gloating out of your system, not that I'll be reading any of it. :lol:

Coola Yagami

11-06-2024, 09:06 AM

Hmmm so among many other things..... I guess countdown til porn is banned per Project 2025?

Autbot_Benz

11-06-2024, 09:06 AM

Hail Trump! Hail MAGA! Hail Victory!

May the Donald's Legacy destroy the Great Satan of Liberal Democracy!

Seriously dude stop sucking trumps dick.

4 more years of fascism blech

CyberCubed

11-06-2024, 09:11 AM

Hmmm so among many other things..... I guess countdown til porn is banned per Project 2025?

I'd be more worried about mass deportation and "camps" if I were you. They'll start off with Mexicans and Middle easterners/Arabs/Muslims like most expect, then they'll work their way up the "ladder" and all other Hispanics, as well as Asians and Indians will be the target.

Honestly no one is safe. Even legal born citizens who have parents born here as well. When the officers come knocking door to door with summons and arrests, all these Trump voters might be regretting their choice. Weirdly enough many Hispanics voted for Trump too.

Zulithe

11-06-2024, 09:13 AM

https://i.imgur.com/4ntSUn1h.png

fragile ass men. from majority report subreddit. can't deny that it's a factor.

An ever increasing problem in the USA is similar to what we already see happening in south korea, where there is a vast divide between men and women in terms of social and political beliefs. it drives a very thick wedge between the sexes in that country and a lot of resentment, and results in fewer relationships and children. This is more pronounced between younger people. The incel problem in the USA is a similar offshoot kind of problem, and it is going to be continue growing the way things are going.

lonewarrior20

11-06-2024, 09:15 AM

I think their main thought is “Oh, he’s not talking about me.”

Autbot_Benz

11-06-2024, 09:18 AM

Honestly surprised trump/project2025 didnt try to bring segregation back. Also dems stop trying to make a woman president its failed twice.

Zulithe

11-06-2024, 09:35 AM

http://i.imgur.com/G6SRpk1l.png (https://imgur.com/G6SRpk1)

Bernie was on the right track. Too bad the dem party broke his knees when he almost got the nomination. Gotta learn everything the hardest way possible, America.

Coola Yagami

11-06-2024, 09:38 AM

I'd be more worried about mass deportation and "camps" if I were you. They'll start off with Mexicans and Middle easterners/Arabs/Muslims like most expect, then they'll work their way up the "ladder" and all other Hispanics, as well as Asians and Indians will be the target.

Honestly no one is safe. Even legal born citizens who have parents born here as well. When the officers come knocking door to door with summons and arrests, all these Trump voters might be regretting their choice. Weirdly enough many Hispanics voted for Trump too.

We'll see. They talked about camps and death squads in 2016 and that never happened.

Autbot_Benz

11-06-2024, 09:43 AM

Some Maga douchebags lit off firecrackers in our neighborhood last night as I was trying to sleep.

How can anyone celebrate having for more years of this fascist asshole

FredWolfLeonardo

11-06-2024, 09:46 AM

I guess countdown til porn is banned per Project 2025?

Does that bother you a lot?

ZariusTwo

11-06-2024, 09:46 AM

Stocks surging

https://thehill.com/business/4976337-trump-senate-gop-victories-sends-markets-soaring/

Autbot_Benz

11-06-2024, 09:49 AM

People really want a dictator on day one huh.

I will laugh when the minorities who voted for Trump are the first people deported

FredWolfLeonardo

11-06-2024, 09:52 AM

Democracy is having a bad time right now but it's not going away. Liberals everywhere should take this election as an example: The right has been accusing you of becoming too radical but that's just nonsense. You've been WAY WAY too nice. It's time to take a lesson from their playbook and fight back.

I say best of luck genuinely. A strong foe is what the far right needs to keep itself in fighting shape.

I will laugh when the minorities who voted for Trump are the first people deported

I doubt the illegal ones voted for Trump.

Autbot_Benz

11-06-2024, 10:01 AM

Also the Dems need to stop trying to make a female president happen. Its bit them twice in the ass and both times it was against Trump

Coola Yagami

11-06-2024, 10:06 AM

Does that bother you a lot?

Naw but at this point, all one can do is laugh.

I doubt the illegal ones voted for Trump.

That won't matter if they go after American citizens based on their skin color/nationality.

IndigoErth

11-06-2024, 10:38 AM

Are you perpetually 14.

Also the Dems need to stop trying to make a female president happen. Its bit them twice in the ass and both times it was against Trump

Well if criminals like Trump have won over morally and ethically better people, then I guess better people should just give up, too?

Or sane voters who don't want a conman should just stop voting because we've failed twice to keep him out.

IndigoErth

11-06-2024, 10:46 AM

Hmmm so among many other things..... I guess countdown til porn is banned per Project 2025?

If it really is, some are going to regret their choice so fast. Lol Quick people, save all your favorite stuff. (The presently legal kind, mind you.)

Autbot_Benz

11-06-2024, 10:48 AM

If it really is, some are going to regret their choice so fast. Lol Quick people, save all your favorite stuff. (The presently legal kind, mind you.)

I got all my favorite stuff saved (The presently legal kind, mind you.) have for years :lol:

ResidentEvil7

11-06-2024, 11:08 AM

In about an hour, me and my family are going out to celebrate the Trump victory with burgers and beer at the bar.

Coola Yagami

11-06-2024, 11:09 AM

If it really is, some are going to regret their choice so fast. Lol Quick people, save all your favorite stuff. (The presently legal kind, mind you.)

I mean it would completely demolish sex work and end Onlyfans. Any woman with an Onlyfans that voted for Trump is gonna get a rude awakening where now they gotta go out and get a real job.

Andrew NDB

11-06-2024, 11:10 AM

Yeah, so phew. We came pretty close to not "the end of democracy," but certainly doing irreparable harm to the systems of balance going forward. And wow, if we end up with the presidency, the senate, and the house? Yeesh. Talk about cleanup on aisle 3 -- the border, obviously, and education are the big ones. And lots and lots and lots of people are about to get fired.

And yeah, the people who previously said that "Oh no, it's not REALLY half the country that supports Trump or MAGA"/"that pesky electoral college, we NEED to just have a majority vote because Trump would lose!" totally have egg all over their faces. I wonder how they'll recalibrate when they're done crying? Just double down into, "The country is horrible!", then? Or what?

Some Maga douchebags lit off firecrackers in our neighborhood last night as I was trying to sleep.

It was sweet music, around the 11:30 PM (PST) area last night. A couple of the fireworks sounded like guns, too.

Coola Yagami

11-06-2024, 11:13 AM

Yeah, so phew. We came pretty close to not "the end of democracy," but certainly doing irreparable harm to the systems of balance going forward. And wow, if we end up with the presidency, the senate, and the house? Yeesh. Talk about cleanup on aisle 3.

And yeah, the people who previously said that "Oh no, it's not REALLY half the country that supports Trump or MAGA"/"that pesky electoral college, we NEED to just have a majority vote because Trump would lose!" totally have egg all over their faces. I wonder how they'll recalibrate when they're done crying? Just double down into, "The country is horrible!", then? Or what?

It was sweet music, around the 11:30 PM (PST) area last night. A couple of the fireworks sounded like guns, too.

When we get deported, we can swap stories over a few beers at the local Tijuana bar.

Andrew NDB

11-06-2024, 11:15 AM

When we get deported

Very dumb.

Coola Yagami

11-06-2024, 11:20 AM

Very dumb.

I mean you say that now.....

Andrew NDB

11-06-2024, 11:23 AM

I don't think illegal immigrants that've been in the country peacefully for 5+ years are going to be remotely messed with, nor is anything like that being threatened (to say nothing of LEGAL migrants). Illegal immigrants that have committed crimes, however? They're in dangerous territory.

Personally, I'm good with illegal immigrants that've been here for a long time and just keep to themselves and work hard being left alone. And I know tons, they're everywhere. Though even still, I think a certain amount of, "I better be REALLY careful because I am, in fact, here illegally" in the backs of their heads is still pretty healthy. As long as we establish some kind of firm line going forward and maybe with the waves of caravans over the past couple of years, that, "From TODAY, going forward, that's it. Any new illegals are deported/remain in Mexico while your probably B.S. asylum claim is investigated."

CyberCubed

11-06-2024, 11:23 AM

Man all those Mexican women on the subway selling churros and fruit cups on their carts while holding their babies on their back are all going to be the first to go. NY is going to need some new vendors that's for sure.

Coola Yagami

11-06-2024, 11:39 AM

Andrew NDB

11-06-2024, 11:42 AM

You're assuming way too much and thinking they're gonna care about any of that. It's gonna be 'kick Pancho out, oh he's legal? born in LA? guess what, not anymore as of today. OUT'.

Based on what, exactly? Your "feeling"?

Coola Yagami

11-06-2024, 11:45 AM

Based on what, exactly? Your "feeling"?

More like based on 'their' feelings. I didn't create Project 2025.

Andrew NDB

11-06-2024, 11:46 AM

More like based on 'their' feelings.

Who's "they"?

I didn't create Project 2025.

Neither did Trump. And just to play devil's advocate here, but which are the pages and/or passages in Project 2025 talk about deporting legal migrants?

CyberCubed

11-06-2024, 11:46 AM

Didn't Trump vow "the biggest mass deportation in U.S. history" when he becomes president again? It remains to be seen if he pulls it off, but he'll likely try.

Coola Yagami

11-06-2024, 11:46 AM

Who's "they"?

Neither did Trump.

But he's not going to a single thing to stop it. And you know this.

Andrew NDB

11-06-2024, 11:48 AM

Didn't Trump vow "the biggest mass deportation in U.S. history" when he becomes president again? It remains to be seen if he pulls it off, but he'll likely try.

Basically, but really only by default because of the millions that have come in illegally in the past 2-3 years that, well, "gotta go."

Until the present, though, Obama still remains the president that deported the most people, and I don't even think it's close. "Deporter-in-Chief" they used to call him.

Zulithe

11-06-2024, 11:55 AM

Didn't Trump vow "the biggest mass deportation in U.S. history" when he becomes president again? It remains to be seen if he pulls it off, but he'll likely try.
Yes and they already reconfirmed it is happening starting day 1

https://x.com/axios/status/1854167037586595937

"I never thought leopards would eat my face."

A lot of that feeling is gonna be happening for the next few years.

Don't let Trump voters gaslight you into believing he won't do any of the things he directly said he would do.

They are on cloud 9 today but it's alright, cause we get to hold all of them accountable to the horrible **** that is going to unfold.

Andrew NDB

11-06-2024, 12:01 PM

CyberCubed

11-06-2024, 12:03 PM

Has Kamala said anything since it was found out she lost?

Andrew NDB

11-06-2024, 12:07 PM

Has Kamala said anything since it was found out she lost?

Nothing. She was going to speak last night but then told everyone nah, that she's going home and everyone else should go home, too. According to CNN she's expected to speak in about 3 hours, then make "the call" to Trump.

Barkworm

11-06-2024, 12:27 PM

And yeah, the people who previously said that "Oh no, it's not REALLY half the country that supports Trump or MAGA"/"that pesky electoral college, we NEED to just have a majority vote because Trump would lose!" totally have egg all over their faces.
No, that's the only good thing about this. It's a clean win.

I cleaned up the thread a bit. Don't go into petty arguments.

Zulithe

11-06-2024, 12:42 PM

Andrew NDB

11-06-2024, 12:58 PM

Looks like Harris just called Trump to concede.

https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/2024-presidential-election-results-news

During the call, Harris discussed the importance of peaceful transfer of power and serving as a president who represents all Americans, the aide said.

Harris is expected to make public comments later this afternoon during a speech at Howard University in Washington, D.C.

*sigh*, whatever. It'd be nice to hear that call.

Zulithe

11-06-2024, 01:02 PM

Ooo big shocker here

'Put that everywhere': Steve Bannon admits 'Project 2025 is the agenda' after Trump wins

https://x.com/RawStory/status/1854203117979468016

"but they aren't going to do even half of the bad things they said they'd do, don't be so dramatic!"

:lol:

I love living in California where I'm insulated from all of this. Feel bad for others though.

Autbot_Benz

11-06-2024, 01:36 PM

I love living in California where I'm insulated from all of this. Feel bad for others though.

ya California here too but we got Santa Ana Winds and a couple of brush fires today. Think Mother Nature is pissed at the results

Vegita-San

11-06-2024, 01:40 PM

Maybe the biggest net positive thing to come out of this is a pretty total restoration of faith in U.S. presidential elections. I mean, it worked. If any voter fraud was tried, it couldn't have been substantial.

Oh, they tried. supposedly, a few box trucks from california where spotted going to michigan, I think.

But, thankfully, he was so far ahead by then, it didn't matter.
some other poll places supposedly tried somethings as well....but where trumps teams where not on it, people like James Okeefe where. he spotted a voting machine in NJ trying to be stopped from either being delivered, or taken away..can't remember which.

It's going to be a GREAT 4 Years. Communism and stalinizm and marxism has been defeated.... hopefully grocery prices will go down. no more income tax...and cheaper gas.

oh, and can we please get our plastic straws back? thanks

Vegita-San

11-06-2024, 01:42 PM

No, that's the only good thing about this. It's a clean win.

I cleaned up the thread a bit. Don't go into petty arguments.

agreed. it was SO clean, winning literally EVERY race for the republicans, including the popular vote...that the dems where backed into a corner. and after they lost X, they could NOT do what they attempted in 2020.

drawn out for weeks would have been VERY bad for the country.

Andrew NDB

11-06-2024, 01:46 PM

It sounds like Harris didn't perform better than Biden in even 1 state anywhere? So... maybe they really should have just left Biden in there? Yeesh. This is probably the last time they try to swap out a candidate like that. And yeah, now Biden can go around swearing he would have beaten Trump and we'll just never know. That's got to really be eating at the people behind that coup.

A lot of folks are saying Biden and his wife are pretty happy at this outcome. A big deal is being made of Jill wearing red when she voted, but that might be nothing.

ranger_scout

11-06-2024, 05:47 PM

Democrats have no one to blame but themselves for this. They didn't focus on the economy and were out of touch with blue-collar voters, especially in the Midwest, and choosing an extremely liberal, anti-Catholic, progressive woman from California to replace Biden on the ticket wasn't going to work. She did interviews poorly and never clarified her plans for the future of America. Her ideas of eliminating the filibuster and reforming or packing the U.S. Supreme Court did not sit well with moderates. The Democrats should've had a contested convention instead. Her running mate also didn't appeal to those blue-collar Midwest voters either, especially since he is the governor of a state where there was extreme violence, rioting, and crime back in 2020.

Has Kamala said anything since it was found out she lost?

She finally conceded.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/harris-gives-concession-speech-one-day-after-trumps-sweeping-victory

CyberCubed

11-06-2024, 05:53 PM

I mean it's literally the next day, I wouldn't say "finally." That makes it sound like she waited a week or two or a month.

I think Kamala was probably doomed from the start even if it wasn't against Trump but anyone else. Since they waited so long to convince Biden not to run again, Kamala only had what....3 months to campaign? That and she's a woman, as well as both black and indian, honestly probably prevented people from voting for her. Her first name, "Kamala" probably didn't help matters either, it literally is a foreign name you'd expect an immigrant to have.

Then again who knows, maybe she'll run again in the future? She's only in her early 60's so she has another shot if she wants it. I guess the U.S. still is not ready for their first woman president, with both Hilary and Kamala losing to Trump.

Andrew NDB

11-06-2024, 06:06 PM

Then again who knows, maybe she'll run again in the future?

lol, that'd be the best possible gift for the republican party, if she did that and somehow won the democrat nomination next time. My guess is that no, she's going to be stuffed into "politician jail" for the foreseeable future. She'll write a book or two, then that's about it for her.

But no, 2028 stands poised to be a really good election year, all around. We'll be getting a fresh republican candidate no matter what, and hopefully by then the democrat party will have rebuilt itself into something that is more in line with the people. It should be good all around.

Roseangelo

11-06-2024, 06:28 PM

The reaction of the people crying today because Harris lost is a reflection of why Trump won.

Not because they are sad, but because they are flinging insults at the people who voted differently from them.

Hillary's campaign strategy was to call Trump a poo poo head. Plus people hated her.

Biden's campaign strategy was to call Trump a poo poo head, but slightly more civilized. And people mostly liked him.

Harris's campaign strategy was to call Trump a poo poo head. Plus people hated her.

Now today all I see is, "Why are there so many poo poo heads in this country???"

Maybe actually tell the people what you are going to do fix the things that are broken. But that would require admitting that things are broken.

Vegita-San

11-06-2024, 06:32 PM

Even if she runs again she won't win the primary. She can't speak. If she had a longer campaign her weakness in speaking would have only hurt her more.
If Biden hadn't dropped he also would've lost probably to similar numbers. But as of now Trump can't say he beat the man who beat him. He only became president when beating women.

I think I'm four years both candidates will be doing the Rogan podcast. Hilarious, he'll get to ask the next president about aliens and who built the pyramids and ahxeoomsrim true Rogan fashion.

If Trump gets rid of the no reelection rule then it can be Trump v Obama for their third term. Come on FWL, let's go for this one! A slobber knocker

we all know it won't be obama term 3 :)

ToTheNines

11-06-2024, 06:48 PM

Donald is brat

ranger_scout

11-06-2024, 06:57 PM

Even if she runs again she won't win the primary.

When she ran for President in the 2020 election, she dropped out before the Iowa caucus. She never won a single state in that primary. She knew that she was done once Tulsi Gabbard ran down her record as California's attorney general during one of the presidential debates.

CyberCubed

11-06-2024, 07:02 PM

If Trump gets rid of the no reelection rule then it can be Trump v Obama for their third term. Come on FWL, let's go for this one! A slobber knocker

Ironically enough he'll probably try. Granted he'll be 82 pushing 83 in another 4 years. Assuming he's even still alive and doesn't die in the middle of his term, I doubt he'll be of any sane mind to run.

The Trump of today is also a lot different than what we saw in 2016, and obviously because he's a lot older now, he looked more tired and out of energy, is fumbling his words, etc. He's still surprisingly doing well for a 78 year old, but you can tell he's starting to run on fumes.

I don't know, I still think he's going to die in his early 80's. A many of his build doesn't tend to last too far after that.

Mayhem

11-06-2024, 07:06 PM

I swear I saw a comment wondering why Harris gained a lot less votes than Biden four years ago. They’re still counting. There’s still 10-12M votes left to ratify, so expect her numbers to go up by the end. Despite the declare and projections, most states haven’t actually completed 100% of their counting yet. But yes, overall, it does appear turnout is less than four years ago.

As for the deportation etc, well minorities for Trump, get your Second Amendment rights locked and loaded and tool up, grab those AR15s, after all, isn’t that what the arguements have all been about? To protect yourself from the tyranny of a government and to fight back? :roll:

Andrew NDB

11-06-2024, 07:07 PM

Ironically enough he'll probably try.

There is nothing to "try." The office of president isn't set up as such for that even to be an option.

member_removed

11-06-2024, 07:24 PM

Trump also had the house and senate for 2 years in his first run as president and didn't do squat. He's good at marketing himself and business deals, not so much at governing.
I don't think he'll fulfill most of his promises since he just says what gets him attention at the time. He doesn't actually care about most issues.

I agree that he doesn’t care, I honestly think he enjoys campaigning more and the rallies, less responsibility, and more admiration from the crowds. However, he has surrounded himself with people like Stephen Miller who will work and act on those policies.
Trump may not give two ***** about project 2025, but his inner circle does.
Also looks like a 53 seat majority in the senate, I would expect a blue wave in 2026.

I think the most spiteful thing the Dems could do is for Biden to resign and swear in Harris. Then all those “47” hats he has had made in cheap Chinese factories will be terribly out of date.

CyberCubed

11-06-2024, 07:46 PM

hopefully grocery prices will go down. no more income tax...and cheaper gas.

oh, and can we please get our plastic straws back? thanks

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-victory-china-tariffs-taxes-inflation/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab7e&linkId=645094473

If anything groceries and all electronic prices are going up due to foreign tariffs. So you guys played yourselves.

Cowabung-Gal

11-06-2024, 09:27 PM

The new “NOOOOOO” girl

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Andrew NDB

11-06-2024, 09:34 PM

Also looks like a 53 seat majority in the senate, I would expect a blue wave in 2026.

Definitely all eyes will be on the "reds" going into 2025. If they do -- or more importantly don't do -- what they portend to do, now that they've been gifted pretty much everything they've ever asked for. Of course, if they abuse that trust then for sure it'd be a pretty decisive blue wave and in short order... and they will have brought it on themselves. It'd just take one short election cycle and not even 2028 to hamstring, say, the senate or house to which Trump would just be sitting there as a lame duck.

Bahamut810

11-06-2024, 10:11 PM

Andrew NDB

11-06-2024, 10:18 PM

I don't really think this red wave is really a thing to do with Trump. I think this is more of a comment on where the Democratic party is going and the values of their severely 'progressive' supporters and the fears of what they are going to try to litigate.

Absolutely. And that's what I've been saying from the beginning. And Harris and company were poised to eliminate the filibuster and make Puerto Rico and Washington DC into the 51st and 52nd states juuuust so they could have an edge on legislation over the other side, possibly for the foreseeable future into the 2030s and beyond. Pretty evil stuff, for a group claiming to have so much respect for the systems of democracy.

What always gets me about what leftists used to complain about with Trump during the first term was, "Tell me what POLICIES Trump has passed! Name some, right now!!!" And they simply can't understand that it means far more to people all of the things Trump vetoed and/or blocked from the left than any NEW legislature he was trying to bring in. As if to say that the worth of a politician to them is how many new laws and restrictions they've placed over the country.

Zulithe

11-06-2024, 11:57 PM

It's "evil" to make puerto rico a state?

You are so far gone dude. I'm so done with this shithole of a forum that enables people like you to have a voice. Should have banned your wannabe nazi butt ages ago.

Andrew NDB

11-07-2024, 12:05 AM

It's "evil" to make puerto rico a state?

I'd be definitely willing for there to be measured arguments and debate to be held on both sides and if it'd be genuinely beneficial to the United States. But when the leftists are openly ONLY wanting to do that because it gives them one more senate vote to force through their own legislation... yeah, that's evil. That's not democratic. That's Palpatine level politics. Like, screw the people, we want to ram this through at any cost.

You are so far gone dude. I'm so done with this shithole of a forum that enables people like you to have a voice. Should have banned your wannabe nazi butt ages ago.

You're not even here. You're unhinged. You've always been. Though it was touching when you thought Harris was going to win that you'd be, what did you say, "kind" to us? "Nice," was it? When the dust settled? Like all of 2 weeks ago? Now we're all nazis and the like, because you didn't get your way. gtfoh. Pathetic.

FredWolfLeonardo

11-07-2024, 12:30 AM

You are so far gone dude. I'm so done with this shithole of a forum that enables people like you to have a voice. Should have banned your wannabe nazi butt ages ago.

Posts like this are why absolutely love the technodrome forums and keep coming back to entertain myself.

Cowabung-Gal

11-07-2024, 12:51 AM

I'm so done with this shithole of a forum that enables people like you to have a voice. Should have banned your wannabe nazi butt ages ago.

Now be nice, Zulithe. You said so yourself:

You're so mean to me Andrew! It's okay, I'm a nice person believe it or not :lol:

I might even be nicer after Nov 5th, we'll see.

Here’s a suggestion: why don’t you take a breather from politics and focus on other things that make you less stressed? (I know that’s rich coming from me and I need to take my own advice)

Coola Yagami

11-07-2024, 01:19 AM

While some people's views here might be considered controversial or wrong, always remember that it's important to hear things from both sides, even if they are opposing views.

Otherwise you'll end up with a left wing or right wing echo chamber. You have enough places out there if you need an echo chamber safe space hug box. I mean, what's the point of even having a discussion if everyone is expected to just agree with you in full lockstep?

Andrew NDB

11-07-2024, 01:33 AM

Otherwise you'll end up with a left wing or right wing echo chamber. You have enough places out there if you need an echo chamber safe space hug box. I mean, what's the point of even having a discussion if everyone is expected to just agree with you in full lockstep?

Pretty much all of the leftists on my FB list is sending out the call, "If you voted for Trump, let me know and I will DELETE you!" Even some people surprised me that would say that. It's as much sickening as it is surprising, honestly. Like, what? Over half the country said you were wrong. I thought you were about democracy? And I don't want to get into verbiage about "These are babies that need to cry/this and that" but... good grief.

Like I've always said. Myself, I'm not religious. Not even a little bit. But religion has been proven to be needed in everyone. People build these religions even if they don't realize it, out of the absence of one. It seems like certain sorts just do that. It's weird, but I get it and there's precedence. Right now it feels like a lesser version of telling the Japanese in WWII that they backed the wrong horse. To settle down. Though I get that even that seems more than a little insulting, but I'm struggling to find a more apt example. I mean, the people literally voted overwhelming.

But you, Coola, were here for all of this. You were here in 2016. You were here in 2020. And you saw what happened. You saw the blue hair types bleed off because they claimed they were being "harassed" and then ran away. And then the turmoil about, "wtf, the Drome is so toxic!" and there's like a 20 page topic about it somewhere. Yet here we are. To your point, the only people that ran away were people that didn't feel like they either wanted to argue one or didn't have one. Hard leftists don't want debate or discussion. Some do. One is even a moderator here. The others don't contribute or got banned because they decided to "intervene" in super selfish ways.

For me, personally, all I am happy that my 1 year old daughter might have a chance. I know that a lot of Drome posters that do have kids have left, but there it is. And my Colombian mother is super happy. Time to come in the right way. She fought for 10 long years to come here but she did. And now I'm here.

Barkworm

11-07-2024, 02:08 AM

For the record, the presidential discussion thread this year was much more civilized than the ones for the last elections. Hard feelings in the aftermath are inevitable but overall it‘s been okay.

member_removed

11-07-2024, 02:24 AM

I'd be definitely willing for there to be measured arguments and debate to be held on both sides and if it'd be genuinely beneficial to the United States. But when the leftists are openly ONLY wanting to do that because it gives them one more senate vote to force through their own legislation... yeah, that's evil. That's not democratic. That's Palpatine level politics. Like, screw the people, we want to ram this through at any cost.

Evil? That’s a bit harsh. Palpatine level, yes.
It is absolutely manipulating the system for the own benefits. But don’t pretend that the Republicans are above that type of Palpatine level shenanigans.
Take the 2016 death of justice Antonin Scalia. Obama nominated Merrick Garland and Mitch McConnell shot it down “because it’s an election year”. In an unprecedented move. Absolutely manipulating the system for their own benefit.

Four laters when RBG dies, does Mitch hold himself to the same accountability because it’s an election year? Nope. Rush that Barrett confirmation through.

Now I fully expect Thomas and Alito to retire within the next two years while the Republicans control the senate to keep that 6-3 majority for another generation.

Do the Dems want to feather their own nest to make life and govt. easier for themselves and more difficult for the other team. Yes. But both sides do it. Just acknowledge it, but don’t piss on my leg and tell me it’s raining.

member_removed

11-07-2024, 02:30 AM

Anyway, I think they would be more likely to push through DC in statehood first or split CA into North and South.

Puerto Rico has about 7 referendums regarding this issue since 1967. I can't see it happening anytime soon.

Coola Yagami

11-07-2024, 02:51 AM

I just hope things work out. I keep hearing things from all sides with the mass deportation thing. Thing ranging from, it won't effect natural born citizens, to they'll take it as far as to go after people that were born into the country because their parents weren't. They're calling them anchor babies.

But then I'm also hearing doing so would cost billions to pull off, there are simply too many people to deport, it's an empty campaign promise, or he might deport just enough to keep the masses and voters happy. I know a of people voted for the mass deportation he promised... but then again Trump wanted that wall and gained a lot of voters over that, and see how that worked out.

Another truth is the obvious, most companies that 'look the other way' would much rather pay illegals **** wages than now be forced to pay everyone minimum wage. And also the cost of several things will skyrocket because you know there aren't going to be a long line of white folks fighting to apply for landscaping and fruit picking jobs.

Stacy at Starbucks getting her latte with six adjectives in the title isn't going to be breaking a nail working in the fields, ya know. And all of those 'they took our jerbs' types aren't exactly going to jump in and replace the illegals that get deported. They blame illegals for 'taking their jerbs' when they don't see that Pablo the fruit vendor isn't even thinking of getting and office job.

Mayhem

11-07-2024, 04:50 AM

As it turns out, people commenting upon "if you voted for Trump I'm defriending you", yes I've seen that as well in my timeline, but I found from my friends list that it was a couple of rabid Trump supporters who defriended and blocked me because I dared speak out against the Wotsit. So it goes both ways.

And my Colombian mother is super happy. Time to come in the right way. She fought for 10 long years to come here but she did. And now I'm here.
So you're not worried that Trump's rhetoric still puts her in the firing line? Although to be honest, as noted by others, there will be a lot of pissed people who end up realising the illegal deportation will not happen (big business will see to that to stop wages doubling) in the same way the wall never did.

Another truth is the obvious, most companies that 'look the other way' would much rather pay illegals **** wages than now be forced to pay everyone minimum wage. And also the cost of several things will skyrocket because you know there aren't going to be a long line of white folks fighting to apply for landscaping and fruit picking jobs.

Stacy at Starbucks getting her latte with six adjectives in the title isn't going to be breaking a nail working in the fields, ya know. And all of those 'they took our jerbs' types aren't exactly going to jump in and replace the illegals that get deported. They blame illegals for 'taking their jerbs' when they don't see that Pablo the fruit vendor isn't even thinking of getting and office job.
See, I'm gradually warming to ya Coola... exactly the same arguments I've made about how things panned out here post Brexit.

Andrew NDB

11-07-2024, 10:34 AM

So you're not worried that Trump's rhetoric still puts her in the firing line?

lol, no. And that's largely because I'm not a crazy person.

Although to be honest, as noted by others, there will be a lot of pissed people who end up realising the illegal deportation will not happen (big business will see to that to stop wages doubling) in the same way the wall never did.

He better stick to that. A lot of eyes will be on him about the deportation issue out of the gate. And the wall is an easy one, this time.

Another truth is the obvious, most companies that 'look the other way' would much rather pay illegals **** wages than now be forced to pay everyone minimum wage.

Bullsh**. Illegal immigrants are everywhere, in almost every profession. They're not just mowing lawns and weedwhacking, they're in courthouses and restaurants and hotels and you name it making over $30 an hour. They're definitely all over construction! Pretty much every sector outside of things like maybe police officers.

But the argument about "We need illegal immigrants to do the jobs that no one wants to do!" has always been crap. We have whole homeless cities here of millions, many of which military veterans, yet you're telling me we have to import illegal immigrants from Honduras and Venezuela to get crops of berries picked, or so on? Like, if the cost of an apple is $1, but it's only $1 because illegal immigrants picked it at an illegally low wage, but it would ACTUALLY cost $3 if legal workers were paid a legal minimum wage to do it, then fine. I'm more than OK paying the $3. Most people would be, I'd wager.

The whole thing is ridiculous.

See, I'm gradually warming to ya Coola...

When Mayhem says this to you, that's when you know you're in trouble.

Four laters when RBG dies, does Mitch hold himself to the same accountability because it’s an election year? Nope. Rush that Barrett confirmation through.

The left would have done the same without hesitation. No question about it. And that was all on RBG. Even Obama tried to convince her to step down before all of that and she wasn't having it until it was way too late... complete denial of reality.

Coola Yagami

11-07-2024, 11:17 AM

Apparently Hamas is ready to call an end to the war the moment Trump won? Any truth to this one?

FredWolfLeonardo

11-07-2024, 11:35 AM

Apparently Hamas is ready to call an end to the war the moment Trump won? Any truth to this one?

Yes, I read articles on it. And they are in a better position to call for it under Trump than Biden because Trump has called for Israel to finish the war before his term starts.

He can scare both Netanyahu and Hamas into making a deal. And that's a good thing.

If Trump gets rid of the no reelection rule then it can be Trump v Obama for their third term. Come on FWL, let's go for this one! A slobber knocker

That's gonna be a lose lose for the Donald man :tlol: By then, he's gonna be 82 years old and he will have a disastrous debate performance against Obama just like Biden did.

How about 2028 being Melania Trump vs Michelle Obama? :lol:

CyberCubed

11-07-2024, 11:44 AM

FredWolfLeonardo

11-07-2024, 11:48 AM

Trump doesn't care about the wars.

As he rightfully shouldn't. America First.

Ukraine is holding strong.

I'm not a Russia supporter but I think this is wrong. But Trump said he will get it settled before he enters office so lets see how the next few months unfold.

Andrew NDB

11-07-2024, 11:50 AM

Apparently Hamas is ready to call an end to the war the moment Trump won? Any truth to this one?

I'm not sure. I'm fairly plugged into all that but I'm not even sure there's really any qualified generals left alive in Hamas to even do that anymore. Mostly now it's just sifting through everything and taking out any stragglers, or cells that are dug in deeply. Hopefully finding hostages while they're at it, but there isn't any deals to be made anymore so they're all probably dead.

Trump doesn't care about the wars. Israel destroyed 90% of Palestine and are going to take it over.

There really isn't any way around that. Unless you're OK with terrorist organizations (the Palestinian Authority, who literally offers payment for any confirmed dead Jewish bodies, etc. -- nobody like Egypt or anybody else who isn't all "Death to the Jews/America" want anything to do with it, remotely, and if Palestinians were left to their own devices they'd just re-elect Hamas, which isn't tenable, obviously) taking it over... which would just defeat the purpose in the whole war and nullify the lives lost so far. Basically.

Russia will be allowed to continue attacking Ukraine until Putin finally dies. If China or North Korea try something, same deal.

That one, I do have a degree of faith that Trump will end fairly quickly. Maybe not as quickly as he says, but quickly.

Coola Yagami

11-07-2024, 11:54 AM

Trump doesn't care about the wars. Israel destroyed 90% of Palestine and are going to take it over. Russia will be allowed to continue attacking Ukraine until Putin finally dies. If China or North Korea try something, same deal.

I still don't even know how Russia is still going when they've been at war for 2 years now and barely made any ground and lost millions of soldiers. Ukraine is holding strong.

Apparently Russia and China both want to have peaceful relations with the US now. They know Trump is crazy/stupid enough to push the button.

Any fact checks on those? I'm just reporting what I see people saying, but I know a lot of it can be BS.

FredWolfLeonardo

11-07-2024, 11:56 AM

I can't wait for the next Trump and Kim Jong Un meeting. Two Peas in a Pod.

Andrew NDB

11-07-2024, 11:59 AM

Apparently Russia and China both want to have peaceful relations with the US now.

There isn't really any Russia or China formerly NOT wanting peaceful relations with the US.

One thing is probably sure: Trump's election most likely just saved Taiwan from being annexed back into China. That was absolutely about to happen under a new, weak Biden and/or Harris term.

They know Trump is crazy/stupid enough to push the button.

That's more a reason for them not doing anything crazy on their own turf to their own ends, not a reason they'd otherwise not want peaceful relations with the US. Because why wouldn't they? But Ukraine notwithstanding, we've done far more here in the US to piss off Russia than the other way around.

Mayhem

11-07-2024, 12:27 PM

Like, if the cost of an apple is $1, but it's only $1 because illegal immigrants picked it at an illegally low wage, but it would ACTUALLY cost $3 if legal workers were paid a legal minimum wage to do it, then fine. I'm more than OK paying the $3. Most people would be, I'd wager.

No, no they wouldn’t be, hence all the bitching and bitching and bitching about the economy, its repeated mentioning as one of the cornerstones of the election, and how Biden/Harris have allowed inflation to skyrocket grocery prices (ignoring the outside factors such as the Ukraine conflict making it a global problem, and profiteering from companies) and seemingly everything else.

So no, people will see prices going up even further due to paying the pickers a living wage AND potential tariffs on items coming in that America is not competitive on… and they are going to get even more severe sticker shock and start bitching even further. Trump can’t defeat inflation. Prices on the whole are NOT going to come back down in many areas.

Andrew NDB

11-07-2024, 12:53 PM

and how Biden/Harris have allowed inflation to skyrocket grocery prices (ignoring the outside factors such as the Ukraine conflict making it a global problem

And that, in turn, ignores the very likely fact that there wouldn't BE a Ukraine conflict if Trump had still been in office and hadn't facilitated the Biden-style pullout of Afghanistan prior to that on the world stage.

and profiteering from companies) and seemingly everything else.

This is going back to the idea that there is this cabal of executives from Safeway, Ralph's, Kroger and QFC and such, all getting together in dark rooms and smoking cigars conspiring on how to raise the cost of eggs and milk and steaks for everyone, and it being a cabal that only appeared the moment Biden took office. Or the "shrinkflation," right? That the profit/loss line remained flat, but executives -- regardless -- decided to put 30% less chips into bags because they're GREEDY.

Hint: you were lied to.

ranger_scout

11-07-2024, 05:34 PM

Mayhem

11-07-2024, 07:24 PM

And that, in turn, ignores the very likely fact that there wouldn't BE a Ukraine conflict if Trump had still been in office and hadn't facilitated the Biden-style pullout of Afghanistan prior to that on the world stage.
Russia went into Crimea pre Trump. The issue of Russia taking Ukraine land started way before he even thought about running for office.

This is going back to the idea that there is this cabal of executives from Safeway, Ralph's, Kroger and QFC and such, all getting together in dark rooms and smoking cigars conspiring on how to raise the cost of eggs and milk and steaks for everyone, and it being a cabal that only appeared the moment Biden took office. Or the "shrinkflation," right? That the profit/loss line remained flat, but executives -- regardless -- decided to put 30% less chips into bags because they're GREEDY.

Hint: you were lied to.
Who said anything about a cabal? Prices have gone up due to inflation as a matter of course, due to a whole bunch of things costing more to get items into shops. The issue is that some prices have gone up WAY above the rate of inflation, shops taking advantage that people wouldn’t notice in the middle of almost every thing skyrocketing. Also if everything is so tough right now, where are the record profits coming from? Shrinkflation has been happening for decades, at least here, everyone knows it.

The real issue is, there’s generally no route back. Anyone expecting matters to get better now Trump is office will be waiting a long time because it will require wage increases for the disparity to even itself out.

IndigoErth

11-07-2024, 07:36 PM

CyberCubed

11-07-2024, 08:05 PM

I think Biden would have lost either way, even if he was still fine and fit and not going senile. A lot of the people who voted Biden last time didn't like him over the last few years.

IndigoErth

11-07-2024, 09:22 PM

Psh. We got new, super easy machines this year, and video of him coming out of the booth was the same kind I used.

Also have perm early voting for the first time. (Limited locations and long waits, so I waited until Tuesday and was through in just minutes.) He did it early and apparently chose to wait in line with everyone else, pushing some older lady's wheelchair for her, rather than get rushed in and out.

FredWolfLeonardo

11-07-2024, 09:39 PM

We all know Biden voted for Trump :lol:

Between Biden wearing a MAGA hat, his alleged animosity against Harris and how he happy he sounded in his Speech after Trump won makes me want to believe its true :lol:

Andrew NDB

11-07-2024, 09:57 PM

I don't know if this is true or not, maybe it is, but Joe Biden and his team are blaming Nancy Pelosi for Kamala's major defeat against Trump. They said that had Pelosi not convinced Biden to step aside, Biden would've won over the white working-class voters Kamala Harris failed to connect with.

I tend to doubt it but again, we'll never know. And Joe gets to go to the grave now assuming he would have.

Russia went into Crimea pre Trump. The issue of Russia taking Ukraine land started way before he even thought about running for office.

Yes. And of course he was thinking about it. He just wasn't doing it with Trump, and seeing how Biden handled Afghanistan he'd be foolish to not invade Ukraine under anybody else's presidency.

Prices have gone up due to inflation as a matter of course, due to a whole bunch of things costing more to get items into shops.

Due to Biden pumping trillions of dollars of checks for people asked to stay home for two years and then the Inflation Reduction Act that only did the opposite.

The real issue is, there’s generally no route back. Anyone expecting matters to get better now Trump is office will be waiting a long time because it will require wage increases for the disparity to even itself out.

That's not how that works.

Have always liked him... agree or disagree with his stances on things or not, he's a decent, empathetic person (no matter how Trump tries to smear him)

He's probably the least empathic president I've ever seen. It's actually pretty sickening, some of the things you can watch. Like every single time he is invited (or invites himself) to a funeral, there he is always making a moral equivalence with his dead son Beau, who he continually lies about having died in the Iraq War.

I think Biden would have lost either way, even if he was still fine and fit and not going senile. A lot of the people who voted Biden last time didn't like him over the last few years.

Probably right. I just tend to think most people during COVID were pretty freaked out, mail-in voting was brand new in a lot of states, a lot of people were getting irritated either by Trump directly or just irritated about HEARING about him constantly from angry heads at the media... so yeah, Biden and a "return to civility." Things weren't that bad under Obama, right? Here's his VP. And then we all saw how bad they could be for the past 4 years.

IMJ

11-07-2024, 10:05 PM

My wife's entire Hispanic family - all largely from Cuidad Hidalgo and other Mexican cities think it's great and I've heard multiple times from them that the doomsayers are largely "loco assholes". Lol!

Because once again there is a clear line between the evil insanity and the real person who is out living their life.

But hey - Trump haters - between that landslide win which means he has unprecedented national support, and YOUR opinions? Keep telling yourselves that YOUR the rationale ones and it's everyone ELSE who is nuts....

Vegita-San

11-07-2024, 10:24 PM

people like rob paulsen and mark Hamil and christina applegate will never learn.

HOWEVER, in fairness to rob...I haven't seen a single political post from him in at least the last 7 months... either he wised up, saw what it was doing to hamil's rep....or his convention lines got shorter.

Vegita-San

11-07-2024, 10:25 PM

We all know Biden voted for Trump :lol:

his wife did, at least. Biden probably thought he was voting for Elvis.

Barkworm

11-08-2024, 01:45 AM

But hey - Trump haters - between that landslide win which means he has unprecedented national support, and YOUR opinions? Keep telling yourselves that YOUR the rationale ones and it's everyone ELSE who is nuts....
By that half-assed logic you must have been mentally unstable in 2020 yourself? Because the landslide win was for the other side back then? And then mental health in the USA somehow re-calibrated in the past four years and now YOU are sane and the Harris voters are not? Silly.

No, this has nothing to do with who is insane and who is not. This simply means that a majority of Americans embrace the populistic promises of the right, completely disregarding their fascist tendencies because far-right wing populism and propaganda right now are way more effective than anything on the left or in the center. That‘s all there is to it and the left needs to acknowledge it.

Mayhem

11-08-2024, 03:35 AM

Yes. And of course he was thinking about it. He just wasn't doing it with Trump, and seeing how Biden handled Afghanistan he'd be foolish to not invade Ukraine under anybody else's presidency.
You mean an exit plan devised by Trump and carried through by Biden? While you can blame Biden for not altering the strategy, he didn't come up with it.

Due to Biden pumping trillions of dollars of checks for people asked to stay home for two years and then the Inflation Reduction Act that only did the opposite.

That's not how that works.

To counter inflation, you need to put more money in peoples' pockets. You can either do that by paying them more, giving them handouts, or increasing interest rates so those saving "earn" more. Problem is, all three strategies also have their obvious downsides.

My message was though, anyone expecting grocery prices et al to start tumbling down during Trump's second term are in for a surprise...

IndigoErth

11-08-2024, 07:44 AM

Laughable if anyone is naive enough to believe that numbers equals being right, let alone smart. It has always cycled back and forth forever, because it's an imperfect system and "all" things will never be great all at once, so no one will ever be happy with it and it's inevitable that Trump will get his party voted against in the next round. A lot of more rational Repub voters inevitably held their nose because they likewise had no candidate they actually liked, but aren't going to vote blue either way...

Let's not pretend that there isn't a concerning sizeable portion of too far gone Trump supporters who'd drink the funny fruit punch for him if he was vary minimally persuasive enough.

He's probably the least empathic president I've ever seen. It's actually pretty sickening, some of the things you can watch. Like every single time he is invited (or invites himself) to a funeral, there he is always making a moral equivalence with his dead son Beau, who he continually lies about having died in the Iraq War.

I do believe and would agree that he/they really overplayed that hand. It was brought up too frequently in an effort to connect with people, because the human condition and loss is something none of us escape no matter how we vote or what we value.

However, overplaying it does not mean he isn't empathetic or meant well. Though some on this forum have never seemed to actually know how empathy actually works anyhow, since abrasiveness and seeing the worst in everything is most typical.

Granted, not just here, but much of the internet, sad to say. Humor and humility have disappeared. What's "funny" now is only in the sociopathic sense of seeing others hurt or unhappy. Very sickening.

Who says Beau died IN Iraq... literally everyone knows it was cancer. Exposure to burn pits while serving has been believed to be associated with cancer risk, but it's that part that he's associated his son's death with his service.

Thay may never know if it really was that, but I can't fault people expierencing such terrible loss of anyone too soon, esp their child, for finding something to blame other than just terrible luck and life being unfair. Nearly lost him once as a kid, only for life to give him brain cancer... I can understand wanting to find blame, rather than accept that life is that unfair.

ZariusTwo

11-08-2024, 08:35 AM

By that half-assed logic you must have been mentally unstable in 2020 yourself? Because the landslide win was for the other side back then? And then mental health in the USA somehow re-calibrated in the past four years and now YOU are sane and the Harris voters are not? Silly.

The definition of insanity is saying the same things over and over again and expecting a different result.

Guess what you just did:

No, this has nothing to do with who is insane and who is not. This simply means that a majority of Americans embrace the populistic promises of the right, completely disregarding their fascist tendencies because far-right wing populism and propaganda right now are way more effective than anything on the left or in the center. That‘s all there is to it and the left needs to acknowledge it.

Vegita-San

11-08-2024, 09:01 AM

By that half-assed logic you must have been mentally unstable in 2020 yourself? Because the landslide win was for the other side back then? And then mental health in the USA somehow re-calibrated in the past four years and now YOU are sane and the Harris voters are not? Silly.

No, this has nothing to do with who is insane and who is not. This simply means that a majority of Americans embrace the populistic promises of the right, completely disregarding their fascist tendencies because far-right wing populism and propaganda right now are way more effective than anything on the left or in the center. That‘s all there is to it and the left needs to acknowledge it.

at LEAST 20 million votes from 2020 vanished in 2024. AND Box Trucks from California mysteriously started arriving at the 11th hour to michigan and probably other places as well.

we were sane in 2020, too.

Coola Yagami

11-08-2024, 09:08 AM

The definition of insanity is saying the same things over and over again and expecting a different result.

One thing I'm hearing a lot on the interwebs is that a lot of young men were sick of constantly being blamed for all of society's ills, being called incels, racist, homophobes, literal Nazis, a lot of time with blanket terms like 'all white men' and stuff implying that all white men are naturally just born racist and all of that noise, so they decided to speak with their vote.

The general consensus now is that the left is blaming all the men, white, latinos, black, (even though we know a lot of us were rooting for Kamala), and are pretty much not learning their lesson from this election since they are still bashing men, even moreso now. I mean, the left is pretty much calling ALL Latinos illegals now.

All of these guys like Joe Rogan and Andrew Tate and other right-wing grifters took in the guys that felt disenfranchised elsewhere.

Some of this mentality might have cost Kamala the election.

Coola Yagami

11-08-2024, 09:12 AM

at LEAST 20 million votes from 2020 vanished in 2024. AND Box Trucks from California mysteriously started arriving at the 11th hour to michigan and probably other places as well.

we were sane in 2020, too.

I do know box trucks full of ballots arrived around 2-3AM to PA. Since that was one of the bigger swing states as well as my former home, I was keeping track on the news regarding that.

I am honestly surprised PA turned red since the vast majority of people doing mail-in votes would have been lefties. You can't tell me those trucks had ballots for Trump in them.

Also, is the count still going? The numbers went up yesterday (still in Trump's favor though) and both Nevada and Arizona have yet to turn fully red.

ZariusTwo

11-08-2024, 09:37 AM

One thing I'm hearing a lot on the interwebs is that a lot of young men were sick of constantly being blamed for all of society's ills, being called incels, racist, homophobes, literal Nazis, a lot of time with blanket terms like 'all white men' and stuff implying that all white men are naturally just born racist and all of that noise, so they decided to speak with their vote.

And you heard right. The commotion from the 'tolerant' left for so long is world peace can only be achieved if you are inclusive of everyone, but also you should refuse to outright critique or hold to account the consequences of mass inclusion

This isn't a 'sunshine and rainbows' world. Most countries are run by utter chads. The ones that aren't are pretty much being overwhelmed by them from all sides. Tolerance is one thing, but it is nothing without strength, and Biden and Harris were not strong.

The general consensus now is that the left is blaming all the men, white, latinos, black, (even though we know a lot of us were rooting for Kamala), and are pretty much not learning their lesson from this election since they are still bashing men, even moreso now. I mean, the left is pretty much calling ALL Latinos illegals now.

All of these guys like Joe Rogan and Andrew Tate and other right-wing grifters took in the guys that felt disenfranchised elsewhere.

Some of this mentality might have cost Kamala the election.

Yeah, and the recent "X amount of votes are missing" conspiracy on social media right now shows they're not above contesting the results of an election just as the right did in 2020. Will that lead to their own riot in January 20th? From the vibes I'm getting on the usual platforms, some are leaning in that direction.

I still consider myself 'left', I grew up in the Clinton years as a kid, I critiqued Bush and Blair as they opposed Iraq, Farenheight 9/11 is one of my favourite documentaries...but that's the thing, the latter was also a conspiracy movie, the left were indulging in all that unproven s*it before The Obama Deception and anything else made by Alex Jones. It all happened with Michael Moore in the 2000s when the left were the opposition.

Bush was the tyrant back then, Bush was 'worse than Hitler' and Bush did far, far worse in eight years in office than Trump ever achieved in four. Bush and Blair were legitimate war criminals...and they served full terms and, to this day, enjoy life largely off the public and political grid.

The bottom line is all those groups the left say they had their back for, that they would look out for and champion? They had no problem turning that map red. They don't care about a cause, politics isn't about 'causes', it's about the best qualified to run an economically sound country

And look at this, the first female Chief of Staff appointed...by Trump.

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Barkworm

11-08-2024, 11:23 AM

The definition of insanity is saying the same things over and over again and expecting a different result.

Guess what you just did:
I acknowledged that the far right is more efficient mobilizing people?! Your point is what?

Bahamut810

11-08-2024, 11:29 AM

Andrew NDB

11-08-2024, 11:31 AM

I acknowledged that the far right is more efficient mobilizing people?! Your point is what?

Wait, you think Trump is "Far right"? He's probably the most moderate/centrist republican president we've seen in ages. And on every issue.

All of these guys like Joe Rogan and Andrew Tate and other right-wing grifters

Rogan is definitely a leftist but he's a pragmatic one. You can see him coming around to endorsing Trump almost in real-time during the last Musk interview when Musk really lays out the left's plan for illegals.

Autbot_Benz

11-08-2024, 12:03 PM

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Andrew NDB

11-08-2024, 12:49 PM

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ResidentEvil7

11-08-2024, 01:12 PM

For the past few days I have been watching liberal reactions on YouTube and I'm having a great time watching them meltdown like snowflakes on a hot day, crying, screaming, going nuts. It's fun.

Some colleges canceled class Wednesday, and those that stayed open, provided kindergarten things like coloring books, play dough, puppies, "listening circles," group therapy. The schools are raising weak little crybabies instead of adults. This sort of thing happened the first time Trump got elected. Kids who never been told NO before, just can't handle it when things don't go their way.

Whaaaa...Whaaaa....Whaaaa!!!!!:(:tcry:

Me: :D:lol:

Andrew NDB

11-08-2024, 01:39 PM

I'm seeing a bit of scuttlebutt that the reason Kamala went home instead of even saying anything at all to her supporters on election night was because her people never even bothered to write her a concession speech, or really anything other than a victory speech.

As if it was just that totally unthinkable.

Coola Yagami

11-08-2024, 02:19 PM

You can see him coming around to endorsing Trump almost in real-time during the last Musk interview when Musk really lays out the left's plan for illegals.

Which were....???

Cowabung-Gal

11-08-2024, 02:28 PM

Remember this?

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Barkworm

11-08-2024, 02:28 PM

Wait, you think Trump is "Far right"? He's probably the most moderate/centrist republican president we've seen in ages. And on every issue.

You keep throwing around terms like 'moderate' or 'communist' as if you knew what they mean but apparently you don't. Please stop.

Andrew NDB

11-08-2024, 02:30 PM

Which were....???

Just what we've seen them openly do. Flying them in droves to all of the swing states and loading them up with benefits, making them dependent (and grateful to) on the government. Thus guaranteeing a generation or two down the road there will still be elections, but they won't matter because it would just always be a blue wave blowout, every four years.

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You keep throwing around terms like 'moderate' or 'communist' as if you knew what they mean but apparently you don't. Please stop.

And according to you everyone that isn't a leftist is "far right." What does that term even mean in your world?

FredWolfLeonardo

11-08-2024, 02:32 PM

Cowabung-Gal

11-08-2024, 02:48 PM

And according to you everyone that isn't a leftist is "far right." What does that term even mean in your world?

What does the word “woman” even mean anymore?

Suddenly everyone can tell you what a woman is now that their reproductive rights are being “threatened” by the Orange Man.

“We’re not baby-making machines”! I’m sorry, but didn’t you try to label all mothers as “birthing people”? :roll:

And these women who are shaving their heads and declaring to go all 4B due to Trump winning the election…y’all are crazy.

FredWolfLeonardo

11-08-2024, 03:31 PM

Barkworm, I heard that the German coalition collapsed just hours after this election (not saying that one caused the other, but the timing is interesting).

What impact do you think Trump's victory is going to have on Germany?

CyberCubed

11-08-2024, 04:19 PM

Coola Yagami

11-08-2024, 04:23 PM

Andrew NDB

11-08-2024, 04:40 PM

Gas is guaranteed to go way down shortly as well. With the guarantee of Trump coming into office investment will start happening again in preparation for "drill baby, drill!"

IMJ

11-08-2024, 06:42 PM

I checked my brokerage portfolio and all my holdings literally increased a ton in the span of a week. Like I'm only about 1,000 off of hitting a big milestone. I know the election gave it a big boost and it'll probably dip again in the next month, but man, having all that extra money there is really something.

Crazy.

Right, there's that but you know - apparently you'll be in a "camp" by the end of next year after the "purge" of any "victim class" so don't celebrate too hard. :roll:

Crazy.

I'm going to check with my buddies who are still government employees and ask them when they will be mobilizing against the Technodrome forum for the encampments, given the amount of "written evidence" here...... I'll asks them if they'll ignore you though because you have money. :lol:

-edit- there are no real encampments - it's a joke. Posted for the whatever remaining mental security you f'n @$$hat nutjobs here might need.

Gas is guaranteed to go way down shortly as well. With the guarantee of Trump coming into office investment will start happening again in preparation for "drill baby, drill!"

I saw a video of a deranged @$$hole crying into the camera that he'll be killed but then yelling at us that at least we will have our cheap gas. Can't wait to see him again four years from now going on about how we "barely survived". hahahahahah omfg

Andrew NDB

11-08-2024, 06:52 PM

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Autbot_Benz

11-08-2024, 07:29 PM

Captian Brainworms himself RFK JR wants to get rid of junk food IE Doritos Gummy Bears Cheez it's etc

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seesh getting rid of junk food and Porn why do republicans want us to be miserable as they are?:lol:

member_removed

11-08-2024, 08:02 PM

Autbot_Benz

11-08-2024, 08:14 PM

I highly doubt he will get rid of Junk Food. Trump lives on Junk Food and the Junk Food companies like Pepsi Co will just laugh at him since they make so much money off of it.

FredWolfLeonardo

11-08-2024, 09:21 PM

It's funny to think that Kamala could still become president between now and January 20th if Biden steps down for whatever reason.

Don't despair, liberals. You might still get your female black President just yet.

CyberCubed

11-08-2024, 09:26 PM

I mean both Biden and Trump are old. At their age they could literally die any day. I don't even think Trump will make it through the next 4 years alive.

Cowabung-Gal

11-08-2024, 09:31 PM

I don't even think Trump will make it through the next 4 years alive.

I dunno. I think he’s too stubborn to die. But he’s gonna need a long vacation after the end of his second term.

Vegita-San

11-08-2024, 09:46 PM

And according to you everyone that isn't a leftist is "far right." What does that term even mean in your world?

anyone who doesn't agree with radical leftism is 'far right'. so, basically about 98% of society.

including about 56% of California.

Coola Yagami

11-08-2024, 09:57 PM

anyone who doesn't agree with radical leftism is 'far right'. so, basically about 98% of society.

including about 56% of California.

I've seen people say there is no such thing as centrist or moderate, they're just closet right-wingers. So yeah, to them anyone that isn't a leftist is far-right, no exceptions.

Vegita-San

11-08-2024, 11:57 PM

I've seen people say there is no such thing as centrist or moderate, they're just closet right-wingers. So yeah, to them anyone that isn't a leftist is far-right, no exceptions.

I sometimes wonder how former posters are doing these days. cause they had attitudes like that as well.

member_removed

11-09-2024, 12:34 AM

While I don’t agree with your POV or that all Trump voters are “facists”. I think his rhetoric certainly emboldens those that display “troll” like behaviour.

For instant this FBI investigates racist text messages sent to black people across US (bbc.com). https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cwy93dp4zk3o

I would love to see Trump himself and not some campaign manager come out say it, but from the president-elect himself and say, “This is unacceptable behaviour”.

Will this story get any airtime on Fox news or Tucker on Twitter? Wait and see.

ZariusTwo

11-09-2024, 01:34 AM

Coola Yagami

11-09-2024, 04:47 AM

Iran have been plotting to kill Trump according to the press, they hired special ops to monitor him throughout the election and to then kill him if he lost because he'd be an easier target.

Three arrests have been made in connection with the plot.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx28x187rmko

Hmm I saw a video thumbnail describing that but didn't know if it was clickbait since The Quartering is always such a grifter.

Barkworm

11-09-2024, 05:00 AM

And according to you everyone that isn't a leftist is "far right." What does that term even mean in your world?

"My world" is Europe where governments work in coalitions. Look, I'm not interested in lame arguments so I'll just try to explain this, taking Germany as an example. These are the most relevant parties in Germany right now:

We've got the CDU/Christian Democrats: After WWII this has traditionally been the party that most Germans support. As a party founded on supposedly Christian values, they are conservative/centre-right. You probably know Helmut Kohl who was our chancellor for 16 years and is often seen as the epitome of a conservative politician. Under Angela Merkel the party has considerably moved to the center from the center right which seems to be a reason why they have lost lots of their voters in the last 10+ years.

There is the SPD/Social Democrats. They are the oldest German party and consider themselves centrist/centre-left. They are the party of current chancellor Olaf Scholz (lame duck as of last Wednesday). Leftist on some social topics but rather conservative on issues of the economy.

The FDP/Free Democrats: This is the party of what is called 'liberals' in Europe. Liberalism here is defined as economic liberalism which basically means they are against government regulations and in favour of reduced taxes etc. They are centre-right.

The Green Party: Basically what the name says, a party focusing on environment-related topics. Orginally a leftist party which moved to the centre-left as soon as they became parts of state administrations and later the federal goverments.

The Left Party: This is a descendant of Eastern Germany's Socialist party so they are often considered far-left. They have been losing ground in the last few years which is further accelerated by the rise of the next party:

The Sarah Wagenknecht Alliance: Recently founded by a former member of The Left who was also a member of East Germany's Socialist Party, this is a left-wing populist party whose major characteristic so far is their friendliness with Russia. These guys have been on the rise lately and since you've accused me of being far-left, let me tell you, to me these are some of the most aggrevating buffoons in Germany right now.

And finally our own far-right party, the Alternative for Germany: They have been steadily building voter numbers ever since the refugee crisis in 2015 started. They are the party of aggressive rhetorics, ties to Neo-Nazi Groups and plans of mass deportation for immigrants. Even though they got as much as 30 per cent of all votes in recent state wide elections, they have never been part of an administration because other parties refuse to work with them (so far). Unsurprsingly, these guys are pro-Trump.

Of course the political spectrum as far as political parties are concerned is much bigger here than it is in the USA where all the things I've listed are just represented by two parties, making the world look very simple in a black and white way.

So, no, of course I don't think everything right from the far-left is far-right because that's not how the world works. Republicans right now are still far-right, whether you like the term or not. What's your problem with it anyway? Embrace it, it's where you stand.

Barkworm, I heard that the German coalition collapsed just hours after this election (not saying that one caused the other, but the timing is interesting).

What impact do you think Trump's victory is going to have on Germany?
I don't think the things are related, the conflicts in this coaltition had been going on for basically all of their administration. The coalition was super unpopular and tanked our economy so it's good it's over. The uncertainty this causes is not great for world politics in general though. I don't know what impact Trump's victory is going to have but he's extremely unpopular so most politicians - left and right - distance themselves from him.

anyone who doesn't agree with radical leftism is 'far right'. so, basically about 98% of society.

including about 56% of California.
Just in case you are wondering why I never reply to you: You are a WAY too easy target. Enjoy your nonsense.

Prowler

11-09-2024, 05:11 AM

I worry about Ukraine and Europe overall. Anyway. Americans made their choice and that's their problem, so I have nothing to add regarding their elections. Hopefully, Europe will finally realise that it should stop depending on USA so much for defense.

Mayhem

11-09-2024, 05:44 AM

The fact is, as Barkworm describes about Germany, it has a true smorgasbord of political leanings throughout their relevant parties. In the US, the Republicans are far right (under MAGA almost in fascism territory), and the Democrats are right of centre. So to call them liberals seems correct by virtue of liberalism still being right of centre. However to call them left leaning is incorrect (or to call liberals as left wing) because they are not left of centre. They are only “left” by virtue of sitting left of the Republicans, but it is still a right wing party.

There is no such thing as a left of centre party in the US.

Here in the UK, the Liberal Democrats are centre right, current Labour a bit further right, the old Conservatives a bit further right of that (the current Conservatives MUCH further right where the Republicans used to be) and Reform where MAGA Republicans sits. So there’s not really any major left wing party here either.